Seems to me that most of you don't get it

[hootinholler]

To my beloved Berners, a lot of you don't get it! From the gloom and doom woe is me tone of what I'm seeing, man get with the program, eh?

To Camp Weathervane judging by your gloating and passive aggressive don't gloat, oh, hell it was pretty fucking clear from the start of Bernie's campaign that all y'all don't get it.

It's actually pretty fucking simple. That is, the it that your not getting:

Bernie's campaign is about putting a progressive in the white house, and a progressive majority in the Congress

We intend to put Bernie in the white house in this election. That's a yuuuge task. We are running a hard and enthusiastic campaign. We might not get it accomplished this election, but there is still a path. So what if we don't? Bernie has never even insinuated that we will should stop. Win or lose the nomination, or the Presidency, where has he said that will be enough?

We. Will. Not. Stop. You best get used to it. Ain't going nowhere.

The worst case in this cycle is there are a few progressives that will do well and get into Congress. People will notice their success. Do you think that anyone in the DNC, DLC of yore, or upper echelon wanted to be responding to calls for single payer before Bernie ran? I don't remember it. I remember that Social Security was on the table no so long ago. It's now once again the third rail of American politic and someone who is not Bernie was recently talking about the need to strengthen it. We the people have had a taste of what a moral leader that has some foresight could be, and damn that shit is tasty!

We have defined the issues in this election cycle. You have to respect that. The big guns do, which is why they are fighting us tooth and nail.

The message for everyone to absorb once you chill the fuck out and think about things, is that we are the future of the Democratic party and if the party fails us, we have hit the critical mass to take our ball and form our own party which doesn't play Calvinball with nominees.

We who recognize that we are the future know that we are one, maybe if we're lucky, two generations away from that habitability tipping point. There is only one candidate who takes it seriously. That by itself is worth making him large and in charge because we have to act yesterday on this.

So you are left with a choice. You can embrace us wholly and get on board turning our country back into the heartland where we care for each other or you can tell us to fuck off and be crushed in the future.

Remember we were told that the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice.

I have no doubt that we will accomplish our goal of having a level field, where we invest in people first. Where bombs are the final resort. I have no doubt we will prevail.

Now it's on the California where we can improve our position in this primary tremendously. I for one am feeling good.

[onecaliberal]

1. K&R

[NurseJackie]

2. This is why y'all are losing. Absolute certainty to the exclusion of all other possibilities ...

... and ideas; along with condescending dismissal of anyone who disagrees or has a different opinion; demanding respect when none is offered in return; hypersensitivity; over-aggressiveness; smearing the party; dismissing entire regions; attacking civil rights icons; and bad math.

Not all y'all, but it's loudest ones who get the attention and it makes people be like ...

[KPN]

6. My you have a warped perception.

Smoke a joint, chill out.

[hootinholler]

45. LOL

Project much?

[Dem2]

56. It's always the loudest ones on both sides

The internet isn't about those having an average day, it's about those who woke up pissed off that day.

[earthshine]

68. I have never seen a post by you that was in any way constructive.

Your post doesn't even address the OP.

You are someone who doesn't get it.

[lostnfound]

102. Alternatively 35 years of rightwing-billionaire-funded ideological think tanks

That have convinced the masses to think they aren't entitled to a decent lifestyle or good government.

The bankrupt unemployed poor neighbor telling me "I like rich people cuz they give us all the jobs".

[bkkyosemite]

109. NurseJackie you are one of the loud ones...going to check my blood pressure now.

[CobaltBlue]

112. Hello, Nurse Jackie!

Thank you for giving Democratic Underground its best Republican posts!

[uponit7771]

120. +1

[Spacedog1973]

3. So what you are saying is

Incremental change is good. Well, about time you came around to getting on board with the Democratic party's values.

Lets be clear though, Barnie is not getting in the Whitehouse, not this election and certainly not the next. There is no 'critical mass' to form an individual party because your movement is ragtag and bobtail: Its made of the privileged who often can't be bothered to register and vote and think activism is facebook likes and spamming right wing links on forums. Real activism is borne out of necessity, not want.

Any American movement of any worth especially liberal MUST centre around POC and minorities. They are an increasing percentage of the electorate. Your movement can't be a white one and is stillborn without real diversity, not the diversity made from double counting and fake stats. Think of how to get these people on board before you tell anyone of your 'demands' and projected worth.

Until then, the post is so much salt and grandstanding.

[sadoldgirl]

26. While I don't disagree about the importance

of the PoC in the party, I think that it is the Dems'
elite that have forgotten the small farmers, the
rural population and most importantly the blue
collar workers.
Many of the HRC supporters are doing quite nicely
with the status quo, but the poor and lower middle
class does not. And that crosses gender as well as
racial issues.

