Fri May 6, 2016, 12:21 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

Sanders Threatens Floor Fight at Dem Convention

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" Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is threatening a floor fight over rules and platform planks at the party's summer convention if the Democratic National Committee stacks the committees with supporters of Hillary Clinton.

Sanders writes in a letter to Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz that the makeup of the standing committees should reflect the level of support that he and Clinton received in the primaries and caucuses.

He says many of his supporters have not been included and notes Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy will be in charge of the convention's platform committee and former Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank will run the rules committee. He calls both "aggressive attack surrogates" for Clinton."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-trump-britain-off-eu-38924521

I have one comment Hillary supporters, tell her to go back to New York, Arkansas, Illinois. I am really tired of your whining bullshit. Maybe you can start another war, or better yet, why not join Henry Kissinger and the death squads, that is more your style.

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P.S.--The comment above was a paraphrase of the original post in Hillary Group which excoriated Bernie. I just changed the names. Credit where credit is due.

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Sanders Threatens Floor Fight at Dem Convention (Original post)	Human101948	May 2016	OP
.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#1
I assume your picture represents the Hillary supporters crying because he is standing in the way	corkhead	May 2016	#13
No, it represents those who can't lose with dignity and have to drag it out.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#16
by dragging it out, you mean letting all of the states vote, like in 2008?	virtualobserver	May 2016	#20
All the states can vote. I have no problem with that.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#23
it is called rallying the troops	virtualobserver	May 2016	#33
Dr. Are you replying to this OP, or to something you read somewhere else?	floppyboo	May 2016	#39
This OP, that says "Sanders Threatens Floor Fight".	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#64
Sanders and his supporters have won enough votes, support, and states to be entitled to...	bvar22	May 2016	#72
By "crown" do you mean 3,000,000+ more voters? nt	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#78
Are you aware that votes are not counted in caucus states,	bvar22	May 2016	#96
Hillary got over 11 million votes herself.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#102
Are you aware	Demsrule86	May 2016	#118
Crown?	Plucketeer	May 2016	#106
Bernie is entitled to nothing	Demsrule86	May 2016	#93
Way to untie the Party!!!!	bvar22	May 2016	#99
I have lost interest	Demsrule86	May 2016	#120
If they are displeased they can take their (some or all) 10 million votes elsewhere	rock	May 2016	#149
Bernie's supporters matter.	senz	May 2016	#131
and vice versa	MFM008	May 2016	#153
Lol. What crap, dear.	cali	May 2016	#138
That was a cut and paste	floppyboo	May 2016	#75
I never said, not implied that it was a quote.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#77
It's the first one like this that I've ever seen.	floppyboo	May 2016	#87
Oooh, only if you spank REAL hard!	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#91
Thanks for making this real obvious to me	floppyboo	May 2016	#94
Well.... Bye.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#95
fight? if he threatens and his people get violent, put them all in the slammer.	trueblue2007	May 2016	#173
Nice deflection	rock	May 2016	#147
It's not over.	Kokonoe	May 2016	#43
You got proof of that?	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#66
The math says it's really, truly, NOT OVER.	senz	May 2016	#45
#berniemath	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#67
Hill cannot reach 2,382 delegates before the convention.	senz	May 2016	#85
She doesn't need to.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#89
The supers don't come into play UNTIL the convention.	senz	May 2016	#111
Why then do you suppose Hillary dropped out 90 days before the convention?	Demsrule86	May 2016	#121
Obama had decisively won the nomination by June 4th.	senz	May 2016	#130
How far ahead of Hillary was Obama in Pledged Delegates, by June?	Sheepshank	May 2016	#167
Do NOT bring up my daughter again.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#156
You attempted to use his aspie daughter as a weapon against him. Vile and foolish.	bettyellen	May 2016	#159
I did NOT. This is so ugly it's shocking me.	senz	May 2016	#160
Bullshit- you had no cause to drag his child into this. No reason at all. Disgusting.	bettyellen	May 2016	#162
"And for bringing my daughter into this argument. She's aspie, NOT dellusional."	SidDithers	May 2016	#116
And they fucking doubled down on it, trying to turn it on me.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#157
Some people have no bottom limit. Children are off limits among decent people. Not the first time	bettyellen	May 2016	#163
If we were in public, no way that poster would've said that shit. nt	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#164
Yes, gutless and lacking in decency.	bettyellen	May 2016	#165
Well, as long as there's a tiny chance he could get a simple majority, it's not really OVER ...	nolawarlock	May 2016	#108
There is no chance	Demsrule86	May 2016	#123
I was responding to the post above mine ...	nolawarlock	May 2016	#126
Either way, it's a very mature post.	merrily	May 2016	#74
Because GD-P is the pinacle of maturity. nt	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#81
I know. GD P forced you to post that.	merrily	May 2016	#92
Hmmm...	Shadowflash	May 2016	#79
Sanders is in a position where he CANNOT get more pledged delegates than HRC.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#83
"Super-delegates have NEVER flipped an election." - then why do the exist in the first place?	corkhead	May 2016	#98
Didn't you hear? The indictment fairy was cancelled due to no eveidence.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#105
What, according to Dailydustbin? And who decides what number is close enough to stay in or not?	corkhead	May 2016	#150
Washington Post and PoliticsUSA, but you'll sweep them off in favor of you fantasy, I'm sure.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2016	#166
Sure, you can be bereft of " malicious intent " but that doesn't mean	corkhead	May 2016	#171
No one has won yet. Thus no one has lost yet. That's the point that Bernie is making.	JDPriestly	May 2016	#151
How about he is the primary loser	Demsrule86	May 2016	#90
Aww, rightwingers love the word "loser."	senz	May 2016	#113
Wow	Amaril	May 2016	#129
Kickin'	Faux pas	May 2016	#2
Wow. After all these decades, Sanders has decided to engage as a Democrat.	Buzz Clik	May 2016	#3
Didn't read the article huh? Just gotta get that childish hate out.	morningfog	May 2016	#27
But the atmospehere and feeling there...	scscholar	May 2016	#50
I'm with Bernie!!!!!	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#29
I know I am relatively new here, and sparse on posts	floppyboo	May 2016	#46
Yeah, if you've been lurking, you also know I love unintentional irony:	Buzz Clik	May 2016	#53
😂😂😂😂	AgadorSparticus	May 2016	#169
Reading..	G_j	May 2016	#143
Yes, it is.	Buzz Clik	May 2016	#145
Good	cali	May 2016	#4
Agreed n/t	SheenaR	May 2016	#7
