2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSidney Blumenthal On Hardball And Chris "Actually" Asked Him If He Was Interviewed By The FBI..
RE: The Clinton Server/Email Investigation by the FBI...Sidney... "danced... ..." and talked about his desire for transparency. (whatever his definition of transparency is...) Sidney blathered but would not answer the question... Then, Chris asked Sidney again whether he was interviewed by the FBI... Sidney then ... "danced.." some more... and cobbled together his version of...
"I would prefer not to comment on an ongoing investigation..."
So... let's see just how transparent this entire "inquiry" into the clear violations of FOIA Laws, possible espionage as outlined in great detail here and elsewhere... fall into place when the likely transparent FBI report and/or request for indictment... (unlikely) are handed out.
Skink
(10,122 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Paying him $10,000 per month... He was the one who gave her the idea to go into Libya... Guccifer... who is the Romanian hacker who hacked into Sidney's and by definition Hillary's emails is currently being interviewed by the FBI. There is another post about this on DU currently... "Shadow" Govt. behind the curtain Sidney and Hillary... running Foreign Policy... Behind Obama's back! And against Obama's orders at that to boot!
randome
(34,845 posts)He prevented him from being on the State Department's payroll. Clinton decided she wanted his advice, anyways so...
A President does not micro-manage the State Department.
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polly7
(20,582 posts)You're saying Obama really didn't want him near the SD, yet had no problem with him secretly advising Clinton on the ruin of a sovereign nation while she was pushing Obama on it?
randome
(34,845 posts)Apparently Obama was okay with it. Has he ever expressed anger?
And what do you have to support the idea that "he didn't want him anywhere near the SD" -other than your own bias to see what you want to see?
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polly7
(20,582 posts)Can any gov't official just hire any old civilian off the street without a security clearance to use to plan with to destroy sovereign nations and share sensitive information that includes the safety of human lives? Somehow, I thought that might be a bit more strict. But then, what do I know.
randome
(34,845 posts)You have a lot of leeway to hire your own people and conduct your own business so long as it doesn't conflict with the broader goals of the Administration. That's just my guess on how these type of positions work.
And I didn't say that Obama knew. I said there is no evidence that he was angry at Clinton because of it. Hell, he's pretty much endorsed her for President already. That doesn't sound like someone who thinks he was 'betrayed' by someone who went behind his back.
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farleftlib
(2,125 posts)you've got going on there. No means No. And PBO would never air his anger
at Clinton in the public domain. Seriously. Stop.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Wow.
randome
(34,845 posts)A SOS can conduct her business and hire anyone she wants so long as she abides by the goals of the Administration. If the manager doesn't care that she got advice from Blumenthal -and we've seen no evidence that he did- then why would you want to make this out to be some slap in the face to him?
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CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)to Hillary when she was appointed SOS that Sidney was NOT going to be part of the program... which she violated by going around Obamaand paying Sidney through the Clinton Foundation... er what is otherwise thought to be a Big Time "Laundry" operation...
randome
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CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Clinton was one of his cabinet members. She was not a freelancer. She had a job to do, but she was serving Obama's White House.
This is from Politico. The message is similar to what has been extensively said--That Obama wanted nothing to do with Blumenthal. Clinton asked Obama if Blumenthal could be one of her advisers. Obama said no.
From Politico:
Yet, as the Benghazi emails show, Blumenthal and Clinton managed to work together anyway, in typical over-the-transom fashion. One could hear the you-cant-stop-me in Clintons voice Tuesday when she defended the correspondence: He sent me unsolicited emails which I passed on in some instances, and I say that thats just part of the give and take.
The first tranche of emails, revealed Thursday by The New York Times, shows the danger of this sort of informal arrangement: Blumenthal sent then-Secretary Clinton a memo a day after the Benghazi attack claiming that the murderous mob was part of a wave of protests against a YouTube video that had prompted an attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Cairo. Clinton forwarded the email to Jake Sullivan, a top foreign policy adviser, requesting More info.
But the emails also show that Republicans hoped-for smoking gun is, at least so far, nowhere to be found: Sullivan responded politely but noncommittally to most of the Blumenthal emails and forwarded the information, at Clintons request, to the appropriate State Department specialists. There they seem to have died.
