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Sat May 7, 2016, 10:21 PM

Hillary Clinton Courts Bush Mega-Donors Instead Of Bernie Voters



Tone deaf and arrogant.

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Reply Hillary Clinton Courts Bush Mega-Donors Instead Of Bernie Voters (Original post)
kaleckim May 2016 OP
cantbeserious May 2016 #1
Lazy Daisy May 2016 #2
benny05 May 2016 #11
hopemountain May 2016 #20
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #13
Trust Buster May 2016 #3
timmymoff May 2016 #5
Armstead May 2016 #6
kaleckim May 2016 #9
rufus dog May 2016 #21
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #34
Joob May 2016 #4
KingFlorez May 2016 #7
JonLeibowitz May 2016 #26
Doctor_J May 2016 #8
CharlotteVale May 2016 #14
Kittycat May 2016 #23
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #30
stillwaiting May 2016 #39
HooptieWagon May 2016 #10
Hydra May 2016 #12
NewImproved Deal May 2016 #15
silenttigersong May 2016 #16
AzDar May 2016 #17
Dragonfli May 2016 #18
hopemountain May 2016 #22
CobaltBlue May 2016 #27
libdem4life May 2016 #19
chknltl May 2016 #24
lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #25
AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #28
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #29
senz May 2016 #32
pdsimdars May 2016 #37
CobaltBlue May 2016 #31
ljm2002 May 2016 #33
MaeScott May 2016 #35
pdsimdars May 2016 #36
Duppers May 2016 #38

Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:22 PM

1. Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:23 PM

2. We've been told

 

She doesn't want or need us. Why is this a surprise?

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Response to Lazy Daisy (Reply #2)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:45 PM

11. I don't have $2700 spare cash lying around

Just for snacks or cocktails. I hope Bernie isn't forced to turn over his list to her if she becomes the nominee. I don't want to be solicited.





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Response to benny05 (Reply #11)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:43 PM

20. billary already has the list of bernie's supporters

the problem is they jumped the gun in february by sending us solicitations to donate to hillary's 'victory fund'. she and the dnc were thinking she had a clean sweep to declare herself the nominee even though bernie was vowing to stay in the race.

the billarians do not play nice nor fair. it's all about the benjamins.

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Response to Lazy Daisy (Reply #2)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:04 PM

13. It is not

 

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:23 PM

3. Why court the people that are rudely interrupting her speeches and flipping the bird at her

 

supporters ? I wouldn't.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #3)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:28 PM

5. Yes, it's far easier to promise the republican voters a little bit more

 

of her republican economic and war mongering stances than to actual keep your word regarding liberal policies she has recently evolved toward. My mistake Bush donors are who she should be seeking. Ask us why we don't trust her. Bush donors? Ask us why, please ask us why since you can't see it.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #3)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:29 PM

6. Cut the crap

 

A very very, very small minority of Sanders supporters do crap like that.

The vast majority are perfectly nice reasonable ordinary people.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #3)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:40 PM

9. LOL!

How does that silly idea work?

Hillary Clinton before the speech, "I am going to take on my largest donors, the banks. I am going to fight for working people instead, for once."

After the speech, "You know what, those people are dicks. I'm going to court those banks, my largest donors, the group that has made us insanely rich, and I am going to let the ones formerly affiliated with Bush know that I share their values. I don't, but that is how rude I think those Sander supporters are. Now, if those Sanders supporters were nice to me, I wouldn't sell out working people. Maybe next time they'll be nicer."

Is that how it works, roughly?

Do you realize that this isn't about identity politics, people are strongly backing him because of the policy stances he takes and the fact that he isn't corrupt, and they're frustrated that he is losing to that horrible candidate? Second worst never favorables of any major party nominee in polling history (worse in her party's history, lucky to be running against the only one with worse polling numbers), not trusted, Sanders does much better than she does versus Trump, is more trusted and liked. Yet, Clinton, with her corruption, her center-right economic record, her hawkish foreign policy, and those polling numbers, is the likely nominee of the Democrats.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #3)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:44 PM

21. So instead she courts the bigots and idiots who supported the Iraq War

 

See, I can paint with a broad brush too.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #3)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:51 AM

34. Because the other people were trying to put Jeb! Bush in the white house?

For starts.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:27 PM

4. Oh my! Wish I could say I'm shocked, or her supporters.

They know what they support, we know what we support. The only thing they seem to think is that if she wins we'll support her because of scary trump. When in reality. Hillary is more scary. She's smart. Trump isn't. She'd try to hide what she does and would lie about it. When Trump will say it thinking he's right and would be obvious about it.

