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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:00 PM

 

Could Obama win the DNC Primary today if he was going against Sanders or Warren?

Could Obama win the DNC Primary today if he was going against Sanders or Warren?

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It's a tough question about a popular president and the times.



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Reply Could Obama win the DNC Primary today if he was going against Sanders or Warren? (Original post)
Unicorn Apr 2016 OP
-none Apr 2016 #1
savalez Apr 2016 #2
haikugal Apr 2016 #3
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #4
StevieM Apr 2016 #5
procon Apr 2016 #6
LexVegas Apr 2016 #7
Unicorn Apr 2016 #9
Dem2 Apr 2016 #8
aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #10
Unicorn Apr 2016 #11
aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #13
Unicorn Apr 2016 #14
aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #16
Unicorn Apr 2016 #20
Unicorn Apr 2016 #21
Unicorn Apr 2016 #23
aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #29
Gwhittey Apr 2016 #31
aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #33
StevieM Apr 2016 #43
Scootaloo Apr 2016 #47
skylucy Apr 2016 #49
DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #12
aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #15
Tommy2Tone Apr 2016 #42
treestar Apr 2016 #17
Unicorn Apr 2016 #19
treestar Apr 2016 #25
Unicorn Apr 2016 #28
Gwhittey Apr 2016 #32
LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #41
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #18
FSogol Apr 2016 #22
Unicorn Apr 2016 #24
FSogol Apr 2016 #26
Unicorn Apr 2016 #50
BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #27
mythology Apr 2016 #30
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #34
quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #35
emulatorloo Apr 2016 #36
Number23 Apr 2016 #55
Aristus Apr 2016 #37
Skid Rogue Apr 2016 #38
pnwmom Apr 2016 #39
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #40
TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #44
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #45
BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #46
brooklynite Apr 2016 #48
Drunken Irishman Apr 2016 #51
BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #52
lovemydog Apr 2016 #53
Number23 Apr 2016 #56
lovemydog Apr 2016 #57
lovemydog Apr 2016 #58
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #54

Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:01 PM

1. The first time, or the second time?

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:03 PM

2. FAIL

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:04 PM

3. Which Obama?

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:08 PM

4. An impressive herd of DUers had turned on Obama on election night.

 

So, a poll conducted here is meaningless.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:12 PM

5. I think it would be very hard to defeat a sitting president in a primary.

Not impossible, but difficult. Especially if there isn't an economic crisis going on.

I think Warren would do much better against Obama than Sanders would, just like she would have done much better against Clinton than Sanders is doing.

Of course, it is a whole different question if we are talking about a hypothetical in which Barack Obama is not the sitting president. In that case, I think Warren would be very formidable.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:33 PM

6. What's Warren running for?

BTAIM, this poll is meaningless. This ain't 2008, and the Obama of 2016 isn't the same person he on was on his inauguration day. Realistically, today's political and social environment is totally different than it was 8 years ago, so nothing that was in effect then would ever fit into the current conditions.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:36 PM

7. There it is. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:37 PM

9. There what is?

 

I think in today's political climate, he would be in the same situation as Hillary- the progressives refusing to vote for her.

Only he wouldn't have that added Kissinger problem. And, I've never believed Obama is a warhawk. He didn't start any new wars. However his record would make him just as non-viable as Hillary is with hers - if he were in the primaries today and an option that is far more progressive presents itself to run against him. The progressives would choose the progressive.

The moderates would go for the establishment and all that it represents.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:37 PM

8. Trashed childish fail poll

geez, my kids are more clever than this.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:44 PM

10. Hmm... Let's look at the facts.

Obama has won 2 democratic primaries (2008, 2012)

Obama has won the Presidency of the United States twice (2008, 2012)

He is 1 of just 4 Presidents in the history of the country to win back to back Presidential races with more than 51% of the vote both times. ( No, not even Jesus himself, Ronald Reagan accomplished this.) The last president to do this was Dwight Eisenhower and before that FDR. That's the historical company Obama keeps.

