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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:33 PM

33% of Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary

according to a nearly two-month-old NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/poll-33-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-120220441.html

Do we have any actual hard numbers that are more recent?

(I've seen a number of articles, from random blogs to articles published in more highly-respected sources, that quote surveys of Democrats specifically. But are there are any recent surveys that have asked respondents of all stripes who are Bernie supporters what their plans are?)

Democrats should nominate the candidate who stands the best chances of prevailing in November. He or she will need independents, as well as self-identified Democrats, to do that.

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Reply 33% of Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary (Original post)
TheDormouse Apr 2016 OP
msongs Apr 2016 #1
Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #3
reformist2 Apr 2016 #19
Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #20
larkrake Apr 2016 #34
Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #2
tritsofme Apr 2016 #4
qdouble Apr 2016 #5
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #12
qdouble Apr 2016 #21
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #42
qdouble Apr 2016 #43
JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #6
SidDithers Apr 2016 #7
cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #16
dhol82 Apr 2016 #29
Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #33
dhol82 Apr 2016 #38
Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #40
byyiminy Apr 2016 #46
onenote Apr 2016 #8
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #9
grossproffit Apr 2016 #24
CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #10
synergie Apr 2016 #11
grossproffit Apr 2016 #25
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #13
mucifer Apr 2016 #14
Ron Green Apr 2016 #15
Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #17
riversedge Apr 2016 #23
seabeyond Apr 2016 #18
silvershadow Apr 2016 #22
Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #26
DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #27
rock Apr 2016 #28
TheDormouse May 2016 #47
rock May 2016 #48
rock Apr 2016 #30
Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #35
rock Apr 2016 #36
Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #39
rock Apr 2016 #41
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #31
tymorial Apr 2016 #32
tonyt53 Apr 2016 #37
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #45
Tarc Apr 2016 #44

Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:36 PM

1. once again, bernie is coming in third in vote totals. two people are more likely to win than him nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:38 PM

3. Interesting

 

How that happens when you restrict the vote

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:53 PM

19. All Hillary has done, really, is win among the most die-hard party loyalists.


They seem blissfully unconcerned how poorly she does whenever the primary is opened up to independents. I guess they'll worry about that later...

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:59 PM

20. Yes indeed

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:31 PM

34. Thats not true. Indy votes make him #1

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:37 PM

2. Well there are many here

 

who dis independents daily and think that will help her, lol

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:38 PM

4. So you are saying we should award the nomination to the loser because his supporters have

sour grapes and have decided to act like sore losers? No, I don't think we'll take that plan.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:39 PM

5. Most recent polling puts it around 15% or less...

Once you factor in the ones who may turn around when the primary ends and Bernie endorses Hillary....then you factor in the republicans that won't vote for Trump, it shouldn't be a big issue regardless. Bernie or Busters will just be a small minority of dems and shouldn't prevent Hillary from beating Trump.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:44 PM

12. sources please -- anybody can make up numbers

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:03 PM

21. Check the exit polls

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls

There's actually more Hillary supporters who wouldn't vote for Bernie than the other way around. Bernie supporters who wouldn't vote for Hillary hovers around 10-15%

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Response to qdouble (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:13 PM

42. Primary voters are not representative of the general population

Heck, some of these recent exit polls haven't even been representative of the elections they were taken during/immediately after.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:03 PM

43. either way, anyone who is saying that Hillary is in trouble against Trump isn't basing it on data

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:40 PM

6. Will Nader be on the ballot?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:41 PM

7. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:49 PM

16. So for you the choice is head-on collision or drive off a cliff.

 

Oh wait. Silly me... you won't be voting either way. That's why your opinion is so respected.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:22 PM

29. Oh, so sorry

Thought he was referring to the fact that if The Donald wins, we are all fucked!

No?

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:30 PM

33. What if I view it...

 

as were fucked if either Hillary or Trump wins?

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Response to Buddyblazon (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:58 PM

38. Always nice to talk to a Bernie supporter

No offense.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:15 PM

40. You didn't answer my question....

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:10 PM

46. Really? Sid isn't voting neither for Trump or Clinton?

 

I'm doing the exact same!

