Was last night's cyber attack on Bernie groups a crime?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

If not, it certainly should be. I'm sure the thugs involved covered their tracks. If caught, I would like to see them dealt with by the harshest measures. This campaign cycle has devolved from multiple crimes to treason.

[sufrommich]

1. What cyber attack? nt

[msanthrope]

6. Somebody's Facebook page went down. nt

[sufrommich]

10. Oh Jesus. Mass hysteria now setting in with

Sanders supporters.

[Demsrule86]

36. These poor Bernie voters

Why they have such a cross to bear...thwarted in New York by an election board that can see into the future and cut only Bernie voters from the rolls, long lines in Colorado...oh wait the GOP did that ...but still a cross. All the passion and the "uge uge" events...but they can't get people to vote for him...and now the infamous facebook attack ...no doubt perpetrated by the same Hillary supporters they sneer at in terms of technology have now morphed into sophisticated technocrats.

[FSogol]

62. Today is going to really tough on them.

[msanthrope]

95. Well, that was awkward....nt

[JoePhilly]

17. LOL!!

[auntpurl]

54. ROFL

[betsuni]

63. LOL

[ViseGrip]

78. No it did not 'go down'. Someone has to do it and it was not the owner of the page.

It's a criminal act. I wish the owners of the pages removed, would file criminal charges in their states. Absolutely.

The more Clinton's crimes are exposed, the more her supporters laugh. It's Stockholm syndrome, plain and simple.

Bernie has never done a damn thing we have to apologize for, or have a court/president excuse. Just like her overspending of 10 million dollars she owed our FEC after her 2008 campaign, that Obama had to forgive. It didn't matter how many emails she sent for us to help her with that debt, no one would help. That is hard when the race is over and you're not the winner. But she was reckless with the money for sure. More hindsight? Of course. But her supporters don't care.

I do.

[bkkyosemite]

79. Many went down "Somebody's"

[GreatGazoo]

20. Coordinated blackhat brigading against Sanders groups on Reddit and FaceBook by HillaryBros

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4ggmpi/bernie_groups_are_gone_from_facebook_urgent/

Bernie Believers
Bernie Sanders is My Hero
Bernie Sanders Discussion Group
Bernie Sanders Activists
Bernie Sanders 2016 - Ideas Welcome
Bernie Sanders for President 2016

http://imgur.com/DGwx3B7

[Hortensis]

35. Shame on you for the smear. This looks like criminal

mischief by some hacker or hacker group that doesn't like Bernie supporters. It was aimed at them, after all.

[grossproffit]

2. Treason?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

14. Yes, I consider voter suppression and other electoral suppression to be treason.

What's the point in having a constitution if you don't defend it? For example, what Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris did in 2000 was a form of treason. Their actions resulted in a de facto coup d'etat.

[Adrahil]

18. Oh for fuck's sake.

Treason.

Let me ask.... do you consider the blatantly undemocratic caucus process that benefited Bernie to be voter suppression?

Jeebus... some folks are losing their goddammed minds.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

27. For fuck's sake, indeed. n/t

[Hortensis]

37. Deep breath, lol. This will eventually come to an end.

[2pooped2pop]

45. it will never come to an end if she wins

she is gonna fuck us all, royally.

[Hortensis]

71. Try for some perspective, 2Pooped.

You really don't want Cruz fucking you instead.

[2pooped2pop]

81. No, I want someone like Bernie working for me

wasn't planning on voting for anyone to fuck me.

[Hortensis]

83. Well, no matter how we vote or not vote

it will be effectively a "vote" for someone. You know, it sounds like you've worked yourself into a hole where you feel you lose no matter what, but you could work yourself back out of it too. The GE isn't until November. Plenty of time to evaluate whatever your remaining choices are coolly and in detail.

[2pooped2pop]

84. no not anymore

I think u misuderstand. I will not vote for Hillary. Ever. Give me someone I can get behind or do it without me.

[Hortensis]

85. Sometimes NOT voting is the most responsible action

one can take. I presume you'll be leaving the presidential race discussion. Maybe see you again in 2018 for the midterms...

[2pooped2pop]

90. primaries still on

But thanks for your concern

[Demsrule86]

41. It is the pearl harbor

of this election.

[Joob]

3. You must be kidding, if it's in favor of Hillary, never a crime

Welcome to the new world, where freedom of speech means shit if it's against Hillary.

[Buzz Clik]

9. If it happens to Bernie it's Hillary's fault and it's a crime. Always.

[jfern]

4. There are harsh laws against child pornography

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. should be laws about children repeating lies, too.