The candidate running for HIS THIRD TERM is currently more than 200 pledged delegates and 2 million popular votes ahead in the 2016 democratic primary. No candidate Democrat or Republican has amassed more votes (10 million) than the candidate running for HIS THIRD TERM.

So umm.... Yea, he would win again. And it would not be close in either the primary or general election.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:46 PM

11. He wasn't running against someone more progressive than him.

 

He was running against someone less. He was the most progressive option and I think we all voted for him twice because he was the most progressive option.

That is why he won both times.

If a more progressive option than him shows up, we'll vote for it - the progressives, at least.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:08 PM

13. The facts don't quite back that up.

In 2008 Denise Kucinich ran and his candidacy went nowhere.

In 2012 Bernie Sanders could have challenged the President but he didn't. Instead he ran around the country looking for someone from the left to challenge him. There were no takers because, like Sanders, they knew Obama was to strong.

The GOP thought the same thing. This is why the 2012 GOP presidential field was among the weakest in history. The perceived stronger GOP candidates (like Jeb Bush) wanted to wait for 2016, because Obama wouldn't be on the ballot.

Finally, as mentioned earlier the candidate currently running as "Obama's third term" is soundly defeating a very strong progressive challenger. She will become the presumptive nominee tonight.

Clearly, if Clinton can beat the Warren/Sanders wing of the party, then Obama would beat them too... Only by a much greater margin.

Historically, Obama is one of the strongest Presidential candidates in history.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:11 PM

14. Hillary isn't defeating anyone. The opposite side noticed the voter suppression

 

and will leave over it. Hillary will have half a party.

She is the divider, not the uniter. Good luck with that. It can't win the GE.

She might win the primary battle but she lost the war doing it.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:16 PM

16. It looks like you just changed the topic.

In message board terms that's a sign that this issue has now been answered and settled.


To the OP, the answer is YES, Obama would win and he would do so rather handily.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:21 PM

20. What? I haven't changed ANY topic

 

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:22 PM

21. You are now LYING and saying the topic is changed? It has not changed!

 

It's the original topic I posted from the beginning.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:27 PM

23. You are very dishonest. I have changed nothing.

 

You go on ignore for flat out lying.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:48 PM

29. Ok.

If you wish to ignore someone because they have information which strongly disproves your viewpoint, you are free to do so.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:08 PM

31. Well you did word a post poorly

 

You said "It looks like you just changed the topic." And that read like he edit the topic and made it look like he was being dishonest. So I can see where he would ignore you as it obviously was not true. He ignored you because it looked like you said he edited the topic not because you supposedly you "have information which strongly disproves your viewpoint"

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:41 PM

33. Fair point. In retrospect, I think you are correct.


It was poorly worded. I would honestly apologize. And restate the position in a more clear matter. But the poster ran off in such a fit instead of calmly stating the misunderstanding, that at this point I'm not sure what I can do.


Thanks for pointing this out. Sometimes it takes a "third party entry" for everyone to see the light.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:49 PM

43. I don't agree that Warren and Sanders can be neatly packaged into the same wing of the party.

Certainly there is some overlap. But I think Warren falls right in between Sanders and Clinton.

I agree that Obama would win a third term if he was allowed to run. That is pretty impressive, given that voters are usually pretty exhausted with a president after eight years in office.

Had Reagan been allowed to run again in 1988, and Gary Hart not been damaged by the Donna Rice scandal, I think it would have been neck and neck between the two.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:18 PM

47. You knowyou don't get to make things up and proclaim them fact, right?

 

In 2012 Bernie Sanders could have challenged the President but he didn't. Instead he ran around the country looking for someone from the left to challenge him. There were no takers because, like Sanders, they knew Obama was to strong.


I'm amazed how answering a caller to the Thom Hartman show's question about a primary has mutated into "RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTRY."

