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Tue May 10, 2016, 10:17 PM

 

Sanders Wins West Virginia Primary (And No, It's NOT Inconsequential)

Sanders Wins West Virginia Primary - And No, It's Not "Inconsequential"
'Regardless of what the mainstream media would like you to believe, these victories matter.'
byJon Queally, staff writer * May 10, 2016 * Common Dreams

Bolstering his argument that voters in every state deserve a chance to have their preference registered, Bernie Sanders proved too much for rival Hillary Clinton in Tuesday's Democratic primary in West Virginia, a state she carried handily in 2008 when running against Barack Obama.

With nearly half of precincts reporting, NBC News reports that Sanders had captured 51 percent of the vote compared to Clinton's 39 percent. ~snip~

"With this outcome, we now have won primaries and caucuses in 19 states. We are in this campaign to win the Democratic nomination and we’re going to stay in the race until the last vote is cast. We expect more victories in the weeks to come when voters go to the polls in Kentucky, Oregon, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota and the District of Columbia.

"We fully acknowledge we have an uphill climb ahead of us, but we’re used to that. We have been fighting uphill from the day this campaign began. And after all the votes are cast and counted and this contest moves to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, the delegates will decide which candidate is the strongest nominee to take on Donald Trump in November. All of the evidence indicates that I am that candidate.

"As voters in the remaining states and territories make up their minds about the future of the Democratic Party, I believe they deserve a chance to compare my record and Secretary Clinton’s record on creating jobs, raising the minimum wage, war and peace, the need for health care for all, breaking up big banks, combating climate change and other critical issues. Secretary Clinton’s campaign already has agreed to another debate in California. I hope that we can soon settle on a date and place for that debate."

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/10/sanders-wins-west-virginia-primary-and-no-its-not-inconsequential

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Reply Sanders Wins West Virginia Primary (And No, It's NOT Inconsequential) (Original post)
99th_Monkey May 2016 OP
Silver_Witch May 2016 #1
Renew Deal May 2016 #3
mindwalker_i May 2016 #4
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #6
JudyM May 2016 #7
hack89 May 2016 #19
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #38
hack89 May 2016 #39
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #41
hack89 May 2016 #43
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44
hack89 May 2016 #45
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #46
puffy socks May 2016 #61
asuhornets May 2016 #33
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
Silver_Witch May 2016 #8
bigtree May 2016 #31
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
msongs May 2016 #2
hack89 May 2016 #21
Beacool May 2016 #42
LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #5
uponit7771 May 2016 #9
99th_Monkey May 2016 #10
uponit7771 May 2016 #11
99th_Monkey May 2016 #12
uponit7771 May 2016 #13
99th_Monkey May 2016 #14
uponit7771 May 2016 #25
hellofromreddit May 2016 #22
uponit7771 May 2016 #29
hellofromreddit May 2016 #34
uponit7771 May 2016 #40
NewImproved Deal May 2016 #15
all american girl May 2016 #17
senz May 2016 #51
all american girl May 2016 #56
senz May 2016 #57
all american girl May 2016 #58
senz May 2016 #59
all american girl May 2016 #60
senz May 2016 #62
uponit7771 May 2016 #30
azurnoir May 2016 #49
uponit7771 May 2016 #63
azurnoir May 2016 #65
uponit7771 May 2016 #66
azurnoir May 2016 #67
senz May 2016 #47
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #16
senz May 2016 #48
Name removed May 2016 #18
Agschmid May 2016 #20
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liberal N proud May 2016 #24
JoePhilly May 2016 #26
BeyondGeography May 2016 #27
Trust Buster May 2016 #28
99th_Monkey May 2016 #52
Demsrule86 May 2016 #32
Tarc May 2016 #35
senz May 2016 #50
99th_Monkey May 2016 #53
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #54
senz May 2016 #55
NurseJackie May 2016 #64

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:18 PM

1. 51% - Go get em Bernie!

 

51% that is something indeed.