Yes.	Waiting For Everyman	May 2016	#10
Yes. This is among the things that Sanders supporters are voting for	RufusTFirefly	May 2016	#40
Losers get some input, they don't get to write the rules. Always been that way.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#5
Leave us out, and see what happens to ya. Or turn to the Republican Neocons which probably	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#36
I said: you get some input, but you don't get to dictate terms. No one is 'left out'.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#100
You know what - one thing we get to do is decide what we do with our support, and that means	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#136
It's not smug. The majority gets majority say. That's called fairness.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#148
It's going to be a short "floor fight" ... with Secretary Clinton winning in the first round n/t	SFnomad	May 2016	#6
Because 1968 worked out so well?	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#15
This isn't the 60's	CorkySt.Clair	May 2016	#24
Those ignorant of history repeat it.	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#35
The floor fight in the article relates to the platform not the nomination.	morningfog	May 2016	#31
Yeah, so? He's not going to win many of those either, unless Secretary Clinton and her team	SFnomad	May 2016	#110
More foot stomping!!	JoePhilly	May 2016	#8
If Sanders keeps this up, he'll be lucky if his office isn't relocated to the Senate basement	Tarc	May 2016	#9
Are you privy to the Clinton Hit List?	Human101948	May 2016	#11
I really hope that isn't an allusion to the silly "lots of people die around the Clintons" meme	Tarc	May 2016	#12
Clinton enemies list well known.	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#17
I wasn't referring to that...	Human101948	May 2016	#18
Like Nixon's enemies list	merrily	May 2016	#69
Several reports on the Hillary hit list	senz	May 2016	#60
Believe me, that won't happen. It's not just his donor list either	cali	May 2016	#25
I want them to work together in the end, but he can't hold out for that much	Tarc	May 2016	#30
floor fight? Who said that? Just a headline. A say in the platform is not a floor fight but MSM	floppyboo	May 2016	#51
You appear to support revenge politics.	senz	May 2016	#63
After all these years we are finally finding out	madaboutharry	May 2016	#14
The DNC has already put their party in the basement...	Human101948	May 2016	#22
Hillary's favorability numbers well underwater.	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#26
BANKER BARNEY?????	catnhatnh	May 2016	#42
Right? I'm sure Bernie is really perturbed that a ridiculous sell-out like Barney hates him...	AzDar	May 2016	#107
Bernie said at the debates,	bvar22	May 2016	#158
Bernie will be fighting with himself because there is no one to fight.. the fight is over.	DCBob	May 2016	#19
The fight has just begun.	Beowulf	May 2016	#144
I'm glad he is. The silenced need to be heard.	mmonk	May 2016	#21
Yep.	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#28
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!!	grasswire	May 2016	#32
Hillary: +3.1 million votes	Cali_Democrat	May 2016	#61
Yup she's got that. In an increasingly marginalized wing of the party courting Bush surrogates. Yay?	floppyboo	May 2016	#82
Hillary's "wing" of the party is largely made up	Nonhlanhla	May 2016	#134
Ah, damn you read what you like.	floppyboo	May 2016	#154
on second thought, if you read what I wrote, and stand by your words	floppyboo	May 2016	#161
+1	merrily	May 2016	#70
Will Sanders try to overturn the Amber Alert system?	Onlooker	May 2016	#34
Man, that sure is weak...	Human101948	May 2016	#44
What in the world makes you belive Sanders is ready to be president?	asuhornets	May 2016	#37
About all of his adult life. Way more than Obama had. n/t	libdem4life	May 2016	#48
He didn't get a real job until he was 40 years old.. n/t	asuhornets	May 2016	#49
You mean a Corporate Job, of course. His background is well known.	libdem4life	May 2016	#52
I think Bernie is running out of time as far as getting a lot of support	BootinUp	May 2016	#38
angry dude, tapping into the pocketbook of those intent to affirm their mass delusions of winning.	Sheepshank	May 2016	#41
Well, at least he doesn't scream as he pokes a questioner in the chest. LOL.	libdem4life	May 2016	#58
I hope Bernie has strong presence at the convention.	philly_bob	May 2016	#47
They're up to 869 banned DUers now...	Human101948	May 2016	#124
I started watching conventions in 1954 both D & R. In the	jwirr	May 2016	#133
Bernie will endorse Hillary at the convention	redstateblues	May 2016	#54
I hope Senator Sanders continues to fight for us progressives.	DookDook	May 2016	#55
Yes. Bernie Sanders is the only hope for poor and working people.	senz	May 2016	#68
Sanders is not fighting for me	Demsrule86	May 2016	#125
Unless he has a majority of pledged delegates,	MineralMan	May 2016	#56
I think	Turin_C3PO	May 2016	#62
Depends what he has to offer in exchange. nt	hack89	May 2016	#117
Tunnel vision and short sighted.	merrily	May 2016	#71
Bernie is the very epitome of the entitlement mentality that plagues us...	nolawarlock	May 2016	#109
Hope some of the Sanders issues	oldandhappy	May 2016	#57
Hillary's team had better not go this thing alone.	Kokonoe	May 2016	#59
Sanders supporters aren't important donors to her foundation.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#76
I just got it on ~good authority~ he will throw his support with Hillary at the convention	Hiraeth	May 2016	#65
That's one from our side I had to put on full ignore. /	FlatBaroque	May 2016	#80
If he does that	Demsrule86	May 2016	#140
Barney Fucking Frank /	FlatBaroque	May 2016	#73
And he should have input on all committees, platform especially	whatthehey	May 2016	#84
Who's going to play the Mayor Daley part at the convention?	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#86
Bill Clinton?	jwirr	May 2016	#139
NO.	Demsrule86	May 2016	#88
Yea, I have only one comment in reply.	JTFrog	May 2016	#97
Standing committes are another Establishment bastion.	Orsino	May 2016	#101
Are you really accusing Hillary supporters of being pro death squads?	nolawarlock	May 2016	#103
Bernie disrupting the democratic convention is a prelude	workinclasszero	May 2016	#104
Good	Ferd Berfel	May 2016	#112
Sanders is lying about contested convention to keep small dollar donations coming	Gothmog	May 2016	#114
...	SidDithers	May 2016	#115
More Dithering...	Human101948	May 2016	#128
ALERT: Candidate threatens to turn political convention from coronation into a political convention!	Attorney in Texas	May 2016	#119
A convention is always a coronation	Demsrule86	May 2016	#127
Oh it is? You should tell the nice folks at Wikipedia they have been misreporting about converntions	Attorney in Texas	May 2016	#132
This is what it looks like when a liberal promises not to quit on a liberal agenda.	aikoaiko	May 2016	#122
Yeah helping Trump	Demsrule86	May 2016	#141
There is no evidence he is helping Trump.	aikoaiko	May 2016	#170
Why should Bernie get to dictate terms to the party?	Zynx	May 2016	#135
Hillary and supporters will not offer anything as has been demonstrated by...	Human101948	May 2016	#137
I have no idea	Demsrule86	May 2016	#142
Sorry to disappoint you, but Hillary is going to battle Trump for the presidency.	Beacool	May 2016	#146
Yup.	MineralMan	May 2016	#152
Expectations are lowered	KingFlorez	May 2016	#155
Barney Frank is one of my heroes	The Second Stone	May 2016	#168
THREATENS FLOOR FIGHT??? if he gets "in Hillary's face" .... throw him in jail.	trueblue2007	May 2016	#172
LOCKING AS DISRUPTIVE META	LostOne4Ever	May 2016	#174

Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:24 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

1. .

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Fri May 6, 2016, 12:35 PM

corkhead (6,119 posts)

13. I assume your picture represents the Hillary supporters crying because he is standing in the way

of the preordained coronation

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Response to corkhead (Reply #13)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:37 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

16. No, it represents those who can't lose with dignity and have to drag it out.

By preordained coronation, you mean the majority of Democratic voters?

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:42 PM

virtualobserver (8,760 posts)

20. by dragging it out, you mean letting all of the states vote, like in 2008?

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #20)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:45 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

23. All the states can vote. I have no problem with that.

Saying now that you're gonna start shit at the convention BEFORE all the states have voted (when you are CLEARLY not going to win), is dragging it out.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #23)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:49 PM

virtualobserver (8,760 posts)

33. it is called rallying the troops

breaking the corporate stranglehold on the party requires a more assertive stance.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #23)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

39. Dr. Are you replying to this OP, or to something you read somewhere else?

I see only a completion of a democratic process. Where's the shit?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #39)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:27 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

64. This OP, that says "Sanders Threatens Floor Fight".

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #64)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:34 PM

bvar22 (39,909 posts)

72. Sanders and his supporters have won enough votes, support, and states to be entitled to...

...representation at the Convention.
If the Hillary contingent's attitude is "We WON! Now STFU and give me my crown",
then say "Hello" to President Trump.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #72)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:44 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

78. By "crown" do you mean 3,000,000+ more voters? nt

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #78)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:02 PM

bvar22 (39,909 posts)

96. Are you aware that votes are not counted in caucus states,

many of which Bernie won by landslides?
Yes?
So your 3 million more votes is worse than meaningless, it is misleading.

Are you aware that Trump got 11 MILLION votes in the Republican Primary?
Are you sure you want to be chasing voters AWAY from Hillary at this point?
Doesn't seem very smart to me.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #96)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:16 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

102. Hillary got over 11 million votes herself.

And do you really think the caucuses voters who aren't counted would weight the popular vote to Bernie's favor?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #96)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:13 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

118. Are you aware

that caucus states combined don't have as many voters as Ohio or Pennsylvania.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #78)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:21 PM

Plucketeer (12,882 posts)

106. Crown?

Yes - the crown awarded by Democrats - not the populace.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #72)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:55 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

93. Bernie is entitled to nothing

He lost and should stop embarrassing himself.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #93)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:05 PM

bvar22 (39,909 posts)

99. Way to untie the Party!!!!

That is exactly the attitude I was talking about that alienate Bernie supporters, especially Independents and Millennials.
Good Luck trying to win the GE without them.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #99)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:15 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

120. I have lost interest

If Bernie has a floor fight then screwel him. Bernie who?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #99)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:08 PM

rock (13,218 posts)

149. If they are displeased they can take their (some or all) 10 million votes elsewhere

It's a free country. I only know of one other concession that takes them though.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #93)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:30 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

131. Bernie's supporters matter.

WE could decide the outcome for YOUR candidate.

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Response to senz (Reply #131)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:41 PM

MFM008 (19,727 posts)

153. and vice versa

but you guys knock yourselves out.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #93)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:39 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

138. Lol. What crap, dear.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #64)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:36 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

75. That was a cut and paste

the whole thing reads (in case you didn't go to the link - and you have to scroll down a bit - after the part where Obama says (all candidates should be vetted) Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is threatening a floor fight over rules and platform planks at the party's summer convention

And that's just a headline - not a quote.

I can see why you'd get all fired up though

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #75)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:43 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

77. I never said, not implied that it was a quote.

Nor am I fired up. I find you all quite hilarious. Never seen so many "political junkies" who act like this is the first primary they've ever seen.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #77)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:52 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

87. It's the first one like this that I've ever seen.

I'm only 55, so have only had the benefit of textbooks, which I read plenty of which earned me a uni degree and badge as political junkie 'the thing I do' for the last 35 years. So, stop it with the paternalistic 'good for you's' Damn, swore I wouldn't post shit like this, but you are needing a spanking!

