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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:13 PM

Why is it that Bernie won the conservative counties in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Connecticut

but not the more liberal counties.

He also won the more conservative counties in NYS.

It seems counter intuitive...cause after all we are told that Clinton is no different that the Republicans.

But Bernie won the only county that Mitt Romney won in Connecticut.

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Reply Why is it that Bernie won the conservative counties in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Connecticut (Original post)
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 OP
Broward Apr 2016 #1
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #11
Garrett78 Apr 2016 #30
mvd Apr 2016 #2
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #12
Punkingal Apr 2016 #55
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #56
pat_k Apr 2016 #37
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #3
puffy socks Apr 2016 #4
Hortensis Apr 2016 #32
spooky3 Apr 2016 #54
BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #5
KingFlorez Apr 2016 #6
elleng Apr 2016 #7
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #14
elleng Apr 2016 #16
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #18
Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #8
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #15
ViseGrip Apr 2016 #9
JI7 Apr 2016 #10
Garrett78 Apr 2016 #13
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #31
Garrett78 Apr 2016 #33
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #34
Garrett78 Apr 2016 #59
pnwmom Apr 2016 #40
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #41
pnwmom Apr 2016 #42
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #45
pnwmom Apr 2016 #47
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #48
LexVegas Apr 2016 #17
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #19
LexVegas Apr 2016 #20
pnwmom Apr 2016 #44
hollowdweller Apr 2016 #21
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #22
Recursion Apr 2016 #23
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #24
seabeyond Apr 2016 #25
haikugal Apr 2016 #26
all american girl Apr 2016 #28
haikugal Apr 2016 #50
Ash_F Apr 2016 #27
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #62
Ash_F Apr 2016 #63
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #64
Ash_F Apr 2016 #65
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #66
Ash_F Apr 2016 #67
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #68
Ash_F Apr 2016 #69
Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #73
DemocraticWing Apr 2016 #29
jfern Apr 2016 #35
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auntpurl Apr 2016 #38
treestar Apr 2016 #39
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #43
Sancho Apr 2016 #46
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #49
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B Calm Apr 2016 #52
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DCBob Apr 2016 #57
Garrett78 Apr 2016 #60
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:15 PM

1. What are you getting at? Make the connection for the rest of us.

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Response to Broward (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:29 PM

11. I don't know...it just struck me as bizarre

he's got the very conservative western Maryland.
he's got the conservative central PA
he got upstate NY

I've been watching elections for a while and those areas very frequently go to the GOP.

I would have thought that he'd be more likely to pull support for his more liberal agenda from the more liberal parts of the state.
But thats not what is going on.

So why the disconnect?

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:43 AM

30. As I wrote below, he's been winning the 'reddest' parts of the US throughout this entire campaign.

Sanders, for instance, won the 4 'reddest' states in the US (with West Virginia, #5, yet to vote), going by Romney's margin of victory in 2012. Within states (such as PA, NY, MD, MO, IL, etc.), Sanders does best in suburban and rural areas, while Clinton does best in urban areas. Clinton has dominated the most populous states. In other words, Clinton has consistently done best in areas with a high concentration of persons of color, a point which has been evident for months. That's a big reason why Sanders never stood a chance of becoming the nominee. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511829582

Romney's margin of victory in each of the states he won:

1) Utah: 48 points
2) Wyoming: 41 points
3) Oklahoma: 34 points
4) Idaho: 32 points
5) West Virginia: 27 points
6) Arkansas: 24 points
7) Nebraska: 23 points
8) Kentucky: 22 points (22.7)
9) Alabama: 22 points (22.3)
10) Kansas: 22 points (22.2)
11) Tennessee: 20 points (20.5)
12) North Dakota: 20 points (19.8)
13) South Dakota: 18 points
14) Louisiana: 17 points
15) Texas: 16 points
16) Alaska: 14 points (14.0)
17) Montana: 14 points (13.5)
18) Mississippi: 12 points
19) South Carolina: 11 points (10.6)
20) Indiana: 11 points (10.5)
21) Arizona: 10 points (10.1)
22) Missouri: 10 points (9.6)
23) Georgia: 8 points
24) North Carolina: 2 points

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:15 PM

2. Possibly more party oriented Democrats in those areas

The Democrats in other areas, surrounded by such redness, may be more liberal. It's a theory.

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Response to mvd (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:31 PM

12. maybe

could it be the more liberal position on guns...cause those are the hunting parts of those states

But maybe you are right that they are just more disgruntled with all the power of the urban counties.

In NY it was always upstate versus downstate...almost on principle.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:09 AM

55. I do believe guns was a factor.

But I also believe it isn't just liberals who are unhappy wih politics as usual.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:11 AM

56. I thing most of us are unhappy with politics as usual

as usual being defined being all the obstructionism raised during Pres Obama's term of office

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Response to mvd (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:29 AM

37. Has been my theory too.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:16 PM

3. I have another theory but you have heard it already.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:21 PM

4. Conservatives believe they can beat Bernie easier in the GE.

 

The Right Baits the Left to Turn Against Hillary Clinton

For months now, America Rising has sent out a steady stream of posts on social media attacking Mrs. Clinton, some of them specifically designed to be spotted, and shared, by liberals. The posts highlight critiques of her connections to Wall Street and the Clinton Foundation and feature images of Democrats like Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York, interspersed with cartoon characters and pictures of Kevin Spacey, who plays the villain in “House of Cards.” And as they are read and shared, an anti-Clinton narrative is reinforced.

America Rising is not the only conservative group attacking Mrs. Clinton from the left. Another is American Crossroads, the group started by Karl Rove, which has been sending out its own digital content, including one ad using a speech Ms. Warren gave at the New Populism Conference in Washington last May.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html


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Response to puffy socks (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:50 AM

32. Here's that "AmericaRisingPac" ad against Hillary.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:07 AM

54. Confirms what many of us suspected...thanks.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:24 PM

5. Two things going on there: D's in those areas can be very anti-establishment/insurgent friendly

while the counties are red overall. In NY he won many of the same counties that Teachout took against Cuomo in the Democratic primary. They aren't more conservative Democrats; if anything they're more liberal. And they aren't courted by the establishment because that's not where the votes are. Those are the same counties we often lose in the GE because many are Republican to begin with.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:24 PM

6. He's a protest candidate for DINOs

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:27 PM

7. What means 'conservative' in this context?

Wouldn't mind a conversation about this here. 'Conserve' what, or return to where we were when?

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:34 PM

14. I mean that from watching years of election results those counties either go GOP

or have a much tighter race than the more liberal counties.

I'm almost wondering if its more anti-urban attitude.
For me I grew up in NYS and upstate versus downstate was a given (staten island was an outlier)

And I know that many of the rural/urban values around guns and self-sufficiency seem to come into play in those votes

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:38 PM

16. Thanks.

I'm in DC suburb of MD, 'lost' Senator Sanders (and Donna Edwards,) 2 progressives, to the Dem establishment, did gain a progressive member of congress in Van Hollen's stead.

Haven't watched the counties as closely as you have. Glad to see your understanding of what happened.

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Response to elleng (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:41 PM

18. I know those states

and New Jersey and California very well

And I always wonder what makes people vote the way they do

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:28 PM

8. I am guessing the same factors that led to

wins in WY, ID and similar traditionally conservative states.Maybe all the Sanders voters in these areas are college kids?

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:36 PM

15. I doubt it

I'm thinking its closer to the midwest v coastal states split
More rural versus more urban.

Guns and anti-government thinking

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:28 PM

9. The numbers are fixed per congressional districts. Karl Roves little game.

 

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:28 PM

10. because there are more white people there and Clinton's support is more POC

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:31 PM

13. Sanders has been winning the 'reddest' parts of the US throughout the campaign.

For instance, he won all 4 of the 'reddest' states in the US (going by Romney's margin of victory in 2012). And he'll likely win more 'red' states, such as Montana, if he doesn't suspend his campaign.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:46 AM

31. "Red" like Washington State? Seattle?

How do you suppose Hillary Clinton is going to do in Oregon?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:53 AM

33. Exceptions prove the rule.

Check out Romney's margin of victory in each of the states he won in 2012:


1) Utah: 48 points
2) Wyoming: 41 points
3) Oklahoma: 34 points
4) Idaho: 32 points
5) West Virginia: 27 points
6) Arkansas: 24 points
7) Nebraska: 23 points
8) Kentucky: 22 points (22.7)
9) Alabama: 22 points (22.3)
10) Kansas: 22 points (22.2)
11) Tennessee: 20 points (20.5)
12) North Dakota: 20 points (19.8)
13) South Dakota: 18 points
14) Louisiana: 17 points
15) Texas: 16 points
16) Alaska: 14 points (14.0)
17) Montana: 14 points (13.5)
18) Mississippi: 12 points
19) South Carolina: 11 points (10.6)
20) Indiana: 11 points (10.5)
21) Arizona: 10 points (10.1)
22) Missouri: 10 points (9.6)
23) Georgia: 8 points
24) North Carolina: 2 points

Sanders has won (or will win) most of those, especially those closest to the top. And within states, such as MO and IL, Clinton does best in urban areas and Sanders does best in suburban and rural areas.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #33)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:01 AM

34. I suspect California's results will surprise you.

50 Million people on the west coast of the United States are not an "exception". We are people whose issues and concerns are consistently blown off or misunderstood by beltway and east coast conventional wisdom types.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:27 AM

59. I didn't say Sanders has only won 'red' areas.

I said that he's been winning the 'reddest' areas throughout the campaign, which is undeniable (again, see Romney-2012 list).

Regarding California, I suspect it'll be a close contest. Clinton will do better in the urban areas and Sanders will do better in the non-urban areas, which has become a well-established pattern.

As I've been saying for the last couple of months, the Clinton-red state meme is one that takes reality and flips it on its head. Because it's actually Sanders who has done best in the 'reddest' parts of the US. That may seem counterintuitive to some and it may contradict one's preconceived notion, but that is the reality.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:27 AM

40. Washington is one of the states with the fewest African American voters.

That's where he gets the least support everywhere.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:30 AM

41. Yeah, so I guess its not just Sanders people who make excuses.

They're too white! Too red! Too liberal! Too conservative! Too young! Dont count!

since she's likely to be the nominee, maybe she should consider how to broaden her appeal, even to the useless millennials and apparently irrelevant 50 million of us on the podunk left coast of this country. Just a thought.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:40 AM

42. Where is your evidence that she would have a problem with millennials in the general election?

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/25/11505126/poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump

Poll: Hillary Clinton's "millennial problem" disappears against Donald Trump

Young voters have overwhelmingly backed Bernie Sanders throughout the Democratic primary, leading to endless speculation that Hillary Clinton will face a big "millennial problem" come November.

A new poll out today, however, suggests that Clinton would do more than just fine with young people in a general election. Clinton leads Donald Trump by a whopping 36 points among people ages 18 to 29, according to a Harvard Institute of Politics study released on Monday.


https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/khe4kQaTnzF8BHOEkTAnqH8K2fE=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6387965/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-25%20at%205.17.28%20PM.png


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:44 AM

45. I'm not sure what any of these arguments are supposed to "prove", at this point. We'll see.

Seems to me it couldn't HURT for her to try and appeal better to, say, Millennials or residents of the Pacific NW- and frankly why some here seem to get off on endlessly insulting them is kind of beyond me...

well, everyone needs hobbies, I suppose.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:48 AM

47. She does her best in diverse states that include significant African American and/or Latino

populations.

Washington is less than 5% African American. Our caucus system increased Bernie's lead even more, since it involved only about 6% of our population.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-is-winning-the-states-that-look-like-the-democratic-party/


And the sort of wishful thinking Sanders is engaged in can cut both ways. Yes, Clinton’s lead would be considerably narrower (although she’d still be winning) without delegates from the Deep South. But what if you excluded delegates from caucuses, where Sanders has gained a net of 150 delegates on Clinton? Without those delegates, Sanders couldn’t even maintain the pretense of a competitive race. Not only are most of those caucus states extremely white and therefore poorly representative of Democrats’ national demographics — many of them (such as Idaho and Nebraska) are also quite red. Furthermore, caucuses tend to disenfranchise voters by making it harder to vote. Our demographic modeling suggests that this has hurt Clinton and that Sanders wouldn’t have won by the same enormous margins if those caucus states had held primaries instead.

But overall, the math is pretty simple. Sanders is winning states that are much whiter than the Democratic electorate as a whole, Clinton is winning states that are much blacker than the Democratic electorate as a whole, and Clinton is winning most of those states that are somewhere in the middle, whether they’re in the South (like Virginia) or elsewhere (like Ohio or Nevada). That’s why she’ll probably be the Democratic nominee.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:52 AM

48. And your point with that is... What, exactly?

The OP was trying - lamely- to say "conservative", not "white". We're going to have to stretch the definition of conservatvie pretty fuckin far to include PDX.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:40 PM

17. Are they much whiter counties? nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:44 PM

19. yes, they are whiter

I just don't believe that whiter is the entire underlying factor

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:45 PM

20. No...thats basically why. nt

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:44 AM

44. Clinton does better in states that are more diverse. Bernie does well in states with

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:59 PM

21. Think it's Clintons focus on restricting gun ownership.

 


I think she will need to run the table in the urban areas in the general because after her using the gun issue to be difft from Bernie very few rural folks will vote for her.

Many rural people are economically progressive so it's no wonder Sanders is popular but the gun issue is the one they vote on.

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Response to hollowdweller (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:16 AM

22. I also was wondering if the differences toward guns played into the rural/urban split nt

nt

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:17 AM

23. Because they're the whiter parts

And he's consistently done better with white voters. The campaign has spent the entire primary season wondering what could possibly be "wrong" with minority voters, since if they understood his message they'd clearly support it, rather than wondering if in fact it's just not a very appealing message to a lot of minorities.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:17 AM

24. They are mostly white. nt

 

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:43 AM

25. Yes. Sanders consistently wins the conservative areas and Clinton wins the progressive areas.

 

You would think that would be a clue.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:50 AM

26. Do you have a link to the counties in PA and how they voted? Thx nt

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Response to haikugal (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:48 AM

28. If you go to Talking Points Memo, they have the results on the front page

clink on the results and they show the breakdown of the counties.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:00 AM

50. Thanks!

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:44 AM

27. Those would also be less populated areas

I think in less populated areas, Democrats are more socially connected to each other and less connected to their tvs.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:11 PM

62. maybe...when I lived in the rural area, democrats were hard to find

I'm almost 3000 miles away but thanks to the magic of facebook, I can see that area is still GOP country

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:16 PM

63. That would mean the Democrats there would be even more connected.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:25 PM

64. Could be

My mom didn't become a US citizen until her mid-60s...
so I wouldn't necessarily seen the hidden democrats

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #64)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:30 PM

65. Hidden? Are you implying there aren't?

I understand that those 3 states are closed primaries. It would be quite a commitment by a lot of Republicans to register as Democrats in advance, in many cases their entire lives. A lot of coordination and ability to keep it all a secret too.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:38 PM

66. no, I"m not saying they aren't there

I'm saying that I didn't observe as many democrats in my area as the more vocal republicans

Hidden to me because my family was apolitical...which should be obvious because my mom couldn't vote as a non-citizen

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #66)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:39 PM

67. How do you account for all those votes?

Edit - I organize non-citizens and I find them way more political than most.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #67)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:46 PM

68. my family were non-citizens and apolitical

and you would not have found them to be more political than most

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #68)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:49 PM

69. I get that. I am saying you can not put people in a box based on one or two factors

Either where they live or where they are from.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:53 PM

73. I'm not sure how saying that republicans were the majority and the most visible

where I lived in the rural part of the NYS is putting people in a box

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:08 AM

29. Moderates in heavily partisan areas tend to register with the dominant party.

It's mostly a desire to vote in local elections, which in those places are often decided in one primary or the other. The people actually registered Democrat in places like Upstate NY are incredibly committed, the type who join websites like this one because they feel cut off from other Democrats. They don't get to truly decide who wins mayor or county clerk or whatever because the Republican primary tends to decide those elections. On the other hand, there are higher numbers of crossover moderate Republicans registered Democrat in heavily blue areas.

Hillary does better with moderates than liberals, and Bernie does better than liberals with moderates.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:03 AM

35. Hillary won conservative areas like Greenwich, CT

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:24 AM

36. This will sound corny but I think its the more personal scale of life

 

People in places like upstate NY tend to have more interaction with their neighbors and politicisns and government...Liberals and conservatives have more human interactions....and thus see political opponents in 3d terms.....They may fight over politics but relate in other ways



Like in Vermont....Alot of people who are not as left as Sanders, but appreciate him as a person and politician who has their back.

I think a lot of what Bernie represents is the idea of community...





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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:44 AM

38. Guns and lack of POC. nt

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:21 AM

39. True

Bernie has the white males too.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:43 AM

43. Less diversity?

That's my guess.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:46 AM

46. Archie Bunker likes Bernie

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Response to Sancho (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:59 AM

49. Yes, but which campaign has more fans of "the mentalist"?

I'm bettin' Hillary's

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:01 AM

51. white people.

 

demographics is destiny in this election.

(yes, i know merely by mentioning race, i am clearly being racist/race-baiting )

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:02 AM

52. I live in red state Indiana and it voted for Obama once.

 

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:16 AM

53. Trump Supporters and Bernie Supporters...

 

Live side-by-side in upstate NY.

No hate.

Trump supporters roll their eyes at Bernie's ideas - 'how's he gonna pay for it...?'

Bernie supporters roll their eyes at Trump's big mouth - 'he seems over the top...'

Both of the above spit nails when they mention HRC.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:13 AM

57. Simple.. diversity is lacking in those counties.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:31 AM

60. It really is that simple.

Some of us have been pointing that out for months now. Clinton becoming the nominee has been a given ever since Biden made it clear he wasn't going to run, because Clinton wins where it matters most.

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Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:26 AM

58. With all the documentation of "miscounting" it wouldn't surprise me if only the least conservative

precincts were tampered with.

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Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:51 AM

61. I'm sure there's fraud involved.

 

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Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:49 PM

70. Its simple really. Trump on the right and Bernie on the left

 

represent white male anxiety over their loss of privilege and place in the power structures of America.

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Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:50 PM

71. Because someone like Bernie can cut across ideologies.

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Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:52 PM

72. I think

because most of the urban areas tend to be more diverse and minorities have been voting for Clinton. I certainly don't think it's because Sanders is more conservative or anything like that.

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