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Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #1)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:26 PM

3. And 44% of those were Trump supporters.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:32 PM

4. Keep spanking that monkey

Ain't heard it squeal yet.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:34 PM

6. You mean DEMOCRATS who will *NOT VOTE for HRC*

 

there, corrected for you

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:37 PM

7. Well said, and despite its obviousness, somehow lost on some here.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:16 AM

19. Dems that consistently vote republican in presidential elections

look at Obama in 2012.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #19)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:00 PM

38. You can pretend otherwise but they are Democrats

 

if the Clintons have one thing going for them, which their supporters don't, is the ability to read tea leaves. I am sure the war room is in DANGER, DANGER Will Robinson mode

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #38)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:02 PM

39. Who historically vote republican in presidential elections

so their choice in the primaries says nothing about their votes in the GE.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #39)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:05 PM

41. As I said, you can still pretend otherwise,

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #41)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:05 PM

43. Don't have to pretend when we have actual election results. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #43)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:29 PM

44. You can still pretend

 

and I am going to enjoy this. Yes Reagan Democrats are real, so were Bush Democrats, and guess what, so will Trump democrats. Ain't that lovely. But you will, as always blame the voters, who are on the left side of the wheelhouse. At this point it is entertaining as hell.

And from what I hear many of them (on the left) who actually always vote democratic and are reliable, even in dog catcher elections, some at least are indeed planning to sit it out. They will get blamed anywhere, instead of the always mercurial right wing (far right wing0 of your party.

It is kind of amusing the pretzel logic at play.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #44)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:34 PM

45. You are going to enjoy a Trump victory?

ok. At least we know where your ego is in relationship to the good of the county.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #45)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:41 PM

46. Nah I am going to enjoy the pretzel logic

 

as to what will happen in November, it will be much closer than you think. And that is as far as I will take the prediction game. The dynamics this year are way off. Mind you, I have taken Trump not as a joke, but seriously from word go, ok a week after he launched. It took me that long to read though speeches and see where he actually seems to be coming from.

But I will enjoy the blame game from hard core partisans who cannot understand what is really happening. It is kind of fun. After all the level of cognitive dissonance is well... amusing at this point.

I am sure that what happened in WV last night, is being taken as a sign of trouble by the campaign though,. They might be hard core, but at least I hope they are not as incompetent as you guys.

To your posts, I should insert this.



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Response to hack89 (Reply #43)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:53 PM

61. They need to pretend.

 

Thats why we keep hearing Bernie still has a chance.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:42 AM

33. If they were Trump supporers then they were not Democrats.

They just meddle and interfered with our primary yet again. Sanders did not reach his target, so they tied in delegates.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #33)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:58 AM

36. You can pretend otherwise

 

but THEY ARE DEMOCRATS

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Tue May 10, 2016, 11:56 PM

8. You are wrong...

 

And full of yourself.

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Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #8)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:02 AM

31. um

NBC News ‏@NBCNews 8h8 hours ago

Donald Trump supporters gave Bernie Sanders a boost in West Virginia http://nbcnews.to/27cydiq #Decision2016

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Response to bigtree (Reply #31)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:59 AM

37. Take a DEEP DIVE in there BT you can do it

 

same fucking poll finds that 15 percent of HRC supporters will vote for Trump in November.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:20 PM

2. massive win for sanders. really chops down her lead in a consequential way nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:17 AM

21. No it doesn't

he badly missed his delegate target. It just makes the next state that much harder.

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:05 PM

42. Not really where it matters.

He just got 7 pledged delegates more than Hillary out of WV (18-11).

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:33 PM

5. 55 more of these

and we've got ourselves a horse race.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:36 AM

9. Another non diverse Obama hating state goes to the "progressive" candidate, I'm soured on ....

... progressiveness if this is what it means

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #9)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:03 AM

10. When a candidate is genuinely Progressive, I don't give a rat's ass WHO votes for them.

 

The more votes the better. That's how elections are won: by broadening ones appeal
by being genuinely who you are.

The operative word is GENUINELY Progressive -- which leaves 3rd Way
neo-liberals out.

So trashing the very notion of even being a progressive has begun? Interesting tack
to take.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:06 AM

11. I do if they're mostly white in a country that celebrates its diversity, if the country is to TRULY

... make progress there shouldn't be this type of racial polorization towards a dem candidate

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:16 AM

12. I don't feel that states that are mostly white should be demonized

 

and stigmatized ... any more than a state packed with minorities should be written-off
or demonized.

Hint: It's called the UNITED States of America.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #12)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:43 AM

13. But you support the candidate that dismisses the states with large black dem primary voters...

... it ok, this too shall pass and be over quick.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:58 AM

14. Universally, candidates reflexively minimize the importance of losses & talk-up their wins

 

I can think of no exceptions, unless we're taking about Vermin Supreme, et. al.

We both know this is true of both Hills and Bernie.

