For all the Hillary fans who love to talk about "the math"

[99th_Monkey]

[metroins]

1. Hi Pat, I'd like to buy a delegate....

It's a play on wheel of fortune. Meaning Hillary is leading by delegates and Bernie is extremely far behind because his team chose a bad path in the beginning.

She's also leading in votes.

[pacalo]

8. DNC assigning superdelegates to HC before she has competition is Bernie's fault?

[CobaltBlue]

36. metroins—There is about a 9.2% difference nationally. Bernie has the best demo: 18–29.

[emsimon33]

3. K&R

It is a bad day for the country when the two candidates being touted as the two who will be running for president are held in such a poor light by the voters. The time may be right for a third party.

[KPN]

4. The time is right for a third Party -- but Bernie won't do that.

Too bad, eh?

[emsimon33]

7. Bernie won't & won't condone it.

If Jill Stein plays are cards right and identifies who will be in her cabinet (a strong cabinet), etc., she could be the first woman president of the U.S. given the two parties' offerings. Not the best outcome but the DNC needs to stop all the shenanigans.

[KPN]

11. Mmmm ... I have a hard time seeing the Green Party taking it.

She could certainly end up with 10-20% of votes though.

[emsimon33]

13. It is a weird election & neither presumptive candidate is very popular

People are tired of the status quo, tired of being told they have to do X/fear X. tired of having a choice between two people they do not like or trust.

[KPN]

42. All true.

But not enough people are awake at this point imo.

[potone]

46. True, but Jill Stein cannot win at this stage.

Most people have never heard of her, and will not take a risk on someone they don't know at all. Part of the problem Bernie had was that in the beginning most people didn't know him, and the media ignored him. It took months of campaigning for him to get his message out. Even if she came up with a war chest somehow, there is just not enough time.

I also cannot support anyone who has so little experience that is relevant to the job. We need someone who not only has ideals that we can agree with, but also knows how to work with Congress.

[Jim Lane]

23. Jill Stein will finish fourth, with nowhere near 10% of the vote.

She'll probably improve on the 0.33% she got last time, by picking up a small minority of the Sanders voters. Still, it's unlikely that she'll get the 5% necessary for federal matching funds.

The big minor-party winner from this nominating process will be Gary Johnson (or whoever else wins the Libertarian nomination). Some Republicans will figure that, for all their disagreements with libertarianism on some issues, Trump is a clown and they could never vote for a Clinton. Quite a few of last cycle's Romney voters will vote Libertarian as the best way to adhere to their small-government philosophy. Johnson (who got about 1% last time) has a much better chance than Stein of hitting the 5% threshold.

[cui bono]

12. If it were going to happen this election cycle it would have to be Bernie.

And frankly, if it were a three way race between Hillary, Trump and Bernie, I'd say Bernie would take it, and probably very easily.

This election is the "outsider" election. Hillary is decidedly not an outsider and represents business as usual, the establishment and has high unlikeability and untrustworthy numbers. Plus she took so much money from corporations with her SuperPac and also won't release her transcripts for the speeches she made millions doing.

Trump is and outsider but he is a wild card. He's crass, disgusting, a bigot, a misogynist, has no diplomatic skills, in short, he's a nightmare.

Bernie is an outsider and he is in line with the current rising tide of progessivism and fight for equalitys. He appeals to independents because of his no-nonsense can do attitude, his willingness to speak truth to power and his tenacity and steadfastness in his fight for equality for ALL people.

Considering that independents outnumber Republicans and Democrats these days, and that members of both parties would vote for Bernie if he ran as an independent/third party candidate being that they truly dislike their party's front runners, I truly think he would win.

.

[brooklynite]

24. Who could Stein announce as a Cabinet officer that the average voter has actually heard of?

[KPN]

44. The average voter has never heard of most Cabinet members

until after they've been appointed ... that has been true for my entire 65 year life.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. Just to set the record straight

In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote-- that is, more individual American voters wanted him to be President.

[jamese777]

6. And yet record numbers of people are showing up

at primary election polling stations and caucuses. Hillary Clinton has more than 12 million votes and Donald Trump has more than 10 million.

[Art_from_Ark]

10. And record numbers are also being cheated out of their right to vote

See Adams County, Illinois; Brooklyn, New York; New Bedford, Massachusetts; and Phoenix, Arizona for a few examples.

[pacalo]

15. And yet, what's wrong with that picture?

There are two so-called "fringe" candidates in this race -- one Republican & one Democrat.