[Spacedog1973]

46. I agree

That there are areas of the Democratic party that they can improve upon. However, some areas are diametrically opposed. So rural white states, may have issues with the Dems representing strongly issues that POC hold dear. The Dems then have to play a numbers game - the Rural whites can vote either way, GOP or Dem. POC are their strongest supporters and they need them. When rural voters are more loyal as a group toward the Dem party, then they can expect I think a better and more robust level of support in return.

[senz]

57. Bernie is the ONLY candidate who has worked for racial justice.

Simple fact. He has worked for racial justice his entire life.

[Spacedog1973]

70. He is not the ONLY candidate.

As a young lawyer working for the Children’s Defense Fund, Hillary went to South Carolina to work to stop the incarceration of teenagers in adult prisons, and she investigated school segregation in Alabama at so-called “private academies.”

In Arkansas, she started a legal aid clinic to ensure that poor people had access to real legal representation; she helped start a program to help low income parents prepare their kids for school success, which is now in more than 20 states; and she helped to found the Arkansas Single Parent Scholarship Fund, which helped nearly 40,000 single parents with their education.

As first lady, she continued her advocacy for children and families, helping to pass the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which now covers more than 8 million kids, helping reform the foster care and adoption system, and advocating for the expansion of Medicaid to cover foster kids until they are 21. She pushed for the expansion of Head Start and for breaking barriers for working parents like quality child care and equal pay for women.

As a U.S. senator, she worked to improve pre-K programs and provide parenting help for at-risk families, which is now part of the Affordable Care Act, and she pushed to expand CHIP to cover more kids. She co-sponsored legislation to end racial profiling and implement sentencing reforms to address crack-cocaine disparities. She also fought to restore voting rights for individuals involved in the criminal justice system, expand programs that help people re-enter society when they have served their time, and worked to expand assistance for at-risk kids including intervention and treatment. She also introduced comprehensive legislation to protect voting rights; supported increased funding for HIV/AIDS programs, spotlighting the disproportionate impact on African American women; and worked with then Senator Obama to fight against lead poisoning, holding the first hearing on environmental justice and disparate impacts on the African American community.

-In case its not clear; most of these people in extreme poverty situations were/are minority populations.

[senz]

83. Well since you apparently work for the HRC campaign, perhaps you could

provide a link?

[cui bono]

98. Marian Wright Edelman of the Children's Defense Fund doesn't think too highly of Hillary.

How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain

As we have noted in a previous editor's blog (along with the page numbers), Hillary brags in her memoirs that she was the one who lured the infamous Dick Morris back as an adviser to Bill (and Hillary) during the White House years in the mid-90s, as Bill Clinton was trying to find a way to counter the Newt Gingrich assault and the never-ending Republican attempts to investigate and impeach him.

As a result of Morris's "triangulating" advice, the Clintons embraced some cold-hearted measures, including what became called euphemistically "welfare reform." In fact, the progressive and children's advocate community considered it a Draconian measure that would punish poor children if their moms didn't find work. The Clintons, both of them, supported it, and Bill Clinton signed it into law.

Among those who ardently and eloquently opposed the Clinton "welfare reform" bill was Marian Wright Edelman. Her husband, Peter Edelman, quit his high-level job at the Department of Health and Human Services in protest when Bill Clinton signed the bill. He was deeply upset about what the legislation would do to helpless children.

In a July 2007 interview with Amy Goodman, Marian Wright Edelman had this to say about the "welfare reform bill" and Hillary Clinton:

AMY GOODMAN: Marian Wright Edelman, we just heard Hillary Rodham Clinton. She used to be the head of the board of the Children’s Defense Fund, of the organization that you founded. But you were extremely critical of the Clintons. I mean, when President Clinton signed off on the, well, so-called welfare reform bill, you said, “His signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.” So what are your hopes right now for these Democrats? And what are your thoughts about Hillary Rodham Clinton?

MARIAN WRIGHT EDELMAN: Well, you know, Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics. We have to build a constituency, and you don’t—and we profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so. We were for welfare reform, I am for welfare reform, but we need good jobs, we need adequate work incentives, we need minimum wage to be decent wage and livable wage, we need health care, we need transportation, we need to invest preventively in all of our children to prevent them ever having to be on welfare.

And yet, you know, many years after that, when many people are pronouncing welfare reform a great success, you know, we’ve got growing child poverty, we have more children in poverty and in extreme poverty over the last six years than we had earlier in the year. When an economy is down, and the real test of welfare reform is what happens to the poor when the economy is not booming. Well, the poor are suffering, the gap between rich and poor widening. We have what I consider one of—a growing national catastrophe of what we call the cradle-to-prison pipeline. A black boy today has a one-in-three chance of going to prison in his lifetime, a black girl a one-in-seventeen chance. A Latino boy who’s born in 2001 has a one-in-six chance of going to prison. We are seeing more and more children go into our child welfare systems, go dropping out of school, going into juvenile justice detention facilities. Many children are sitting up—15,000, according to a recent congressional GAO study—are sitting up in juvenile institutions solely because their parents could not get mental health and health care in their community. This is an abomination.

