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Thu May 5, 2016, 09:02 AM

 

Bernie mathematically eliminated. The race is over.

Supers will never, ever back a losing candidate. Sanders cannot mathematically win with pledged delegates. That's a fact. This thing is cooked well done. Sanders' strategy to steal the election from the American people with SDs? Ask any unicorn- it's a fantasy. Why is GDP still here? To fight a phantom war in the 5th dimension?

Reality, it's your friend!

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-has-been-mathematically-eliminated-from-winning-with-pledged-delegates/

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Reply Bernie mathematically eliminated. The race is over. (Original post)
realmirage May 2016 OP
virtualobserver May 2016 #1
mercuryblues May 2016 #15
virtualobserver May 2016 #22
Hortensis May 2016 #34
virtualobserver May 2016 #35
Hortensis May 2016 #38
virtualobserver May 2016 #40
mercuryblues May 2016 #45
virtualobserver May 2016 #47
mercuryblues May 2016 #54
virtualobserver May 2016 #58
mercuryblues May 2016 #59
virtualobserver May 2016 #60
Nonhlanhla May 2016 #65
virtualobserver May 2016 #66
mercuryblues May 2016 #61
virtualobserver May 2016 #62
mercuryblues May 2016 #63
virtualobserver May 2016 #64
lagomorph777 May 2016 #48
Hortensis May 2016 #52
lagomorph777 May 2016 #53
KittyWampus May 2016 #21
virtualobserver May 2016 #23
Hortensis May 2016 #29
HooptieWagon May 2016 #30
Hortensis May 2016 #36
onenote May 2016 #56
Hortensis May 2016 #57
virtualobserver May 2016 #33
HooptieWagon May 2016 #41
virtualobserver May 2016 #43
GreatGazoo May 2016 #2
morningfog May 2016 #3
lagomorph777 May 2016 #9
HooptieWagon May 2016 #42
mercuryblues May 2016 #46
realmirage May 2016 #4
morningfog May 2016 #5
CentralCoaster May 2016 #16
bvf May 2016 #25
CentralCoaster May 2016 #27
lagomorph777 May 2016 #44
bunnies May 2016 #6
artislife May 2016 #19
NurseJackie May 2016 #7
morningfog May 2016 #10
virtualobserver May 2016 #24
randr May 2016 #8
NorthCarolina May 2016 #11
JaneyVee May 2016 #12
redstateblues May 2016 #13
grossproffit May 2016 #14
onyxw May 2016 #17
99Forever May 2016 #18
Garrett78 May 2016 #20
bvf May 2016 #26
morningfog May 2016 #28
TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #31
Hiraeth May 2016 #32
Scurrilous May 2016 #37
Time for change May 2016 #39
frylock May 2016 #49
Attorney in Texas May 2016 #50
floriduck May 2016 #51
realmirage May 2016 #55

Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:05 AM

1. Bernie can, in fact, finish with a majority of pledged delegates....

 

Hillary will not clinch a win with pledged delegates.

That is reality.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:14 AM

15. Hillary can, in fact, finish with a majority of pledged delegates

As she is already far ahead of Bernie.

Bernie will not clinch a win with pledged delegates

That is also a reality.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #15)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:18 PM

22. she can....but she won't

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #22)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:50 PM

34. Int'l Biz Times: "mathematically impossible for Sanders"

"Bernie Sanders may have won the Indiana primary Tuesday night, but his victory is unlikely to save his proclaimed political revolution. After this week, it is mathematically impossible for Sanders to reach the number of delegates necessary to win the Democratic nomination using pledged delegates alone."

This means the Vermont senator will have to rely on his strategy of winning over superdelegates — party leaders and elites who can back the candidate of their choice — who have already decided to back his rival Hillary Clinton. But Clinton has so far won 520 superdelegates to his 39, making it unlikely that he can move forward down this path.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #34)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:52 PM

35. all Bernie has to do is win a majority of the pledged delegates

 

the party will not override that.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #35)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:00 PM

38. He CANNOT. Go read again. There are not enough left.

As for "The party will not override that," it's good that you realize that.

Hillary will have the requisite 2383 pledged delegates, plus more, and the popular vote.

She will also have hundreds of superdelegate votes, but won't need them, having won on pledged alone.

It's fine for Bernie to continue to campaign, but the GOP has moved to GE battle against us, and it is not okay for Bernie to undermine the Democratic Party. We are already fighting the GE, whether we have officially finished up the primary or not.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #38)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:06 PM

40. No..2383 is a majority of ALL Delegates....Bernie needs 2026 to have a majority of pledged delegates

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #40)

Thu May 5, 2016, 02:35 PM

45. correct

Clinton has 1704 PD, she needs 322. She needs about 33% more to win.
Sanders has 1417PD, he needs 609. He needs about 66% of the remainder of PD to win

of the 2 which one do you think will hit that #?