Despite the fact that Clinton doesnt name Blumenthal as her source in the emails, two former administration officials told POLITICO that Sullivan, who now serves as the Clinton campaigns policy czar, knew very well that he was her source and that he resented Blumenthals freelancing.
Jake was too nice to tell the secretary what he really thought, said one former senior national security official. But he was really pissed off that Sid was wasting everybodys time.
Still, Sullivan is discovering what other Clinton hirelings have known for years: Bill and Hillary think Sids time, advice and dish are yet valuable.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-118212#ixzz48DftP3wr
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randome
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CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)We most likely will know what kind of case the FBI has within the next 8 weeks.
Which is nice, because our entire Democratic party needs this wrapped up.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Your point... "Hillary can, will and HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG... MUCH LESS COMPLETELY ILLEGAL OR... EVEN PERHAPS INADVERTENTLY TRAITOROUS!
randome
(34,845 posts)And I have never said Clinton is perfect. To the contrary, I've said many times that I don't particularly like her and wish someone else would be our next President.
But the email-gasms from the ever-whining Sanders supporters is definitely worthy of ridicule.
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CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Sidney had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT Clearance! Thus, Hillary had NO business discussing FOREIGN FUCKING POLICY WOTH THIS KLOWN PRIVATE CITIZEN!
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Seems like an odd conclusion to draw about someone who has essentially endorsed Clinton for President. I don't know where you get 'pissed off' from.
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global1
(25,166 posts)On the surface it might look like he's not pissed at her (don't get mad) - but in the background maybe he's has the DOJ ready to deal with her (get even). This way none of his fingerprints are on her downfall. She did this to herself.
We'll have to wait and see how this plays out.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send or store classified information on personal email.
President Obama issued this executive order on Dec 29, 2009.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)She promised him. That is why he should be angry. It's legal, but a betrayal. Not someone you'd keep as a friend, or employee, because you just cannot trust them. Hillary proved this. The President has a right to be pissed.
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wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)since Obama let her do whatever she wanted the rest of the time.
And of course he is endorsing her,they are both standard fare of the now right of center dems.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)If the CEO doesn't say that an underling disrespected him, then where do you get off saying he was disrespected?
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Clinton went behind his back and hired him through the Foundation. What charity work did Blumenthall do for the Foundation?
randome
(34,845 posts)If he's not upset about this, who are you to say he should be?
And I don't know how the Clinton Foundation categorized Blumenthal. It's a public, not a private, charity, so I'm sure, absent evidence to the contrary, that he 'fit in' with their work in some way. Maybe it was a loophole that allowed him to be part of the Foundation. I don't know and I don't particularly care. If Clinton wants to do things her way, more power to her -unless she breaks the law, of course.
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)My, you Hillarians sure have active imaginations.
randome
(34,845 posts)He doesn't seem mad to me, that's all I'm saying. It seems to me that you want him to be, but that's your conundrum, not mine.
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CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)But... So much for there being "consequences" levied upon her... One set of laws for us and one set of laws for....
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Without Obama's knowledge, it's now well known that Sid was feeding Clinton confidential information on Lybia, even though he had no security clearance himself. Then Clinton pressured Obama to overthrow Qaddafi in part based on the Blumenthal info...Obama has now publicaly said that Lybia is one of his biggest regrets.
So if you don't think Obama might be pissed about this, then...
randome
(34,845 posts)And do you seriously think Clinton had no other sources of information available to her? Or are you insisting that Blumenthal was practically running the State Dept?
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tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)In post Qaddafi Libya...not a stretch to think the Clinton Foundation did as well, so the impetus for the overthrow may have had little to do with national security.
Obviously, Obama has a very good poker face...he rarely gives away his intentions on controversial issues. He has stated support for Clinton on the email issue, then in the same breath said the investigation will be allowed to run its course and not be interfered with or politicized.
His famous 3D chess game.
Hare Krishna
(58 posts)It's Libya, not Lybia.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Peachhead22
(1,077 posts)That's the kind of "logic" a teenager uses when they're caught doing something they shouldn't.
Imaginary Hillary: "But Mr. President you fired him. You didn't specifically tell me I couldn't consult him on classified stuff and pay him out of my own pocket."
