2016 Postmortem
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After Maine state has announced of banning superdelegates, Sanders said it must spillover in national level.Usviewer: Sen. Bernie Sanders praised the Maine Democratic Party on Sunday for adopting a resolution that effectively bans superdelegates.
Beginning in 2020, the amendment, which passed by a voice vote at the party's state convention on Saturday, will tie Maine's five superdelegates to the overall popular vote.
"Maine is trying to make the Democratic Party more democratic," Sanders said in a statement Sunday. "I hope other states follow Maine's example. This is the kind of grassroots democracy that will help the Democratic Party grow and win elections."
Sanders won Maine's March 6 caucuses by a large majority. He earned 64 percent of the vote to Hillary Clinton's 36 percent. Seventeen pledged delegates were awarded to the senator from Vermont. Clinton got eight.
But Clinton walked away with more superdelegates supporting her as Maine superdelegates this year are allowed to support the candidate of their choosing. Three of the superdelegates back Clinton. One is for Sanders. Another is undecided.
Under the new rule, the superdelegates will be allocated proportionally. That system would give Sanders three delegates and Clinton the remaining two.
Sanders has often decried the presence of superdelegates in the Democratic primary process. "Superdelegates in states where either candidate has won landslide victories ought to reflect the decision of the people in their states," Sanders said.
There is momentum for changing the party's rules about superdelegates.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)
Baobab
(4,667 posts)We are SO SICK (finger jab)
They can go cry on their GOP friends shoulders.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)wealth and privilege. Now we can look at it, we can find ways forward. But Acknowledgment comes before Action.
What's amazing to me is all the non-obscene wealthy cheerleading the "legal" tax avoiders. Talk about voting against your best interests.
No problem, I'll give up my health care or college education for the comfort of the 1%. Hey, no problem.
Oh yeah, and they can have my tax dollars to fund the government...that they have ways out of. Again, no problem. They are really nice people, I'm sure, but I don't know any of them...because they are rich and I'm a working (if I'm lucky) class Peasant.
And I don't need any safety net...I have a house in my kid's back yard.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Its like some six year old has set up a veto for their own benefit that cancels out this huge amount of effort on the part of the country.
No, it stinks. They are gaming the system.
the superdelegate system is driving away the core Dem base.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Who and when does it change. Revolution can be peaceful if it's woven into the fabric of the institution. But that does not seem to be possible...especiallly if HRC takes it to the GE. Trump will bury her, I predict. He'll make the Benghazi hearings feel like a picnic in the park.
They will not give up the superdelegate advantage for the Establishment. That would mean To Lose and as we know, They Are Not Losers...no matter how it may happen. It could be the juncture into real change. And I mean Real Change.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)
msongs
(67,394 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)its become a farce, a total perversion of the concept of democracy.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)I can't honestly believe there is a single person who didn't vote in the primary because superdelegates exist, and it certainly won't do anything to help win elections in November.
The system has good point and bad points. It can be argued either way.
What can't be argued is that if Bernie wants to be honest about the need to make the process more democratic, he'd be railing against caucuses right now too. They are the ultimate form of disenfranchisement.
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)eom
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)People feel powerless and disrespected, this is why they don't bother voting.
When they learn that superdelegates' votes are not based on their popular votes, do you seriously think that doesn't make them feel less counted?
Or is an un-level playing field just not a problem when your candidate is the beneficiary?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Superdelegates who get special rights to nullify the vote of the people are basically the Democratic Party supporting monarchy instead of democracy.
It stinks to high heaven. There is already MASSIVE frustration with the Democratic Party and a widespread conviction among almost everybody in the country who isnt a politician that the system is fixed and things like superdelegates are literally in your face evidence of that. The whole concept should be dumped today.
Its not okay to wait until next election, they should just drop the superdelegates.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)To be honest with you, I think we're being gamed by both of them. And i'm not the only one.