That is a staggering indictment, from the woman Hillary Clinton regularly mentions as her mentor, of a gap between Hillary Clinton's words and her record. It reflects upon a political decision that she and Bill made to leave many children behind in order to ensure a second term. (The "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act," as it was cynically called, was signed in August of 1996, just about three months before the '96 presidential election.)

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/how-hillary-clinton-betrayed-the-childrens-defense-fund-for-political-gain

Hillary Clinton often boasts about helping children, but she betrayed them as First Lady

During the debate, Clinton touted her years at the Children's Defense Fund. Here's the truth she didn't talk about

Later in the debate — amid her hawkish rhetoric — Clinton twice more mentioned her work with CDF, wielding it as an example of her purportedly progressive policies.

The problem with Clinton’s claims, however, is that she betrayed children as First Lady. Under the guise of welfare reform, the Clinton administration worked with Republicans to gut social services, ignoring their own senior officials’ warnings that, by doing so, they would be plunging over a million children into poverty.

Bill Clinton ran in 1992 on the campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it.” In 1996, he — with the wholehearted support of Hillary — succeeded, passing the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (PRWORA). PRWORA was based on legislation first proposed by Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. The act was opposed by the left-wing of the Democratic Party, but the Clinton administration joined hands with Republicans and conservative Democrats to push it through.

As part of PRWORA, the Clinton administration axed the Aid to Families with Dependent Children federal assistance program, which had been created 61 years before by the Social Security Act, in the New Deal. They replaced it with the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, which was drastically weaker and — as the name stresses — temporary.

Hillary, as First Lady, advocated strongly for the restructuring of welfare. Her former co-workers at CDF, on the other hand, were infuriated. CDF founder and President Marian Wright Edelman declared that President Clinton’s “signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.”

“Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics,” the CDF president told Democracy Now in a 2007 interview. At the time, CDF “profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so,” Marian Wright Edelman explained.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

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[uponit7771]

122. +1

[TM99]

127. Shit, all you are doing here

is cutting a pasting from Brock's Correct the Record. In other words, you are either plagiarizing because you fail to cite your source, or you work for CTR as part of their million $ trolling campaign.

[rhett o rick]

30. LOL. And you have 136 posts? Don't tell me, you've been lurking for years just waiting

for this opportunity. Well I am putting all you "new" Clinton fans on ignore. Full Ignore, Bob-Bye

[Spacedog1973]

42. The post-number fairy

Has sprinkled his magic dust on me, so that he can have sweeter dreams. Goodbye. Goodbye. Sleep well

[TM99]

128. Well you did reply with

a cut/paste job from CTR?

[hootinholler]

48. No

Not at all what I'm saying, but thanks for sharing your opinion.

As to incremental change, it is not good, nor bad, but it is inevitable. It is how things in fact change. That doesn't mean to roll over in negotiations.

I personally believe that Barnie (sic) will be the President. I also recognize that it may not happen and we just might end up with Trump.

Any American movement of any worth especially liberal MUST centre around POC and minorities. They are an increasing percentage of the electorate. Your movement can't be a white one and is stillborn without real diversity, not the diversity made from double counting and fake stats. Think of how to get these people on board before you tell anyone of your 'demands' and projected worth.

WOW I guess it don't mean a thing, nevermind. I feel suitably humbled and chastised for forgetting to bring race into the equations. My apologies.

[SwampG8r]

84. Centre

European giveaway

[Aerows]

90. Or Aussie/Kiwi

Check for extra u's and missing z's then you will realise what is going on

[Kalidurga]

124. LOL I spell like that sometimes

I read a lot of English literature starting when I was 8 years old.

[Rebkeh]

65. No, that's not quite right

It's not that we're against incremental change in that sense, it's more about structural change, slow and quick, big and small. Why limit ourselves? It's about changing the system's infrastructure itself rather than making a few adjustments from within it.

It's like the difference between a trim to update a style and a haircut for a fresher style. Especially since the old style is past its expiration date. It's long past time to change it up.

The only people that are invested in, or benefit from, the 'trim' are people who have "made it," regardless of race. Most of these people are older. But the democratic party is supposed to be for everyone, especially the struggling, is it not?

[Urchin]

67. You sure know how to win friends

and influence people.

So, thanks for helping me be even more certain that Bernie or nobody gets my vote.

[Aerows]

88. Question:

Who do you think will suffer most under a Donald Trump presidency?

