Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:47 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
Hillary's Superdelegates should stop whining...Well, here’s my assessment. Clinton remains comfortably ahead of Sanders in pledged delegates stemming from primaries and caucuses, and she’s winning the popular vote as well. But Clinton’s early stockpile of superdelegate support helped bestow upon her an early air of inevitability, which in turn bolstered her general election electability acumen and contributed to the sense that her primary opponent was too marginal for prime time. This conveyed to Sanders supporters the clear sense that the system is rigged — which is fair because, as Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC remind us by their actions and words, it is.
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Human101948 | Apr 2016 | OP |
JaneyVee | Apr 2016 | #1 | |
morningfog | Apr 2016 | #5 | |
JaneyVee | Apr 2016 | #6 | |
morningfog | Apr 2016 | #33 | |
puffy socks | Apr 2016 | #51 | |
morningfog | Apr 2016 | #53 | |
HooptieWagon | Apr 2016 | #52 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2016 | #35 | |
morningfog | Apr 2016 | #37 | |
Blue_Adept | Apr 2016 | #2 | |
CentralCoaster | Apr 2016 | #55 | |
Blue_Adept | Apr 2016 | #57 | |
Setsuna1972 | Apr 2016 | #3 | |
ismnotwasm | Apr 2016 | #4 | |
moriah | Apr 2016 | #7 | |
Human101948 | Apr 2016 | #10 | |
moriah | Apr 2016 | #14 | |
Human101948 | Apr 2016 | #24 | |
moriah | Apr 2016 | #39 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2016 | #8 | |
Thinkingabout | Apr 2016 | #9 | |
Blue_Adept | Apr 2016 | #16 | |
Thinkingabout | Apr 2016 | #17 | |
Blue_Adept | Apr 2016 | #18 | |
Thinkingabout | Apr 2016 | #26 | |
vdogg | Apr 2016 | #19 | |
Blue_Adept | Apr 2016 | #22 | |
Fresh_Start | Apr 2016 | #11 | |
Human101948 | Apr 2016 | #25 | |
Fresh_Start | Apr 2016 | #31 | |
Lizzie Poppet | Apr 2016 | #48 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2016 | #38 | |
Fresh_Start | Apr 2016 | #50 | |
FSogol | Apr 2016 | #12 | |
Post removed | Apr 2016 | #13 | |
CrowCityDem | Apr 2016 | #15 | |
Human101948 | Apr 2016 | #23 | |
sufrommich | Apr 2016 | #20 | |
Human101948 | Apr 2016 | #27 | |
sufrommich | Apr 2016 | #28 | |
Human101948 | Apr 2016 | #29 | |
Tarc | Apr 2016 | #21 | |
all american girl | Apr 2016 | #30 | |
aikoaiko | Apr 2016 | #32 | |
book_worm | Apr 2016 | #34 | |
Gwhittey | Apr 2016 | #43 | |
RandySF | Apr 2016 | #36 | |
IamMab | Apr 2016 | #40 | |
Gwhittey | Apr 2016 | #42 | |
IamMab | Apr 2016 | #44 | |
Gwhittey | Apr 2016 | #45 | |
IamMab | Apr 2016 | #46 | |
Gwhittey | Apr 2016 | #47 | |
Orsino | Apr 2016 | #41 | |
Dr Hobbitstein | Apr 2016 | #49 | |
leftofcool | Apr 2016 | #54 | |
Gothmog | Apr 2016 | #56 |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:48 AM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
1. Stop whining about threats against them?
So youre saying they should be silenced?
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:52 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
5. They could publicly vow to abstain from casting their undemocratic weighted vote.
Response to morningfog (Reply #5)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:55 AM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
6. Why, they are citizens of US and have free speech.
Who else should be silenced? How about these loons just stop threatening them instead. That sounds like the more sane option.
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
33. Who said anything about silencing them.
I don't condone threats of violence, but do support lobbying by the people unless and until the superdelegates give up their undemocratic role.
They should not be entitled to the weighted undemocratic vote they have. |
Response to morningfog (Reply #33)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:48 AM
puffy socks (1,473 posts)
51. It's the Democratic Party
They make up the rules. If you don't like them, form your own party. The reason Sanders didn't run as an Independent is because he didn't have the backing. The hard work had already been done by the DNC. He used them and now his supporters demand we change the party for them .
I find that incredibly cocky. Get help from the very people you spent years bashing and then take over their party. |
Response to puffy socks (Reply #51)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:16 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
53. The vast majority of his supporters are registered Democrats.
So drop that line.
As I life long Dem, I have always held disdain for super delegates. They should be done away with. |
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:52 AM
HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)
52. Free speech for superdelegates, but not for Sanders supporters?
Looks like a plutocracy you're supporting. Not only hypocritical, but highly elitist.