I don't understand how you can say Bernie can get the PDs needed to win, but Clinton can not, when she is ahead by about 300 PDs?

Do you think Bernie will get 66% in every remaining primary?

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #45)

Thu May 5, 2016, 02:49 PM

47. I didn't say that she couldn't reach a majority of pledged delegates at 2026....

 

I said that she wouldn't clinch the actual nomination at 2383....with pledged delegates.

I think that Bernie does have a chance to hit 2026. I think that he will get more than 66% in some of the primaries....

As for the average of all of them, we will see.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #47)

Thu May 5, 2016, 03:52 PM

54. was this you

1. Bernie can, in fact, finish with a majority of pledged delegates....


Hillary will not clinch a win with pledged delegates.

That is reality.


you only need 50%+1 to win the PD.


If we use your number of 2383 to win, Bernie would need 966 of the PDs. There are only 930 left. He will need 110% of the remaining vote to win.

Now I have heard of woman having to work twice as hard as a man, but really? Bernie needs 2026 to win, but Clinton needs 2383 to win.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #54)

Thu May 5, 2016, 06:19 PM

58. what I said was very precise-

 

"finish with a majority" vs. "clinch"

The Superdelegates can still betray the voters when you simply "finish with a majority". I simply do not believe that party leaders will allow it.

When you "clinch" with pledged delegates, no one can take it away from you.

2026 is the only number that matters and whoever finishes with that number or greater with pledged delegates is the winner.





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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #58)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:30 PM

59. Again you

implied that Clinton has to have more PDs than Bernie to win. Clinton has to have 2383 compared to Bernie, who can win at 2026.

Bernie can not reach 2383 at all with PD's, so you are saying he needs only the 2026. Even to reach that # he has to have 66% of the remaining vote. You say he has a chance to do that.

Clinton only needs 33% of the vote to hit 2026, You say she has to have 2383 for the nomination, therefor she can't win? Clinton will have the majority of PDs, so what you are really saying is that you want the SD to betray the one with the most PD and popular vote.







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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #59)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:45 PM

60. you didn't read what I said very carefully...so I will put the critical lines in bold letters

 

The Superdelegates can still betray the voters when you simply "finish with a majority". I simply do not believe that party leaders will allow it.

When you "clinch" with pledged delegates, no one can take it away from you.

2026 is the only number that matters and whoever finishes with that number or greater with pledged delegates is the winner.



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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #58)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:56 PM

65. You are right: 2026 is the number

But the fact is that it is virtually impossible for Bernie to get to that number in the remaining primaries. Democratic primaries are proportional. He needs to win ALL remaining contests with something like 66% of the vote. That is just NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

So Hillary will be heading towards the convention with more than 2026 and the SD's will confirm her majoity by voting for her. Game over.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #65)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:01 PM

66. if she gets there first, it will be game over

 

Bernie has some wins ahead.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #47)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:49 PM

61. she

gets the nomination at 2026.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #61)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:10 PM

62. they both do

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #62)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:46 PM

63. one will

and one won't.

I'll place my bet on the one that only needs about 33% of the vote to get 2028.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #63)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:50 PM

64. I can't fault you for that.

 

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #38)

Thu May 5, 2016, 02:53 PM

48. You must have flunked arithmetic. Or you think we did?

Please examine the numbers. We are not talking about differential equations or calculus here. Simple arithmetic.

Delegates Clinton Sanders Delegate
Delegates+Supers 4763 2205 1401
Delegates Won 4051 1683 1362
Superdelegates (712) 522 39

Counting only elected delegates (i.e. the legitimate delegates):

To get a majority of PDs (2026):
Hillary needs 343 more PDs
Bernie needs 664 more PDs

There are 1006 PDs still available. Absolutely it is a narrow path for Bernie. But it is a complete lie to say it's "mathematically impossible" for Bernie. Not an opinion, not a perception. A complete, mathematical, provable LIE.

As for supers, Bernie has pointed out that the ones who choose to defy the popular vote in their states do so at their political peril. Most of them are also elected officials!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #48)

Thu May 5, 2016, 03:01 PM

52. Lol. Superdelegates KNOW 80% or so of Bernie voters

will vote for Hillary Clinton in the general. Perhaps he'll pick up a few here and there in especially heavy Bernie districts, but he would have to pick up HUNDREDS of superdelegates, and that is just not going to happen.