When you hear people disgruntled with Hillary Clinton that are life long Democrats and are from all walks of life, a wise person would reflect.

"Why do so many Democrats dislike her? Why do so many Democrats mistrust her?"

Because the real problem is going to come in the GE. If so many Democrats do not consider her trustworthy, what do you honestly believe Independents think? Independents are crucial to any candidate's success.

Wait until the Republicans start rocking on the Clinton Foundation/Arms deals for donations, Bill Clinton giving paid speeches in the same countries that Hillary is dealing with as SoS and reaping CGI donations. There is an avalanche coming. It is absolutely out of touch with reality to think that it will not be hammered on day and night, and you can bet some ugly bones are going to fly out of that particular cemetery.

If she loses the GE due to her myriad issues, while all of us will certainly be negatively impacted, who will fare the worst under a Trump presidency?

[Rebkeh]

100. For those scared of a Trump presidency....

Vote for Bernie.

I am tired of this inaccurate framing and false narrative, as if the choices are only her or Trump.

I am a woman, a black woman at that, middle aged with disabilities and health problems - think I don't get it? Do you think I don't understand what a Trump presidency means? I do.

I still prefer to take my chances with Bernie.

[CobaltBlue]

116. I have a question for Spacedog1973…

Hello, spacedog1973!

I have a question:

Will you also be giving all Democratic Underground forum members relationship counseling?

[uponit7771]

121. +1

[felix_numinous]

4. K&R

Well said, Hootinholler It smells like inevitability.

[Autumn]

5. Nothing more needs to be said. Thank you.

[passiveporcupine]

94. I agree,

Hoot was crystal clear and it is the message we all need to keep in our hearts. Don't be disheartened. We are on the way.

[KPN]

7. Go Bernie! Go America!

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. You're losing, and losing badly, and part of the reason you're losing is

that you think people who disagree with you simply "don't get it."

For that reason, I'm enjoying watching you lose, and will continue to enjoy it over the next few weeks.

[realmirage]

13. You nailed it

[SidDithers]

20. +1...

Sid

[Live and Learn]

24. People that enjoy watching people lose really don't get it. nt

[randome]

35. I think it's at least understandable though, since no expense is too high to denigrate Clinton.

Mocking and hatred and casting aspersions only breeds more of the same.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Live and Learn]

37. I have found that I have extremely little in common with some here. nt

[Fumesucker]

134. Have you checked out the HRC group?

Mocking, hatred and casting aspersions is practically their raison d'être.

[2banon]

58. you losers

way to prove the OP's point, you just don't get it.

[senz]

59. A Hill Bro? We don't need hatefulness in this thead.

And in case you don't know it, taking pleasure in imagining the pain you hope others are feeling has a name: sadism.

One should work on that.

[uponit7771]

123. +1

[timmymoff]

17. Whenever i find myself on the side of the majority

I need to rethink my opinion. Mark Twain paraphrase.

[Live and Learn]

25. +1 nt

[timmymoff]

32. We don't have a democracy we have an Oligarchy

and one candidate more than anyone else supports the continuation of such.

[timmymoff]

36. Three million votes directly for the oilgarchy

what's a shame is people putting an election as a team sport. I stand by my former statements.

[timmymoff]

47. I'm not calling anyone stupid

you are. I am stating we have one group willing to overlook things that if done by a republican would be an outrage. Yes, it's that simple.

[Maru Kitteh]

137. You said 3 million votes directly for the oligarchy. So do you think working poor and middle class

voters who vote for the oligarchy are smart? Or do you think that the vast majority of those 3 million voters "directly for the oligarchy" are stupid?

[senz]

61. The MSM sides with the establishment and hides the truth.

It might take a while, but we will get around the MSM and the people will reclaim their birthright.

Sorry you don't like that.

[Land of Enchantment]

10. Now there you go again giving us hope. Everyones says we are domed.

Seriously, yours was the best thread I have seen in a week and I thank you for your well reasoned perspectives. I am so ready to grab that ball too as in 8 years I will be well into my 70's. I have waited forever for all the progressive ideas and policies to be wrapped up in one individual and have a gut feeling he will end up winning this.

[Imgur](

[J_J_]

11. AT last people are finally waking up to election fraud

and it aint just the Republicans.

Kinda hard to have a democracy when they are stealing elections.

Once we demand fair elections, where the ballot totals are actually counted, not the machine tabulations...everything else should fall into place.

I have a good feeling too. I am very proud of the upcoming generation, not afraid to see the truth, standing up and fighting for the benefit of all Americans.

The 'screw you I got mine' crowd is on it's way out big time!

[CK_John]

12. 2020/2024 will have a whole new cast of characters and problems.

Coastal flooding and millions of whites fleeing to Canada.