Hillary is the real threat that would be hard to stop once she's the president. Because most people won't see it coming, and it's easy to see Trump trying to do something against people. That's how I see it.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:31 PM

7. If she did that now, there would be threads saying "Clinton is poaching Bernie supporters!"

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #7)

Sun May 8, 2016, 01:44 AM

26. silly.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:39 PM

8. I really wish she would switch parties

 

Cut the bullshit about being a democrat. I can't be in the same party with her any more.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:06 PM

14. +1

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:49 PM

23. +1000

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:00 AM

30. She needs to get out, she's no Dem obviously.

And take the rest of the Clinton-created Third Way phony corruption peddlers with her.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Sun May 8, 2016, 12:31 PM

39. She is so much more important to Wall Street right where she is.

Centrist Democrats ensure Big Business has the whole government under their control.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:43 PM

10. Why not? She "shares their values".

 

I assume the values she shares are War, Fracking, deregulated banking, private prisons, cutting SS, and other RW policies.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:58 PM

12. She's just being herself

I for one am happy to see the honesty. She knows which side she's on, and so does her Team here.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:09 PM

15. Meet the Rainbow Oligarchy...

 

...at $300,000 a plate.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:14 PM

16. Dark times

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:25 PM

17. Wonder what she has to 'offer' them? We all KNOW she'll SAY or DO ANYTHING to get elected...

 

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:28 PM

18. Why does she want right wingers in our tent? because she wants a right wing realignment of our party

And has successfully been doing so since the founding of the DLC?

The entire goal of the neoliberal, "new" Democrat movement, under Al From and the Clintons (and all the other "new Democrats" AKA "Third Way" Democrats) has been since at least the 80's, to court and bring into the fold moderate Republicans, replacing the working class voters with them.

They refer to the RW takeover of the party as an "intellectual leveraged buyout" And history shows they DID take over the party.

My suggested most current reading on the subject would be Thomas Frank's new book, Listen, Liberal or What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?


[center][font size="3"; color="B22222"]If Sanders does not bring the party back, one must realize they will complete the realignment[/font][/center]

It will likely be too late to reclaim the party from within if he fails, so we must consider all viable options in order to keep a party of the people, not an easy task, which is why Bernie Sanders calls such a task a political revolution. That is not hyperbole but honesty.

If true liberal ideals, a moral economy, and an equal society that grows beyond bigotry in all it's forms is to ever be achievable again, let alone in time to stop the demise of many species including our own. It will be nearly impossible by the method we had hoped for, that is, by saving the party from it's complete makeover and thus reclaiming it because in a few years such will no longer be a viable option. Let me explain if I might.

Those that vote for hawkish Neo-Liberals such as Clinton are not in denial, they are simply not at all like the Democrats of the pre "intellectual leveraged buyout of the Party" by the Koch funded DLC, beginning before, but put actively into legislative practice by William J. Clinton and his DLC allies with the assist of Newt Gingrich beginning in 1992 (Welfare destruction, deregulation and tough on mostly minority crime bills) were passed with a purpose one that continues unto our present day.

They are indeed not in denial or uneducated politically as some may assume, but rather they are like the candidates they support, neo-liberals. Some are also even neocons as well, much like Hillary Clinton.

Many of us call these sort of voters limousine liberals, or latte' liberals but they are something else (more accurate and less derogatory).

I have understood this a long time, most are comfortable financially (not necessarily rich yet many are) but able to always pay their bills, save for retirement, usually live in the 'burbs and own at last two cars (plus a starter car for their teenage child old enough to drive).

They like to consider themselves politically correct, believe in equality just enough to support it verbally and feel "evolved" (while thinking they deserve a badge for doing so) but would never put themselves in harms way for the rights and equality that sound as good to them coming out of their mouths as their own flatulence smells to them coming out of their own asses (they detect a whiff of roses when they breath it in).

