Sanders Threatens Floor Fight at Dem Convention

[Human101948]

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" Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is threatening a floor fight over rules and platform planks at the party's summer convention if the Democratic National Committee stacks the committees with supporters of Hillary Clinton.

Sanders writes in a letter to Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz that the makeup of the standing committees should reflect the level of support that he and Clinton received in the primaries and caucuses.

He says many of his supporters have not been included and notes Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy will be in charge of the convention's platform committee and former Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank will run the rules committee. He calls both "aggressive attack surrogates" for Clinton."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-trump-britain-off-eu-38924521

I have one comment Hillary supporters, tell her to go back to New York, Arkansas, Illinois. I am really tired of your whining bullshit. Maybe you can start another war, or better yet, why not join Henry Kissinger and the death squads, that is more your style.

on edit--
P.S.--The comment above was a paraphrase of the original post in Hillary Group which excoriated Bernie. I just changed the names. Credit where credit is due.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. .

[corkhead]

13. I assume your picture represents the Hillary supporters crying because he is standing in the way

of the preordained coronation

[Dr Hobbitstein]

16. No, it represents those who can't lose with dignity and have to drag it out.

By preordained coronation, you mean the majority of Democratic voters?

[virtualobserver]

20. by dragging it out, you mean letting all of the states vote, like in 2008?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

23. All the states can vote. I have no problem with that.

Saying now that you're gonna start shit at the convention BEFORE all the states have voted (when you are CLEARLY not going to win), is dragging it out.

[virtualobserver]

33. it is called rallying the troops

breaking the corporate stranglehold on the party requires a more assertive stance.

[floppyboo]

39. Dr. Are you replying to this OP, or to something you read somewhere else?

I see only a completion of a democratic process. Where's the shit?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

64. This OP, that says "Sanders Threatens Floor Fight".

[bvar22]

72. Sanders and his supporters have won enough votes, support, and states to be entitled to...

...representation at the Convention.
If the Hillary contingent's attitude is "We WON! Now STFU and give me my crown",
then say "Hello" to President Trump.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

78. By "crown" do you mean 3,000,000+ more voters? nt

[bvar22]

96. Are you aware that votes are not counted in caucus states,

many of which Bernie won by landslides?
Yes?
So your 3 million more votes is worse than meaningless, it is misleading.

Are you aware that Trump got 11 MILLION votes in the Republican Primary?
Are you sure you want to be chasing voters AWAY from Hillary at this point?
Doesn't seem very smart to me.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

102. Hillary got over 11 million votes herself.

And do you really think the caucuses voters who aren't counted would weight the popular vote to Bernie's favor?

[Demsrule86]

118. Are you aware

that caucus states combined don't have as many voters as Ohio or Pennsylvania.

[Plucketeer]

106. Crown?

Yes - the crown awarded by Democrats - not the populace.

[Demsrule86]

93. Bernie is entitled to nothing

He lost and should stop embarrassing himself.

[bvar22]

99. Way to untie the Party!!!!

That is exactly the attitude I was talking about that alienate Bernie supporters, especially Independents and Millennials.
Good Luck trying to win the GE without them.

[Demsrule86]

120. I have lost interest

If Bernie has a floor fight then screwel him. Bernie who?

[rock]

149. If they are displeased they can take their (some or all) 10 million votes elsewhere

It's a free country. I only know of one other concession that takes them though.

[senz]

131. Bernie's supporters matter.

WE could decide the outcome for YOUR candidate.

[MFM008]

153. and vice versa

but you guys knock yourselves out.

[cali]

138. Lol. What crap, dear.

[floppyboo]

75. That was a cut and paste

the whole thing reads (in case you didn't go to the link - and you have to scroll down a bit - after the part where Obama says (all candidates should be vetted) Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is threatening a floor fight over rules and platform planks at the party's summer convention

And that's just a headline - not a quote.