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Fri May 6, 2016, 01:55 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

91. Oooh, only if you spank REAL hard!

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Fri May 6, 2016, 01:58 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

94. Thanks for making this real obvious to me

You are not here for discussion, just to shit disturb. Good-bye. It wasn't really fun.

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Fri May 6, 2016, 02:00 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

95. Well.... Bye.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #64)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:13 PM

trueblue2007 (16,761 posts)

173. fight? if he threatens and his people get violent, put them all in the slammer.

WE DON'T NEED VIOLENCE.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #20)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:59 PM

rock (13,218 posts)

147. Nice deflection

So BSoteric.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:54 PM

Kokonoe (2,485 posts)

43. It's not over.

And, yes Hillary has been rigging the election since she was robbed in 08.

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Response to Kokonoe (Reply #43)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:28 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

66. You got proof of that?

I thought not.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:55 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

45. The math says it's really, truly, NOT OVER.

Check it out, Dr. Hobbitstein:

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/

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Response to senz (Reply #45)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:28 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

67. #berniemath

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #67)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:51 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

85. Hill cannot reach 2,382 delegates before the convention.

I realize she's way ahead, but it's not over. It's not over.

You may not know this, but Bernie supporters do not want to see a corrupt, dishonest, bloodthirsty individual who lacks both conscience and judgment get into the White House.

Bernie Sanders is a decent, honest, intelligent person who shares our liberal democratic values and has shown exceptionally good judgment for decades.

If he cannot overcome a corrupt, destructive establishment, we want him to at least try. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie's movement is our last chance to take this country back for the people peacefully.

Your hashtag and video are the kind of cheap, insulting ridicule we have come to expect from the Hill campaign. I don't know how you can stand to be a part it. I would expect a loving father of an aspie daughter to be capable of greater sensitivity and kindness.

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Response to senz (Reply #85)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:53 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

89. She doesn't need to.

The supers will put her over, just as they put Obama over in '08. Neither of them had the amount (Hill was only down by 90.

And <self-censored> for bringing my daughter into this argument. She's aspie, NOT dellusional.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #89)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:55 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

111. The supers don't come into play UNTIL the convention.

Until then, she doesn't have and will not have the numbers.

I said nothing whatsoever about your daughter herself. I would not do that. I made a comment about you. I wrote:

I would expect a loving father of an aspie daughter to be capable of greater sensitivity and kindness.

How dare you twist my words around? I was referring to YOUR behavior. Don't hide behind her.

How low Hill supporters go. It amazes me every time. If your candidate weren't such a corrupt, greedy, dishonest, war-mongering miscreant, her supporters alone would be enough to decide my vote. It could be a moral IQ test.

Every single time.

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Response to senz (Reply #111)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:17 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

121. Why then do you suppose Hillary dropped out 90 days before the convention?

Supers can and no doubt will signal their intentions after California if not before. It is clear that Bernie will not be able to make any successful argument to the supers.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #121)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:28 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

130. Obama had decisively won the nomination by June 4th.

There was no path for Hillary at that point. He had already announced it. She had no choice.

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Response to senz (Reply #130)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:40 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

167. How far ahead of Hillary was Obama in Pledged Delegates, by June?

this argument is getting sillier by the day

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Response to senz (Reply #111)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:47 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

156. Do NOT bring up my daughter again.

You brought her up to denigrate me, then accuse me of hiding behind her? Who the fuck do you think you are?

You disgust me.

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Response to senz (Reply #111)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:51 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

159. You attempted to use his aspie daughter as a weapon against him. Vile and foolish.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #159)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:54 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

160. I did NOT. This is so ugly it's shocking me.

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Response to senz (Reply #160)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:59 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

162. Bullshit- you had no cause to drag his child into this. No reason at all. Disgusting.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #89)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:11 PM

SidDithers (44,228 posts)

116. "And for bringing my daughter into this argument. She's aspie, NOT dellusional."

That was a low blow.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #116)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:47 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

157. And they fucking doubled down on it, trying to turn it on me.

Fucking low, indeed.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #157)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:00 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

163. Some people have no bottom limit. Children are off limits among decent people. Not the first time

I have seen this stuff here.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #163)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:09 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

164. If we were in public, no way that poster would've said that shit. nt

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #164)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:14 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

165. Yes, gutless and lacking in decency.

A shame we have to wait to get community standards back, but I can see why Skinner thinks it has to happen after the BOBs are gone.

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Response to senz (Reply #45)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:29 PM

nolawarlock (1,729 posts)

108. Well, as long as there's a tiny chance he could get a simple majority, it's not really OVER ...

.... you are right about that.

However, while Hillary likely won't hit 2,383 and Bernie can't hit it, there's always the remote possibility he may erase the distance between them (what was it, 65% of all remaining delegates) to claim a simple majority. But how likely is it that he's going to get 65% of the remaining delegates? Neither candidate were going to hit 2,383 in 2008 either, especially with them being so close. Yeah, they only avoided a contested convention because Hillary dropped out, but the reality is, she's got the super delegates and the majority of them are never, ever going to switch to Bernie unless he has a significant simple majority over Hillary.

Your link is far more wishful thinking that it is math, hoping that tens of thousands of Bernie supporters gnashing their teeth and pulling their hair outside the convention are going to force the superdelegates' hands anymore than all the abuse the've heaped on the supers' social media pages. That sounds more like intimidation tactics than math but it's very unlikely to work in either case.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #108)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:18 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

123. There is no chance

And what has that to do with causing a floor fight at the convention?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #123)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:22 PM

nolawarlock (1,729 posts)

126. I was responding to the post above mine ...

Which dragged out all that #Berniemath complete with link. Were you meaning to respond to that as well?