[CentralCoaster]

14. No quarter. Not this time. It ends now, 2016.

No more.

K/R

[realmirage]

16. Oh we get it

That's why we voted for Hillary.

[HassleCat]

18. We will end the third way.

Probably not right now. We started a little too late, against a candidate who has a firm grip on the party levers. But this is the beginning of the end. People see the possibilities. I think Clinton will spend four years doing nothing, and fail to deliver anything progressive, leading to a strong primary challenger for 2020. Yes, I am predicting Clinton will get primaried for 2020, and there is a strong possibility she will get bumped off, ending the third way.

[disillusioned73]

142. We can hope..

[bvar22]

19. DURec.

--bvar22
mainstream-Center FDR/LBJ Working Class DEMOCRAT,
now labeled a "far leftist" in what passes for the Democratic Party today.
I haven't changed.

I am delighted by what we have accomplished this year,
and expect The Movement to grow even larger and fight harder next year.
WE are the CHANGE. The Centrist Usurpers are already dead. They just don't know it yet.

[Demsrule86]

21. Honestly

If you have all the answers...why aren't you winning? California is the end for Bernie...he knows this. Bernie will not be the nominee and unless you want everything he advocated smashed to pieces by an incoming Trump presidency...get on board with electing the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. Is Bernie really more important than defending gay and trans people, women and their right to choose, Obamacare, hungry kids, the environment or the economy?

[KPN]

76. The environment or the economy? Honestly ...

why did you include them in your list? Hillary will just Fuck them up further.

You don't get do you? Those ARE the crucial issues, and Hillary's just the same old same old lackey for multi-nationals and megabucks when it comes to those two. The rest doesn't matter by comparison.

[NuclearDem]

22. It's over.

California's not going to save Bernie. The superdelegates aren't going to switch. There won't be a contested convention.

This is just getting sad.

[griffi94]

41. It was already sad

This is why I tuned out listening to Bernies fans
when they started trying to make the case for voting for him.

The delusion that Bernie is going to be our nominee is
made up of the same wishful thinking that makes conservatives
think that Reaganomics will work....this time....they just
need one more chance.

Like you said Bernie is done. He can stay in and collect
some more pledged delegates and then lose on the first ballot.

[Cassiopeia]

23. Your results are in.

On Sun May 1, 2016, 01:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Seems to me that most of you don't get it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511875860

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Gratuitous rudeness: "To Camp Weathervane" is an insult directed at DU Clinton supporters. Inappropriate. Please hide, thank you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 1, 2016, 01:16 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No idea why this was even alerted. Nothing wrong with this post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a senseless alert. Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Why are you here? Feel free to go create Socialist underground if you'd like.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: OP could have made a better word choice, but I don't think this rises to the level of a hide.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Granted its mildly insulting but this is the Democratic Underground and we are not lockstep Republicans so this person is entitled to their opinion just like you are.




This post should be read a second time by juror number 5.

[Kip Humphrey]

29. To all Hillarians: "Camp Weathervane" refers to the Hillary campaign, not the Hillary DU group.

Don't flatter yourselves.

[mythology]

50. That might be easier to believe if instead of typing Hillarians you typed Clinton supporters

And Clinton supporters calling Sanders supporters Bernie Bros is just as childish.

[passiveporcupine]

95. But it hasn't stopped has it?

and I don't see people getting hides for it. It's all over the place.

[hootinholler]

43. Thanks for posting!

To the alerter, I can surely show you some gratuitous rudeness if you like, just ask.

I thought the assertion of passive aggression would be called out, not Camp Weathervane.

[disillusioned73]

143. LOL

"Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Why are you here? Feel free to go create Socialist underground if you'd like"

[Maedhros]

151. Naked tribalism for the win! [n/t]

[Live and Learn]

27. K&R Excellent post. nt

[BootinUp]

28. Crystal. Its Saint Bernie or Bust!

[Gregorian]

34. This is about climate change.

And that's why losing, as someone above calls it, isn't even part of the dialog. This isn't about getting a president in office as much as turning the planet around.

Bernie is winning. Maybe not by the standards of the establishment. But by the measure of building a movement, we have already done it. We're already creating a new media. We've already had Bernie Sanders on TYT, and we've already had Grayson and Jolly debate.

But what's really happening goes far beyond this charade of an election. We not only plan to have a million supporters at the convention, but it's what's after the election that is on the schedule. We're putting down ticked Dems in office. We just beat Tweety's wife.

You see, this election is trivial. In comparison to methane bubbling up out of rivers, and 400ppm CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, and 1.5C temp. rise already, this election is unimportant.

What you are about to see are millions of young people whose future is not just in peril, but literally dying. And they aren't going to stand by. They aren't going to ask for help. They are going to demand action. And they are going to take action.

That's what's going here.