I can see why you'd get all fired up though

[Dr Hobbitstein]

77. I never said, not implied that it was a quote.

Nor am I fired up. I find you all quite hilarious. Never seen so many "political junkies" who act like this is the first primary they've ever seen.

[floppyboo]

87. It's the first one like this that I've ever seen.

I'm only 55, so have only had the benefit of textbooks, which I read plenty of which earned me a uni degree and badge as political junkie 'the thing I do' for the last 35 years. So, stop it with the paternalistic 'good for you's' Damn, swore I wouldn't post shit like this, but you are needing a spanking!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

91. Oooh, only if you spank REAL hard!

[floppyboo]

94. Thanks for making this real obvious to me

You are not here for discussion, just to shit disturb. Good-bye. It wasn't really fun.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

95. Well.... Bye.

[trueblue2007]

173. fight? if he threatens and his people get violent, put them all in the slammer.

WE DON'T NEED VIOLENCE.

[rock]

147. Nice deflection

So BSoteric.

[Kokonoe]

43. It's not over.

And, yes Hillary has been rigging the election since she was robbed in 08.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

66. You got proof of that?

I thought not.

[senz]

45. The math says it's really, truly, NOT OVER.

Check it out, Dr. Hobbitstein:

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/

[Dr Hobbitstein]

67. #berniemath

[senz]

85. Hill cannot reach 2,382 delegates before the convention.

I realize she's way ahead, but it's not over. It's not over.

You may not know this, but Bernie supporters do not want to see a corrupt, dishonest, bloodthirsty individual who lacks both conscience and judgment get into the White House.

Bernie Sanders is a decent, honest, intelligent person who shares our liberal democratic values and has shown exceptionally good judgment for decades.

If he cannot overcome a corrupt, destructive establishment, we want him to at least try. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie's movement is our last chance to take this country back for the people peacefully.

Your hashtag and video are the kind of cheap, insulting ridicule we have come to expect from the Hill campaign. I don't know how you can stand to be a part it. I would expect a loving father of an aspie daughter to be capable of greater sensitivity and kindness.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

89. She doesn't need to.

The supers will put her over, just as they put Obama over in '08. Neither of them had the amount (Hill was only down by 90.

And <self-censored> for bringing my daughter into this argument. She's aspie, NOT dellusional.

[senz]

111. The supers don't come into play UNTIL the convention.

Until then, she doesn't have and will not have the numbers.

I said nothing whatsoever about your daughter herself. I would not do that. I made a comment about you. I wrote:

I would expect a loving father of an aspie daughter to be capable of greater sensitivity and kindness.

How dare you twist my words around? I was referring to YOUR behavior. Don't hide behind her.

How low Hill supporters go. It amazes me every time. If your candidate weren't such a corrupt, greedy, dishonest, war-mongering miscreant, her supporters alone would be enough to decide my vote. It could be a moral IQ test.

Every single time.

[Demsrule86]

121. Why then do you suppose Hillary dropped out 90 days before the convention?

Supers can and no doubt will signal their intentions after California if not before. It is clear that Bernie will not be able to make any successful argument to the supers.

[senz]

130. Obama had decisively won the nomination by June 4th.

There was no path for Hillary at that point. He had already announced it. She had no choice.

[Sheepshank]

167. How far ahead of Hillary was Obama in Pledged Delegates, by June?

this argument is getting sillier by the day

[Dr Hobbitstein]

156. Do NOT bring up my daughter again.

You brought her up to denigrate me, then accuse me of hiding behind her? Who the fuck do you think you are?

You disgust me.

[bettyellen]

159. You attempted to use his aspie daughter as a weapon against him. Vile and foolish.

[senz]

160. I did NOT. This is so ugly it's shocking me.

[bettyellen]

162. Bullshit- you had no cause to drag his child into this. No reason at all. Disgusting.

[SidDithers]

116. "And for bringing my daughter into this argument. She's aspie, NOT dellusional."

That was a low blow.