Hey Sid:

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:41 PM

8. Not the first time people in the heat of battle have said things that ended up being untrue.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:42 PM

9. Think it's higher than that percentage.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:16 PM

24. I'd say it's much, much lower. Social media and this forum aren't good gauges of reality.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:43 PM

11. Democrats are nominating the candidate who stands the best chances of winning in Nov.

 

Her name is Hillary Clinton and despite what old polls of non-Democrats and Libertarians might say, anyone who is actually progressive and has any actual concern for this country will be voting Blue in November.

Independents and Republicans horrified by who is running on the GOP ticket have also been saying pretty clearly that this year, it's criminal to not vote, or to vote in such a way as to allow Trump/Cruz/Kasich to win.

Independents, and I am one, have also been saying that they'll vote for the sane candidate in November. There are also a lot of people getting ever more disgusted with Bernie, his dishonest campaign and the sheer nastiness that's being exposed daily as they fail to stick to issues and continue on with the offensive, dishonest attacks that sound like the RW smears that they are. He's allowing himself to be used as a weapon by Trump, who he sounds very much like in a lot of his rhetoric.

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Response to synergie (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:17 PM

25. Nailed it!

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:44 PM

13. At a minimum.

 

Sanders supporters are liberal Democrats and left-leaning Independants. Even if she manages to hold on to most liberal Democrats (let's say 75%), she will lose a majority of the independant Sanders supporters. Very possible she could lose 50% or more of total Sanders supporters.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:48 PM

14. Let the dust settle. It's been pretty ugly.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:48 PM

15. I'm still undecided about voting for her.

If she were to adopt Bernie's climate change plan word-for-word, I'd be willing to listen to other assertions from her.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:51 PM

17. Meh. Lots of huffing and puffing from disappointed people right now. But they'll come around.

They won't want to risk a President Trump, and when Bernie endorses and campaigns for Hillary most of his supporters will end up doing the right thing.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:14 PM

23. I also think more will come around.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:53 PM

18. Sitting at 17% New York Primary. PUMA 2016. Nt

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:11 PM

22. The reason is they are would-be Democratic voters who will have been turned away

 

by the candidate. No mystery. And no need to pine for them. Would be a loss for the Democratic party. That's IF there isn't a unity ticket. Just my humble opinion.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:17 PM

26. My guess is that s substantial number of Hillary supporters would say they won't vote for Sanders

However, I think when November actually rolled around, they'd vote for anyone who was not Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.

No proof. JMHO.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:17 PM

27. *83% Of Clinton 08 primary voters voted for Barack Obama in 2008.

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Response to rock (Reply #28)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:10 PM

47. I can't tell from that poll if they were asking all-comers or just Dems

Some Bernie supporters self-identify as independents. (And a few are even Republicans.)

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #47)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:17 PM

48. Of course you could be right from what they say

But, and as the saying goes, I have a great big but, a self-identified Independent would have to tell the pollster that he was for Bernie or none of this makes any sense! (and as I said you could be right.)

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:22 PM

30. Also I should point out that

25% Republicans voters will vote for Clinton if she is the Dem candidate and Trump is the Rep candidate from a previously published poll.

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Response to rock (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:33 PM

35. I don't think I've ever in all my years...

 

met a republican that would cast a vote for Hillary.

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Response to Buddyblazon (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:37 PM

36. Well, that settles it

Actual testimony of an anecdotal variety. Thanks. I'm convinced.

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Response to rock (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:14 PM

39. Apparently someone hasn't talked to or met any republicans....

 

In the last 20 years.

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Response to Buddyblazon (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:45 PM

41. I'm convinced I tell you

That your opinion is worthless. But please continue.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:23 PM

31. So they want Trump. Some Republicans agree with them.

We will win without Puma's.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:25 PM

32. It is April 30th

Emotions are high and as time goes on common sense will prevail. The histrionics on both sides is becoming seriously tiresome

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:51 PM

37. Probably so

 

33% of them wouldn't vote for Bernie if he got the nomination. They will do as in the past and sit at home and then complain.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:56 PM

45. "sit at home"--probably right, but the Dem nominee will need independents to not

sit this one out.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:27 PM

44. It'll drop to ~2% by the fall, sometimes the Bitter Bettys take awhile to pass thru the system

Not worried.

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