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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:50 PM

Here's my opinion regarding Bernie's campaign.

As a Bernie supporter in New Mexico, I want him to stay in the race until the end because I think every voter should have their say, even if it's symbolic. I would be opposed to Bernie contesting the convention because we need to be unified by then. After tonight I think he should basically not mention Clinton and just stick to his positive economic message and throw in some jabs against Republicans while he's at it.

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Reply Here's my opinion regarding Bernie's campaign. (Original post)
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 OP
seabeyond Apr 2016 #1
hertopos Apr 2016 #2
djean111 Apr 2016 #5
djean111 Apr 2016 #3
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #9
TheFarseer Apr 2016 #4
Armstead Apr 2016 #6
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #8
djean111 Apr 2016 #10
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #13
djean111 Apr 2016 #16
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #19
djean111 Apr 2016 #20
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #22
djean111 Apr 2016 #25
Armstead Apr 2016 #12
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #15
djean111 Apr 2016 #17
Armstead Apr 2016 #23
Old Codger Apr 2016 #7
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #11
Old Codger Apr 2016 #14
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #18
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #21
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #28
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #30
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #37
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #24
djean111 Apr 2016 #26
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #29
djean111 Apr 2016 #31
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #34
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #33
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #35
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #36
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #27
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #32
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #38
lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #39
Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #40

Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:52 PM

1. I could be totally on board with that, and gain respect for the man. Nt

 

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:56 PM

2. As a Hillary supporter, I totally respect that.


I love Dem moving to the left and I also appreciate Sanders for raising a lot of important questions.
I also believe Clinton will be the best person to get things done against Republicans.

Hertopos

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Response to hertopos (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:01 PM

5. Hillary, IMO, would get Third Way and war-mongering things done WITH Republicans.

 

After all, she is for war and fracking and the TPP and means-testing Social Security, amiright? What could be more Republican than that?

Oh, and Hillary has not only NOT moved to the left, but she will keep on moving to the right. You can take that to the bank.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:58 PM

3. That is an interesting opinion - I was under the impression that you are actually a Hillary

 

supporter.

We are not going to be "unified". And Bernie is in it until the convention.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:05 PM

9. I do defend Hillary alot on this site.

I like Clinton, but I agree with Bernie on far more issues.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:00 PM

4. I agree

If he wanted to go nuclear, he should have done it long ago. It's too late now.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:02 PM

6. Not personally attack...But he should not succumb to

 

phony "unity" and allowing Clinton and the Dem Establishments to gloss over those pesky little issues

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Response to Armstead (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:04 PM

8. I do want Hillary

to concede a few issues and add them to her platform. That would be a good step towards party unity.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:08 PM

10. We all know she would be lying. She was pretty up front with her "fuck you" to liberals.

 

There won't be any party unity - if by party unity you believe that Bernie's supporters will learn to love a Third Way warmonger and support her.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:10 PM

13. I don't expect anyone to love anyone.

But I am a big believer in voting for the lesser evil, if you will, in order to keep Cruz or Trump from ever stepping foot in the White House.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:14 PM

16. That's nice.

 

It is not a matter of "loving" someone. It is a matter of not validating a candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and bloody interventions - you know, things that are quite Republican in nature.

And the young, newly aware voters? They are not going to see any reason to vote for either evil - they know they are fucked, no matter what. Your beliefs are not relevant.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:18 PM

19. They may not vote for Clinton.

Of course that's their choice. I think Bernie's revolution will continue, regardless of who wins the presidency. I think he has helped change the discussion forever in the Dem party. And millennials will be key to making sure true progressivism isn't swept back under the rug.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:21 PM

20. No, sorry, I believe the "Democratic Party" is going to ruthlessly throw out any liberals.

 

I will just leave peacefully.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:24 PM

22. We'll see but I hope that's not true.

Hopefully they realize that if they continue to drift right, then a third more liberal party could very well emerge.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:27 PM

25. Um, no "we" involved.

 

And I don't waste my time with "hopefully" bullshit. The Third Way has taken over the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has turned hard right, I won't hang around. I have seen too much bullshit from Debbie DINO, down here in Florida, to fall for the "wait and see" crapola.
That's enough, methinks! 'bye!

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:09 PM

12. I think there should continue to be a hell raising opposition

 

Having through too many cycles, I don't think we should not allow them to keep dismissing people who are not center right as the "fringe far left" and continue to push us in the wrong direction.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:14 PM

15. I understand, I really do.

I think Sanders candidacy is historic and will change the party forever to more economically progressive platform.I believe his revolution will continue, no matter who's president, as long as Bernie supporters don't lose heart after the primaries. I just think it's critical to keep the right-wing crazies out of the White House.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:16 PM

17. We won't lose heart. We just will not all be supporting Hillary.

 

But hey, cheer up - HRC says she doesn't need our votes anyway, so it is all good! We don't have to overcome our gag reflexes, and she does not have to pretend she moved a millimeter to the left!

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:25 PM

23. I agree about the RW crazies...

 

But we cannot be allowed to fall into a collective coma yet again

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:04 PM

7. Not gonna happen

 

There is way too much animosity out there, there are a large portion of Bernie supporters that will never vote for hill and the idea of unifying behind her is way too distasteful for many of them they will vote down ticket and either leave the top blank or write Bernie in.. the democratic party as we knew it is not going to survive this primary..