Sid

[Dr Hobbitstein]

157. And they fucking doubled down on it, trying to turn it on me.

Fucking low, indeed.

[bettyellen]

163. Some people have no bottom limit. Children are off limits among decent people. Not the first time

I have seen this stuff here.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

164. If we were in public, no way that poster would've said that shit. nt

[bettyellen]

165. Yes, gutless and lacking in decency.

A shame we have to wait to get community standards back, but I can see why Skinner thinks it has to happen after the BOBs are gone.

[nolawarlock]

108. Well, as long as there's a tiny chance he could get a simple majority, it's not really OVER ...

.... you are right about that.

However, while Hillary likely won't hit 2,383 and Bernie can't hit it, there's always the remote possibility he may erase the distance between them (what was it, 65% of all remaining delegates) to claim a simple majority. But how likely is it that he's going to get 65% of the remaining delegates? Neither candidate were going to hit 2,383 in 2008 either, especially with them being so close. Yeah, they only avoided a contested convention because Hillary dropped out, but the reality is, she's got the super delegates and the majority of them are never, ever going to switch to Bernie unless he has a significant simple majority over Hillary.

Your link is far more wishful thinking that it is math, hoping that tens of thousands of Bernie supporters gnashing their teeth and pulling their hair outside the convention are going to force the superdelegates' hands anymore than all the abuse the've heaped on the supers' social media pages. That sounds more like intimidation tactics than math but it's very unlikely to work in either case.

[Demsrule86]

123. There is no chance

And what has that to do with causing a floor fight at the convention?

[nolawarlock]

126. I was responding to the post above mine ...

Which dragged out all that #Berniemath complete with link. Were you meaning to respond to that as well?

As for the floor fight, at this point this candidate is determined to pour out any dignity he has left. Why not go all the way? Lol

[merrily]

74. Either way, it's a very mature post.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

81. Because GD-P is the pinacle of maturity. nt

[merrily]

92. I know. GD P forced you to post that.

[Shadowflash]

79. Hmmm...

Last I heard, neither candidate has reached the required amount of delegates to 'win'.

Therefore, by default, no one has 'lost'.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

83. Sanders is in a position where he CANNOT get more pledged delegates than HRC.

Super-delegates have NEVER flipped an election.

Bernie can stay in all he wants, but he has no path to the nomination.

[corkhead]

98. "Super-delegates have NEVER flipped an election." - then why do the exist in the first place?

there's a first time for everything. What, no mention that Hillary had her reasons for staying in the race into June?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24796393/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-regrets-rfk-assassination-remark/#.Vyza6iEtUWE

In 2016, you never know when there might be an indictment coming down the pike.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

105. Didn't you hear? The indictment fairy was cancelled due to no eveidence.

And she stayed in in '08 because she was VERY close in numbers, and popular vote. Bernie is WAY behind in comparison.

[corkhead]

150. What, according to Dailydustbin? And who decides what number is close enough to stay in or not?

Maybe the candidate should make that call, and he is, like Hillary did in 08. Back then I wasn't the least bit worried about her staying in, because I didn't think it mattered. I don't understand that if he is so far behind according to you why is it such a big deal that Bernie stay in if he has lost anyway?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

166. Washington Post and PoliticsUSA, but you'll sweep them off in favor of you fantasy, I'm sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/05/email-scandal-crushed-fbi-finds-evidence-clinton-broke-law-private-email.html

[corkhead]

171. Sure, you can be bereft of " malicious intent " but that doesn't mean

you aren't negligent.

You didn't answer my question. If he doesn't stand a chance, why are you so concerned about whether he stays in the race or not?

[JDPriestly]

151. No one has won yet. Thus no one has lost yet. That's the point that Bernie is making.

[Demsrule86]

90. How about he is the primary loser

Standing in the way of winning the General. Bernie is a big disappointment; what a lousy way to end your career.