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Response to morningfog (Reply #5)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
pnwmom (107,988 posts)
35. They should absolutely not give in to threats. n/t
Response to pnwmom (Reply #35)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:50 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
37. No, but they should absolutely not have the weighted undemocratic power they do.
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:49 AM
Blue_Adept (6,357 posts)
2. Yes, people being harassed should stop whining
and just suck it up. They're asking for it, after all, by being superdelegates, which most became by working for the party for decades.
Ungrateful lot they are. |
Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #2)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:38 AM
CentralCoaster (1,163 posts)
55. Voters are the ones being harrassed her, not superdelegates who if they had a shred of integrity...
...would be sensitive to their constituents' needs and not be bullies with their privileges.
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Response to CentralCoaster (Reply #55)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:05 PM
Blue_Adept (6,357 posts)
57. I hope you didn't fall down from spinning so much
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:52 AM
Setsuna1972 (332 posts)
3. How would you feel
If supporters of a losing candidate were harassing and threatening you 24/7 ??? Are you advocating this illegal behavior just to get some more votes for your guy ?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:55 AM
moriah (8,311 posts)
7. Yeah, having negative Yelps on a lawyer just because they are a SD.
Great way to make friends and influence them, but hopefully they will not blame Bernie for the actions of his few overzealous supporters.
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Response to moriah (Reply #7)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:58 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
10. There you go...
And you can make it even more fair by saying a few "overzealous" supporters. Those few are acting like assholes just as there are a few Hillary supporters, some even on DU, who are "overzealous."
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Response to Human101948 (Reply #10)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:03 AM
moriah (8,311 posts)
14. Thanks, I actually will go back and add few.
I have always attempted to speak here with civility and fairness. The fact I've yet to get a hide (and at least not told of any alert) is hopefully proof I'm being successful.
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Response to moriah (Reply #14)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:19 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
24. You record is still sterling...
Thanks. We all tend to use overly broad brushes.
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Response to Human101948 (Reply #24)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:51 AM
moriah (8,311 posts)
39. I promise it wasn't intentional.
Thanks for calling the few ones doing that crap "assholes" for me, though.
![]() I felt "overzealous" to be diplomatic and therefore appropriate as an admitted Hillary supporter. But I agree with your assessment of those very few crossing major lines (like threats). |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:57 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
8. This is a lot more than "....getting an unwelcome phone call during dinner."
Threatened, Rep. Jim McDermott armed himself – with a shovel
Charges: Bernie Sanders supporter threatened to cut out Seattle congressman’s tongue A Seattle man accused of threatening to cut out U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott’s tongue now faces felony charges. King County prosecutors claim Jasper K. Bell made the threat because he was upset that McDermott, D-Seattle, was supporting Hilary Clinton for president. Currently jailed, Bell, 27, has been charged with intimidating a public servant and telephone harassment. Bell had been fixated on McDermott for some time before the April 22 incident that saw him charged, Senior Deputy Prosecutor Susan Storey said in court paper. Bell is alleged to have made threatening calls to McDermott before arriving at his Seattle office that day. http://www.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/Threatened-Rep-Jim-McDermott-armed-himself-7381914.php |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:58 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
9. Super delegates whining, if they are complaining about the barrage of harassment
To get them to change their endorsement then their complaints are valid. It is their free choice. Accept the fact they are endorsing the most qualified candidate running.
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:05 AM
Blue_Adept (6,357 posts)
16. really, think about the language you're using
"Women, if they are complaining about the barrage of harassment
To get them to change their clothing then their complaints are valid. It is their free choice. " More blame the victim phrasing. |
Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #16)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:11 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
17. Don't attempt to rewrite my post, I don't need your help.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #17)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:12 AM
Blue_Adept (6,357 posts)
18. Feel free to keep sounding like you're bashing victims then
Cause that's all you're doing, showing zero empathy that supposed liberals and progressives are supposed to have.
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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #16)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:15 AM
vdogg (1,384 posts)
19. I think you read that wrong.
They're saying the super delegates complaints ARE valid. Not blaming the victim, supporting the victim.
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Response to vdogg (Reply #19)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
Blue_Adept (6,357 posts)
22. Perhaps
It's hard to tell since it's mixed in with so many other victim-blaming posts by others in this thread that it reads the same way.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:01 AM
Fresh_Start (11,327 posts)
11. Its not a FEW bernie supporters
Did you see the story where Warren got 9000 threats?
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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #11)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:21 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
25. You are claiming that 9000 Bernie supporters threatened Warren?
I find that hard to believe.
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Response to Human101948 (Reply #25)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:43 AM
Fresh_Start (11,327 posts)
31. They also threatened to primary her
Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #31)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:24 AM
Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)
48. Well, I'm certainly doing my best to primary Kate Brown here in Oregon for her endorsement.
No apologies for that, either...