Better you hang your hopes on her plane going down or something like that.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #52)

Thu May 5, 2016, 03:03 PM

53. Excellent redirect

But your arithmetic still isn't fooling anybody.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:17 PM

21. She already has.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #21)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:19 PM

23. no, she hasn't finished with a majority....she has a majority so far.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:40 PM

29. CNN agrees it is mathematically impossible for Sanders to win

enough delegates in the remaining Democratic contests to secure the nomination. CNN says

Bernie has to have 2383. He has 1444. Only 933 remain. 1444 + 933 = 2377.

And of course almost no superdelegates are going to switch to the losing candidate. He's already out of contention and in nuisance obstruction mode, but the longer he delays conceding the longer he can both continue to accept donations and push Democrats to make a deal for something he wants.

(The donations can be used both for his reelection in 2020 and to fund candidacies of people Bernie approves of, so one way or the other they will be used politically, just not to elect him president.)

Btw, Hillary only needs 165 more delegates to reach 2383. Unfortunately, only 185 are available this month, so if Bernie does not make a deal with the Democratic Party and concede before then, the June 7 California primary is when she will pass 2383 to officially clinch the nomination.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #29)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:42 PM

30. Hillary cannot reach 2383 Pd either.

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #30)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:57 PM

36. Hillary will reach 2383 almost incidentally while campaigning

against Trump and helping the other Democrat candidates riding her coattails to win their elections to office. This is the way it should be. She has the popular vote by a large margin, and that margin will continue to grow.

Hillary has already shifted almost all funding and staff to the GE campaign from the primary campaign. She'll continue to campaign in the remaining primary states, but as part of her GE fight to win election to the presidency.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #36)

Thu May 5, 2016, 06:10 PM

56. Your math skills are as bad as those of some of Sanders' supporters

The knock on Sanders' supporters is that they think it's plausible, not merely possible, that Sanders will get to 2026 in pledged delegates and/or turn a large number of previously committed super delegates away from Clinton. Theoretically possible? Yes. Plausible? No.

The knock on this OP is that if Sanders not being able to get to 2383 with pledged delegates eliminates him "mathematically" then the day will soon arrive when Clinton also can't get to 2383 with just pledged delegates and that would, under the OP's logic "mathematically eliminate" her as well. You see the picture? You can't have both candidates "mathematically eliminated" but that's what the logic of the OP, by focusing on the concept of hitting 2383 with pledged delegates, produces.

Clinton is almost certain to get the nomination. But it is almost equally certain that she won't get it with pledged delegate alone. And there is nothing wrong with that outcome. The super delegates aren't just window dressing. Their votes count and the count equally with the pledged delegates. So the day Bernie is completely, finally mathematically eliminated will be the day when Clinton's total number of pledged delegates tops 2026 and that number, when combined with the total number of super delegates publicly committed to her, hits 2383. Even then, its not completely accurate to say Sanders will have been mathematically eliminated since there is a theoretical, albeit unlikely in the extreme, possibility that hundreds of supers shift their allegiance to Sanders even though he doesn't have a majority of the pledged delegates.

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Response to onenote (Reply #56)

Thu May 5, 2016, 06:12 PM

57. Blame CNN or Int'l Biz Times if you prefer. I copied theirs.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #29)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:47 PM

33. not true...Bernie only has to win a majority of the pledged delegates, which he still can do.

 

Once he does that.....the Superdelegates will change.

If not, then the party would experience civil war.

Nancy Pelosi has said that the Democratic Party will not override anyone who wins a majority of the pledged delegates.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #33)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:24 PM

41. Everything being normal, the SD unlikely to override PD majority.

 

However, 'normal' could be upset if Sanders has more PDs, and DWS-led establishment makes sure Clinton gets the nod anyway so she can have her precious.
'Normal' also upset if an indictment falls before the convention. Probably chaos at that point, with no predictable result....except that SDs may sit out first vote so no candidate gets nominated, thus opening up nominations from the floor before following votes.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #41)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:27 PM

43. normal could be upset, but it would rip the party to shreds.....

 

if there is an indictment, and Bernie does not win the pledged delegate majority.....Hello, President Biden.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:05 AM

2. and yet you're here

and concerned....

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:08 AM

3. You don't understand the word mathematically eliminated.

 

you don't even understand the article you linked to.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:17 AM

9. This meme is all over the place like mold the last couple of days.

I'm seeing Hillarians claiming that she has the majority of pledged delegates already. Apparently, in Hillary math, 1636 > 2025. Then they get all pissy when the lie is pointed out. They must think the'yre dealing with gullible people. So sad.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #9)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:26 PM

42. It's just the latest talking point they're parrotting.

 

Brocks fingerprints all over these talking points.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:09 AM

4. Unicorns are real!

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #4)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:10 AM

5. So is math and he isn't mathematically eliminated.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #5)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:17 AM

16. Like an army....

 

Armed with "bluenationreview" materials....