[senz]

113. Aww, rightwingers love the word "loser."

Read your comment and then look at your ridiculous"love and kindness" tagline. That's the kind of "love and kindness" we could expect if your reprehensible candidate were to finagle her way into the presidency. For the good of the country, let's hope it never happens.

[Amaril]

129. Wow

I think you need a in your sig line.

[Faux pas]

2. Kickin'

[Buzz Clik]

3. Wow. After all these decades, Sanders has decided to engage as a Democrat.

Having just discovered the rules and that bending these rules could get him the nomination, he wants to fight it out.

[morningfog]

27. Didn't read the article huh? Just gotta get that childish hate out.

This floor fight has nothing to do with the nomination.

[scscholar]

50. But the atmospehere and feeling there...

do affect the nomination.

[highprincipleswork]

29. I'm with Bernie!!!!!

[floppyboo]

46. I know I am relatively new here, and sparse on posts

but I have been a lurker for years. And Buzz Clik - you are so predictable in your ad hominem attacks. I'm sure you are super popular at the cool kids parties, and probably buy the beer.

oh wait, was that unfair of me? Damn right it was.

I joined this site for the insightful comments. Getting scarce now. But I have recently (as a newbie-ish) discovered 'hide'. Things will become more civil after some pruning. Good-bye and be well.

[Buzz Clik]

53. Yeah, if you've been lurking, you also know I love unintentional irony:

"you are so predictable in your ad hominem attacks"

followed immediately by

"I'm sure you are super popular at the cool kids parties, and probably buy the beer."

This kind of easily shredded buffoonery usually is the forte of right wing knuckledraggers.

Regardless, thanks for the laugh.

[AgadorSparticus]

169. 😂😂😂😂

[G_j]

143. Reading..

Is a worthwhile skill..

[Buzz Clik]

145. Yes, it is.

Your point?

Do you have one?

Do you have the spine to verbalize your point? Do you have the skills?

I'm sure you do. Let's hear it.

[cali]

4. Good

[SheenaR]

7. Agreed n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

10. Yes.

[RufusTFirefly]

40. Yes. This is among the things that Sanders supporters are voting for

We support him because we want a voice in the political process.

How ironic that it takes an outsider to bring the Democratic Party back to the principles it used to proudly represent.

1. Freedom of speech
2. Freedom of worship
3. Freedom from want
4. Freedom from fear

[CrowCityDem]

5. Losers get some input, they don't get to write the rules. Always been that way.

[highprincipleswork]

36. Leave us out, and see what happens to ya. Or turn to the Republican Neocons which probably

is more Hillary's style. More the pity.

[CrowCityDem]

100. I said: you get some input, but you don't get to dictate terms. No one is 'left out'.

[highprincipleswork]

136. You know what - one thing we get to do is decide what we do with our support, and that means

money, time, effort, and vote.

Also what we get to do with our voices and opinions and so forth. If the Democratic Party chooses to abandon us, there will be some consequences. Neither I nor you know fully what.

Those are the f'ing terms.

And the smug and snide way that Hillary supporters dismiss those who are only fighting for what Democrats have traditionally wanted, in the face of this being either watered down or subverted, is amazing to me.

[CrowCityDem]

148. It's not smug. The majority gets majority say. That's called fairness.

[SFnomad]

6. It's going to be a short "floor fight" ... with Secretary Clinton winning in the first round n/t

[HooptieWagon]

15. Because 1968 worked out so well?

If the DNClinton blocks reform/platform issues from Sanders supporters, they'll be quite content to leave the party to the neocons and limousine liberals and form a real liberal party to the left. Sanders has shown corporate money not necessary.

[CorkySt.Clair]

24. This isn't the 60's

Time to close the yearbook.

[HooptieWagon]

35. Those ignorant of history repeat it.

[morningfog]

31. The floor fight in the article relates to the platform not the nomination.

[SFnomad]

110. Yeah, so? He's not going to win many of those either, unless Secretary Clinton and her team

supports it as well. That's typically how these things go. Yes, the loser(s) get input, but they don't get to write the platform.

