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Wed May 11, 2016, 12:38 PM

Please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems

Sen. Bernie Sanders rejects the premise set up by MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell about his continued presence in the Democratic race negatively impacting Clinton in the general election, saying he is on equal footing with Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and can still win.

"Oh, really? Andrea, in every state that we have won, in 19 states, we have had to take on the entire Democratic establishment. We have had to take on senators and governors and mayors and members of Congress, so please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems," Sanders said.

"I don't think I was moaning about Hillary Clinton's problems," Mitchell responded.

"I know it's a steep climb. ... We still have the possibility of coming in with the majority of pledged delegates," Sanders added.

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/11/bernie_sanders_to_andrea_mitchell_dont_moan_to_me_about_hillary_clintons_problems.html

Agreed Bernie!

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Reply Please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems (Original post)
Joob May 2016 OP
brooklynite May 2016 #1
Renew Deal May 2016 #6
Armstead May 2016 #9
Demsrule86 May 2016 #85
Demsrule86 May 2016 #89
Armstead May 2016 #92
Dragonfli May 2016 #102
Demsrule86 May 2016 #110
Dragonfli May 2016 #116
rhett o rick May 2016 #18
Demsrule86 May 2016 #111
rhett o rick May 2016 #115
Sheepshank May 2016 #44
merrily May 2016 #76
brooklynite May 2016 #82
merrily May 2016 #86
Octafish May 2016 #108
JoePhilly May 2016 #2
Joob May 2016 #3
Demsrule86 May 2016 #91
grasswire May 2016 #4
JoePhilly May 2016 #7
Vincardog May 2016 #14
DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #42
Armstead May 2016 #8
JoePhilly May 2016 #12
Armstead May 2016 #16
merrily May 2016 #77
rhett o rick May 2016 #21
Merryland May 2016 #32
Demsrule86 May 2016 #46
Sparkly May 2016 #23
YouDig May 2016 #5
Armstead May 2016 #13
YouDig May 2016 #17
Logical May 2016 #19
eridani May 2016 #72
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Dragonfli May 2016 #24
Ned_Devine May 2016 #31
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #81
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Demsrule86 May 2016 #43
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Demsrule86 May 2016 #93
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Demsrule86 May 2016 #41
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Demsrule86 May 2016 #45
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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:40 PM

1. Please do not whine to me about how "unfair" the Primary process is...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

6. lol, exactly

The same guy rants and raves about a "rigged" system

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:46 PM

9. Did you watch the interview?

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:43 AM

85. I did

You probably won't believe it but I actually felt sorry for him...desperate and bitter. The problem is he is actively hurting us in the GE effort I do not believe he gives a rats you know what for the people he claims to care about. Berne loves Bernie.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:44 AM

89. I saw the Chris Hayes interview too

Same result. He knows from what he told Chris he can't win delegate-wise but plans to use polls to appeal to the supers at the convention. I can't think of anything worse for this country or his situation.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #89)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:48 AM

92. Two points...

 

I assume you were equally outraged in 2008 when Clinton was saying the same things

Sanders is arguing that SD's who represent states where Sanders won decisively should reflect those results. (He has also said Clinton SD from states where she won decisively should do the same for her.)

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #89)

Thu May 12, 2016, 03:15 PM

102. Do you know the "supposed" purpose of superdelegates? I do, and it isn't so they can be purchased or

threatened by a candidate to vote for them. Nor is it as some are now trying to spin, "so they and regular people can both feel warm and fuzzy by being part of the convention."


You see he superdelegates are supposed to support the one that will win the GE and not lose it, current trends show that Sanders would be that guy, of course in order to keep the people fooled that believe they are supposed to vote mostly as tie breakers, (that is not their actual intended purpose)

Sanders will have to bring down that 250+ pledged delegate deficit to a much smaller margin, one in the single digits or double digits perhaps depending on just how unelectable Clinton is in the GE at the time of the convention.