As for the floor fight, at this point this candidate is determined to pour out any dignity he has left. Why not go all the way? Lol

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:35 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

74. Either way, it's a very mature post.

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Response to merrily (Reply #74)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:44 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

81. Because GD-P is the pinacle of maturity. nt

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #81)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:55 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

92. I know. GD P forced you to post that.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:44 PM

Shadowflash (1,536 posts)

79. Hmmm...

Last I heard, neither candidate has reached the required amount of delegates to 'win'.

Therefore, by default, no one has 'lost'.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #79)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:46 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

83. Sanders is in a position where he CANNOT get more pledged delegates than HRC.

Super-delegates have NEVER flipped an election.

Bernie can stay in all he wants, but he has no path to the nomination.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #83)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:04 PM

corkhead (6,119 posts)

98. "Super-delegates have NEVER flipped an election." - then why do the exist in the first place?

there's a first time for everything. What, no mention that Hillary had her reasons for staying in the race into June?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24796393/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-regrets-rfk-assassination-remark/#.Vyza6iEtUWE

In 2016, you never know when there might be an indictment coming down the pike.

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Response to corkhead (Reply #98)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:18 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

105. Didn't you hear? The indictment fairy was cancelled due to no eveidence.

And she stayed in in '08 because she was VERY close in numbers, and popular vote. Bernie is WAY behind in comparison.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #105)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:18 PM

corkhead (6,119 posts)

150. What, according to Dailydustbin? And who decides what number is close enough to stay in or not?

Maybe the candidate should make that call, and he is, like Hillary did in 08. Back then I wasn't the least bit worried about her staying in, because I didn't think it mattered. I don't understand that if he is so far behind according to you why is it such a big deal that Bernie stay in if he has lost anyway?

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Response to corkhead (Reply #150)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:15 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

166. Washington Post and PoliticsUSA, but you'll sweep them off in favor of you fantasy, I'm sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/05/email-scandal-crushed-fbi-finds-evidence-clinton-broke-law-private-email.html

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #166)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:10 PM

corkhead (6,119 posts)

171. Sure, you can be bereft of " malicious intent " but that doesn't mean

you aren't negligent.

You didn't answer my question. If he doesn't stand a chance, why are you so concerned about whether he stays in the race or not?

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:25 PM

JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

151. No one has won yet. Thus no one has lost yet. That's the point that Bernie is making.

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Response to corkhead (Reply #13)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:54 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

90. How about he is the primary loser

Standing in the way of winning the General. Bernie is a big disappointment; what a lousy way to end your career.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #90)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:04 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

113. Aww, rightwingers love the word "loser."

Read your comment and then look at your ridiculous"love and kindness" tagline. That's the kind of "love and kindness" we could expect if your reprehensible candidate were to finagle her way into the presidency. For the good of the country, let's hope it never happens.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #90)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:27 PM

Amaril (1,267 posts)

129. Wow

I think you need a

in your sig line.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:24 PM

Faux pas (14,284 posts)

2. Kickin'

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:25 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

3. Wow. After all these decades, Sanders has decided to engage as a Democrat.

Having just discovered the rules and that bending these rules could get him the nomination, he wants to fight it out.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

27. Didn't read the article huh? Just gotta get that childish hate out.

This floor fight has nothing to do with the nomination.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #27)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:03 PM

scscholar (2,902 posts)

50. But the atmospehere and feeling there...

do affect the nomination.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

29. I'm with Bernie!!!!!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:56 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

46. I know I am relatively new here, and sparse on posts

but I have been a lurker for years. And Buzz Clik - you are so predictable in your ad hominem attacks. I'm sure you are super popular at the cool kids parties, and probably buy the beer.

oh wait, was that unfair of me? Damn right it was.

I joined this site for the insightful comments. Getting scarce now. But I have recently (as a newbie-ish) discovered 'hide'. Things will become more civil after some pruning. Good-bye and be well.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #46)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:10 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

53. Yeah, if you've been lurking, you also know I love unintentional irony:

"you are so predictable in your ad hominem attacks"

followed immediately by

"I'm sure you are super popular at the cool kids parties, and probably buy the beer."

This kind of easily shredded buffoonery usually is the forte of right wing knuckledraggers.

Regardless, thanks for the laugh.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #53)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:53 PM

AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)

169. 😂😂😂😂

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:48 PM

G_j (40,359 posts)

143. Reading..

Is a worthwhile skill..

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Response to G_j (Reply #143)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:53 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

145. Yes, it is.

Your point?

Do you have one?

Do you have the spine to verbalize your point? Do you have the skills?

I'm sure you do. Let's hear it.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:25 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

4. Good

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:26 PM

SheenaR (2,052 posts)

7. Agreed n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:29 PM

Waiting For Everyman (9,385 posts)

10. Yes.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:51 PM

RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)

40. Yes. This is among the things that Sanders supporters are voting for

We support him because we want a voice in the political process.

How ironic that it takes an outsider to bring the Democratic Party back to the principles it used to proudly represent.

1. Freedom of speech
2. Freedom of worship
3. Freedom from want
4. Freedom from fear

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:25 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

5. Losers get some input, they don't get to write the rules. Always been that way.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #5)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

36. Leave us out, and see what happens to ya. Or turn to the Republican Neocons which probably

is more Hillary's style. More the pity.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #36)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:14 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

100. I said: you get some input, but you don't get to dictate terms. No one is 'left out'.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #100)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:38 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

136. You know what - one thing we get to do is decide what we do with our support, and that means

money, time, effort, and vote.

Also what we get to do with our voices and opinions and so forth. If the Democratic Party chooses to abandon us, there will be some consequences. Neither I nor you know fully what.

Those are the f'ing terms.