[JoePhilly]

8. More foot stomping!!

[Tarc]

9. If Sanders keeps this up, he'll be lucky if his office isn't relocated to the Senate basement

There will be political repercussions for being this much of a sore loser.

[Human101948]

11. Are you privy to the Clinton Hit List?

She will have her revenge.

[Tarc]

12. I really hope that isn't an allusion to the silly "lots of people die around the Clintons" meme

from the 90s.

I just mean politically, e.g. being stripped of committee seniority.

[HooptieWagon]

17. Clinton enemies list well known.

They targeted several incumbent Dems who they didn't feel gave her enough support in 2008.

[Human101948]

18. I wasn't referring to that...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067_Page3.html#.VyzIU4QrLIU

[merrily]

69. Like Nixon's enemies list

[senz]

60. Several reports on the Hillary hit list

Here's another. Read it. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

[cali]

25. Believe me, that won't happen. It's not just his donor list either

[Tarc]

30. I want them to work together in the end, but he can't hold out for that much

The 2nd-place finisher gets some say in the platform and such, but this seems a bit silly to threaten a floor fight.

[floppyboo]

51. floor fight? Who said that? Just a headline. A say in the platform is not a floor fight but MSM

is like a kid with a skateboard with a free pass on an open road. Or, a drug addict "More please". In an age where they see themselves become inconsequential, they have to promise blood cause Trump gave them a good taste of it.

Don't buy the hype. Sanders will support Hillary. He will negotiate for some say in the platform. PERIOD.

[senz]

63. You appear to support revenge politics.

Certainly you've picked the right candidate for yourself.

But don't forget Hill's refusal to concede in 2008.

[madaboutharry]

14. After all these years we are finally finding out

what is colleagues in Congress and in the Senate have known about him all along. He is a JERK!

No wonder Barnie Frank can't stand him.

I also wonder how much of this is coming from Jane Sanders, the former autocratic, dictatorial, and micro-managing hostile workplace creating past President of Burlington College. She is a piece of work and no doubt has much influence over his campaign.

He must be thinking of retiring frrom the Senate at the end of his term, evidenced by his bridge burning behavior towards the Democratic party. Once he goes back to the Senate, he will be moved from the back bench to out in the hallway.

[Human101948]

22. The DNC has already put their party in the basement...

Lost the House, lost the Senate, lost 900 seats in state legislatures.

Keep up the good work! Keep holding that center right incrementalist position. It's doing so well for us.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Hillary's favorability numbers well underwater.

'Maddie' won't even give her a dollar.

[catnhatnh]

42. BANKER BARNEY?????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[AzDar]

107. Right? I'm sure Bernie is really perturbed that a ridiculous sell-out like Barney hates him...

That's a goddamned badge of honor!

[bvar22]

158. Bernie said at the debates,

"Yes. The RICH won't like me, but Wall Street will like me even less."
Like so many other things, Bernie was right about Barney too!

[DCBob]

19. Bernie will be fighting with himself because there is no one to fight.. the fight is over.

Bernie!

[Beowulf]

144. The fight has just begun.

This primary is simply the beginning of what likely will be a long struggle. Neoliberalism must be vanquished!

[mmonk]

21. I'm glad he is. The silenced need to be heard.

[HooptieWagon]

28. Yep.

[grasswire]

32. THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!!

Fighting for democracy! Go Bernie! Show the kids how it's done!

[Cali_Democrat]

61. Hillary: +3.1 million votes

Democracy in action.