Finally, as mentioned earlier the candidate currently running as "Obama's third term" is soundly defeating a very strong progressive challenger. She will become the presumptive nominee tonight.


The candidate whose anti-black racism and fearmongering forced obama to quit his church?> The candidate who ran ads trying to link him to terrorism and claims that he was a "secret Muslims"? The candidate whose mailing list spawned birtherism? The candidate who astroturfed the PUMA movement to threaten her way into a cabinet position? The Secretary of State who actively worked to sabotage her former opponent's foreign policy? Who once out of the position attacked him and current SOS Kerry over their diplomatic efforts? Who has alternatingly used Obama as a scapegoat and a shield in her current campaign?

If you think clinton is going to be Obama's "third term" I can only guess that you've spent all afternoon in a garage huffing fix-a-flat out of old tires. She's going to be Hillary clinton's first term at best.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:35 PM

49. Thank you for the excellent reality check. And thank for speaking for all of us Dems who love and

respect President Obama. He deserves to be memorialized on Mount Rushmore for all that he has accomplished and for showing such class and dignity during these almost eight years of bigoted, right wing smear tactics.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:50 PM

12. He would put them in clown suits if they were insane enough to run against him.

He has a 87% job approval rating among Democrats:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval_among_democrats-1046.html

Oh, he would put Hillary in a clown suit too.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:13 PM

15. +1.

History is going to treat the Obama presidency very, very well.

The only politician left in the country (from either party) that would beat Hillary, is constitutionally prevented from doing so.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:46 PM

42. Facts are wasted on unicorns n/t

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:17 PM

17. When did he pardon banksters?

Who did he pardon? Did the standards for a pardon apply? Just because you hate "banksters" does not mean the bill of rights does not apply to them.

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Response to treestar (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:18 PM

19. He refused to send them to prison. Effectively it was a pardon by his administration to only

 

give their corporations fines and hold not one human accountable. I'm talking about mortgage fraud and other illegal practices that Obama's justice department fined corporations billions for.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:30 PM

25. He can only enforce the law as it is

and the prosecutors have to have proof. That is different from you just declaring them guilty.

And pardons are only for people who have been convicted. You don't need one if you were never charged and convicted.

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Response to treestar (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:33 PM

28. The justice department could have held the people who broke the law but chose not to.

 

Hellooooo? I see someone doesn't bother reading the liberal press on the issues.

I think that's the ultimate divider because the Bernie and Hillary supporters. One never watched an episode of Democracynow in their life and the other watches it daily. How else do we explain the Hillary supporter defense of the TPP, warhawkishness, etc.

Now we get you who think the banksters that were fined billions for breaking the law must not have broken the law so couldn't be sent to prison.

Got it.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:10 PM

32. If it is not on MSNBC they don't see it.

 

Having access to internet does not make one non low information as we can see from many on DU who have no clue about many issues that our suppose liberal elected officials do.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:43 PM

41. Amy Goodman is going to vote for Hillary.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:18 PM

18. Obama would win the nomination and a 3rd term ...

... in landslides.

With continued gnashing of teeth from the GOP, and the lefts perpetually disgruntled.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:26 PM

22. Fail. It's a RW smear about a Democratic president and the times.



Maybe you can show specifically which banker was guilty of which crime. Just one will do.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:29 PM

24. No, it's not a smear at all and the Hillary rw smear argument has been used wrongly so many times

 

I doubt it would hold up when a real rw smear comes along.

It's asking if Obama could win in todays political climate against a more progressive candidate.

READ.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:32 PM

26. I did read. You're attempting to use Obama to smear HRC. I reject your RW scribblings and laugh.

Some folks are so transparent.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:07 PM

50. The people who did this

 

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:32 PM

27. The answer is yes, with his eyes closed

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:51 PM

30. First off your choices are stupid

 

But given that Obama had the same coalition as Clinton does, plus the youth vote, at worst I suspect he would be at least least as far ahead as Clinton is if not even further ahead.