For the record however, again - the superdelegates do have a purpose and it is not a "feel good, I get to be involved!" purpose. It is "about the business of winning again" to quote one of the Committee members that formed the rule change that brought the Superdelegates into being.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And, Professor Rohde, could you explain why the Democratic Party came up with the superdelegate system and whether the Republican Party follows the same system?

DAVID ROHDE: Let me take the second part first. The Republicans have—do have some superdelegates, but it’s—I believe the number is three per state. So it’s not very important. It’s for the national party representatives from the state.
The reason that the Democrats adopted the superdelegate plan was really because of the possibility of insurgent candidates, not for their own sake, but insurgent candidates who might not be successful in general elections. So it doesn’t do the party a lot of good to nominate a candidate that reflects the wishes of the party and then to go on and lose the general election. And the poster child for this, of course, was George McGovern, and that—who was an insurgent candidate, won out against the party establishment and then got beaten by 20 points in the national election in a gigantic landslide.

So, the Hunt Commission, the commission that was looking at various aspects of the way the party was organized, after the 1980 election, thought that having superdelegates—and they—in the Democratic Party, they are the members of the National Committee, of which there are a little more than 400, Democratic members of the U.S. House, Democratic members of the U.S. Senate and Democratic governors. And that adds up to 712. And the Hunt Commission thought that having those elected officials play a part in choosing the nominee would be a partial balance that would give more weight to the considerations of electability than might otherwise be placed by the delegates that were elected in the primaries and caucuses.

AMY GOODMAN interview FEBRUARY 11, 2016
DAVID ROHDE
professor of political science at Duke University and co-author of a series of books on every national election since 1980.
MATT KARP
assistant professor of history at Princeton University and contributing editor at Jacobin. His most recent article for Jacobin is "The War on Bernie Sanders.


Some history I've been reading regarding the supposed purpose of the Superdelegates and the reason for there existence:

To nominate a candidate who can win.

While the first two rationales are more procedural, the latter two have a somewhat more specific outcome in mind. For one thing, in light of what had happened in 1972 and 1980, there was some surprisingly frank discussion about the electability of the eventual nominee:

Gov. James B. Hunt Jr. of North Carolina is chairman of the 69-member commission reviewing party nominating rules for the fourth time since 1969. He began the first regional hearing by saying that the goal was to give ordinary Democrats ''greater faith and confidence in the nominating process.''

Victory Is the Objective

''We're about the business of winning again,'' he said, in describing the objective of the commission, which is to present recommendations for action by the national committee early next year. (NYT, 9/25/81)

Gov. James B. Hunt Jr. of North Carolina, who heads the latest Democratic rule-changing group, an unwieldy, 29-member agglomeration of the innocent and the experienced, describes its task as one of writing ''rules that will help us choose a nominee who can win and who, having won, can govern effectively.'' The rules will probably matter less than the unemployment rate to a Democratic victory in 1984. But the comments underscore a traditional motive for the task of rule-changing the Democratic National Committee will finish in March. Much of this year's deliberations have seemed infused with a desire to deny future nominations to political reincarnations of the Jimmy Carter of 1976. (NYT, 1/27/82)

The concept was spawned at a meeting of party leaders after the Republicans scored smashing victories in the 1980 elections. ''There was a strong feeling,'' he said.


One should also not count one's chickens before they are hatched and the MSM is using fraudulent numbers despite being told directly not to by the DNCs Communications director.



And just recently told by DWS herself not to include superdelegates in their counts on election coverage (I apologize for not finding that clip yet)

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #102)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:57 PM

110. If that was the case then just take a poll and let the party elite select the nominee

The nominee should be the one who wins the most delegates period.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #110)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:19 PM

116. Take a poll of the entire electorate? This may sound rude, but did't read what you responded to?

They are supposed to pick the Most electable in the GE, the superdelegates specifically are supposed to pick who they think will win in the GENERAL ELECTION, that is their job, their entire purpose for being created, so what the hell does your response have to do with that whatsoever?

All the eligible voters in the nations cast these things called votes, these votes are tallied, most of these (I know these are big words but bear with me) VOTES are cast by a majority that is neither a member of the Democratic party, nor the (party elite, you are invoking).