[floppyboo]

82. Yup she's got that. In an increasingly marginalized wing of the party courting Bush surrogates. Yay?

General Election polls (all voters) show the real # of Americans don't agree. Especially in swing states where it will matter most.

from RealClearPolitics. state Sanders Trump spread (Hillary spread)

National 56 40 16 (6)

Florida 50 42 8* (5)
New York 56.7 33.5 23.2 (21)
Penn 51.3 38 13.3 (8)
Ohio 46.3 42 4.3 (3)
Michigan 55 36 19* (10)
NCarolina 46 43 3* (2)
Virginia 49 36 13* (10)
NewHamp 58 31 27* (8)
WI 52 33 19* (11)
Iowa 49 40 9 (7)

*took the most recent instead of average, where averages do not reflect the last 3 months

[Nonhlanhla]

134. Hillary's "wing" of the party is largely made up

of women and People of Color, in particular African Americans. Are these the increasingly marginalized people in the Democratic Party you are talking about?

If so, then it looks like the Bernie revolution might be about bringing back the party of Roosevelt, which was also the party of segregation.

But I'm sure you don't really want to dismiss Hillary's voters like this...

[floppyboo]

154. Ah, damn you read what you like.

What I said was the democratic party is marginalizing themselves and then gave the example of courting Bush surrogate money. Where you see color and women is beyond me, but, hey, if that floats your boat, go for it! I personally don't see any examples of your vision in Sanders' platform. Yup, the demographics do speak, but they also speak for early voting states, before the message was getting out. Definite, indisputable change there too as the media's blackout is being overcome.

Sorry you feel so defensive. Wouldn't it be nice to live in the kind of world where that defense was less necessary? That's what we all want. We don't need people pitting eachother against eachother striving for the same shore.

[floppyboo]

161. on second thought, if you read what I wrote, and stand by your words

are you saying AA and women are willing to sacrifice democratic values and support courting the right? I don't think you meant that, or you wouldn't be here, no?
I didn't mean that. Not at all. I meant there is a strong marginal wing of the democratic party that sees power in the GOP desperation, and has gone looking down that dangerous path.

[merrily]

70. +1

[Onlooker]

34. Will Sanders try to overturn the Amber Alert system?

He voted against it. Maybe he can get the Democratic Party to back him?

[Human101948]

44. Man, that sure is weak...

Why have AMBER Alerts been ineffective? As a 2007 Pacific Standard article notes, most kidnapped children who eventually end up murdered are killed within three hours of their abduction. Yet AMBER Alerts are rarely issued within that critical window. It takes time for the authorities to get their act together, and by the time the alert goes out, it is often too late to make any difference.

In any event, those sorts of kidnappings are very rare. The vast majority of child abductions in this country are committed by relatives or acquaintances—estranged parents and such who usually mean the children no harm. Even though AMBER Alerts are only supposed to be issued in “the most serious child-abduction cases,” they are nevertheless used in domestic cases like these—cases where, Griffin argues, AMBER Alerts might actually serve to escalate an otherwise manageable situation. “We looked at a parental abduction where the dad was located thanks to a citizen tip prompted by an AMBER Alert,” Griffin told Pacific Standard. “Law enforcement swooped in there. There was a big standoff, and the guy ultimately killed himself. We coded that case as ‘AMBER Alert saved a kid from a dangerous situation.’ But for all we know, the AMBER Alert made it a dangerous situation.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/08/08/amber_alert_california_let_s_get_rid_of_the_amber_alert_system.html

[asuhornets]

37. What in the world makes you belive Sanders is ready to be president?

Where is his track record?

[libdem4life]

48. About all of his adult life. Way more than Obama had. n/t

[asuhornets]

49. He didn't get a real job until he was 40 years old.. n/t

[libdem4life]

52. You mean a Corporate Job, of course. His background is well known.

Also, he was poor, raised by immigrants, et al., missed out on the Silver Spoon.

He's ALWAYS been on the People's Side. I know you won't read this, but perhaps others will.

When the People are ready, the Leader will appear.

http://www.biography.com/people/bernie-sanders

[BootinUp]

38. I think Bernie is running out of time as far as getting a lot of support

The media is moving on as a result of the real state of the race which is Hillary vs. Trump. Bernie will have less and less of an audience going forward, and those still paying attention will take him less and less seriously.