Obama was able to drive primary turnout in a way Sanders hasn't.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:10 PM

34. This is a pretty biased poll!

But in answer to your question, I am honestly torn whether I would vote for Bernie or Obama if Obama could run again.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:18 PM

35. As an African American i proudly say: NO.

 

Warren and Sanders are the real deals. These two will always have my vote.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:30 PM

36. Obama would mop the floor with either of them. P.S. Your Strawman Obama = FAIL

It is right up there with Clint Eastwood's Empty Chair Obama. Lame and stupid.

Warren and Sanders are great but neither of them can explain things as clearly as Obama.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:51 AM

55. + a fucking million. "Obama would mop the floor with either of them"

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:34 PM

37. ...

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:36 PM

38. Blindfolded, and with one hand tied behind his back.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:37 PM

39. If Bernie or Elizabeth were President, their most fervent supporters would turn on them

within six months, the second they had to do anything to compromise with the other side.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:37 PM

40. Obama hatred alive and well. Too bad he is a better president than almost all previous other than

maybe 3.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM

44. Your question is would he win but your poll seems more oriented to would an

individual vote for him.

I think he'd win pretty handily but I'd vote Sanders or Warren.

Obama is a much better campaigner than Clinton, is flat more likable for a larger portion of people, and even after two terms he is and seems significantly younger than the competition.
A 4th term without a strong left pivot in the 3rd would probably be more dicey (though he'd still muddle through and then face a murky general) but I think he'd easily get through a primary and win the general too if eligible for a third.

There probably wouldn't even be a primary but if so he'd win decisively but not with my help, I wrote in on my primary ballot in 2012 as is and nothing has happened that has made me any happier with my concerns from that time.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM

45. he might not be able to eke out a victory on DU, but he would in the primary, 87% of democrats

 

approve of him.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval_among_democrats-1046.html

this site is an anomaly and not representative of the democratic party overall

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:02 PM

46. Because the only options you have

are basically in the "When did you stop beating your wife?" category, I'll just say this:

YES. HE. COULD. PERIOD.

But this hypothetical question is altogether moot and you know it:

a) The XXIInd Amendment limits Prez O to two terms, both of which he won handily among ALL comers.
b) Elizabeth Warren is not a candidate at all in 2016 and likely will not be before 2024, if then.
c) Hillary Clinton is already beating Bernie Sanders by large margins in the popular vote, pledged delegates, and SDs. She will consolidate those leads tonight.

Not even unicorns or pixie dust will change tonight's outcome, I'm afraid.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:22 PM

48. Depending, will Sanders or Warren be running AGAINST Obama's record?

Haven't seen it so far.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:11 AM

51. So wait, Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary but he'd beat Obama, who's even more popular than Bernie?

Uh, okay.

The DU logic is so mind-numbing at times.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:17 AM

52. Of course he would. Hillary has the same supporters as Obama. I do wonder if

Bernie's supporters would have been more likely to support Obama though. The pathetic percentage of white males who support Hillary points to obvious sexism at play. Obama would have done much better in that demo.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:12 PM

53. Here's my poll:

When have right wing trolls taken over this site?

__ Now, with Unicorn's post

OR

__ A little bit later, when jurors vote to keep this bullshit up at DU?

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:52 AM

56. I don't know what's better. This moronic poll or the 27 people that voted "no"

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Response to Number23 (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:21 AM

57. We'll continue laughing

to keep from crying at the goddamn idiocy of it all.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:54 AM

58. Another poll:

Knowing (as we do now) that more than 400 million people senselessly died under his watch, would you now vote for President Obama? Proof: http://bfy.tw/5X1D

____ Yes I love mass murder! That's why I would vote for President Obama.

____ No I would not vote for genocide.

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Response to Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:51 PM

54. If there hadn't been the same kind of Hillary hate out there pushed by talk radio

 

he wouldn't have won in 2008.

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