They ARE moderate Republicans (like the ones that no longer exist outside the Democratic party), I remember back when most Republicans were sane and many (certainly not the Goldwater or John Birch types though) believed in civil rights, choice and other equality issues, they were different in that they believed in Republican fiscal values, the old bootstrap philosophy made popular by Ayn Rand (even if the Democratic version would never admit it).

The party is going through a realignment, as parties do over the course of decades, (just as the Republican Party once was the anti-slavery party but have been quite the opposite for a long time now) - The Democratic party is changing into the moderate Republican party of my childhood (except they are far more hawkish than the old Rs used to be). There is no more room for the new Deal, The Great Society, or the working class in this newly realigning party.

The Republicans have also been going through a realignment during the same 35 year period as ours has. One of the reasons one no longer finds Moderate Republicans in the Republican Party, but only in ours, under their new (D) banner. Their realignment has already turned them into the modern equivalent of the John Birch Society wackos of old, but they are not finished yet, just as we are not finished yet.

Once the Realignments of the parties are complete, ours will be fully Republican, with no vestige of economic morality left, even in the "fringe" that was once the heart of the party. The Republicans in their completion will be the Fascist US party (they of course like the brand name they already have, Republican sounds so much like a "Republic" (a form of representative democracy this country was first created to be, and if one believes the bullshit group psychosis still is), so they will never call themselves Fascists.

I suppose the question to the average Citizen is, do you want to be a Republican (under a new brand name)?
A Fascist (under a new brand name)?

Or hope the worst of the newly realigned parties self destructs, leaving room in our two party system for some form of labor party like the Democratic party once was, with a deep belief as well in full equality for all of us and a livable, for our type of mammal, biosphere. (personalty I hope the one turning fascist is the one that self destructs, but that is just me).

It has to be more than a labor party, it must also include equality and unity for moral reasons of course, but also for a very pragmatic reason. We need to repair a biosphere so terribly damaged that it will take (all hands on deck in unity) if it is to matter enough, and in time, so that it may continue supporting our form of life rather than succumbing to yet another series of ELEs That will leave our earth very, different and without our species - to have yet another go at continuing it's varying evolution experiments among the remaining species to suit the new environment.

I only ask that you give this perspective some thought, and come to your own conclusions


[font size="1"; color="red"]re-posted from http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027812688#post37[/font]

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #18)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:46 PM

22. your posts informative.

thank you.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:41 PM

19. She feels right at home...as she should. I'm sure her followers are just

 

giddy about being lumped in with Republicans. Republican-lite. Some feel the party left them. Seems here, she's leaving the party for pretty much the same reason.

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 12:58 AM

24. KnR nt

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 01:37 AM

25. Clinton supporters: if you're not getting a paycheck, you sold out too cheaply. n/t

 

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 01:52 AM

28. When you view the Clintons and Bushes as the same crime family

 

then a lot of otherwise inexplicable things make perfect sense

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 02:45 AM

29. There, she made her choice.

I hope she has enough Repub "megachurch moms" to carry her election. But I seriously doubt it.

It's interesting to me that she deflects all the well-known corruption she has engaged in as "right wing smears", and yet she's cozying up to... who? THE RIGHT WING!

I guess she likes them for smearing her. So much so, that she's courting them and dismissing progressives.

Okey dokey. Have it your way, Hilly.


You know what... she might as well go full-bore on courting the Repubs and pick Jebby for her VP. I wouldn't be surprised if she did.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #29)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:15 AM

32. Yes, she courts the right yet complains about rightwing smears.

 

It's so strange. Gives me the creeps.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #29)

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:33 AM

37. Excellent points!

 

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:53 AM

31. Notice: Im with Her arrow points right.

 

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:47 AM

33. "I don't want them in my tent"...

..."Get OUT of my tent!"

Love it.

K&R

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:38 AM

35. Kicked

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:28 AM

36. Honestly, shouldn't that tell you everything you need to know?

 

How many times and how many ways does she have to tell you that she is NOT a Democrat but a Republican before you "get it"??????

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Response to kaleckim (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 11:54 AM

38. K & R for truth!


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