Using this to conjure-up some nasty attack-narrative on Bernie is in very poor taste,
and this would cut both ways.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #14)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:45 AM

25. Hillary didn't minimize demographics that way in 08 iirc, this is not a narrative this is Sanders he

... said in 14 that social issues when it comes to race isn't important and he's carried on his campaign as such.

The "southern states" dismissal was at least tone deaf

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:30 AM

22. Key difference:

 

Sanders dismissed the south because he knew the politics there were not friendly to his platform.

You're dismissing WV because those people are the wrong color.

Those things are not equivalent.

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Response to hellofromreddit (Reply #22)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:48 AM

29. Neither is the rest of the northern red states he won, what the hell!?! Oklahoma is the reddest of..

... red states in the US and went to Sanders without the dismissive meme

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #29)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:01 AM

34. This is the primary. "Red-ness" is irrelevant.

 

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Response to hellofromreddit (Reply #34)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:04 PM

40. The Sanders should NOT have mentioned how conservatives those states are then, the progressives

... in the states aren't conservative at all by no means

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:08 AM

15. Your Racism is showing.

 

Why do so many Clinton Apologists believe that gratuitous White-Bashing is not only acceptable, but fashionable?

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Response to NewImproved Deal (Reply #15)

Wed May 11, 2016, 05:06 AM

17. Well, a lot of Bernie supporters here at DU were bashing the southern states

where there is more diversity, as if they didn't matter...even Bernie, himself, downplayed Hillary's wins and that was heard.

Some in the AA community right here was very upset about the attitude of the Bernie supporters towards the southern states...but it fell on deaf ears.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #17)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:47 PM

51. But NO Bernie supporter bashes PoC.

 

Bernie is a lifelong advocate for PoC and his supporters know that.

So don't be making lies out of it. Thank you.

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Response to senz (Reply #51)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:15 PM

56. I never said he wasn't, and so was Hillary for AA...

Just look back at around Feb. and Mar. it was ugly around here for AA people...Do you see many of the the "old folks" responding anymore...just saying

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Response to all american girl (Reply #56)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:18 PM

57. I've never been convinced that Hill is for AA.

 

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Response to senz (Reply #57)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:22 PM

58. Seriously...I'm going with the AA community...they know way more than me, and they believe in her

Just remember, the Dems are made of the backs and the souls of the AA women...

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Response to all american girl (Reply #58)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:44 PM

59. Younger AAs who use social media are trending toward Bernie.

 

Those who rely on the MSM know nothing about Bernie because the corporate media ignores him and advocates for Hillary. A year ago, Bernie was not known outside of congress.

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Response to senz (Reply #59)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:50 PM

60. There's nothing wrong with the youth...

but, please don't disregard the women who aren't that demographic.... many AA women are that...

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Response to all american girl (Reply #60)

Wed May 11, 2016, 04:12 PM

62. I am a woman and, since the 1970s, a feminist.

 

Yes, older Americans of both sexes and all races tend to rely on the corporate media for information and tend to be Hillary supporters. Younger Americans of both sexes and all races trend toward Bernie.

Some older Americans, like me, have learned to distrust the MSM, but I think we are in the minority.

I don't "disregard" anyone.

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Response to NewImproved Deal (Reply #15)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:55 AM

30. Sanders getting stomped in diverse America looking places is Sanders own doing because he...

... , like many in the DNC, dismiss the power of the Hispanic and black and female votes AND ISSUES in America.

He did an interview in 14 about getting back the working class white votes !!

In that interview he KNOWINGLY said we shouldn't focus on racial issues and said "that's not important" when it came to them.


This is his own doing


Having someone who called Obama niggerized in IA and NH stump for him in front of mostly white people didn't help either

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:25 PM

49. yes and I feel that candidates who've made comments about PoC particularly young men

such as "they must be brought to heel" and then go on to cynically use race as a polarizing factor both ways in 2 different election cycles, tell a majority Black crowd in Harlem that they are all for gun control and then mere days later tells a nearly all white crowd in rural PA that they are all for the 2nd amendment should condemned for that tactic as it divides the coountry not to mention the Democratic party

but it's nice to see you think the US 'celebrates diversity" is that along the same lines as being post racial ? If so how and if not why?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #49)

Wed May 11, 2016, 05:50 PM

63. Only stupid ass'd racist think those terms are meant exclusively for young black men

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #63)

Thu May 12, 2016, 11:50 AM

65. yes because in 1996 when she made the superpredators comment we were all about white gang activity

except if you were alive then and remember white gangs were not even on the radar it was Black gangs and crack that were the crime concern du jour,

to imply that that I am a racist for knowing that and having lived that is ridiculous to put it very politely

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #65)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:37 PM

66. White gangs were on the radar for people who weren't racist enough to think the phrase

... was exclusive to black kids or any other racial gangs.