I've never been more optimistic in my life! I've lived what these young people are now going through, for fifty years. I'm with them.

[hootinholler]

51. Man what more proof do I need

Have you seen the replies to this?

[stillwaiting]

154. Well, young people and not-so-young that want change better organize to reform how we vote.

Systemic election, campaign-finance, and voting reforms MUST be enacted or the people's voice will never be represented.

I strongly believe this. HAVA installed a system that the corporatists' can use to get the results that they want. I see no reason why they wouldn't game the system. They have clearly demonstrated how much (little) they care about Main Street's plight over the past few decades.

[apnu]

38. Or, use the weathervane to our advantage.

Since Hillary and the Democratic leadership are known to spin, provide the prevailing wind to keep them pointing left.

This isn't over if Bernie fails, and nobody here has to leave. Stay and be the wind that controls the weathervane.

[ancianita]

39. I get it. Ain't stoppin'. ON TO CALIFORNIA!

[brooklynite]

40. "A progressive majority in the Congress"

All three of them?

[Doctor_J]

49. Besides those voting for her because of her gender, Clinton voters are extremely conservative

by most definitions. They would have voted for Reagan over Carter, and are horrified at the thought of the war machine being cut off, of unions and a living wage, of Americans being entitled to healthcare without paying billions in profits, and generally of living without multinational corporations deciding what they eat, drink, watch, hear, read, wear, and vote for. They are bothered not the least that Charles Koch, Rupert Murdoch, and Henry Kissinger support her. They don't favor Clinton despite her corporate ties, but because of them. in a recent thread, none of them could refute my assertion that the country will continue to speed to the right if she is president. So progress will mean overcoming them as well as Fox Nation.

[brooklynite]

62. "Clinton voters are extremely conservative"

Is that your final answer?

[NuclearDem]

66. "Clinton voters are extremely conservative"

Oh, good one. Compared to who, exactly?

[JonLeibowitz]

110. Those who vote O'Malley or Sanders.

[Squinch]

52. Seems to me that you should have been PPR'd a long time ago:

Your words:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=30492

On second thought I take that big FUCK YOU back. I wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock. You have proven yourself to be utterly and irretrievably morally repugnant. You have stooped to depths that are lower than whale shit in the fucking Marianas trench. There's a lot of pressure down there for anyone with a shred of fucking decency but once your balls are shriveled to the obvious pinhead size it affects the brain and there's little left than to attempt to smear the shit on the walls when it didn't stick whilst you were flinging it.

[hootinholler]

54. Seems to me that the person who started that thread

Should have been PPR'd along with several others who were shown favor.

But that's like my opinion man.

Would you like me to cuss you out also?

[Autumn]

72. The hurt runs deep.

that was epic.

[NanceGreggs]

125. Seems to me ...

... that your opinion as to the person who started that thread has nothing to do with excusing your despicable response.

Your reply was disgusting, inexcusable by any measure, and stands as a perfect example of how low this site has sunk.

NOTE TO SKINNER: We all KNOW you were advised by many DUers that Hootinholler's post was alerted on, and that your much-touted "jurors" allowed it to remain. Again, YOU are responsible for allowing "jurors" to determine "community standards". Do you REALLY think that one poster telling another that they "wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock" is a suitable community standard to be followed?

[George II]

81. Yeah, he sure has a way with words.

[SwampG8r]

87. Ppr should go to the op for linking to.rw.hate sites

Stormfront for gods sake

[Squinch]

89. Charmer. Through and through.

[Aerows]

92. I've seen accusations that

some different people linked to stormfront, but I confess, I didn't see the posts in question. Who did?

[SwampG8r]

101. The link in this subthread

Embedded li ks in the referred op.more than once
He dresses them up.to be a few words of the op blue linked back to nasty places
Then he used the " but this is what the rw will say " excuse



Eta juzt che ked the link upthread wrong thread but right author
A.search of his efforts.should turn the stormfront up

[QC]

133. The username rhymes with stainy pee. n/t

[Aerows]

136. Ah!

Thank you!

I've had that one on ignore for a long time.

[ismnotwasm]

91. Eww

He's THAT dude? The dog sex dude? Gross.

[betsuni]

93. Ugh, that one. I should know not to be eating anything whilst reading GDP.

Lots of nauseating material here. Don't know why I forget. It's actually pretty fucking simple.

[Bobbie Jo]

96. Unbelievable

that the guy who wrote that disturbing diatribe is still here to post another day.

Thanks for posting, people need to see just what they're buddying up with here.

Vile.

[hootinholler]

97. It's really unbelievable that the guy who started a website

For Hillary Supporters to coordinate and launch attacks on DUers was not PPR'd.

But that's all part of the drama, eh?

Vile doesn't even approach what you all from there have done.

[ismnotwasm]

99. .