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Response to CentralCoaster (Reply #16)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:25 PM

25. Which reminds me to wonder

 

what ever happened to the Dailynewsbin guy?

He pretty much disappeared shortly after that nice DU welcome.

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Response to bvf (Reply #25)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:31 PM

27. Oh year, the guy who pronounced himself the founder of the bin?

 

I remember seeing that post, no idea where it went.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #5)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:48 PM

44. They must think we're idiots. News Flash: We can do 'rithmetic!

We are not talking about differential equations or calculus here. Simple arithmetic.

Delegates Clinton Sanders Delegate
Delegates+Supers 4763 2205 1401
Delegates Won 4051 1683 1362
Superdelegates (712) 522 39

Counting only elected delegates (i.e. the legitimate delegates):

To get a majority of PDs (2026):
Hillary needs 343 more PDs
Bernie needs 664 more PDs

There are 1006 PDs still available. Absolutely it is a narrow path for Bernie. But it is a complete lie to say it's "mathematically impossible" for Bernie. Not an opinion, not a perception. A complete, mathematical, provable LIE.

As for supers, Bernie has pointed out that the ones who choose to defy the popular vote in their states do so at their political peril. Most of them are also elected officials!

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Response to realmirage (Reply #4)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:10 AM

6. Trolls too!

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #4)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:15 PM

19. We will expose the anger in this society

 

and won't be pushed out.

Deal with it.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:11 AM

7. Bernie demanding a California Debate :-P

Despite these insurmountable odds, some of Bernie’s followers on Twitter are demanding #DropOutHillary. Bernie himself is demanding a California debate.

Debates never helped him before. Why would he want one now? (Other than to give the appearance of still being a viable contender, which he's not.) Hillary's campaign should not indulge the vanity of such a demand. She's already MOVED ON to the General Election.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:21 AM

10. She agreed to a May debate. I trust her to keep her word.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:20 PM

24. Puerto Rico would be my best guess.

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:13 AM

8. You are correct, Supers will not back a losing candidate

And at the time of the convention it will become clearer which candidate has the best chance of defeating Trump. I hope you are OK with the outcome.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:25 AM

11. Instead of guessing what the Super D's will or won't do, why doesn't camp Hillary just demand

 

they release a joint statement to the press signed by 100% of all eligible Super D's emphatically stating they "will not vote Sanders under any circumstances".

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:39 AM

12. It was done in March.

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:49 AM

13. Bernie will endorse Hillary at the convention

Can't wait!

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:54 AM

14. Not here in La La Land.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:10 PM

17. This is sad

For a campaign that started the primary season on 3rd base, looking to call the game early before actually having made it back to home plate is pretty pathetic and keeps playing into the coronation theme which I assume Brock/BNR would want to try and avoid.

Get to 50%+1. Until then, game on.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:12 PM

18. Bullshit. Bye bye.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:16 PM

20. Technically, both could still reach 2026.

Practically speaking, the race was essentially over by mid-March. Patterns had been well-established by then, and those patterns weren't/aren't going to get flipped upside down.

But Sanders staying in and having a say in the party platform is just fine.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:27 PM

26. Nope.

 

If you really thought so, there would be no need for you to slap up this ridiculous OP.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:32 PM

28. Hit and run lie of a poster. Shameful.

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:45 PM

31. How much is Hillary paying per post?

You joined April 11th.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:46 PM

32. Member since: Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:34 PM, transparency page already shining yellow =

Welcome to Ignore.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:59 PM

37. All the way to Novembers!



LET'S DO IT!

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:02 PM

39. Bernie should stay in the race all the way regardless of how unlikely it might seem

that he will get the nomination.

He has a message that more Americans need to hear. The Democratic Party and our national corporate news media have done everything in their power to stifle that message, and yet, despite overwhelming odds he has gotten his message through to enough Americans that he is the only candidate in either party who has a net POSITIVE favorability rating, and it is 20 points above Hillary's net NEGATIVE favorability rating. The more Americans who hear his message, the more popular he becomes. More Americans need to hear his message because we have to have at least one candidate (who is not crazy, racist and xenophobic like Donald Trump) speaking to the American people who is not beholding to the wealthy interests that fund their campaigns.

To suggest that he is trying to "steal" the election when so many millions of Americans have been disenfranchised in these primaries (both legally and illegally) is the height of hypocrisy.







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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 02:55 PM

49. Brock Nation Review

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 02:56 PM

50. Please convey your message to Hillary supporters in West Virginia, Oregon, California, etc. Thanks!

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 03:00 PM

51. Whatever slime merchant, David Brock says.

 

I think California will shock some Hillary supporters. But to say it's not mathematically possible is a straight up fucking lie. And who better to say it than the Brockster.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:23 PM

55. He can win CA by 60 points! Unicorns are real!

 

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