It'll be tough...but Julian Bell is the better candidate for a progressive, anyway. |
Response to Human101948 (Reply #25)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:50 AM
pnwmom (107,988 posts)
38. I find it easy to believe. They would feel especially betrayed by her. nt
Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:43 AM
Fresh_Start (11,327 posts)
50. In the anonymity of the internet
you can really see people's character
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:01 AM
FSogol (44,454 posts)
12. So, anyone that is being harrassed should just STFU?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:03 AM
CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)
15. Fair is fair; Bernie fans should stop whining that he lost.
Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #15)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:17 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
23. It seems you are doing all the whining...
– this most famous Santayana’s quote on fanaticism... The fanatics multiply their emotions in the realization of something that does not serve a worthy cause in the long run. They give up the realization of a given ideal in a positive way, which is building, attracting, and developing; instead, they attack and destroy in a brutal way the objects and humans that symbolize or represent the rivalling ideology, religion, and lifestyle.
http://www.chrisskowronski.com/santayana-on-fanaticism/ |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
20. We've had super delegates since the 1980s, how many
times have superdelegates been threatened with a hit list? Stalked,demonized and called obscene names by the super fans of a losing candidate?
http://fortune.com/2016/04/28/clinton-sanders-superdelegates-harassed/ How about threatening to cut a superdelegates tongue out? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107119664 Your candidate knew going in that he was joining a process that includes superdelegates,in fact his campaign manager is one of the architects of the superdelegates system: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511374709 When your candidate realized he wasn't going to win the nomination by popular vote,he very cynically started trying to flip superdelegates to his side: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/28/sanderss-plan-to-win-nomination-by-flipping-super-delegates-is-a-long-shot/ Now that that doesn't seem to be happening,he's ramping up rhetoric that demonized them to the extent that some of his supporters are reacting violently while he looks the other way. This attempt to paint real,nasty harassment as deserved is sickening. The fact that the Sanders campaign is now trying to paint this as "they asked for it" is sickening and pathetically desperate. |
Response to sufrommich (Reply #20)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:28 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
27. Well, I guess that settles it...Bernie is a crass, murderous politician...
and Hillary should be beatified.
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Response to Human101948 (Reply #27)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:29 AM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
28. Deflection noted. nt
Response to sufrommich (Reply #28)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:30 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
29. You made the case that Bernie was totally responsible
I just agreed.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
Tarc (10,382 posts)
21. Superdelegates are complaining about harassment, not simple phone calls
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:36 AM
all american girl (1,788 posts)
30. So threatening physical violence is OK?
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:44 AM
aikoaiko (33,526 posts)
32. Yep, the endorse early, endorse often, or be punished message was sent out.
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
book_worm (15,951 posts)
34. Yes, how dare they complain about death threats and intimidation! You do understand
that these Bernie supporters who are doing these things are not doing him any favors, don't you? They are acting just as bad as tea partiers.
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Response to book_worm (Reply #34)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:13 AM
Gwhittey (1,377 posts)
43. It is fine to complain about threats.
But to say it is Bernie Supporters is insane. It is the internet. Example someone claims they are 18 year old sends you this pic
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:49 AM
RandySF (46,369 posts)
36. And Daniel DEvir is an asshat.
He is now blaming the targets of threats.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:51 AM
IamMab (1,359 posts)
40. Salon has yet to meet the white male anti-Clinton author that they WON'T publish.
Daniel Denvir is just another member of the BernieBro Caucus over at Salon.
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Response to IamMab (Reply #40)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:06 AM
Gwhittey (1,377 posts)
42. Post like this
And how some use race/sexist card on a group of Sanders supporters is why GOP say liberals pull card all time. You use it for stupid reasons just to use it. Then when actual crap happens it is ignored because you all cried wolf so much. Trying to say Sanders is racist/sexist is insane. and just cheap ploy to win a primary. It already is happening. Trump is making a run at Hillary claiming only reason she has votes was because she is a women. And media are basically ignoring it because Clinton and her surrogates have been crying sexism since start of the primary.
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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #42)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:15 AM
IamMab (1,359 posts)
44. Nice strawman argument, but I never said what you're saying that I did.
Please, quote where I said that Sanders was "racist/sexist." I'll wait.
Oh, right, you can't, because my post didn't mention Sanders, at all. At. All. Learn how to argue properly, because as you are now, you're doing it wrong. |
Response to IamMab (Reply #44)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:20 AM
Gwhittey (1,377 posts)
45. white male anti-Clinton.
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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #45)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:21 AM
IamMab (1,359 posts)
46. That was in reference to the authors, not the candidate. Want to try again after that failure? nt
Response to IamMab (Reply #46)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:23 AM
Gwhittey (1,377 posts)
47. Want to try again after that failure?
No
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:52 AM
Orsino (37,428 posts)
41. They aren't new to politics...
...but some may be surprised by the strength of ant-woodchuck sentiment in the air.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:29 AM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
49. Yeah, they should totes give those bullies their lunch money.
Fucking assholes. Anyone threatening/harassing a SD is a childish bully. Reminds me of those gamergate assholes.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:26 AM
leftofcool (19,460 posts)
54. Oh please. Death threats are not funny!
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:41 AM
Gothmog (130,385 posts)