I'm not implying anything about anyone, I'm making statements that are not in dispute relative to the child thread at hand.

If this does apply to anyone then they need to check their attitudes.

It's like Jackie Robinson said (iirc) "most things was fine (on his team) until we all had to take showers together", WE ALL need to check our attitudes and thinking.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #66)

Fri May 13, 2016, 11:34 AM

67. it almost sounds as if you're try to 'whitesplain' Hillary to me

interesting in the M$M in the '90's it was all about Black Gangs and crack - to the point where in some places you could be arrested on suspicion simply for wearing certain colors of plaid

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:12 PM

47. An excellent point that gets lost around here.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 04:53 AM

16. Lol! Loveya West Virginia! They took HRC to the woodshed.

West Virginia You made my day, and my week!

It's a great thing for these establishment-type corruption puppeteers, to be shown once in a while that although most of the Party is cowed into submission by their "Hit List" of carrots and sticks -- meaning bribes and threats -- that...

SOME. PEOPLE. WILL. NOT. DANCE. TO. THEIR. TUNE.

She can sit up on Olympus all she wants and pull levers of power and snap her fingers for gum and talk about not needing their votes, but NEVERTHELESS, the voters of West Virginia had their say and

TOLD HER OFF!!! Good for them! That was a thing of beauty!

And Kentucky is watching, and waiting for its own chance to spit in her eye!

Not forgetting you Oregon, we know you're ready to be counted!


Bernie people are so cool.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #16)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:20 PM

48. ^^ Thread winner ^^

 

Absolutely beautiful post, Waiting For Everyman.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:17 AM

20. Biased article. I expect nothing less from common dreams.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:34 AM

23. The point of this article is that it was a consequential win because some WANT it to be.

 

No one has ever said that other states don't deserve the chance to vote. No one. But...the math.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is [strike]-hockey-[/strike] Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:44 AM

24. I don't think this win is going to make much of a dent in that delegate deficit

17 delegates for Clinton
17 delegates for Sanders

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:46 AM

26. Good ole commonfantasies.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:47 AM

27. This has all the excitement of September baseball

When the players are compiling stats for next year's contracts.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:48 AM

28. Sanders is a Trojan horse. His sole purpose for staying in the race is to hand the election to Trump

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #28)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:55 PM

52. Wrong.

 

Trump is the Trojan Horse if anyone is.

To lob a hand-grenade into the GOP mix, then hand the election to Hillary in the GE.

Remember? Trump & the Clintons are pals, and have been for a long time. It was Bill
who "advised & encouraged" Trump to run in the first place, and he's playing his role perfectly.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:24 AM

32. Bernie won voters who

are so racist, they voted for a felon in jail in order to embarrass the president in 12. This is a state we have not carried in 20 years...so not important. In 08 they admitted in exit polls that race was a factor in voting for Clinton and the admitted this time that though they voted for Bernie...they would never vote for Bernie in the fall but would vote for Trump...sorry this is not a significant win and not just in terms of math.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:10 AM

35. It is the epitome of inconsequential

Missed his target by 15% or so.

#math

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:26 PM

50. Why are all the Hill fans so SOUR?

 

So Bernie won another state. They've been telling us forever that he doesn't stand a chance, so why should this win bother them?

Ungracious when they win and ungracious when they lose.


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Response to senz (Reply #50)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:57 PM

53. +10 nt

 

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Response to senz (Reply #50)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:14 PM

54. They'd better get used to it

because Bernie's on track to run the table until D.C.

They might get a break in NJ. Or not.

https://www.laprogressive.com/bernie-could-still-win/

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #54)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:42 PM

55. Thanks, WFE.

 

Maybe this explains why they're even more sour than usual and why we're hearing that Hill is going to run negative ads to try to eliminate Bernie. I hope the Bernie campaign is ready for it. Her campaign can be very, very ugly. Guess I should kick in some more money.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 05:52 PM

64. If you have to say it's not inconsequential ... it's inconsequential.

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