I actually personally do not think superdelegates should exist, but they do, and because I don't run the party and neither do you, neither of us can change that.

Knowing they exist whether we like it or not, and knowing their intended purpose (to avoid losing an election via a disaster of a candidate), the only valid arguments one can or should make to them is not, "how much can I bribe you for your vote", or "My family is the mot powerful family in the party and I will destroy you politically if you don't vote for me"

But rather, I can win against the Republican opponent but my adversary can't. Do you get it or not? Or is this discussion way over your head, and I need to explain it as if to a two year old? (so far this post should make perfect sense to even a ten year old.)

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:04 PM

18. It's the supposedly "tough" Hillary that's whining about Sanders continuing the race.

 

One would think she would welcome the challenge instead of whining about it. She really would like to have been anointed so she wouldn't have to undergo this terrible inconvenience.

And of course Clinton has Andrea Mitchell on her side, yuck. Maybe her husband will get a position in the Goldman-Sachs administration.

Congrats on getting the first response slot. Do you guys get a special tool to do that? It's happening more and more. How sad that it's that important to you. Especially since you think Clinton has the nomination sewed up.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #18)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:58 PM

111. Are you serious?

We don't give a damn about Bernie ...how he feels etc..boo hoo. We want to win the general, and now he is an obstacle.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #111)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:03 PM

115. Make up your mind. Is he an obstacle or don't you give a damn about him?

 

And how would he be an obstacle. Doesn't honest debate build better candidates? Oh yeah, the conservative wing are afraid of debates. They wanted an anointment for their Chosen One.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:30 PM

44. he whines about his peers

 

where he has done little to nothing to create any sort of working relationship with his peers over his decades in office, and now whines that they are fighting against him (meaning they simply are not voting in his favor)?

Sheesh Bernie, laying the groundwork in any PR job (which after all is a big part of campagning), simply isn't your strong point, is it?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:21 AM

76. Why the hell not? It's been horrendous, discouraging and embarrassing.

The party is turning off everyone under 40 and quite a few older people as well. Reap. Sow.

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Response to merrily (Reply #76)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:40 AM

82. You sound like those parents who give kids "participation" trophies...

"Hey! I went out and voted; why didn't my candidate win?"

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #82)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:43 AM

86. That post of yours sounds like you heartily approve of election fraud and

mock those who don't employ it. That post also sounds like you approve of bad parenting.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #82)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:18 PM

108. Seriously! Can you imagine?

When I spend my hard earned money on a candidate I expect results.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:41 PM

2. Actually, Bernie sounds kind of whiny in that quote.

Everyone is against me ... waaaaaa!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:43 PM

3. Nah, he has valid points. And he's actually helping the Democratic party.

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Response to Joob (Reply #3)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:46 AM

91. Bernie is hurting the party and our efforts to be Trump

The sort of entitled spoiled behavior helps no one. He is not entitled to the nomination. He had to win it and has failed so now concede and endorse ...think of the country and not your spoiled self.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

4. no, that's Hillary's default response.

Listen to yourself.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #4)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

7. His quote is whiny. Just a fact.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:51 PM

14. His quote is a fact. Your "whiny" is an impression. You of course are entitled to your own

impressions not your own facts.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:28 PM

42. Characterizing an interview with a highly subjective word

 

is pretty much the polar opposite of a "fact". You're welcome to your opinion, but youll find out it's a real mistake to try and vault it to the level of objective fact.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:45 PM

8. No, Adrea was almost begging him to get out

 

His sarcastic reply was totaly line line with her tone

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Response to Armstead (Reply #8)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:47 PM

12. So a reporter was asking uncomfortable questions?

Ya don't say.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #12)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:54 PM

16. Did you watch it?

 

It's not a matter of uncomfortable questions.

She was whining that Sanders is mucking things up for Clinton.

He snapped back.

End of story...though I realize "whining" is a good way to dismiss a candidate as less than serious.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/20

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #12)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:25 AM

77. Reporter, my ass. She was advocating for Hillary, which is what one would expect from

the wife of Alan Greenspan.