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:09 PM

11. I truly hope that's not the case.

I believe a Republican presidency would be disastrous, especially given how radically right-wing crazy this latest bunch is. I do hope Clinton adds some of Bernie's economic ideas to her platform. That would go a long way in getting many Bernie supporters on board I think. Of course everyone is free to vote how they choose in the end, but for my part I'll be voting Democratic in the GE.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:13 PM

14. She may

 

Talk a good deal but she is not trustworthy, if she said the sun was out at noon I would have to look... if she is the nominee, and they dump trump like I believe they are planning to any really decent moderate R will wipe the floor with her..She is way closer to repug ideals than dem

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:17 PM

18. Climate change means politics as we know it will be irrevocably changed

 

Bernie needs to keep hammering home his message.

Clearly Hillary and her supporters don't give a shit about it.

They're truly prepared to send our planet over the cliff to nominate Madame President.

Well then they own every last single horrific disaster coming up.

Can you live with yourself and vote for "incrementalism" on dealing with climate change and her enthusiastic support for massively polluting industries like fracking?

I am devastated for my children that we've decided to fuck them over.

Its on your head then if you too decide to vote that way.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:22 PM

21. I wanted Bernie.

And I will vote for him in NM when our primary arrives. But I continue to believe that a Republican presidency would be worse on every single issue than a Clinton presidency. One example is the ACA. I know it's nowhere near as good as it should be and I'm in favor of single payer. But if a Republican gets in and guts the ACA, I could literally die. I have cystic fibrosis and if it wasn't for expanded medicaid and the pre-existing condition clause, I would be in a world of trouble. Selfish? Maybe. But that's how I feel. I do respect your opinion though.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:31 PM

28. Nothing else will be as important as climate change

 

I'm deeply sorry for your health woes. I have severe asthma and a recent heart attack so I understand health concerns.

Don't forget it was corporatist Dems who scuttled a public option. That's camp Hillary.

I can look beyond the length of my nose and say that Bernie’s plans for health care are FAR superior.

While also endorsing a politician willing to lay it on the international line for climate change.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:36 PM

30. His health plan is much better, no argument there.

I'll admit that I haven't given climate change as much thought as I should and I need to change that because it is such a huge issue for this world.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:42 PM

37. Yeah, well with Hillary’s win, we're fucked

 

You seriously advocating setting aside your conscience because SCOTUS?

SCOTUS means shit in 5 years. Who will have the. luxury to fucking debate Hillary’s UN Ambassador? 1% ers. Not you and I.

We'll be trying to figure out where to emigrate when the Western aquifer is poisoned by Oklahoma's fracking.

I have 2 daughters.

Tonight's result dooms them.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:25 PM

24. Bernie supporter, huh?

 

Why does your profile say "Favorite Group - Hillary Clinton Group"?

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:28 PM

26. Oh, ya know, that is supposed to soften us up, the"Bernie, BUT" bullshit.

 

It is kinda funny, it is so formulaic.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:33 PM

29. I posted in the exactly two times.

It was to congratulate Clinton supporters on a couple of early primary wins. I've never hidden the fact that I like Clinton. I just agree with Bernie on far more issues. The reason why I'm voting Dem in the GE no matter what is because I have cystic fibrosis and can't afford to have the Republicans gut the ACA. Without the pre-existing conditions clause and expanded medicaid, I'd likely be dead.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:37 PM

31. You think Hillary is going to make the ACA any better?

 

Bwhahahahaha!

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Response to djean111 (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:39 PM

34. No, I don't.

But I don't think she'll repeal it like a Republican would. I've said many times that the ACA isn't that great and is largely a boon for the insurance companies. But, I believe, it's better than what we had prior.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:38 PM

33. Yep. They're pretty obvious.

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:40 PM

35. Do you question whether I am a paid Hillbot?

If you look at my membership history (been a member for over 10 years) and my posts from the last few months, it is pretty obvious that I am a genuine Bernie supporter. But I agree 100% with this OP.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:42 PM

36. Me too.

I only have 100 some posts now, but I used to go by a different username until I changed locations and couldn't remember my username or password lol. But I've been a good progressive for years and resent people insinuating that I'm some type of troll (not you of course )

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:30 PM

27. Because I posted in there twice

to congratulate them on a few wins early on in the primary season. Otherwise I stay out of groups.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:38 PM

32. I feel the same way

You pretty much summed up my feelings perfectly. I am glad I am not the only Bernie supporter who feels this way. I have been afraid to express these opinions for fear of being labeled a sellout or accused of giving up too early. As much as I wanted him to be the nominee, I think we all need to acknowledge how unlikely that is at this point.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:45 PM

38. I'm glad someone agrees with me.

Polls show some 75% of Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton in the GE. And Bernie has said the same. I would love for him to be the nominee but I just don't see how it could happen. If it somehow does, then I'll be ecstatic to be voting for him!

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:45 PM

39. The party needs, and will get, a realignment.

 

The Sanders candidacy was the catalyst, but it takes more than a few months for a revolution.

He should stay in the campaign to build that coalition of individuals willing to wrest control of the DNC from Wall Street. We (the public interest) won't win public office until we rebuild the party from scratch.

The alternative is to create a third party - an even steeper climb.

We now know where this movement can take root; the west coast.

The Sanders supporters need to control local party offices everywhere in the west. Elected superdelegates should get the message loudly - we've had it with the cronyism and corruption.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #39)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:48 PM

40. I agree.

I tend to think the Dem party will have no choice to move leftward, but I've been wrong about that before. A thrid party could very well emerge if the DNC isn't receptive to this movement and change some platforms of the party.

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