Let's be clear, regardless of the outcome tonight,

[Rebkeh]

the primary is still not going to be over.

To try to pivot to the General Election is now, and will be, fundamentally undemocratic.

[beachbumbob]

1. Primary is over...sad to say the math will never work for sanders

[Rebkeh]

3. It's not over until after the convention. Eom.

[Sheepshank]

16. Many of us have already moved on...regardless of how often you try to hold back progress

if I could send this to Bernie I would:

[Rebkeh]

17. Hold back progress?

You got it backwards there, but okay.

[Sheepshank]

18. Progress to the GE

it's not that hard to figure out what I meant, given this thread and it's context...or was it?

[Rebkeh]

21. Either way, it's still undemocratic to pivot the conversation prematurely nt

[Sheepshank]

24. no, it's not. you keep trying to make up rules.

The BSers have been crowing about Bernie winning the GE since day one...did you chastize them at all? or is it just different now that it's not just chatter, but reality?

[JDPriestly]

62. We have not yet voted in California. Let us vote.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. What specifc "progress to the GE" do you think is being held back?

Are we talking policy positions, or what?

[Human101948]

27. You've moved on...but here you are hanging in to scold and berate Bernie supporters...

Posting cat pictures.

[RoccoR5955]

44. So just crown her Queen, and be done with it.

Then shut up and eat cake, I guess.

[Demsrule86]

66. She won

She will be the Democratic nominee.

[malokvale77]

47. Wow...

Headline: Beach Bum Proclaims To Know Everything About Math.

Comment: Garden Bum asks, how many quarts of tomatoes can I can from 12 plants of 3 different varieties (4 each). My survival depends upon your math genius.

[Armstead]

2. Clinton can start the GE anytime. No one is stopping her from saying bad things about Trump

[Mike__M]

9. True, however

Bernie is stopping Trump from saying his baddest things about Hillary.
Yet.

[Armstead]

11. Trump can -- and has -- started saying bad things about her at anytime too

Heck the nasty race will be on in full in late summer and fall...Why not start early? 7 months of crap instead of 3

[redwitch]

12. Bernie is Trump's filter?

[hack89]

4. How do you stop Hillary from pivoting?

There is nothing Bernie can do to stop her.

[Rebkeh]

8. I was talking about the conversation, the public discourse

Here and everywhere else, we have a part in that.

[hack89]

10. But it is clear that she is the nominee

Pretending that the rest of the primaries have any real significance doesn't make sense.

[Rebkeh]

13. Of course it makes sense.

Every eligible American voter is entitled to an opportunity to cast their vote and make their voice heard. Every candidate has the right to choose when to stop running, up until after the convention.

And..

It ain't over until it's over.

[hack89]

14. Of course people can vote

And Bernie can keep running. Hillary is still the nominee regardless.

[Rebkeh]

15. The conversation should not pivot to the GE, regardless. Eom.

[hack89]

19. But what is there to talk about?

look at GDP right now - it is never ending shit storm. There is no "conversation" going on.

[Rebkeh]

20. How about the issues?

We don't talk nearly enough about the issues.

[-none]

32. Issues? What issues?

The only issue Hillary supporters have is Bernie running.

[malokvale77]

48. No it is not clear.

She is no where near the required number of pledged delegates to clinch. It's going to take a whole lot of manipulation to come to that conclusion.

[hack89]

49. The super delegates will not ignore the voters

They will vote en masse for the candidate with the most pledged delegates. They will respect the will of the voters.

[malokvale77]

52. I would hope they would respect the will of the voters that elected them.

I have no doubt that the lobbyist super delegates will stick with the candidate that benefits them most.

John Podesta is a super delegate. I'm sure he will stay with Hillary.

Keep pretending this is a democracy.

[hack89]

54. Hillary would still win

Too many blow out victories in big states.

[malokvale77]

58. Whatever floats your boat.

Her blowouts are in red states. I live in one. We haven't had an honest election here since before Bush beat Richards.

PS: The Clinton's along with another sellout (Bob Bullock) sold Texas Democrats out way back then.

[hack89]

59. They were actually in black states

Hence Bernie's troubles there.

[malokvale77]

61. OMG you're playing the race card.

You think black people voted for George W Bush?

Please don't reply to me with any more of your bullshit.

[hack89]

68. Black voters are a key Democratic voting block. That is why Bernie lost

they voted for the real Democrat - Hillary.

Why are you babbling about Bush?

[malokvale77]

69. Where was the black vote...

when the Bush's along with President Clinton and Democratic sellout Bob Bullock allowed the defeat of Ann Richards (the most popular Governor in Texas history).

They weren't counted (as in not allowed) then, just as they aren't counted now.

Texas was the test bed for voter suppression. It worked so well here, it is being used as a model across the nation.

[hack89]

70. Hillary won because of the black vote

looks like they were able to vote just fine.

