Tue May 10, 2016, 07:09 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
Absurdity: "Study Finds Bernie’s Healthcare Plan Would Cost OVER $30 TRILLION IN TEN YEARS"Last fall, the Wall Street Journal reported that Bernie Sanders would add $18 trillion to America’s national debt. Now a second study has confirmed that. Additionally, the new study claims Bernie’s healthcare plan alone would cost over $30 trillion in just ten years. How can this panicky claim possibly be true when every other developed country with national health care does it for far less with better outcomes than our current half assed healthcare system? Are they extrapolating from the current system? Why not emulate the other systems that are working well at less cost right now? U.S. spends more on health care than other high-income countries but has worse outcomes
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Human101948 | May 2016 | OP |
Jarqui | May 2016 | #1 | |
Vinca | May 2016 | #2 | |
Recursion | May 2016 | #3 | |
Human101948 | May 2016 | #4 | |
Recursion | May 2016 | #5 | |
Human101948 | May 2016 | #10 | |
Recursion | May 2016 | #12 | |
Skwmom | May 2016 | #6 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #7 | |
Fawke Em | May 2016 | #15 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #16 | |
cherokeeprogressive | May 2016 | #8 | |
Human101948 | May 2016 | #11 | |
MelungeonWoman | May 2016 | #9 | |
Rass | May 2016 | #13 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #14 |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jarqui (9,731 posts)
1. US is paying roughly about twice as much or more than any single payer
system per person.
Depending on how they transition to a single payer system, it might go up for a very short period but after that, it will come down - in part because with single payer, they have control. The premise that it's going to go up dramatically smells like empty rhetoric. |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:06 AM
Vinca (49,758 posts)
2. I don't care what it costs - the citizens deserve health care.
If the 30 trillion isn't spent on making us a healthy population, it'll be spent on eliminating a population somewhere overseas.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:22 AM
Recursion (56,566 posts)
3. Because their doctors make half as much as ours do
That's the main answer. And we're not willing to tell doctors to take a pay cut.
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Response to Recursion (Reply #3)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:27 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
4. But where are they going to go?
The other problem is that we limit the number of doctors. Is it maintaining high standards of care? Don't think so, because our outcomes lag behind those of other developed countries. Or is it just a cartel limiting the competition?
Because it takes 10 years to train a doctor, the nation will have a shortage of 85,000 to 200,000 doctors in 2020 unless action is taken soon. |
Response to Human101948 (Reply #4)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:29 AM
Recursion (56,566 posts)
5. They're going to spend a lot of money to unseat legislators who vote for a pay cut
Look at the absurd "doctor fix" that's kept Medicare reimbursements 20% too high for the past 2 decades.
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Response to Recursion (Reply #5)
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:17 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
10. They fought Medicare and lost...
Ronald Reagan produced a record to be played at these events, “Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine,” in which he warned that “one of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine.” The A.M.A. also had strong allies, such as the insurance lobby, which preferred to work behind the scenes to combat the bill.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/medicare-made |
Response to Human101948 (Reply #10)
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:46 AM
Recursion (56,566 posts)
12. No, they won. The doctor fix was an abomination and what worries me about single payer
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:30 AM
Skwmom (12,685 posts)
6. They want the corporate puppet to win and they are willing to lie and mislead the American People to
keep the gravy train rolling. |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:46 AM
Gothmog (136,390 posts)
7. Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan
Prof. Krugman has been saying that the Sanders plan did not add up for some time now http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/weakened-at-bernies/?_r=0
On health care: leave on one side the virtual impossibility of achieving single-payer. Beyond the politics, the Sanders “plan” isn’t just lacking in detail; as Ezra Klein notes, it both promises more comprehensive coverage than Medicare or for that matter single-payer systems in other countries, and assumes huge cost savings that are at best unlikely given that kind of generosity. This lets Sanders claim that he could make it work with much lower middle-class taxes than would probably be needed in practice. To be harsh but accurate: the Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan, which relies on fantasies about huge supply-side effects to make the numbers supposedly add up. Only a little bit: after all, this is a plan seeking to provide health care, not lavish windfalls on the rich — and single-payer really does save money, whereas there’s no evidence that tax cuts deliver growth. Still, it’s not the kind of brave truth-telling the Sanders campaign pitch might have led you to expect. Again, as noted by Prof. Krugman this plan does not add up. |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:17 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
15. I'll never believe that lying shill again.
He flip-flopped on his own belief system to kiss Hillary's ass while besmirching Bernie.
He's dead to me. |
Response to Fawke Em (Reply #15)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:22 PM
Gothmog (136,390 posts)
16. I am sure that Prof. Krugman will be very hurt to hear this
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:09 AM
cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)
8. I'm waiting for the Hillarites to claim eleventy hunnert trazillion soon.
Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #8)
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:18 AM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
11. I've been hearing that number bandied about...
And that's a lot more a gazillion bazillions!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:14 AM
MelungeonWoman (502 posts)
9. So, it will cost what we spent in 12 weeks at the height of Operation Iraqi Liberation.
When can we get started?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:12 PM
Rass (112 posts)
13. Hillary the warmonger
Hillary has an established record as a warmonger along with the banksters she supports. $30 trillion is chump change when it comes to war. We should keep that money here at home.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:15 PM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
14. Wait - another study says Bernie's education plan will cost a million brazillion thousand dollars!
And Wall Street says that we should give them Social Security or it will cost an INFINITY GOOGLEPLEX dollars!!
Holy cow these cretins are scared shitless of Bernie! |