And the smug and snide way that Hillary supporters dismiss those who are only fighting for what Democrats have traditionally wanted, in the face of this being either watered down or subverted, is amazing to me.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #136)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:01 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

148. It's not smug. The majority gets majority say. That's called fairness.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:26 PM

SFnomad (3,473 posts)

6. It's going to be a short "floor fight" ... with Secretary Clinton winning in the first round n/t

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #6)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:37 PM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

15. Because 1968 worked out so well?

If the DNClinton blocks reform/platform issues from Sanders supporters, they'll be quite content to leave the party to the neocons and limousine liberals and form a real liberal party to the left. Sanders has shown corporate money not necessary.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #15)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:45 PM

CorkySt.Clair (1,507 posts)

24. This isn't the 60's

Time to close the yearbook.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #24)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

35. Those ignorant of history repeat it.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #6)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

31. The floor fight in the article relates to the platform not the nomination.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #31)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:53 PM

SFnomad (3,473 posts)

110. Yeah, so? He's not going to win many of those either, unless Secretary Clinton and her team

supports it as well. That's typically how these things go. Yes, the loser(s) get input, but they don't get to write the platform.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:27 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

8. More foot stomping!!

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:28 PM

Tarc (10,441 posts)

9. If Sanders keeps this up, he'll be lucky if his office isn't relocated to the Senate basement

There will be political repercussions for being this much of a sore loser.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #9)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:31 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

11. Are you privy to the Clinton Hit List?

She will have her revenge.

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #11)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:33 PM

Tarc (10,441 posts)

12. I really hope that isn't an allusion to the silly "lots of people die around the Clintons" meme

from the 90s.

I just mean politically, e.g. being stripped of committee seniority.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #12)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:39 PM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

17. Clinton enemies list well known.

They targeted several incumbent Dems who they didn't feel gave her enough support in 2008.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #12)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:39 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

18. I wasn't referring to that...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067_Page3.html#.VyzIU4QrLIU

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #18)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:30 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

69. Like Nixon's enemies list

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Response to Tarc (Reply #12)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:22 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

60. Several reports on the Hillary hit list

Here's another. Read it. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

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Response to Tarc (Reply #9)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:45 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

25. Believe me, that won't happen. It's not just his donor list either

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Response to cali (Reply #25)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

Tarc (10,441 posts)

30. I want them to work together in the end, but he can't hold out for that much

The 2nd-place finisher gets some say in the platform and such, but this seems a bit silly to threaten a floor fight.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #30)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:06 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

51. floor fight? Who said that? Just a headline. A say in the platform is not a floor fight but MSM

is like a kid with a skateboard with a free pass on an open road. Or, a drug addict "More please". In an age where they see themselves become inconsequential, they have to promise blood cause Trump gave them a good taste of it.

Don't buy the hype. Sanders will support Hillary. He will negotiate for some say in the platform. PERIOD.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #9)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:27 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

63. You appear to support revenge politics.

Certainly you've picked the right candidate for yourself.

But don't forget Hill's refusal to concede in 2008.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:35 PM

madaboutharry (39,232 posts)

14. After all these years we are finally finding out

what is colleagues in Congress and in the Senate have known about him all along. He is a JERK!

No wonder Barnie Frank can't stand him.

I also wonder how much of this is coming from Jane Sanders, the former autocratic, dictatorial, and micro-managing hostile workplace creating past President of Burlington College. She is a piece of work and no doubt has much influence over his campaign.

He must be thinking of retiring frrom the Senate at the end of his term, evidenced by his bridge burning behavior towards the Democratic party. Once he goes back to the Senate, he will be moved from the back bench to out in the hallway.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:44 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

22. The DNC has already put their party in the basement...

Lost the House, lost the Senate, lost 900 seats in state legislatures.

Keep up the good work! Keep holding that center right incrementalist position. It's doing so well for us.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:46 PM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

26. Hillary's favorability numbers well underwater.

'Maddie' won't even give her a dollar.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:54 PM

catnhatnh (8,976 posts)

42. BANKER BARNEY?????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #42)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:21 PM

AzDar (14,023 posts)

107. Right? I'm sure Bernie is really perturbed that a ridiculous sell-out like Barney hates him...

That's a goddamned badge of honor!

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Response to AzDar (Reply #107)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:49 PM

bvar22 (39,909 posts)

158. Bernie said at the debates,

"Yes. The RICH won't like me, but Wall Street will like me even less."
Like so many other things, Bernie was right about Barney too!

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:41 PM

DCBob (24,689 posts)

19. Bernie will be fighting with himself because there is no one to fight.. the fight is over.

Bernie!

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Response to DCBob (Reply #19)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:50 PM

Beowulf (761 posts)

144. The fight has just begun.

This primary is simply the beginning of what likely will be a long struggle. Neoliberalism must be vanquished!

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:44 PM

mmonk (52,589 posts)

21. I'm glad he is. The silenced need to be heard.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #21)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

28. Yep.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:49 PM

grasswire (50,130 posts)

32. THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!!

Fighting for democracy! Go Bernie! Show the kids how it's done!

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Response to grasswire (Reply #32)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:24 PM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

61. Hillary: +3.1 million votes

Democracy in action.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #61)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:46 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

82. Yup she's got that. In an increasingly marginalized wing of the party courting Bush surrogates. Yay?

General Election polls (all voters) show the real # of Americans don't agree. Especially in swing states where it will matter most.

from RealClearPolitics. state Sanders Trump spread (Hillary spread)

National 56 40 16 (6)

Florida 50 42 8* (5)
New York 56.7 33.5 23.2 (21)
Penn 51.3 38 13.3 (8)
Ohio 46.3 42 4.3 (3)
Michigan 55 36 19* (10)
NCarolina 46 43 3* (2)
Virginia 49 36 13* (10)
NewHamp 58 31 27* (8)
WI 52 33 19* (11)
Iowa 49 40 9 (7)

*took the most recent instead of average, where averages do not reflect the last 3 months

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #82)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:34 PM

Nonhlanhla (2,074 posts)

134. Hillary's "wing" of the party is largely made up

of women and People of Color, in particular African Americans. Are these the increasingly marginalized people in the Democratic Party you are talking about?

If so, then it looks like the Bernie revolution might be about bringing back the party of Roosevelt, which was also the party of segregation.

But I'm sure you don't really want to dismiss Hillary's voters like this...