Both candidates are wildly popular because of the fact they are on the "fringe" -- neither is a part of the establishment's political business-as-usual shenanigans, yet Hillary is at the top of the establishment that is being rejected in record numbers.

Both candidates get an astoundingly huge number of attendees at their rallies. I don't see people lining up to hear/see Hillary; in fact, where are the pictures of her audiences?

Both candidates have followers who are enthusiastic & highly energized. Hillary doesn't have that level of excitement.

What Hillary does have is the means to create a public perception of success.

(To my fellow Bernie supporters, don't believe the hype. Think.)

[StayFrosty]

9. Why is she winning then?

She's leading Sanders by significant margins

Is he an ineffective candidate?

Maybe he hasn't been subjected to decades of smear campaigns from the right?

[pacalo]

17. Is she? n/t

[StayFrosty]

19. You tell me

Who is leading in delegate count and the popular vote?

Hint: it's not Sanders

[uponit7771]

41. omfg

[Barack_America]

30. You do realize the general election is open to all, right?

Traditional Democrats strongly prefer Clinton, yes, but nobody else does.

[pdsimdars]

32. The reason she has more votes is because of alll the voting "irregularities" happening.

Bernie has bigger crowds, more indifidual donors, raises more money, etc. Only when they go to the polls, hmmmm. . . . somehow . . . . . .

[Lizzie Poppet]

45. Stacked election schedule, closed primaries, and the DNC and media fully in the bag for her...

Need I go on?

[SFnomad]

14. A few more numbers

Clinton 2,209 delegates to Sanders 1,460

Clinton 12,561,272 votes to Sanders 9,446,660

How could Sanders win the General when he isn't even close to wining the Primaries?

[Tiggeroshii]

18. Because the people who will vote in the general aren't allowed to vote

In the primaries

[StayFrosty]

20. Clinton has won more open Primaries than Sanders

Try another talking point

[Tiggeroshii]

21. Try looking at actual data and do basic analysis

There is a reason he is beating trump by double digits where Clinton barely squeaks by. More states doesn't mean more delegates.

[StayFrosty]

22. I have looked at the data

Sanders favorability plummets when people actually sit down and read about his agenda.

Obama won in 2012 by 4% points, Clinton's current polling advantage over Trump is the largest one since 1996 when Bill Clinton led Bob Dole by 17 points.

Try another talking point

[SFnomad]

29. EVERYONE is allowed to vote in the primaries. In some states that require you to be a Democrat

there are people that refuse to register as a Democrat ... that is the ONLY reason they can't vote in the primaries. But that doesn't mean they aren't ALLOWED to vote in those primaries.

[CobaltBlue]

37. SFNomad—You passed off superdelegate count as official. No, focus on pledged.

[SFnomad]

47. Superdelegates ARE official ... quit being in denial n/t

[silvershadow]

16. K&R. Been saying that ever since the wheels fell off the bus months ago. nt

[DrDan]

25. more favorability <> more qualified

[Wednesdays]

26. I can't help but notice

Romney's 47 percent.

[JoePhilly]

27. The search for a new metric continues.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

28. LOL can you script this any better for Hillary? There's no way she can lose to someone twice as

unlikeable as she. Something tells me Mittens will be the nominee then Trump will run 3rd Party, and the sea will open even wider for Hillary.

[Tarc]

31. +291 is all the math you need. :)

[ViseGrip]

35. Oh, you missed last weeks alocations. It's smaller than that!

[Tarc]

38. If you are referring to Washington St's 49, those have long been counted in

Sorry, bro.

The NY Times Tracker has it at +290, so off by one was good enough.

[ViseGrip]

33. Do you have a link for this?

[99th_Monkey]

48. No link, sorry

Someone else PMed me for a link for this, but I just stole it off someone's Facebook
post, and I doubt I can still go back into my FB feed history far enough to recover
it, and I even it I could I don't think there was anything other than the sources
cited on the graphic, i.e. "NYT, CBS and Huffington Post".
I'll try to find something more specific, but I'm not hopeful that I'll find much. Again,
sorry about no link.

[rock]

34. Which one is

The odd woman out? If that's too subtle for you, color all the women' names green. Draw your own conclusion.

[asuhornets]

39. Favorables or unfavorables---this is not a high school contest....eom

[NCTraveler]

40. He doesn't have the votes or delegates.

The people didn't show up for him.

[LaydeeBug]

43. Oh *I* see..favorability ratings is NOT basic delegate math.

You're welcome!

[synergie]

49. So this is what you imagine math to be?