If the President fired Blumenthal it wasn't just because it was a fun thing to do or to save the gov't his salary..
randome
(34,845 posts)And how do you know how Obama and Clinton discussed the issue? Again, if the President doesn't say he's mad about this (and practically endorsing Clinton for President is pretty strong evidence that he is not), who are we to say he should be?
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Peachhead22
(1,077 posts)Maybe not fired, but told in no uncertain terms that he was persona non grata. It's a distintion without a major difference.
The President said "No way to Blumenthal" and Hillary's gonna go with "Well you didn't specifically tell _me_ not to hire him. If the President "doesn't micromanage" the State Dept as you say Hillary could have just openly hired him. Like I said before: If Hillary had nothing to hide, why was she hiding it?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)years, for you and Bill. I'm not hiring him. Not even anywhere in the state dept. So there will be no reason. Hillary AGREED!! Liar liar pants on fire.
She betrayed Obama....he DID say he DID NOT WANT SID ADVISING HER.
This has been written and reported. I won't even bother to get a link. For you to say he did not forbid her, she had to agree to be the SOS.....THOSE WERE OBAMA'S TERMS FOR HER.
gads....
randome
(34,845 posts)Were you there when they spoke? How do you know he used the words "I don't want Sid advising you"? You just made that up, didn't you?
And if Obama does not appear to be 'betrayed', why do you insist he should?
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hedda_foil
(16,368 posts)What Hillary did probably was not.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Syd had no security clearance.
That is not legal.
hedda_foil
(16,368 posts)No doubt she could have gotten more accurate and unbiased intelligence from her own people at State, along with DOD and CIA. Her unfathomable reliance on what Sid could get from his ex CIA pal, rather than the intelligence services she could avail herself of by virtue of her position is unfathomable.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Not the epitome of the characteristics one should want in a... PRESIDENT!
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)Blumenthal and Libya and Hillary Clinton is more icky in substance than Hillary Clinton with a private server at her home for State Department emails followed by associated dodges.
polly7
(20,582 posts)regime change. Otherwise, why would she have gone behind Obama's back and pushed for this using someone he'd blacklisted. Should the Clinton Foundation have been involved in any country she had dealings with as SoS in the first place?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and his "source" -- a former CIA op working to gin up his own business in Libya too.
polly7
(20,582 posts)if the Foundation didn't have something to gain, also? Or was getting his information the only way she could push Obama forward on Libya?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Bill and Hill both.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Which is why I worry for the world.
Peachhead22
(1,077 posts)eom
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)Libya had the strongest economy in Africa, an egalitarian socialist dictatorship.
Freedoms and economic blessings for the individual had evolved to be similar to the West.
Gadaffi had mellowed away from terrorism and confrontation to nationalism and cooperation but independence.
Al Qaeda was strong in east Libya and a thorn to Gadaffi; Al Qaeda was also covertly backed by the Saudis and western intelligence in Libya and just about any where there has been strife in the Middle East.
Gadaffi was also in talks with Russia regards of a second Russian naval / airbase on the Mediterranean Sea.
Western corporations especially oil and gas saw low hanging fruit in Libya.
The Saudis are one of the biggest donators to The Clinton Foundation; more and more apparent to replace the relationship between Saudi and Bushes.
The ways were many that Hillary Clinton had conflicts of interest as SOS and principal in The Clinton Foundation; specifically fostering private business interests and for the purposes of another sovereign nation in conflict with duty as SOS.
No body really knows the specific actions and scope of what Hillary Clinton did as SOS in Libya and Clinton means to keep specifics hidden so as to maintain status quo and responsibility dodged by Clinton (the fog oozed from the needless Benghazi hearings is but a convenient smoke screen).
Note that the Libya intervention already addressed an opening in the re-born competition between the USA and Russia.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I know that Saudi Arabia is dead set against Iran becoming an economic powerhouse as SA's dominance in the region is threatened by falling oil prices, the growing popularity of renewable energy. I believe the same probably applied wrt a functioning Libya owning those vast oil and water reserves Quid pro quo, I'm sure. Especially considering the shady weapons sales through the Foundation. I'd love to know how much of a part SA played in it. Of course I could be completely mistaken about all of it. One thing I do know for sure though .......... Libya was a lying atrocity.
2banon
(7,321 posts)so obvious to EVERYONE ON DU. We yammered on about that outrage forever.