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #134)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:45 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

154. Ah, damn you read what you like.

What I said was the democratic party is marginalizing themselves and then gave the example of courting Bush surrogate money. Where you see color and women is beyond me, but, hey, if that floats your boat, go for it! I personally don't see any examples of your vision in Sanders' platform. Yup, the demographics do speak, but they also speak for early voting states, before the message was getting out. Definite, indisputable change there too as the media's blackout is being overcome.

Sorry you feel so defensive. Wouldn't it be nice to live in the kind of world where that defense was less necessary? That's what we all want. We don't need people pitting eachother against eachother striving for the same shore.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #154)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:54 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

161. on second thought, if you read what I wrote, and stand by your words

are you saying AA and women are willing to sacrifice democratic values and support courting the right? I don't think you meant that, or you wouldn't be here, no?
I didn't mean that. Not at all. I meant there is a strong marginal wing of the democratic party that sees power in the GOP desperation, and has gone looking down that dangerous path.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #32)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:32 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

70. +1

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

Onlooker (5,636 posts)

34. Will Sanders try to overturn the Amber Alert system?

He voted against it. Maybe he can get the Democratic Party to back him?

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #34)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:54 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

44. Man, that sure is weak...

Why have AMBER Alerts been ineffective? As a 2007 Pacific Standard article notes, most kidnapped children who eventually end up murdered are killed within three hours of their abduction. Yet AMBER Alerts are rarely issued within that critical window. It takes time for the authorities to get their act together, and by the time the alert goes out, it is often too late to make any difference.

In any event, those sorts of kidnappings are very rare. The vast majority of child abductions in this country are committed by relatives or acquaintances—estranged parents and such who usually mean the children no harm. Even though AMBER Alerts are only supposed to be issued in “the most serious child-abduction cases,” they are nevertheless used in domestic cases like these—cases where, Griffin argues, AMBER Alerts might actually serve to escalate an otherwise manageable situation. “We looked at a parental abduction where the dad was located thanks to a citizen tip prompted by an AMBER Alert,” Griffin told Pacific Standard. “Law enforcement swooped in there. There was a big standoff, and the guy ultimately killed himself. We coded that case as ‘AMBER Alert saved a kid from a dangerous situation.’ But for all we know, the AMBER Alert made it a dangerous situation.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/08/08/amber_alert_california_let_s_get_rid_of_the_amber_alert_system.html

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

asuhornets (2,405 posts)

37. What in the world makes you belive Sanders is ready to be president?

Where is his track record?

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #37)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:58 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

48. About all of his adult life. Way more than Obama had. n/t

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #48)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:01 PM

asuhornets (2,405 posts)

49. He didn't get a real job until he was 40 years old.. n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #49)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:09 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

52. You mean a Corporate Job, of course. His background is well known.

Also, he was poor, raised by immigrants, et al., missed out on the Silver Spoon.

He's ALWAYS been on the People's Side. I know you won't read this, but perhaps others will.

When the People are ready, the Leader will appear.

http://www.biography.com/people/bernie-sanders

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM

BootinUp (45,007 posts)

38. I think Bernie is running out of time as far as getting a lot of support

The media is moving on as a result of the real state of the race which is Hillary vs. Trump. Bernie will have less and less of an audience going forward, and those still paying attention will take him less and less seriously.

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Fri May 6, 2016, 12:53 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

41. angry dude, tapping into the pocketbook of those intent to affirm their mass delusions of winning.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #41)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:17 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

58. Well, at least he doesn't scream as he pokes a questioner in the chest. LOL.

There's an old saying, If you're not angry, you're not paying attention. Fits well here. And the pittances many of us give him is due to the fact that he doesn't rent himself out to the Corporate Pandering Class.

What do you call $300,000 tapping into the pocket book. Pocket change? Perhaps that explains your response. Good for you.

This is a class war. So, we'll not be dismissed by your hubris.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:56 PM

philly_bob (2,416 posts)

47. I hope Bernie has strong presence at the convention.

Check out the comments in the HC Group. They're absolutely outraged at the idea that Sanders' numerous strong and enthusiastic supporters -- the party's future -- want to have any say in the party platform.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107126284

That's the problem with the the separate HC group on DU, which has banned dissenting voices (including mine). It's like an audio feedback loop -- it just gets louder. When the primary is over, I hope DU admins reconsider this approach.

And I hope Bernie stays in until the end so he can speak for many of us at the convention.

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Response to philly_bob (Reply #47)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:20 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

124. They're up to 869 banned DUers now...

Many like myself banned for inadvertently posting something seemingly innocuous, often without realizing that they had entered the Forbidden Zone.

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Response to philly_bob (Reply #47)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:33 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

133. I started watching conventions in 1954 both D & R. In the

1980s the conventions were turned into planned coronations events that showed only unity. They were no longer the traditional conventions where numerous candidates were present and voted on. Where the problems of the party were worked out in front of the cameras. Where there were open demonstrations such as the ones in 68. The convention was a place were everyone got to have their say.

What Hillary and her supporters want is to continue this coronation show and sweep the problems under the rug and make all decisions behind closed doors with ONLY Hillary supporters present.

This is and never has been a form of democracy.

Go Bernie.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:10 PM

redstateblues (10,564 posts)

54. Bernie will endorse Hillary at the convention

Start getting used to it

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:10 PM

DookDook (166 posts)

55. I hope Senator Sanders continues to fight for us progressives.

As Frank Zappa said, 'the meek shall inherit nothing,' so at least we have Bernie Sanders standing up for us.

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Response to DookDook (Reply #55)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:28 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

68. Yes. Bernie Sanders is the only hope for poor and working people.

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Response to DookDook (Reply #55)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:22 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

125. Sanders is not fighting for me

Now he is fighting Hillary just like Trump. Once the GOP had a nominee, there was no reason to go to California...he should concede.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:12 PM

MineralMan (145,725 posts)

56. Unless he has a majority of pledged delegates,

he'll lose that floor fight, too. It's a waste of his and our time, unless he goes in with a pledged delegate majority. In that case, he'll end up as the nominee and become the head of the Democratic Party. If that's what you want, then campaigning for him in the remaining states is the way to get it.

