2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum33% of Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary
according to a nearly two-month-old NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/poll-33-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-120220441.html
Do we have any actual hard numbers that are more recent?
(I've seen a number of articles, from random blogs to articles published in more highly-respected sources, that quote surveys of Democrats specifically. But are there are any recent surveys that have asked respondents of all stripes who are Bernie supporters what their plans are?)
Democrats should nominate the candidate who stands the best chances of prevailing in November. He or she will need independents, as well as self-identified Democrats, to do that.
msongs
(67,381 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)How that happens when you restrict the vote
reformist2
(9,841 posts)They seem blissfully unconcerned how poorly she does whenever the primary is opened up to independents. I guess they'll worry about that later...
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)who dis independents daily and think that will help her, lol
tritsofme
(17,373 posts)sour grapes and have decided to act like sore losers? No, I don't think we'll take that plan.
qdouble
(891 posts)Once you factor in the ones who may turn around when the primary ends and Bernie endorses Hillary....then you factor in the republicans that won't vote for Trump, it shouldn't be a big issue regardless. Bernie or Busters will just be a small minority of dems and shouldn't prevent Hillary from beating Trump.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)There's actually more Hillary supporters who wouldn't vote for Bernie than the other way around. Bernie supporters who wouldn't vote for Hillary hovers around 10-15%
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Heck, some of these recent exit polls haven't even been representative of the elections they were taken during/immediately after.
qdouble
(891 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Oh wait. Silly me... you won't be voting either way. That's why your opinion is so respected.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Thought he was referring to the fact that if The Donald wins, we are all fucked!
No?
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)as were fucked if either Hillary or Trump wins?
dhol82
(9,352 posts)No offense.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts).
byyiminy
(39 posts)I'm doing the exact same!
Hey Sid:
onenote
(42,683 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Response to TheDormouse (Original post)
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synergie
(1,901 posts)Her name is Hillary Clinton and despite what old polls of non-Democrats and Libertarians might say, anyone who is actually progressive and has any actual concern for this country will be voting Blue in November.
Independents and Republicans horrified by who is running on the GOP ticket have also been saying pretty clearly that this year, it's criminal to not vote, or to vote in such a way as to allow Trump/Cruz/Kasich to win.
Independents, and I am one, have also been saying that they'll vote for the sane candidate in November. There are also a lot of people getting ever more disgusted with Bernie, his dishonest campaign and the sheer nastiness that's being exposed daily as they fail to stick to issues and continue on with the offensive, dishonest attacks that sound like the RW smears that they are. He's allowing himself to be used as a weapon by Trump, who he sounds very much like in a lot of his rhetoric.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Sanders supporters are liberal Democrats and left-leaning Independants. Even if she manages to hold on to most liberal Democrats (let's say 75%), she will lose a majority of the independant Sanders supporters. Very possible she could lose 50% or more of total Sanders supporters.
mucifer
(23,522 posts)Ron Green
(9,822 posts)If she were to adopt Bernie's climate change plan word-for-word, I'd be willing to listen to other assertions from her.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)They won't want to risk a President Trump, and when Bernie endorses and campaigns for Hillary most of his supporters will end up doing the right thing.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)by the candidate. No mystery. And no need to pine for them. Would be a loss for the Democratic party. That's IF there isn't a unity ticket. Just my humble opinion.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)However, I think when November actually rolled around, they'd vote for anyone who was not Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.
No proof. JMHO.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Some Bernie supporters self-identify as independents. (And a few are even Republicans.)
rock
(13,218 posts)But, and as the saying goes, I have a great big but, a self-identified Independent would have to tell the pollster that he was for Bernie or none of this makes any sense! (and as I said you could be right.)
rock
(13,218 posts)25% Republicans voters will vote for Clinton if she is the Dem candidate and Trump is the Rep candidate from a previously published poll.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)met a republican that would cast a vote for Hillary.
rock
(13,218 posts)Actual testimony of an anecdotal variety. Thanks. I'm convinced.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)In the last 20 years.
rock
(13,218 posts)That your opinion is worthless. But please continue.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)We will win without Puma's.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Emotions are high and as time goes on common sense will prevail. The histrionics on both sides is becoming seriously tiresome
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)33% of them wouldn't vote for Bernie if he got the nomination. They will do as in the past and sit at home and then complain.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)sit this one out.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Not worried.