[Beowulf]

43. Good god! Did you just equate child pornography with lying?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

77. How on earth did you mangle my words into that?

You really should see someone if that is the first thought that comes to mind.

[Beowulf]

82. Say something shamelessly outrageous,

get called on it, and then deny you every intended such a thing. Straight out of the Clinton playbook.

[CoffeeCat]

5. And where are all of the good guys in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of super delegates who didn't endorse HRC in 2008, and plenty who I'm sure--find her just as contemptible as the majority of the population does.

They've got to be sitting on the sidelines, watching this entire debacle of an election, just as revolted as we are.

I don't know of any other candidate, besides Hillary, who would have conducted their campaign in this manner. So much chaos and cheating in the primaries and caucuses themselves. Furthermore, the outrageous claims of "racism" and "sexism" and everything in between.

Can you see Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi running for President--charging Bernie with being a sexist and a racist? LOL! Can you see Joe Biden's wife flying into a tirade about "Bernie Bros" after she stands outside a polling location with a bullhorn, illegally campaigning for Joe? Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi hiring David Brock to troll the Internet for her?

I mean...come on!!!

Someday there's going to be a movie made about this election. The behavior from the Clinton camp is so outrageously over the top, it's like a screwball comedy.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. but without the funny bits.

Cuz, there is a chance that she will ruin this country if elected.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

32. Nixonian tactics are part of a pattern with certain candidates. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

42. Damned skippy. Hillary Clinton is the reincarnation of Richard Nixon.

[Demsrule86]

49. I can't see Biden or any real Democrat

I can't see Joe Biden or any Democrat who has lost...refusing to gracefully end their campaign and then fully, robustly endorsing the Democratic candidate. There is way more at stake than old Bernie Sanders...the courts. You can kiss any revolution goodbye for years if the GOP gets in and has five supreme picks.

[Ed Suspicious]

58. Oh. She's reached the pledged delegate threshold?

I didn't realize.

[CoffeeCat]

68. Neither Clinton or Sanders has earned the magic number of pledged delegates yet

Until one of the the Democratic candidates reaches the magic number--2383--we still have a race.

If Hillary Clinton had earned 2383 in pledged delegates, Bernie would have dropped out. Clinton may be ahead, but she is not ahead enough for Bernie to step down. She hasn't crossed that threshold yet.

We're staying in. Sorry if you don't like it. We don't always get what we like, now do we?

[DebDoo]

86. "But at least we're not as bad as the republicans" isn't going to cover this steaming pile any more

[CoffeeCat]

92. I would say that it's WORSE, speaking for myself as a Democrat

It's one thing to watch Republicans act this way. It's even worse to watch this cancer metastasize in your own party!

It's like watching your incredible child grow up to be a psychopath serial killer!

[DebDoo]

93. Definitely way worse!

[LexVegas]

7. ....

[Buzz Clik]

8. euthenasia?

[KittyWampus]

30. I think they were all funded by Sanders campaign and they're conserving money...

No reason to keep up the pretense if it siphons money out of Jeff Weaver's pocket.

[Buzz Clik]

38. They're saving up to pay superdelegates.

[Lazy Daisy]

53. Since when do you pay for a FB page?

I have a page that I can pay to send out mass msg to promote my product, but I don't have to pay for the page itself.

[obamanut2012]

13. .....

[DrDan]

15. treason? are you kidding? you equate facebook page(s) going down to

someone attempting to overthrow the U.S. govt?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

24. It's part of a pattern of ratfucking in this campaign cycle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

Ratfucking was also prominent in the 2008 cycle as well.

I hope there are massive demonstrations at the Democratic convention this year. I'm certainly willing to go to Philly and spit on corporate lobbyists/Super Delegates.

[DrDan]

44. did not see a reference to "treason"

[Admiral Loinpresser]

51. No, that's my view.

Voter suppression and electoral fraud is not taken seriously.

In many countries, such as Mexico and Ukraine, the people rebelled against election theft. Here we just accepted it in 2000. Nixonian tactics should be dealt with harshly. Purely my opinion.

We live in a culture where powerful white elitists are rewarded for their crimes. I believe we should change that and start punishing banksters and the criminal politicians who serve them.

[Demsrule86]

50. Of course you do

Electing a Republican who will have as many as five supreme court picks must be your first priority...because damn it Bernie lost!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

52. Trump or a ratfucker?

Take your pick. Evil vs. evil.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

40. Nixonian tactics is how the 2000 election was stolen.

I have always considered what Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris did was the seizure of the presidency by illegal means.

Seizing control of the executive branch is treason, imo. It is an assault on the Constitution.