[Bobbie Jo]

103. Don't even.

Yeah, I would try to divert from that mess too.

Look over here!!!

Ugh.

[hootinholler]

104. Now you're accusing me of doing what squinch did here?

Here, enjoy.



Oh there was far worse.

[Bobbie Jo]

105. Now look over here!

Gag me.

[hootinholler]

106. Thanks for the kicks.

[Bobbie Jo]

107. Here's another

Hope everyone takes a good look.

[hootinholler]

108. Hey everyone!!

When you go have a good look, be sure to look at the linked thread too. In fact go read the entire post.

[Bobbie Jo]

111. If you think it somehow nullifies your words

it doesn't.


Kick

[hootinholler]

113. Words are funny things

I generally choose them carefully so that they are pertinent to a given context.

Why would I want them nullified?

[Bobbie Jo]

115. By all means, own it.

That you're proud of that bizarre diatribe is disturbing to say the least.

Have the last word, I need a shower...

[hootinholler]

139. You need a shower?

I was wondering about that smell.

[ucrdem]

114. In the HRC forum no less.

That's really deplorable. The decent thing to do would have been to self-delete five months ago.

[murielm99]

132. +1 Squinch.

How could we forget this nastiness?

[workinclasszero]

149. Sickening quote

Obviously a hater with years of experience.

[Uncle Joe]

53. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, hootinholler.

[senz]

55. Most Republicans and Hill supporters do not want progressiveness in America.

There is a progressive thread weaving its way through this country, and it is made up of political progressives and the working class who are waking up to how badly they have been screwed by conservatives, by which I mean Republicans and Third Way/DLCers.

That is the opposition, and currently they hold all the "official" power and all the wealth.

But they'd better watch out, because the people are getting ready to rise up and reclaim democracy in America.

[H2O Man]

60. recommended.

Well said. Thank you.

[hootinholler]

64. It's always a pleasure

To have you respond to something I've written.

[joshcryer]

63. What you've described is quite hollow.

And you will not earn allies with such condescension, saying you are the future of the party, but you will splitter the party if you're not.

Be honest, this whole practice has been about being anti Clinton than anything else. When Sanders puts his backing behind Clinton, your comments will apply to him as well.

[silvershadow]

69. Thanks for the post! Glad to see we are still together after the The Great Brock

Beatdown here on DU. I got juried into submission and a 4 day stint in MIRT jail. When I got sprung, this place looked like a morgue. Glad we are all back together. Peace, Love, and Bernie Sanders to all!

[DemonGoddess]

71. soooo....you espouse violence?

I have no doubt that we will accomplish our goal of having a level field, where we invest in people first. Where bombs are the final resort. I have no doubt we will prevail

[Autumn]

74. That means people should come before wars and wars should be a last resort.

Reading is fundamental. Strange how your mind went right there.

[DemonGoddess]

75. yes, reading is fundamental

It's interesting how you don't see that he/she espouses violence. That's exactly what that comment is.

[hootinholler]

79. Obtuse much?

If that's your take away from that, kindly fuck off.

I know what the fuck war is about, and it ain't fucking freedumb.

[fun n serious]

73. It's already near gone..

look at FB, twitter, Snap chat and others.. It's just a drip now.

[Tarc]

77. The problem is, he's failing on both ends

Sanders has zero chance at the nomination now, and most of the candidates he's endorsing are fat-left newcomers who are trying to Tea Party incumbent Democrats in the primaries.

[Mike Nelson]

78. A fine goal...

...with the latter half becoming more worthy which each passing primary. "Bernie's campaign is about putting a progressive in the white house, and a progressive majority in the Congress."

[betsuni]

80. So take our country back to "where we care for each other or ... be crushed in the future."

CRUSHED.

[George II]

82. Well sir, if....

"Bernie's campaign is about putting a progressive in the white house, and a progressive majority in the Congress" his campaign was a double fail.

First, Clinton will be a progressive but Sanders sure didn't have anything to do with that, the American electorate will be the ones that put her in the White House (again)

Second, Sanders has done zero, nada, zippo, bupkis to achieve a progressive majority in the Congress. Hopefully that will happen, but it will be through the effort of the Hillary Victory Fund, which has contributed tens of millions of dollars to Democrats up and down the ticket over and above herself. SHE is a true, good, progressive Democrat who understands that without other Democrats in the House and the Senate, as a Democratic President she'd have a difficult time accomplishing her progressive agenda.

So, insult, badger, cajole, bully Democrats in the name Bernie Sanders, but when there is a Democratic President and more Democratic representation (hopefully with majorities) in both houses of Congress, it will done with virtually no help from Sanders.

[maryallen]

86. Bravo!

Well said!