The same majority of pledged delegates, along with the superdelegates, will prevent a floor fight by the second-place candidate from taking place. That's how it works, you see.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #56)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:26 PM

Turin_C3PO (12,024 posts)

62. I think

it's fair for him to request that a certain amount of committee members are of his political persuasion. Ultimately of course it's the DNC's decision,but they should definitely consider it.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #62)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:11 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

117. Depends what he has to offer in exchange. nt

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #56)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:34 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

71. Tunnel vision and short sighted.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #56)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:33 PM

nolawarlock (1,729 posts)

109. Bernie is the very epitome of the entitlement mentality that plagues us...

... so no one should be surprised that he's going to have a tantrum through the entire process. It wouldn't shock me if they end up having to have security drag him out of the convention kicking and screaming. The man has no dignity left.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:12 PM

oldandhappy (6,719 posts)

57. Hope some of the Sanders issues

make it into the platform. Does not mean clinton will do anything with any of the issues, but would make me happy to have them included in the platform. She is such a control freak. She could put a stop to all this with a little inclusiveness.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:17 PM

Kokonoe (2,485 posts)

59. Hillary's team had better not go this thing alone.

Without progressive support and against republicans its a...... well its her call.

She has assets to look after her beautiful foundation.

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Response to Kokonoe (Reply #59)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:40 PM

lumberjack_jeff (33,224 posts)

76. Sanders supporters aren't important donors to her foundation.

Not like the Trumps of the world, anyhow.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:27 PM

Hiraeth (4,805 posts)

65. I just got it on ~good authority~ he will throw his support with Hillary at the convention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1912460

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #65)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:44 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

80. That's one from our side I had to put on full ignore. /

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #65)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:39 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

140. If he does that

It is too little and too late....never forgive him and never support him in anything. I will continue as I do now ...turning off the television if he is on...not on much lately anyway.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:35 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

73. Barney Fucking Frank /

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:47 PM

whatthehey (3,660 posts)

84. And he should have input on all committees, platform especially

Doesn't necessarily, or even probably, have to control the chairs to do that.

HRC delegates with chair and 50-60% of members? no prob. 95%? Tad unfair, surely?

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:52 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

86. Who's going to play the Mayor Daley part at the convention?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #86)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:39 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

139. Bill Clinton?

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:53 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

88. NO.

Have your floor fight...you will only look foolish. To the victors go the spoils...you lost. The end.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:03 PM

JTFrog (14,274 posts)

97. Yea, I have only one comment in reply.

Too bad it would get me permabanned.

But I'm definitely thinking it.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:15 PM

Orsino (37,428 posts)

101. Standing committes are another Establishment bastion.

The Establishment does not unilaterally disarm. It has to be dragged in the right direction by popular demand.

The magnitude of Sanders' support ought to move the needle a bit, if voters stil count for something.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:17 PM

nolawarlock (1,729 posts)

103. Are you really accusing Hillary supporters of being pro death squads?

That's pretty rude.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:17 PM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

104. Bernie disrupting the democratic convention is a prelude

to his announcement of a third party run.

If he can't get the nomination, he will make sure Trump wins and "brings the revolution".

I'm sure that was the plan all along.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:57 PM

Ferd Berfel (3,687 posts)

112. Good

If previous DLC Third Way types Gore and Kerry had more guts to fight we might not be in the mess in the first place.

Go Bernie

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:06 PM

Gothmog (136,433 posts)

114. Sanders is lying about contested convention to keep small dollar donations coming

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:09 PM

SidDithers (44,228 posts)

115. ...

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #115)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:24 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

128. More Dithering...

from Sid

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:14 PM

Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)

119. ALERT: Candidate threatens to turn political convention from coronation into a political convention!

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #119)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:23 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

127. A convention is always a coronation

Bernie should know better.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #127)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:30 PM

Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)

132. Oh it is? You should tell the nice folks at Wikipedia they have been misreporting about converntions

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:17 PM

aikoaiko (33,828 posts)

122. This is what it looks like when a liberal promises not to quit on a liberal agenda.

And its fuckin awesome.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #122)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:41 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

141. Yeah helping Trump

is a fucking awesome move for the Bern.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #141)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:28 PM

aikoaiko (33,828 posts)

170. There is no evidence he is helping Trump.

HRC fans Are merely inconvenienced by Bernie's campaign.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:36 PM

Zynx (21,328 posts)

135. Why should Bernie get to dictate terms to the party?

This is why he'd be a terrible president. He doesn't understand how to make deals.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #135)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:38 PM

Human101948 (3,457 posts)

137. Hillary and supporters will not offer anything as has been demonstrated by...

the selection of the platform committee. Politics is also about using your strength and fighting for your position.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #135)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:42 PM

Demsrule86 (67,223 posts)

142. I have no idea

He is ego driven I guess.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:54 PM

Beacool (30,219 posts)

146. Sorry to disappoint you, but Hillary is going to battle Trump for the presidency.

The only ones whining seems to be those on the losing side. Hopefully, Sanders will be as gracious as Hillary was in 2008 and release his delegates at the convention so that Hillary can be nominated by acclamation, like Obama was in 2008.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #146)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:25 PM

MineralMan (145,725 posts)

152. Yup.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:46 PM

KingFlorez (12,689 posts)

155. Expectations are lowered

This is a concession of the nomination right here. If he's only threatening a floor fight over the platform, then he is conceding the nomination.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:50 PM

The Second Stone (2,900 posts)

168. Barney Frank is one of my heroes

and if Sanders doesn't like him, he doesn't have to vote for him. If he had wanted to control the convention, he should have secured more delegates and started making allies in the Democratic Party decades ago, like the rest of us.

Barney Frank is above the cheap shot personal attacks Sanders just launched.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:12 PM

trueblue2007 (16,761 posts)

172. THREATENS FLOOR FIGHT??? if he gets "in Hillary's face" .... throw him in jail.

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Sat May 7, 2016, 12:26 AM

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