[malokvale77]

71. Pretend all you want (she hasn't won anything yet).

See if they can swing it for her in the general.

I don't think you know how this works.

[Hoyt]

5. I'm glad Clinton is going aftet GOPers, that's who Democrats have to beat.

[JoePhilly]

6. Kind of like December, when the football season is not "over" ... but ...

... we already know which teams have clinched playoff spots, and which are eliminated.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

7. Mistake all around for Bernie to quit now. He is creating drama and

PR for the race which is good for both he and Hillary.

When it is down to one, lets say it was Hillary, the attention will be on Drumpf and his misogyny, which will be interesting for a brief time but it can rub people the wrong way

As Van Jones said, Drumpf can win the election no matter who he faces if liberals are complacent.

[ecstatic]

22. If this is a reflection of how Sanders would govern as President,

It's truly disturbing, to say the least. Whether the issue is that he's delusional or that he's surrounded by delusional / poorly informed advisors, the math is the math. This is not a good way to run a campaign or the nation.

[Rebkeh]

23. I don't agree

I want a president that fights hard and doesn't give up easily. Most people do.

Are you serious with that statement?

[nolawarlock]

39. It's also nice to have a president who is realistic about what is feasible.

[uponit7771]

35. +1, its just like him ignoring the effects of the GOP gerrymandered congress on policies or how the

... government works and keeping it out of his narrative.

I don't think he's a detail kinda guy

[Demsrule86]

25. A big who cares?

Bernie looks increasingly bad but hey I want him in until California so he can help down ballot...unless Trump gets it tonight. Then it does not matter...can't have our voter stay home and the f'ing GOP vote in droves in Trump is in it.

[Gomez163]

26. It won't be over ever with some people. They'll be grumbling

and mumbling and stumbling into the fall with their whining.

[Human101948]

28. And you are one of them...

Isn't it time you moved on?

[Gomez163]

29. You first

[bigwillq]

30. The primaries are not over, but this primary season IS over

It's Ms. Clinton and Mr. Trump as the D and R nominee, respectively.

[Corporate666]

33. Bernie can no longer mathematically win the nomination

After tonight.


It's over.

Well and truly over. No more "he can still win if he just gets XXX% of the vote in these states".

He can no longer secure the # of delegates needed after tonight. 100% over.

[nolawarlock]

42. What do you mean? How dare you deny the mighty 1%?

Those who are willing to bet on the 1% chance that Bernie has to become president that is

[JoePhilly]

34. Once a team clinches a playoff spot, it's over.

Yes, the season continues, but we already know which teams will advance.

[nolawarlock]

38. This is embarrassing for the candidate.

It has nothing to do with being democratic. Bernie simply has such a narrow path to victory that it just looks like he's circling the drain at this point.

[asuhornets]

40. Yea right...eom

[NCTraveler]

41. It was over when it started. Nt

[anigbrowl]

43. Oh spare us the guilt tactics

We should hold all the remaining primary contests and people would vote for whoever they feel best about. But you don't get to tell people what they can have conversations about just because those conversations reflect a reality that makes you feel sad. If you don't want to read discussions about the GE then don't click on them, stop demanding that everyone else conduct themselves to suit you.

[LiberalElite]

45. Kick! nt

[leftcoastmountains]

46. Yes people some of us would like a chance to vote!

Really do you MIND?!

[840high]

51. They do mind - they

wanted the coronation before all votes cast.

[Demsrule86]

65. You can vote no matter what

But it is stupid to continue when the outcome is known...Hillary will be the nominee...rarely are the later primaries meaningful.

[Tarc]

50. The pivot has already, er, pivoted

Clinton didn't even campaign there or spend a dime and she's still only down by 4. Sanders needs 15-point wins from here on out to remain viable.

[artislife]

55. But each defeat she is experiencing is good for Progressives.

We are not throw in the towel kind of people. We will fight on and on and on.

[Tarc]

57. Yep, #berniemath

[beaglelover]

53. Of course the primary is over. It has been for weeks.

Hillary needs to continue to pivot to the general and attack Trump. She's going to be the D nominee. It is a very clear conclusion to almost everyone!

[amborin]

56. The primary goes all the way to the contested convention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Demsrule86]

64. All that means if Bernie is pouting refusing to face reality and help defeat Trump

And on the first ballot...Clinton is on the ballot...she has the most delegates...and then the supers chime in as she one by all measure...there She is the nominee. The only thing is that Bernie is done if he does this...finished politically,

[bigtree]

60. 'regardless of the outcome'

...winning!

[Demsrule86]

63. when one of the Democratic candidates can not win:Bernie

and Trump is the nominee...time to hang it up...total bullshit about how you have to go to the end when the outcome is clear. Most years California and the later primaries are not relevant.

[mvd]

67. Agreed! The calls to give up are only galvanizing us more.