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Sun May 1, 2016, 02:05 PM

 

Bernie's stance on Israel, I'm a Hillary voter who agrees with Bernie

I know this cost him with the Jewish vote in New York, but I totally respect his balls to say it. If you look at the facts, it looks like Israel is just making land grabs illegally. Anyone have evidence to refute this? If not, why aren't more politicians speaking up to let Israel know it needs to back up?

If I was a one issue voter this would have swayed me to Bernie. But I'm not.

Btw, this should be appropriate for GDP since it is an issue in the primary.

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Reply Bernie's stance on Israel, I'm a Hillary voter who agrees with Bernie (Original post)
realmirage May 2016 OP
Kip Humphrey May 2016 #1
realmirage May 2016 #3
pmorlan1 May 2016 #2
realmirage May 2016 #4
pmorlan1 May 2016 #5
bjo59 May 2016 #6
realmirage May 2016 #7
Barack_America May 2016 #8
realmirage May 2016 #9
JudyM May 2016 #10
realmirage May 2016 #11
JudyM May 2016 #12

Response to realmirage (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:08 PM

1. courage requires a response



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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:22 PM

3. I'm a big admirer of Gandhi

 

He was a guy who pissed off a lot of people on both sides because he cared about the truth more than anything. It would be insane for me to say Bernie doesn't have many qualities I like. That's what Republicans do when they demonize all democrats. They can never acknowledge that the other side has ever done anything good, anything right, or ever even had an idea that was a good one. That's insanity. Just because I didn't choose Bernie doesn't mean I don't see all his good qualities. Any honest person can see them.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:17 PM

2. John Yarmuth

also a Hillary supporter said he agreed with Bernie on this too.

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Response to pmorlan1 (Reply #2)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:26 PM

4. Hmm and he's from Kentucky

 

Interesting. You wouldn't think someone from a state like Kentucky, a state with a heavy Christian presence, would have that stance.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:30 PM

5. I'm from Kentucky too

and I agree with both of them.

Congressman Praises Bernie Sanders’s Israel-Palestine Stance: “I Totally Agree With Him”

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/25/congressman-praises-bernie-sanderss-israel-palestine-stance-i-totally-agree-with-him/

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:32 PM

6. Almost no American politician at the national level would ever, ever tell

Israel to "back up." Quite the opposite. One of the biggest ways a person can torpedo his or her campaign (or even elected position) is to say anything against the behavior of the state of Israel (or even question the behavior of the state of Israel). More than 80 of the 100 sitting US senators have just signed a letter calling on President Obama to increase foreign aid to Israel and immediately sign an agreement on a new defense package. 83 senators, to be exact. Bernie Sanders was not one of them. Hillary Clinton has been very vocal about her avid support of the Israeli government and its Likud leader, Netanyahu. That's the Netanyahu who traveled to the US to address Congress despite the fact that Obama did not invite him and refused to meet with him. The U.S.'s close relationship with Israel is one factor contributing to the perpetual war in the middle east. Hillary Clinton's total support of Israel does not bode well for U.S. investment in war and more war if she is elected president. It's a shame.

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:06 PM

7. hmm, i'd be interested to hear what Hillary has actually said

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:41 PM

8. You might consider reading up on more of his stances...

Chances are you'll agree with them too.

Just sayin'.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:25 PM

9. I have looked them up and I agree with most of them

 

But what I don't think a lot of Bernie supporters have really allowed themselves to accept is that Hillary really does share a lot of the same ideals, she just has a slightly different plan to achieve them. The "bought off by wall street" is a good example of where the mix-up is occurring. Just about all people are smart enough to take a corporation's money if they're being offered it. It doesn't mean they're going to do a thing in return. If a corporation offered me 100k tomorrow hoping I'll hold a sign saying I'm a republican, I'd take all that money and never even think of holding that sign. Ed Rendell said the same the other day. He took money in exchange to let a company sit and explain their case, but he also let people with no money sit and make their case.

Think about it, someone offers you 100k, no strings attached, hoping you'll be influenced. Do you take the money and still govern according to your conscience, or would you turn it down? If you turned it down, that's noble. But if you took it and still didn't let it influence you, I really don't see that as anything other than accepting money from a fool who has too much to start with. I think Hillary is the latter. And there's no real evidence to refute that. But I'll let others draw their own conclusions.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:34 PM

10. Look at her actions making deals as SOS for the Clinton Foundation donors. This is not an abstract

proposition we are disgusted with, it is the actual deals that precede or follow large donations. And the nature of them, as well. And the fact that she admitted voting for the Iraq invasion because, essentially, she owed shrub a favor for his 9/11 support.... a favor for a favor! She has demonstrated that this is how she rolls, rather than someone who just takes the money and feels nothing is owed.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:35 PM

11. find me a link from a credible source and I'll give it an honest read

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #11)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:49 PM

12. DU has had a decent number of posts about this. I'm going to leave it to you to determine which

you believe are credible, rather than chasing them down, myself... I do tip my hat to your expressed openness, though... We are not all going on about nothing, and I assure you, FWIW, that we are not at all about RW talking points, as you have suggested in past posts. This is the real thing: pay for play, and I never wanted to believe that about her until the evidence became undeniable. I used to have a lot of respect for her, and that is the truth; no more.

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