Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:25 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
These have NEVER been democratic ideals.
The Third Way has proven to me that the mantra of "By the people, for the people" where democracy is considered is long dead. Oligarchy; corporate bribery and graft running rampant-- and you want us to support this. I present to you "the real progressive candidate"-- read as immense doubt placed on the entirety of that quote; considering I never knew warmongering and corporatist kowtowing counted for progressivism. The Third Way is not about "by the people, for the people", it's about "from the people, to the corporations". I didn't enlist to fight for a bunch of coprophilic plutocrats. And that is what you want to deliver us to.
Foreign Policy Iraq http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/hillarys-pro-iraq-war-vot_b_9112232.html Syria http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/hillary-clinton-isis-strategy-ground-troops-airstrikes-no-fly-zone-syria Libya http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&_r=0 Saudi Arabia [y'know, the people who made ISIS's brand of Islam] http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/01/10/445291/US-Hillary-Clinton-Saudi-Arabia-/ Honduras http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/exclusive_hillary_clinton_sold_out_honduras_lanny_davis_corporate_cash_and_the_real_story_about_the_death_of_a_latin_america_democracy/ Colombia http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068 Offering federal contracts to Blackwater of all people (Y'know, those people that Chelsea Manning, God help her, leaked had been involved with child sex trafficking)
Social Policy TPP Support https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160129/23451533466/hillary-clinton-flip-flopped-tpp-before-so-big-business-lobbyists-are-confident-shell-really-flip-back-after-election.shtml Destruction of internet freedom http://www.salon.com/2011/12/09/hillary_clinton_and_internet_freedom/ Manhattan Project against encryption http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/ PATRIOT Act support https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton Secure Fence Act https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton H-1B Visa support Corporatist Tax Loopholes
![]() To quote a more intelligent, more prolific poster than I: "I imagine I'll be leaving a lot of races unmarked from here on out. But if I want nothing to do with most of the people who post here in support of foreign wars, undeclared war drone strikes, voter suppression as long as it works in their favour, spying on all Americans, sending those who bring government misdeeds to light to jail, sacrificing the poor in 'grand bargains' or 'reforms', keeping the minimum wage lower than it has to be, fracking all over the world, pushing unlabeled GMO food into every part of the food supply, toppling left wing foreign governments through military coups, and a host of other issues that seem to have been embraced by the modern Democratic Party, well, then, it's time for me to quit 'polluting' the Democratic Party with my presence, in either primary or general elections. So congrats to all of those who spent their time writing sneering comments about myself and others not being 'real Democrats', who were angry because I and others like me dared to support a candidate who actually believed in the ideals the Democratic Party used to believe in, who wanted to stop all injustices, not just those that won votes. You made it a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm not a Democrat of any sort any more, and never again will be. Enjoy your ever-shrinking tent."
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Author | Time | Post |
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VulgarPoet | Apr 2016 | OP |
Scuba | Apr 2016 | #1 | |
VulgarPoet | Apr 2016 | #2 | |
Baitball Blogger | Apr 2016 | #4 | |
Joob | Apr 2016 | #3 | |
Orsino | Apr 2016 | #6 | |
Art_from_Ark | Apr 2016 | #8 | |
My Good Babushka | Apr 2016 | #5 | |
actslikeacarrot | Apr 2016 | #7 | |
Cobalt Violet | Apr 2016 | #9 | |
JudyM | Apr 2016 | #10 | |
casperthegm | Apr 2016 | #11 | |
DookDook | Apr 2016 | #12 | |
casperthegm | Apr 2016 | #13 | |
felix_numinous | Apr 2016 | #14 | |
RiverLover | Apr 2016 | #15 | |
amborin | Apr 2016 | #16 | |
Barack_America | Apr 2016 | #17 |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:31 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
1. Not a pretty picture, so I expect Hillary's supporters will ...
... either ignore this thread or try to distract from it with replies like "Bernie loves the NRA" and "Bernie voted to fund the war."