[MrMickeysMom]

117. The Democratic party will have to change, largely due to "the people" having it up to here...

You made most points, but I honestly do not know who "here" doesn't get it. I know that most people PERIOD don't use a historical perspective to reinforce what we must do in this country to bring about social, economic and political change, starting with the follow through from this year, one of transition.

I get so sad when weighing the possibility that there won't BE a future of anyone's political party if there the environmental fall out of our ways makes this planet unlivable. THAT tops everything, but the political will of the people will always be to fight amongst themselves first.

I feel good about this election. I haven't given up. When some of the usual suspects here "don't get it" lately, I trash the thread or ignore these mouth breathers. Frankly, they distract from the process.

They'll eventually have to "get it".

[pacalo]

118. Thank you, hootinholler!

[uponit7771]

119. Sanders "we'll see" disagrees with this notion that its about a progressive congress

[tonyt53]

126. Single payer?

HRC fought that fight over 20 years ago. And that "crushing us in the future", got news for ya, there are a lot more of use than there are of you. Political newcomer, aren't ya?

[TM99]

129. No Hillary did not.

She was never for single payer. She was for a type of insurance mandate not all that dissimilar to what the ACA is and RomneyCare in MA.

Actually, there are a lot more of us progressive leftist independents than there are registered Democrats.

[RandySF]

130. .

[Waiting For Everyman]

131. Excellent post, hoot! You are so right.

Cosigning it with nothing to add, so I'll reply this way...

[Sheepshank]

135. You've got a lot of nerve, telling people more of what you think

You've already said more than enough. In fact, I think it's time you vocalized a very public apology. I can't for thie life of me figure out why even your bestest Bernie bros voted to leave your "dog fucking" post. Remember that post you left in the Hillary Group? Here let me remind you.

On second thought I take that big FUCK YOU back. I wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock. You have proven yourself to be utterly and irretrievably morally repugnant. You have stooped to depths that are lower than whale shit in the fucking Marianas trench. There's a lot of pressure down there for anyone with a shred of fucking decency but once your balls are shriveled to the obvious pinhead size it affects the brain and there's little left than to attempt to smear the shit on the walls when it didn't stick whilst you were flinging it.

[hootinholler]

138. Points for originality!

How can I fucking forget it? You shit slingers bring it up every time I post anything that is half popular.

Why didn't you post the link to the thread? Oh, that's right people might see that it was a small part of a righteous push back against a baseless charge. Just because your hero does shit doesn't mean the rest of the world operates that way.

I'm beginning to think you are jealous that you were not the subject.

[betsuni]

140. Points for originality!: "You're just jealous!!111!!!"

[Sheepshank]

145. Yes, I will take opportunities to remind everyone the kind of poster you really are.

no apologies from me on that count.

The Bernie crowd has set the bar pretty high on bringing up posts that the poster would rather have sink, don't you think? And you have the balls to say I am a shit slinger, after that disgusting post?

As for the link? Go for it...no one is stopping you from adding it to your push back.

Fuck that shit...go for it, I dare you to let everyone see why and how your entire post came about. Perhaps everyone should get to read your entire rant and not just the snippet I wrote.

You always have the option of posting a very visible, public, heartfelt apology.

[hootinholler]

147. When Billy boy apologizes to us for what he has done

Then I will consider mending that fence.

For anyone who is interested, the thread is linked above.

[Sheepshank]

148. your screed was disproportionately over the top

justify all you want.

as for the link...is there a reason you want readers to scroll through well over 100 posts to find it? Not even a reference to the post number? Sure, you're all about full disclosure.

[moriah]

141. From the person who truly tried to encourage civility, who you mock here...

Here's a giant panda.



Everyone loves pandas, right?

And FYI, if you want to keep up with the broad-brush personal attacks against Hillary supporters ("Camp Weathervane&quot , you and those like you will eventually find themselves with less influence in the jury system used to address civility. It was a great idea of Skinner's.

[hootinholler]

146. Are you pandering to me?

I didn't call you out by name because your post isn't the only example of passive aggressive let's be nice to the poor hurting Berners and is likely the least offensive.

If you were sincere, then I apologize that you are offended by my opinion. If you are sincere, then I'm sure you can see how your post could be taken as a passive aggressive dig.

[moriah]

150. I will panda to you all day if you like. ;)

Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 05:11 PM - Edit history (1)

I would also like to see more civility on all sides, so yes I called you out on your broad-brush attack against Clinton supporters.

I didn't alert, though I did on someone suggesting Bernie supporters were racist -- again, broad-brush personal attack. But you already have two other hides.

Edited to add a smiley to show no hard feelings.

[disillusioned73]

144. k&r..

Good stuff.. & your right - it is the beginning of the end... I may change to Independent temporarily while the party is taken back by our yutes.. cause it's obvious us old folgies can't do it ourselves at this point..