[Sheepshank]

41. angry dude, tapping into the pocketbook of those intent to affirm their mass delusions of winning.

[libdem4life]

58. Well, at least he doesn't scream as he pokes a questioner in the chest. LOL.

There's an old saying, If you're not angry, you're not paying attention. Fits well here. And the pittances many of us give him is due to the fact that he doesn't rent himself out to the Corporate Pandering Class.

What do you call $300,000 tapping into the pocket book. Pocket change? Perhaps that explains your response. Good for you.

This is a class war. So, we'll not be dismissed by your hubris.

[philly_bob]

47. I hope Bernie has strong presence at the convention.

Check out the comments in the HC Group. They're absolutely outraged at the idea that Sanders' numerous strong and enthusiastic supporters -- the party's future -- want to have any say in the party platform.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107126284

That's the problem with the the separate HC group on DU, which has banned dissenting voices (including mine). It's like an audio feedback loop -- it just gets louder. When the primary is over, I hope DU admins reconsider this approach.

And I hope Bernie stays in until the end so he can speak for many of us at the convention.

[Human101948]

124. They're up to 869 banned DUers now...

Many like myself banned for inadvertently posting something seemingly innocuous, often without realizing that they had entered the Forbidden Zone.

[jwirr]

133. I started watching conventions in 1954 both D & R. In the

1980s the conventions were turned into planned coronations events that showed only unity. They were no longer the traditional conventions where numerous candidates were present and voted on. Where the problems of the party were worked out in front of the cameras. Where there were open demonstrations such as the ones in 68. The convention was a place were everyone got to have their say.

What Hillary and her supporters want is to continue this coronation show and sweep the problems under the rug and make all decisions behind closed doors with ONLY Hillary supporters present.

This is and never has been a form of democracy.

Go Bernie.

[redstateblues]

54. Bernie will endorse Hillary at the convention

Start getting used to it

[DookDook]

55. I hope Senator Sanders continues to fight for us progressives.

As Frank Zappa said, 'the meek shall inherit nothing,' so at least we have Bernie Sanders standing up for us.

[senz]

68. Yes. Bernie Sanders is the only hope for poor and working people.

[Demsrule86]

125. Sanders is not fighting for me

Now he is fighting Hillary just like Trump. Once the GOP had a nominee, there was no reason to go to California...he should concede.

[MineralMan]

56. Unless he has a majority of pledged delegates,

he'll lose that floor fight, too. It's a waste of his and our time, unless he goes in with a pledged delegate majority. In that case, he'll end up as the nominee and become the head of the Democratic Party. If that's what you want, then campaigning for him in the remaining states is the way to get it.

The same majority of pledged delegates, along with the superdelegates, will prevent a floor fight by the second-place candidate from taking place. That's how it works, you see.

[Turin_C3PO]

62. I think

it's fair for him to request that a certain amount of committee members are of his political persuasion. Ultimately of course it's the DNC's decision,but they should definitely consider it.

[hack89]

117. Depends what he has to offer in exchange. nt

[merrily]

71. Tunnel vision and short sighted.

[nolawarlock]

109. Bernie is the very epitome of the entitlement mentality that plagues us...

... so no one should be surprised that he's going to have a tantrum through the entire process. It wouldn't shock me if they end up having to have security drag him out of the convention kicking and screaming. The man has no dignity left.

[oldandhappy]

57. Hope some of the Sanders issues

make it into the platform. Does not mean clinton will do anything with any of the issues, but would make me happy to have them included in the platform. She is such a control freak. She could put a stop to all this with a little inclusiveness.

[Kokonoe]

59. Hillary's team had better not go this thing alone.

Without progressive support and against republicans its a...... well its her call.
She has assets to look after her beautiful foundation.

[lumberjack_jeff]

76. Sanders supporters aren't important donors to her foundation.

Not like the Trumps of the world, anyhow.