It's impossible for me to ignore this factual history of Hillary Clinton. Having our country faced with a choice between her and Trump wipes out virtually all the hope I've had for our people. |
Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:33 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
2. I hope they alert swarm me, tbh.
If any randomly selected jury could find to hide this, that just proves everything I've come to believe about the So-Called Democratic Party over the past four months.
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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
Baitball Blogger (37,750 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure the Independents are well read on this history.
What is happening this election term is the opposite of the Dukakis election. The super-delegate fix might be a trap.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:37 AM
Joob (1,065 posts)
3. It feels like one Democrat is running this election
You can perceive that as who you want. Still not good, because after watching this election. I lost a lot of respect for the DNC.
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Response to Joob (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:03 AM
Orsino (37,416 posts)
6. Citizens United kills democracies dead. n/t
Response to Joob (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:36 AM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
8. I have lost ALL respect for the DNC
If I make any donations, it will be to individual candidates, especially the ones who try to adhere to the ideals of Robert Kennedy.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:01 AM
My Good Babushka (2,710 posts)
5. Her record on arms proliferation
and her reckless, brutal use of proxy wars are pretty hard to condone, let alone celebrate. It may be a democratic administration run by Clinton that will bring us closer to nuclear war than we've been in a generation.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:32 AM
actslikeacarrot (464 posts)
7. K&R. Great post! N/T
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:38 AM
Cobalt Violet (9,581 posts)
9. The tent will be as small as the repubs before they went totally insane.
I doesn't represent me any more. The party has changed not me. I still stand for what I have all along.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:42 AM
JudyM (20,148 posts)
10. Wishing everyone in the upcoming primaries/caucuses would read this.
Thanks for pulling it together, VulgarPoet!
![]() We can bet money that if she wins she will try to restrict Internet freedom after the headaches it created for her in spreading the Truth and the Revolution. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:47 AM
casperthegm (643 posts)
11. The Democratic Party has fallen to an all time low of 29%
And they just go on about their business, as if they don't see a problem. And I don't think they do. No matter how many facts you throw at them. That was a solid op, with plenty of facts that show that HRC and party have gone astray. And that's largely why people are leaving the party. They either don't get it or don't care. Sad.
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Response to casperthegm (Reply #11)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:24 AM
DookDook (166 posts)
12. This how I think a lot of people are viewing life right now.
![]() I remember six months ago wondering how the Democratic party was going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Here they were a party of adults as the Republicans were doing their best imitation of governance. And now look at us today. I really can't believe that I have to argue with people that fracking, selling war, capital punishment, Drill baby Drill, are not what Democrats stand for. I didn't leave the party, the party left me. |
Response to DookDook (Reply #12)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:44 AM
casperthegm (643 posts)
13. apparently is now is what the Democratic party stands for
I'd been a Dem for life until a month ago. When the heck did the party take on all of those historically Republican platforms as their own?
So yes, the party has left us, taking on many issues formerly exclusive to the Republican Party. That is one sad fact. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:47 PM
felix_numinous (5,198 posts)
14. These were never AMERICAN ideals
people for peace, human rights, fiscal responsibility and ecological protection used to exist in the Republican party too. The 1% have politicized issues that never before belonged to one party or another. Because human rights are supposed to be inalienable rights.
Now anyone going along with this new violent cult is considered Democratic, while resisting it is extremist, and just like every other country taken over by these neo cons, they demonize 'leftists', which is just another word for anyone not going along with their robbery and violence. Overcoming this requires conviction, focus and special skills to match the skills these people have. Once you step out of the manufactured reality they are projecting, you see giant enthusiastic crowds--this is the only thing that is real, that we outnumber them, and if we had an election with paper ballots, we would win and everyone knows it. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:27 PM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
15. Thank you. She is a republican. Clear as day.
A DINO, making the entire party Democrat In Name Only. Sad times.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:47 PM
amborin (16,631 posts)
16. K&R Excellent compilation
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:23 PM
Barack_America (28,876 posts)
17. K&R.
At least recognize who you're "with".
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