But it's different if it's a Dem and the name is Clinton.
grasswire
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HereSince1628
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and sending them on to the SOS. Who because she knew they were leaks, has a problem. She was obliged to make known her knowledge of the leaks, but she didn't. Instead she encouraged him to keep encouraging leaks and sending them on
His ass should be in the blender under usual security and espionage laws
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The first, and last, thing they tell you is a piece about the need for confidentiality and to NOT talk about whether or not you have been interviewed.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But it would be foolish to think that he wouldn't be brought in.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Why would that be a standard? I've been told, rather forcibly, that I better show up to testify cuz the case required it, but never to keep it a secret.
Skink
(10,122 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)There has been an occasion or two, the cops prolly shoulda told me to keep it quiet! Bad enough around here that my son in law doesn't let the kids come to my house - I go to theirs. And he is right.
Once you hit my age, the encounters with cops add up. Including the hearing for a cop that I slapped the shit out of for groping me during a traffic stop. He had a hard time explaining to his superiors just why he was in my vicinity every time they looked for him. Nowadays? I'd probably be dead for that. He got fired.
But never have been told to keep it quiet.
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ebayfool
(3,411 posts)but have at it. Why so venomous? Personal attack for not having the same meat world experiences as you? Really?
NEVER had any law enforcement say keep it a secret. Ever. Deal.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)where prosecutorial procedure is different.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Well, I suppose that's a nicer way of saying I'm full of shit. I'll take it.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)LAUGHABLE... In BOTH character AND Content!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)4139
(1,893 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Doesn't matter how unethical she was, ad long as she wins. How did you lose all sense of objectivity?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)she has ever said, done, concocted, flip flopped and flipped and flopped again... CHEATED... Whether she gets $$$ from Bush people... whatever... Her faithful lemmings are right there on schedule to jump off the cliff right along with her...
polly7
(20,582 posts)then wait to be thrown down rope ladders only to find out they were 20 ft. too short.
4139
(1,893 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)4139
(1,893 posts)Unlikely is was Hillary
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Their intent was pretty obvious given that he accidentally failed to disclose many foreign donatoins which he was prohibited from receiving.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The secrecy is Classic Clinton. The decision was probably a combination of Bill, Hillary, and top aides like Abedin.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Definitely a "Team" Effort By Clinton Inc.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)He's not as slick as Hillary, and he looks pretty nervous.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)He could well be the one who spills... his gutz to save himself quicker and more completely than anyone else. I doubt that he would fare well in a Federal Pen...
grasswire
(50,130 posts)but he didn't get the name "sid vicious" for nothing. Beware.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)He's about to be charged with felony possession of highly classified information.
One question is did Hillary report it when he sent it to her? She has an obligation to report these things.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Stuttering Answer: "Here's how I feel...Tossed Word Salad...blah blah blah...transparency."
Repeat Direct Question: "But have you been interviewed by the FBI?"
Answer: "I would prefer not to comment on an ongoing investigation"
That's some transparent transparency there. It was so clearly bullshit that you could see right through it!
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Reasonable to assume his dancing around the question means yes. He didn't have anything to do with setting up the secret server or deleting emails. Which leaves these subjects the FBI was questioning about:
Exchanging of classified information.
His own email being hacked.
Foundation business.
We don't know his answers, or if he pled the 5th.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)If so, how did they respond?
H2O Man
(73,308 posts)Thank goodness for such selfless public servants as old Sid.
Has he no shame?
Recommended.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)While the media blathers on....
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)on and on and on. She didn't even give a shit!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)For her own devious purposes, she risked Obama's administration and his legacy by hiding her private server and running a rogue foreign policy on it.
She either thought so little of Obama or so highly of herself that she simply went rogue on him.
democrank
(11,052 posts)can get right on this before some media person mentions that old saying about how we`re judged by the company we keep.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)The FBI only investigates criminal matters.
And what is this garbage about "espionage outlined in great detail here and elsewhere"? What wing-nut site did you draw your quote from?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)What exactly was Sidney Blumenthal doing for the Clinton Foundation that qualified him to receive $10,000 of charity money every month? Or was the Clinton Foundation actually just treated as a Clinton slush fund?
polly7
(20,582 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)She lied to Obama. AND...she paid him! But she paid him from her own company, er, a 'foundation'.