[DrDan]

47. ok - but this is a facebook incident - not quite the same thing

let's be real about this

[Admiral Loinpresser]

56. This is part of an eight year patern of ratfucking.

I hope they break down barriers all the way to Leavenworth.

[tammywammy]

16. ...

[hack89]

19. Treason? Really? nt

[Admiral Loinpresser]

22. Yes, I believe subversion of the electoral process is an assault on the Constitution.

For example, I believe what Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush did in 2000 was treason.

[hack89]

66. Treason in America has a very precise and limited definition

it is the only word actually defined in the Constitution. So no - subverting the electoral process is not treason.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

70. I understand the legal distinction.

I believe the statutory framework on things like espionage should be expanded to include things like stealing elections (e.g. 2000). I have felt this way for 16 years. If necessary, I support a constitutional amendment to accomplish this. You are free to disagree.

[GreatGazoo]

21. evidence of the coordination

http://imgur.com/DGwx3B7

[Blue_Adept]

23. further proof that a lot of people just don't get how things work

While there are issues with Bernie supporter groups, at some point folks will want to remove their blinders a bit and realize there was a problem going on impacting a lot more than just those groups - most of which I believe are back online?

A lot of groups and pages had problems yesterday; some sizable pages that I run (50k or so) were offline for a while and not accepting new updates for twelve hours since while Facebook works through issues on the backend.

Shit breaks sometimes. It's not a conspiracy and it just reminds me of the FR side of things when people go on like this.

It feels like everything is a fucking conspiracy with so many Bernie supporters. It's ridiculous.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

25. The Hillary campaign employs Brock and Podesta.

Res ipsa loquitur.

[Blue_Adept]

29. Except, as I just said, there was a far greater impact than just this

An issue hits that impacts a wide range of diverse subjects, groups, and pages, but since it ALSO impacted some Bernie groups, it's a conspiracy.

Think about how ridiculous and loony it makes you look.

[KittyWampus]

39. Clinton doesn't employ Brock anymore than Sanders employs his SuperPacs.

You don't seem to understand how quite a few things work: facebook, politics.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

46. Brocks Super Pac is coordinated with Hillary's campaign.

Brock is a professional ratfucker:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

Hillary is destroying the Party. But by all means, keep going.

[FlatBaroque]

26. Cutting off communications among an advocacy group

the night before a set of primaries? It is OK if it is on Her behalf. If it was done TO her then there would be accusations of domestic terrorism.

[JaneyVee]

28. Tin foil hats too tight.

[JoePhilly]

48. Or its past its expiration date.

[artyteacher]

31. im a hillary supporter but report jerks...

Are jerks. There should be, at the very least, a suspension of their ability to report anything.

[PeaceNikki]

33. lol- EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!1!!!1!!!! !!

[stonecutter357]

34. Treason? umadBRO!

[hellofromreddit]

55. It is not a crime

It's childish behavior, but not against any law.

[Kip Humphrey]

57. Not a crime, just malicious lying as Fortress Hillary once again exposes their true character

to the electorate. Fortress Hillary: Keep doing this!

[Trust Buster]

59. Another example of how Sanders supporters are radical, paranoid reactionaries. Get real.

[FSogol]

60. ALCOA!

[betsuni]

61. ...

[Agnosticsherbet]

64. No, no it wasn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511836413

[FSogol]

65. Here's what the Sanders campaign in California said about it:

[SidDithers]

67. Best. Thread. Ever. ...

AS another wise DUer recently said:

what does it say about a demographic that considers it treason when their social media has a hiccup

Sid

[Tarc]

72. MOM I CAN'T FACEBOOK TONIGHT!! THE ESTABLISHMENT IS DISENFRANCHISING ME!!!!

When the reality was actually a database error;

[Maru Kitteh]

87. Oh MY GOD. The pain, THE PAIN

Laughing . . too. . .hard. . . . . ow, ow, ow.

[FSogol]

94. Mom: Go clean your room....

[silvershadow]

73. Under the War on Terror, I believe so. nt

[Nye Bevan]

74. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg for TREASON and SEDITION.

I smell the oligarchs at work here.

[jcgoldie]

75. Holy Smokes

If the Sanders crowd spent as much time calling voters as they do dreaming up BS scandals to derail the election then it would probably be a lot closer.

[Lil Missy]

76. It's a conspiracy. n/t

[GusBob]

80. Millenials. Blowing things out of proportion since Y2K

[randome]

88. Onward to the future! LOL!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[nemo137]

89. Be fair, my generation was in their mid-teens during the Y2K "panic"

That was Boomers and Xers blowing that out of proportion.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

91. Yeah, that whole stolen election thing in 2000 was so overblown. n/t

[kgnu_fan]

96. I think so. They become more explicit.