She's a journalist like I'm a decathalon winner.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:08 PM

21. Is it whiny or grumpy? Make up your minds. Hillary is the one whining about having to

 

continue this race. She was people to pressure her opponent to quit. Wow, not so tough after all. But she has always been uncomfortable with having competition. She would have preferred to be anointed.

And I am disappointed that some calling themselves Democrats don't support the democratic process.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #21)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:36 PM

32. right on!

Why the hell do people think the nomination for President of the United States should be handed over to Hillary Clinton? I don't get it. Andrea Mitchell & her colleagues are so full of it.

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Response to Merryland (Reply #32)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:34 PM

46. MIght be

because she won.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:09 PM

23. Just a bit!

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

5. Bernie is delusional if he thinks he can win more pledged delegates.

But I don't think he's delusional, I think he's just lying to keep his delusional supporters sending him money.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #5)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:48 PM

13. Screw you. I'm not delusional, and I'm sending a few more. You just insulted many people personally.

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #13)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:56 PM

17. If you think Bernie can win more pledged delegates, then, yes, you are delusional.

I know a lot of funny math has been posted here in the last few weeks, but that doesn't change the numbers. If you only get your information from DU or other liberal blogs, then it might seem like this is a close race and maybe Bernie is even "winning" because of "momentum" or something. Today the "big" story is that someone related to someone who donated to Hillary had a company that showed up in some Panama Paper. And people think this is going to sink Hillary's campaign, she's going to resign and let Bernie have it. Because some guy nobody heard of is related to someone else who's name showed up somewhere that nobody cares about.

No. It's all delusion. Hillary has this easily. The numbers are the numbers, look at them carefully.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #17)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:07 PM

19. Bernie needs to call her out until the convention. Nt

 

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Response to YouDig (Reply #17)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:34 AM

72. The numbers say that no one yet has the required number of pledged delegates

How about that?

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Response to YouDig (Reply #5)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:12 PM

24. .

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #24)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:34 PM

31. Exactly

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #31)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:39 AM

81. April was a busy month, lol

 

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #24)

Thu May 12, 2016, 02:42 PM

100. Today's word is: Grift.

There are so many very new and very vocal people who are VERY concerned about my $27. It warms the heart, it does.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:47 PM

10. Good For Bernie!

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:47 PM

11. Thank you, Senator! I agree. It does get old. nt

 

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:52 PM

15. That man isn't afraid of anybody, is he?

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:07 PM

20. The core problem is that Hillary

sucks like a Hoover in orbit around a black hole. More specifically, she's untrustworthy because of the many cases in which she has lied. Also, she doesn't have a reason to run for prez that she has communicated to people. The rank and file dems seem to have gone for that, but the rest of the country isn't. Her supporters ignore all this.

Make you bed, deal with the bed bugs.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #20)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:09 PM

22. Not to Mention she said she'd look into releasing transcripts THEN will only release if others did.

NO ONE HAS ANY NOW

So what now? Hillary going to lie her way out of this one?? Hell, I'd be happy if she just said no and stopped fucking with us.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #20)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:31 PM

28. "the many cases in which she has lied"

Thank you, RNC.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #28)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:20 PM

39. Standard operating procedure

All criticisms of Hillary absolutely must be only the work of the GOP.

You're likely in for a ruse awakening when the evidence that many people not of the GOP don't trust her. I wonder what contortions you and the Hillary Devout will twist yourselves into in order to avoid that truth.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #39)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:42 PM

48. If the shoe fits...

The memes here are all straight from the rightwing. They've done a thorough job of "catapulting the propaganda," that's for sure.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #48)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:07 PM

57. If you MAKE the shoe fit...

That Hillary lies a lot is not a meme, it's a fact.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:29 PM

25. HEY DEMOCRATS: SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN SOMEONE FIGHTS HARD AND DOESN'T GIVE UP?

 

I know, I know, it's been quite a while since a Democrat actually fought for something, so I understand why this may frighten and confuse you...

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #25)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:30 PM

26. What's he fighting for, other than for Trump?

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #26)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:55 PM

36. For working class people, unions, poor people...

The list goes on and on.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #36)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:28 PM

43. Who will all suffer way more than most under a Trump presidency...

so no he is no longer fighting for anyone but himself....selfish and more selfish.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #43)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:43 PM

49. I think they'll suffer equally under either a Trump or Clinton presidency.

I don't trust that she'll do much of anything to thwart income inequality or take on Wall Street.

In fact, she may even be worse. When she tries to means-test Social Security (effectively killing it), she will have the backing of all the Third Way Democrats and all of the Republicans. If Trump tried that, the Democrats would stand up to him on Party principle and half the Republicans wouldn't want anything to do with his proposals.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #49)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:18 PM

67. this is not a reality based post

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #43)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:53 PM

53. If you seriously want to prevent a Trump presidency, back Sanders...

 

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Response to AzDar (Reply #53)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:53 AM

93. Absotuley not

I liked Bernie at one time. As I have stated I voted for him in Ohio.I kind of liked the pushing the party left idea. I knew Bernie would not win Ohio even though it is an open primary. But now after he has lost the primary and refuses to concede...no. I am done with Bernie. I can't stand him. Should he manage to steal the primary which is the only way he could win...IE has fewer delegates than Hillary...I would not vote. He would lose anyway so I don't have to vote for a cheater and overall bad person. I don't vote for people who are selected rather than elected. The only way Bernie would get my vote is to win the delegates. At that point, I would hold my nose and vote for him. In my opinion, he has no shot of winning the GE after the swiftboating coming his way, but if he had the most delegates, I would do my part to stop the horror of a Trump presidency. If he overturned the will of the voters...never.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #26)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:18 PM

58. He's fighting for US

whereas she is fighting for herself.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #26)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:20 AM

70. for regular Americans, for our democracy, for the truth, to break Wall St.'s grip on our economy, to

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #25)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:38 PM

33. Well said!

These faux Democrats who have gained control of my party are full of it.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #25)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:27 PM

41. Yeah and I would never condsider supportig one

This guy would throw away the general and the courts for his own large ego...it is about him. he is a bad person that is clear.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #41)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:57 PM

56. Right, it's about him.

 



And I think your idea of a bad person is a little skewed.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #25)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:32 PM

45. fight for what

Letting the GOP win and destroy a woman's right to choose with five court picks? Bernie means nothing to me. If Bernie continues, you are all finished -there will be no revolution. To take a very winnable election and destroy our chances is just plain stupid on Bernies' part. I used to like Bernie. Now I despise him. He has shown his true colors. The Dems should have thought twice before letting that backstabber into the party.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #45)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:46 PM

50. When are you going to realize that the problem is with HER?

It's HER record that is weak.
She can't put the primary away because HER position aren't liked by most of the remaining states.
It's HER flip-flopping that makes people distrust her.

And so on.

Bernie is just presenting an alternative to her weak record.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #50)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:27 AM

78. #problemsarewithher

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #25)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:17 PM

66. k so fighting now = wasting peoples time and taking other peoples money? fuck fighting then

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #25)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:39 AM

118. What????/? making a few nasty comments like Trump is 'fighting hard?' nt

 

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:31 PM

27. Hillary wants Sen Sanders to quit in the 8th inning because she is afraid he might still

 

pull it out. She want's people to sympathize with her and beg Sanders to quit. She knows she will have a problem with Trump so she wants Sanders to support her. LOL. After the lies and shenanigans that have been pulled on her behalf, that's audacity.



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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:34 PM

30. He's running in the Democratic primary

for the Democratic nomination at the Democratic convention with Democratic delegates, and beating down the Democratic party and its Democratic front leader at every opportunity, while not helping at all with Congressional races Democrats are competing in.

It would be great if he were a cause for GOOD and actually helping what he claims to care about, but he isn't.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #30)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:47 PM

51. At least he's not stealing from the down-ticket Democrats like she is.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #51)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:50 PM

52. