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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:51 PM

 

Bernie just proved

You have to be more than a candidate of Reddit. He attempted to appeal to anyone beyond the reddit OWS and Iphone crowd. Hopefully after this he will stand with our nominee Hillary Clinton and work together to win in November.

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Reply Bernie just proved (Original post)
TMontoya Apr 2016 OP
flor-de-jasmim Apr 2016 #1
TMontoya Apr 2016 #2
Logical Apr 2016 #3
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #10
pinebox Apr 2016 #62
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #72
pinebox Apr 2016 #86
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #98
Dragonfli Apr 2016 #132
KittyWampus Apr 2016 #138
Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #87
TMontoya Apr 2016 #89
Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #90
TMontoya Apr 2016 #95
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #100
fun n serious May 2016 #141
LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #70
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #73
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #77
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #111
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #112
Phlem Apr 2016 #135
LondonReign2 May 2016 #143
LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #107
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #121
jack_krass Apr 2016 #123
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #127
jack_krass Apr 2016 #130
jack_krass Apr 2016 #124
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #129
MyNameGoesHere Apr 2016 #136
LondonReign2 May 2016 #140
runaway hero Apr 2016 #115
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #122
runaway hero Apr 2016 #125
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #128
runaway hero Apr 2016 #131
fun n serious May 2016 #145
fun n serious May 2016 #142
Logical Apr 2016 #74
Yurovsky Apr 2016 #81
snooper2 Apr 2016 #88
frylock Apr 2016 #91
LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #69
redstateblues Apr 2016 #76
frylock Apr 2016 #94
LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #108
Svafa Apr 2016 #83
LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #109
Beowulf Apr 2016 #36
thebeautifulstruggle Apr 2016 #103
Ron Green Apr 2016 #4
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #6
auntpurl Apr 2016 #11
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #25
auntpurl Apr 2016 #26
randome Apr 2016 #67
Iliyah Apr 2016 #56
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #57
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #42
Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #52
LisaM Apr 2016 #101
mmonk Apr 2016 #5
firebrand80 Apr 2016 #7
Orsino Apr 2016 #24
JCanete Apr 2016 #63
auntpurl Apr 2016 #13
Gman Apr 2016 #18
CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #22
auntpurl Apr 2016 #27
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #43
frylock Apr 2016 #96
Amimnoch Apr 2016 #44
auntpurl Apr 2016 #55
brush Apr 2016 #82
reformist2 Apr 2016 #8
Live and Learn Apr 2016 #12
PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #16
auntpurl Apr 2016 #28
PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #34
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PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #38
auntpurl Apr 2016 #39
PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #40
auntpurl Apr 2016 #41
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #46
vintx Apr 2016 #80
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Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #117
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seabeyond Apr 2016 #15
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seabeyond Apr 2016 #75
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Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #30
JCanete Apr 2016 #65
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JCanete Apr 2016 #99
Gman Apr 2016 #126
beaglelover Apr 2016 #97
choie Apr 2016 #133
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #47
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seabeyond Apr 2016 #14
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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:05 AM

1. Whatever else, his campaign has also proven

that extreme lengths the powers that be will go to. There has been massive attempts this cycle to limit the vote, game the system, misuse technology, not count or miscount the vote, alter voter machine behavior, etc. I am not blaming anyone's supporters, and the results may well have come out similarly, but this election should be a wake up call to ALL who cherish open and free elections. Drastic action needs to be taken.

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:06 AM

2. No there hasn't

 

There is no grand conspiracy against Bernie. His ideas simply do not resonate with Democrats. Nothing more.

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Response to TMontoya (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:13 AM

3. Hillary is a right leaning dem. Nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:18 AM

10. BS

If you stand on the extreme left, everyone to your right is a conservative.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:32 AM

62. Tell us what's the extreme left?

 

We'll wait while you define it.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:26 AM

72. People of the extreme left are easy to spot

1) They are for every socialist proposal ever made without reservations

2) They believe that they are ideologically pure.

3) They believe that only they understand the right path, and everyone else is ignorant, misguided or most likely a conservative.

4) They refuse to compromise even when it is their best interest

I could go on, but they are easy to spot when you understand their profile

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:07 PM

86. Ok a question

 

Wouldn't everyone technically be a conservative compared to the extreme left? See what I did there?

FYI Bernie supporters aren't the extreme left either, that would be Moa, Gurrera, and entities like FARC.
If you're thinking that then the entire world is the extreme left as social democracies rule the roost in first world countries. Last I heard, Sweden & Canada were not North Korea.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #86)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:31 PM

98. I didn't say all of Sanders' supporters are on the far left - most are not

I said that many of Bernie's most zealous supporters are of the far left, and I have seen absolutely nothing to dispute that statement. I think that you have correctly categorized entities like FARC as extreme left; they are Marxist–Leninists engaging in a civil war.

"Far left" is a relative term depending on which country is referenced. In this country some of Sanders supporters are as far left as people get in this country without being all out communist.

These are the people who have made it very clear from the start that they would not vote for the Democratic nominee unless that nominee is Bernie Sanders. They consider themselves "too liberal" to be Democrats and normally vote for the Green Party candidate who is generally someone who is not equipped in any way to be President. They would rather engage in useless protests instead of insuring that the unfortunate in this country are properly cared for, thus violating the most important progressive principle. In my book they are useless human beings.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #98)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:16 PM

132. Meanings of words and ideologies are defined and are not relative, else no dictionary would exist.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #132)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:25 AM

138. Here's the word Cajunblazer was looking for- Ideologue. Sanders and many of his supporters

 

especially on DU are Ideologues.


i·de·o·logue/ˈīdēəˌlôɡ,ˈidēəˌlôɡ/
noun

1: an impractical idealist : theorist
2: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:08 PM

87. "They are for every socialist proposal ever made without reservations"

 

So there is no extreme left, because that seems like a straw man that reflects no actual person ever.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:13 PM

89. Yes there is

 

OWS for example.

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Response to TMontoya (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:15 PM

90. OWS is for EVERY socialist thing EVER.

 

Try again.

And if you stopped the red baiting, that would be great, too (which was my point in case you missed it).

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #90)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:27 PM

95. Actually they are

 

I've heard interviews with some of those who were at the park at the time. Some believing we should just do away with "money" entirely. I'm sorry but that is nonsense thinking. They all rail against evil corporations while texting away on their Apple products (which btw Apple is one of most greedy corporations out there). OWS has done nothing but be a stain on the Democratic party.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #90)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:33 PM

100. I never called anyone a communist, because I don't know that would be true...

Your projecting your assumption on my written words.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #72)

Wed May 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

141. Also.. everything is corrupt, bought,

 

So much corruption conspiracies! To a paranoia extent.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:19 AM

70. And when you stand on the right, you think everything is the extreme left

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:34 AM

73. I am moderate progressive

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And I think the far right and the far left are more alike than they will ever admit and are both great dangers to this country.

They are both the reasons why our government doesn't work because they both try to elect candidates so far to the left or right that gridlock is the natural result. Not even the most fundamental things required of government don't get done.

I put the zealots on both the far left and the far right in the same category - worse than useless.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:44 PM

77. Our government doesn't work because it has been co-opted

by multi national corporations. Hard for a government to work for the people when most elected official are bought and paid for by corporations, including your gal Hillary.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:05 PM

111. Wrong - if corporations "owned" the government it would work fine...

,,, not the way I would want it to work, but it would work seamlessly. The President, the Senate and the House would all be on the same page. Every bill would be proposed, written, passed and signed without any problems. Again, the results would not be what I would

Instead what we have is gridlock. So I call BS on your statement.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:21 PM

112. Yeah, corporations would be making loans against perfectly financially sound government agencies

pocketing the money, filing bankruptcy and walking away leaving me and you to foot the bill.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:16 PM

135. "Wrong - if corporations "owned" the government it would work fine..."

OMFG are you lost.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #135)

Wed May 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

143. And yet the dude thinks he is a progressive



I guess it is the Rovian rebranding of the word "progressive" to mean right-of-center pro-corporate foreign policy hawks.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:30 PM

107. You can call yourself the Queen of England, doesn't make it true

Pretending to be progressive and being copacetic with Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch Brothers...utterly Rovian.

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #107)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:25 PM

121. You're insulting! You obviously have no clue what my political views are

Obviously in your book "progressive"= "left wing zealot". It is also apparent that you don't realize that progressives who aren't as liberal as you are, and even moderates who are left of center, should be viewed as your potential allies instead of your enemies. There are far fewer of you than there are of us, and you kind are not going to ever win a natural election on your own.

You view the political world through a distorted prism of your own making. You should distrust anything you perceive until you break out of your ideologically pure shell and join the real world.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #121)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:51 PM

123. How about: Progressive means you don't take $150,000,000 in "speaking fees" from

 

the people you'll be making laws to regulate.

Hillary Clinton is *not* a progressive, though she does play one on TV ("you can fool some of the people all the time"

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #123)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:15 PM

127. Hell, for $150,000 I'll give a speech to either the KKK or Socialist USA convention

They may not like the speech, but if they want to pay me, I'll take their money so they can't spend on something more dangerous. And it wouldn't affect the way I vote one iota. I suspect you would too.

When Sanders was asked in a debate to provide one example where accepting payment for speeches adversely affected the actions Hillary made or the decision she made and he was speechless. That's because she has been more active than Sanders in reigning the abuse of major corporations.

If accepting money for campaigns from corporations and special interest groups is a sin, then everyone from Obama down is guilty. Sanders is guilty because he accepted money from the NRA during his first congressional campaign.

Sanders also fully supported John Kerry's run for the Presidency and Kerry took corporate money for his campaign. It certainly didn't bother St. Bernie then, but now its a big deal when his opponent does the same thing. Doesn't that make your candidate a hypocrite?

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #127)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:47 PM

130. If you were to then attemp to obtain a position of power over the KKK

 

Then people would be 100% within their rights to question your motives, and whether that 150,000 was pre payment for future services.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #121)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:52 PM

124. How about: Progressive means you don't cackle "we came, we say, he died"

 

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #124)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:41 PM

129. ....

color me clueless

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #124)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:49 AM

136. What does "cackle" mean?

I hope you can be honest.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #121)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:46 AM

140. You poor darling. I must apologize.

I didn't know it was so easy to hurt you feelings.

Nonetheless, you support a candidate backed by Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch Brothers. Yet you think you are a progressive. Yet you pretend that = progressive. As I said, claim you are the Queen of England all you want, doesn't make it true.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:53 PM

115. So you support the Third Way then

Say so.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #115)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:43 PM

122. While I certainly don't ascribe to "third way" politics in particular...

... any path but the two proposed by the tea partiers on the right and their mirror image clones on the left has to be better for the country. The paths of both extremes lead to disaster.

Throughout its history this country has rode a political pendulum which very slowly swings from right to left and then back again. Every time it swings too far to the left or to the right, the voters wisely sense the dangers of the extremes and the pendulum slows and and then starts back in the other direction. The state desired by the far left and the far right are never achieved and one side or the other is always ticked off that the other side is temporary winning.

My observations indicate that the pendulum has been swinging to the left for sometime now, but beware, those like me in the center will never let it too far left or too far right and we have far superior numbers.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #122)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:57 PM

125. Personally...

I believe progressivism is something that is needed to move forward. I know why Bernie's fans are mad. They tried this last time, and OWS ended up being a bust, because haf the party was not behind them. I think people are, in a way, sick of the middle, sick of the stauts quo.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #125)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:30 PM

128. That's too bad....

While the country shifts to left and then to the right and back again over extended lengths of time, it never strays too far from the middle where most of its citizens have resided since the founding of this republic. Those on the far left and far right will thus never be satisfied.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #128)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:53 PM

131. Right but

This is why nothing ever changes unless the situation becomes dire.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #73)

Wed May 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

145. I agree with you 100%

 

Some here on DU have been rallying against Obama and calling an end to the status quo. IMO this is the best we have had it in decades so give me more status quo.

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #70)

Wed May 4, 2016, 12:46 PM

142. Yes. I just heard Republicans on TV...

 

talking about how they have not seen a conservative republican since the 80's.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:36 PM

74. Lol,extreme left! You sound like a hill fan. Nt

 

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:52 PM

81. Then she's the only war-mongering corporate Leftist I know...

I think you're confused on just where the center is... Try moving WAAAAAAY left...

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #81)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:12 PM

88. Yeah we don't need some loser like Maduro running this country into the ground thankyou

 

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:21 PM

91. Everything looks extreme left when you live on the right side of the political spectrum.

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Response to Logical (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:18 AM

69. No, she is a left leaning Republican

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:43 PM

76. Bullshit- She was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress

ask any Republican if she is one of them. Foolishness

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:26 PM

94. POP QUIZ: Who is THE most liberal Senator in Congress?

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:31 PM

108. We should ask Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch brothers

if she is one of them.

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:01 PM

83. Yes, she is a socially liberal republican.

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Response to Svafa (Reply #83)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:33 PM

109. And some of her socially liberal positions are of political convenience, i.e.,

only coming around on gay marriage when is was politically advantageous.

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Response to TMontoya (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:48 AM

36. You clearly have not been paying attention.

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Response to TMontoya (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:09 PM

103. his message doesn't ressonate with those who aren't yet awake

 

to who the 2 main parties serve together

and wth is Clinton's message? seriously...all i've heard is her trying to piggyback her husband, Obama, and tell us everything else is too hard to even try

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:16 AM

4. Not to mention the seven-month media blackout

and pundit memes that became political reality.

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:33 AM

6. If he can't handle this little primary, he'd never survive the GOP. You think THIS was bad?

Bernie would be eaten alive. A well-funded GOP vs a candidate who'd willingly run a pauper's campaign? He'd be a bug on the windshield of the GOP's Mack-Truck. He'd be a sparrow getting sucked into a 747's engine. No contest. Game over, man, game over!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:19 AM

11. Hey! Lay off the bird!

It means a lot to them.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:36 AM

25. Glad you saw that ...

... it was kinda hidden in there.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:37 AM

26. lol

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:05 AM

67. It was a FINCH! Not a sparrow! Oh, no wonder this country is doomed. DOOMED!!!

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:35 AM

56. The corporate media treated BS with kit gloves

They remind me of that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in the cave when finally they opened up the ark and lord behold a beautiful angelic women came forth and then seconds later turned into a hideous evil monster.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 AM

57. Good analogy ... I remember that!

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:06 AM

42. Making crap up never helps the healing process

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:31 AM

52. Agree

 

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:41 PM

101. You don't think caucuses limit the vote?

Many of the Hillary supporters I know in Washington did their best to avoid the caucus because we didn't want to be bullied the way we were in 2008. This year I sent in an affidavit because they held it on Easter weekend, which was also ridiculous.

If I didn't live in a caucus state, I might have a little more sympathy with your position, but I simply do not hear the Sanders' people getting up in arms about the caucuses. Ours had four excuses: work, disability, military, and religion. No mention of, say, transportation, family issues (such as being a caregiver), or anything else. Some states with caucuses don't even allow any excuses for not attending. And, if the voting for delegates went to a second round here, the affidavits were tossed.

Compare this to not being able to vote in a primary for a party you're not even a member of? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:20 AM

5. He proved the people can fund a candidate.

That's valuable to know.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:37 AM

7. A losing candidate nt

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:27 AM

24. A relative unknown, versus a rock-star Democrat.

Sanders is the proof of concept we never knew we were waiting for. He saw the hunger for change, and is successfully crowd-sourcing...even if we could never quite catch up with the Establishment juggernaut. This time.

The need for change only grows when we fail to implement it. Sanders dared to be the first, and he won't be the last.

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:56 AM

63. "That's why I'm backing who the corporations are backing!" n/t

 

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:19 AM

13. Can fund a candidate to RUN, not a candidate to WIN.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:23 AM

18. And that is important

But until CU is overturned, it's not enough to compete.

That's one of many reasons why the next prez must be a Dem to appointment Scalia's replacement.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:24 AM

22. Wrong!!!

He proved that he could get through a primary, that's all.

The money he raised is but a fraction of what the Koch brothers and their friends are willing to fund their PAC's in the general election. GE's now cost north of $1 Billion dollars. Until we get the big money out of Presidential elections, small private donations amounting to a individual maximum of $2,500 per election is not going to cut it.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:40 AM

27. Well, "get through a primary"

depends on your definition. He proved you can LOSE a primary.

But your larger point is exactly right.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:06 AM

43. He proved the Roberts court correct, he outspent Hillary and still lost... that's a shame

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:27 PM

96. Yay Roberts' court!

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:07 AM

44. Very disheartening how some of my fellows respond to this.

 

I for one find it extremely admirable that Bernie funded the way he did. It's worthy of nothing short of respect. It was one of the main things about him that really had me leaning towards switching support during this primary season several times.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 AM

55. IN THEORY, I agree.

But until the laws change, no one has proven that you can WIN without some big money channels. Once the laws change and NO ONE is allowed them, then we will see what we will see.

I for one am not prepared to get our asses kicked in the GE by the fucking Koch brothers out of ideological purity.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:56 PM

82. The Obama campaign perfected Howard Dean's online fundraising. The Sanders . . .

campaign followed up on those two earlier online methods.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:45 AM

8. This is absurd. He's within a few percentage points of beating the most anointed front-runner ever.


To crap all over what he's managed to do shows a weird need to dismiss what all these voters are saying - that they reject what the party what serving up.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:19 AM

12. + a gazillion. nt

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:22 AM

16. DUrec

 

She has been soundly rejected.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:41 AM

28. By 3 million more voters than voted for Bernie.

Sorry, that makes no sense whatsoever.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:47 AM

34. She has only been running for 20 years

 

How much longer does she need?

An upstart grass roots candidate should never have made it this far, if she was a good candidate.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:48 AM

35. She doesn't need any longer at all. She's won it.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:00 AM

38. Your point is?

 

Obvious is obvious.

Good luck against the Republicans.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:01 AM

39. Thanks, you too.

I assume you are also in favour of beating the Republicans?

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:03 AM

40. I am in favour of beating all conservatives all the time

 

Sadly, it does not ever happen. This year was the best hope I have had in my life though.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:05 AM

41. We've just had 8 years of a Democratic presidency

So what do you mean, it never happens?

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:07 AM

46. This is false on its face

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:48 PM

80. As arrogant, dismissive, and shamelessly mendacious as their candidate. nt

 

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:25 PM

93. +10000

I'll be throwing my support behind Hillary, but it has been truly inspiring to watch an absolutely unknown senator peddling democratic socialism go up against the most powerful political brand since Kennedy.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:55 PM

117. No shit. She was supposed to be inevitable and he was a kooky unknown.

"Weird need", indeed.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:06 AM

9. Wall Stree thanks you for your support. Couldn't of done it without you.

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Response to Broward (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:22 AM

15. Repugs thank you for the smears.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:10 AM

68. Why would you even care when in many areas your ideology aligns.

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Response to Broward (Reply #68)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:40 PM

75. Again smears. No factuality, just a petulant insult.

 

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Response to Broward (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:25 AM

23. Wall Street provides the financing for jobs for hundreds of millions of people

Why is that lost on so many?

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Response to Gman (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:43 AM

30. Gag.

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Response to Gman (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:01 AM

65. Why not say, "this plantation provides housing and meals for 100 percent of the slaves on it?"

 


It's not like Wall Street does this because the people who operate within it are philanthropists. When communities are being bled dry and corporations are getting richer, its real rich that you would make such a transparent comment about the good work our financial institutions do.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:22 PM

92. Do you have a better way

For folks to put a roof over their family's heads or food on the table?

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Response to Gman (Reply #92)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:32 PM

99. for starters, don't give credit where its not due,

 


wall street needs workers to make those profits. Don't frame the argument that wall street is giving people jobs.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #99)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:03 PM

126. Cash is the lifeblood of a business.

You can't change that. Wall Street provides most if the cash necessary to run a business and create jobs. Without Wall Street we are a very poor country without basic necessities.

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Response to Gman (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:29 PM

97. It's only lost on the losers of society.

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Response to Gman (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:59 PM

133. Oh yeah, that's right - they're the job creators!!!

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Response to Broward (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:08 AM

47. Most Americans want Wall Street regulated, Sanders can't be trusted to do this after his CFMA vote

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:00 AM

64. Keep doing their bidding.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:21 AM

14. He didn't do the homework to be taken seriously as a candidate that thought not with frontal lobe of

 

brain. He had a shot, but he did it the lazy way. Stay on point of what he has discussed for five decades. Do not become more knowledge, stepping into a position one has to be well rounded. Listen to no one.

He didn't do the work needed. Simply stood in front of people and talked. That is his passion a lifetime. I can see a lot of worth in that, but not as president.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:22 AM

17. Never logged into reddit... never owned an iPhone. However, my privileged friends who die over

their iPhones think Hillary is the bomb. It has become an issue of class, and I can't afford your candidate. I hope he is the nominee. And that's all I will say about that.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:23 AM

19. K&R

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:24 AM

20. I doubt he's going to be a gracious loser, and that's kind of sad.

It is frankly becoming demeaning and humiliating for him to keep attacking the Democratic presumptive nominee and giving talking points to the presumptive Republican nominee. This bodes very poorly for Sanders' legacy.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:32 AM

54. Agree. n/t

 

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:00 AM

59. Yet to be seen

I've said this from the start that Sanders had a very hard example to follow in how to concede graciously. I'm still amazed at how Hillary Clinton shifted gears and then campaigned her heart out for Barack Obama and down ticket Democrats.

We will soon see Bernie Sanders--the man--and what sort of mettle he's genuinely made of because losing is hard, heart-breaking. It takes a lot of grit to shake yourself off and do what's right. I'm hoping Sanders rises to the occasion, We need every voice, every hand on deck for a November win.

The alternative is absolutely unthinkable.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:25 AM

71. Well said, peggysue!

I'm with you 100%.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:24 AM

21. I don't think he expected to do this well.

 

If he did his campaign would have been run differently.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:44 AM

31. He absolutely did not. He wanted to run on economic justice and campaign finance reform

He was probably hoping to advance those issues, and then nobody actually ran against Hillary.

The way he frames his speeches and openings of debates definitely lead me to believe this.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:42 AM

29. not helpful

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:45 AM

32. Bernie proved that there is no "new politics".

 

The most important way to win support and win elections is to go state to state, town to town, and talk to the voters about the issues they care about. You have to tailor your message to fit the people you're talking to. You can't give the same speech to rural Nebraska and urban Baltimore, and expect to get the same results. They say all politics is local, and Bernie's inability to hone his pitch to the audience has proven that.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:52 AM

37. Good post.

I'm always surprised to see Bernie supporters touting those pics of huge rallies with Bernie giving his same old stump speech, and then making fun of Hillary's smaller crowds at her events, where she is actually TALKING to people. You know, what people used to call CAMPAIGNING.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:09 AM

48. This should be its own OP

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:24 AM

61. +1

He just didn't do the grueling hard part of the work.

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Response to treestar (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:04 PM

134. so lazy bernie is the new meme, huh? i see it sprinkled throughout this thread...

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:45 AM

33. Put him down then say he should work with Hillary. You just proved how utterly disrespectful you

are to the only honest candidate running for President.Yes he is still running in the primary. I donated and will continue to donate all the way to CA.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:07 AM

45. Really, you think he was only a candidate of Reddit?


I can see why your political analysis skills led you to support HRC.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:18 AM

49. You sling stereotypes in a unity post?

 

Gods, what are they teaching you people at orientation? You either bait, or you appeal for unity, but not in the same post.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:28 AM

50. His right-wing fans did a lot of damage, IMHO

I'm not referring to all his supporters, I'm talking about the ones who were never democrats or even liberal, but liked Bernie's message. I won't pretend like I've ever been a big fan of Bernie's, but there were moments early on where I felt myself softening up and being more receptive to him (based on him expanding his platform, etc).