You're dodging the subject - This system is fixed and its fixed in an absolutely indefensible way.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)They have never voted against the pledged delegate winner, so why would they be so awful as to stop people from voting?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)So stop trying to change the subject and lets have a serious discussion about ending the (stupor is more appropriate than super)-delegate system effective now.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)
uponit7771
(90,335 posts).. spend the time there.
He's warning of economic insecurity spoke to the already economically secure and his message of more caucuses speaks to those who can afford to sit in a room for 5 - 6 hours.
He seems to be stuck in an age that's not relative to the democratic party base
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Sanders has been a Democrat for 10 months. The nerve.....ugh
scscholar
(2,902 posts)until it affected him.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)Democratic party as well?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Love it or leave it.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)who helped create the system in the first place? Sanders was welcomed into the party to run for President but it seems like he is trying to demand that the party changes its rules to help him- even though if all superdelegates were banned effectively tomorrow, he still would be in the same position as well in regards to pledged delegates.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)... those are facts. Grounds for an alert.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...take a leadership position, work within the State Committees and DNC to change the delegate rules.
In other words, hard work.
Let us know when you're ready.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Hashtags and whining on the internet are so much easier.
Historians have just discovered a meeting of Bernie supporters in ancient Rome
iandhr
(6,852 posts)1. Superdelegates are a affront to democracy and only pledged delegates should count.
2. Once he gets his ass kicked in the pledged delegates race and ends up with 3 million less votes he said he wants the super delegates to overturn the will of the voters.
3. Cheers on a state committee that eliminates superdelegates. .
Seems like he is talking out of both sides of his ass.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)to primary and caucus results, Hillary would still be well ahead of Bernie. In fact, she might already have a delegate majority, as she currently ha a popular vote majority. Either way Clinton will be the nominee. Do the math and you'll see.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)She is just beyond the pale.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)#FeelTheBern !!!
Sanders 2016!
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)with an "anti-establishment" candidate who runs against the Party's Congresspeople is what superdelegates were created to prevent.
Even if somehow a McGovern or Sanders made it to the WH, how could that administration accomplish anything?
A Party is a team, while a Sanders or McGovern is an ego-tripper with absolutely no "coattails" or clue about how to govern rather than just "protest".
Baobab
(4,667 posts)ROTFLMAO
>with an "anti-establishment" candidate who runs against the Party's Congresspeople is what superdelegates were created to prevent.
Hillary is the one who is pushing trade deals that are basically a coup against democracy, that hijack our ability to set policy forever, not Bernie!
>Even if somehow a McGovern or Sanders made it to the WH, how could that administration accomplish anything?
Bernie's record of cooperation with Democrats and even with Republicans is solid. He has a better track record than Hillary, who by all accounts was a disaster as Secretary of State. I dont see any reason to beleive she would be any better as a President. Also, the fact that she laughed about getting a gang rapist of a 12 year ld girl off with time served REALLY bothers me. What the hell is Hillary? She certainly isnt what she is claimed to be, that much is sure.
>A Party is a team, while a Sanders or McGovern is an ego-tripper
Are you on drugs? You call this a team? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds in this context?
Bernie is emphatically not an ego tripper, he's less of an ego tripper than any other candidate in my memory. He's also a hard worker. He doesnt hang out with crooks. he has a normal family life. he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't. he doesnt have a circle of friends that includes known crooks. He isn't a walking reminder of corruption in America. He does not support trade deals that make affordable health care or public education impossible. he doesn't make claims he is helping people when he's actually working to strip them of any hope for the future to get a few more donations from multinational corporations.
with absolutely no "coattails" or clue about how to govern rather than just "protest".
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)People can agree or disagree with me, but at least the vast majority of my posts make sense, unlike those of a few other DUers.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Doesn't gave a say in a party he has done nothing but attack and has participated in.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus
washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of
an hour.
Yet here's a spot.
Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to
satisfy my remembrance the more strongly.
Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then
'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and
afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our
pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to
have had so much blood in him?
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Le page...if I were them, I would work on that. The states and the party decide primary rules...again Sanders does not understand how things work.