[Hiraeth]

65. I just got it on ~good authority~ he will throw his support with Hillary at the convention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1912460

[FlatBaroque]

80. That's one from our side I had to put on full ignore. /

[Demsrule86]

140. If he does that

It is too little and too late....never forgive him and never support him in anything. I will continue as I do now ...turning off the television if he is on...not on much lately anyway.

[FlatBaroque]

73. Barney Fucking Frank /

[whatthehey]

84. And he should have input on all committees, platform especially

Doesn't necessarily, or even probably, have to control the chairs to do that.

HRC delegates with chair and 50-60% of members? no prob. 95%? Tad unfair, surely?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. Who's going to play the Mayor Daley part at the convention?

[jwirr]

139. Bill Clinton?

[Demsrule86]

88. NO.

Have your floor fight...you will only look foolish. To the victors go the spoils...you lost. The end.

[JTFrog]

97. Yea, I have only one comment in reply.

Too bad it would get me permabanned.

But I'm definitely thinking it.

[Orsino]

101. Standing committes are another Establishment bastion.

The Establishment does not unilaterally disarm. It has to be dragged in the right direction by popular demand.

The magnitude of Sanders' support ought to move the needle a bit, if voters stil count for something.

[nolawarlock]

103. Are you really accusing Hillary supporters of being pro death squads?

That's pretty rude.

[workinclasszero]

104. Bernie disrupting the democratic convention is a prelude

to his announcement of a third party run.

If he can't get the nomination, he will make sure Trump wins and "brings the revolution".

I'm sure that was the plan all along.

[Ferd Berfel]

112. Good

If previous DLC Third Way types Gore and Kerry had more guts to fight we might not be in the mess in the first place.

Go Bernie

[Gothmog]

114. Sanders is lying about contested convention to keep small dollar donations coming

[SidDithers]

115. ...

Sid

[Human101948]

128. More Dithering...

from Sid

[Attorney in Texas]

119. ALERT: Candidate threatens to turn political convention from coronation into a political convention!

[Demsrule86]

127. A convention is always a coronation

Bernie should know better.

[Attorney in Texas]

132. Oh it is? You should tell the nice folks at Wikipedia they have been misreporting about converntions

[aikoaiko]

122. This is what it looks like when a liberal promises not to quit on a liberal agenda.

And its fuckin awesome.

[Demsrule86]

141. Yeah helping Trump

is a fucking awesome move for the Bern.

[aikoaiko]

170. There is no evidence he is helping Trump.

HRC fans Are merely inconvenienced by Bernie's campaign.

[Zynx]

135. Why should Bernie get to dictate terms to the party?

This is why he'd be a terrible president. He doesn't understand how to make deals.

[Human101948]

137. Hillary and supporters will not offer anything as has been demonstrated by...

the selection of the platform committee. Politics is also about using your strength and fighting for your position.

[Demsrule86]

142. I have no idea

He is ego driven I guess.

[Beacool]

146. Sorry to disappoint you, but Hillary is going to battle Trump for the presidency.

The only ones whining seems to be those on the losing side. Hopefully, Sanders will be as gracious as Hillary was in 2008 and release his delegates at the convention so that Hillary can be nominated by acclamation, like Obama was in 2008.

[MineralMan]

152. Yup.

[KingFlorez]

155. Expectations are lowered

This is a concession of the nomination right here. If he's only threatening a floor fight over the platform, then he is conceding the nomination.

[The Second Stone]

168. Barney Frank is one of my heroes

and if Sanders doesn't like him, he doesn't have to vote for him. If he had wanted to control the convention, he should have secured more delegates and started making allies in the Democratic Party decades ago, like the rest of us.

Barney Frank is above the cheap shot personal attacks Sanders just launched.

[trueblue2007]

172. THREATENS FLOOR FIGHT??? if he gets "in Hillary's face" .... throw him in jail.

[LostOne4Ever]

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