But suddenly the BernieBros were completely out of control! Then Bernie started showing a rude and arrogant side as well. That's not going to attract new support from democrats--maybe republicans, but definitely not democrats. Had he stayed positive and reeled in his trolls, we might be having a different discussion right now.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:30 AM

51. Welcome to DU.

 

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Response to peace13 (Reply #51)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:09 PM

104. Too late, they're gone.

 

Good thing, too.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:32 AM

53. The disdain for younger voters is seriously becoming tiresome nt

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:44 AM

58. I'm for Bernie all the way.....and I have no clue what Reddit is.

 

This sounds like another version of conservative hippie bashing.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:08 AM

60. He just proved how the money and leadership are stacked against progressives. n/t

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Response to Orsino (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:46 PM

78. perpetual victimhood

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:47 PM

79. He embraces all us victims of capitalism...

...and has made our needs his platform.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #79)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:04 PM

120. Go Bernie


Bernie; "I`m In In It to Win It" http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017362988

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:02 AM

66. Maybe I can go back to reddit and post again

Place has been a Bernie/Trump or BUST site for months now - the vote-briggading there smothered any alternate perspectives completely. It basically showed that reddit has a major issue in how it's voting system can be abused.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:01 PM

84. everyone will get to vote in the general.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:06 PM

85. His campaign has proven...

...that having the courage of your convictions has mass appeal.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:09 PM

102. PSA: TMontoya has been shown the door.

 

Not sure why, but I agree with the decision.

PPR.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:15 PM

105. Posting Privileges Revoked

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:16 PM

106. Kick

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Response to Autumn (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:51 PM

113. You're in a

vindictive mood today.

I love it.

This was a good start. Now about 99 others.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #113)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:59 PM

119. That I am my Darlin. This troll was one of the nastiest and there another obvious one

I'm gonna sit and watch to see if that mess is cleaned up.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:36 PM

110. He is anti trump so will support Hillary. but in the general. the independents

 

which make up 1/3rd of the electorate by the way, will be forced to choose.They cannot vote in closed primaries, so do not be saying Hillary has more votes-she does not. Indies are folks who are not reactionary, rather they do their homework, are thinkers and are neither blue nor red so are our revolution voters, the future. The "Partys" are just the corrupt teams filled with dominant liars, users and takers(Congress) and the Indies have only two reps in the senate.Both are really well liked as humans.

The DNC will be stupid and will let Hillary take the nom, But she is handicapped.

Hillary does not inspire enthusiasm, in fact she inspires nausea,because;

She did nothing in the senate but name a post office, a street and a school. She is only known for corruption and corporate loyalties, a bad marriage and a shady Foundation. No one has faith in her decision making or leadership abilities.Congress will not support her ideas or legislation any more than Obama's, in fact, most of the Dems wont support her.World leaders consider her a non-entity.

She cannot defend herself against Trumps exaggerations. He is a master at creating doubt. She is a master of only revenge.Her lies are sooooo obvious, Trump lies plant seeds of doubt.

Trump has a record of successes when Hillary has known so many defeats.

No, I do not admire Trump- hes a sick man who hates women, minorities and equality. Yet the hard fact is he inspires voters to show up- Hillary doesn't.

Bernie is a good man, has no criminal past, inspires men, women, minorities, reasonable repubs, dems and most of the Independents. He can defend against anything Trump throws at him, cant be baited, and isnt unknown. Congress will listen because he knows their skeletons. Even if he just gets the ball rolling on his issues, its better than Hillary's corporate loyalties, and general ignorance of reality.

I have lived all over the world. With either Hill or Trump, I see the US becoming even more of a tar pit, dragging everyone down, infrastructure and environment wont be addressed, it will bring the extinction of mankind over the edge

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:52 PM

114. Wait, what do iphones signify again?

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:54 PM

116. Oh yes, that's exactly what Bernie was. A candidate of Reddit. WOW.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:56 PM

118. "Previously banned", huh?

Well, that's a shocker.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #118)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:09 AM

137. if at first you don't succeed...TM apparently worked at perfecting his/her craft...



ala Wesley: 'see ya...wouldn't want to be ya...'

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:38 AM

139. Reddit consistently overestimates its relevance in the real world.

 

They are the "front page" of the Internet's emo diary, and that's about it.

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Response to TMontoya (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

144. I don't think Sanders won 18 states with only the votes of Reddit users. NT

NT

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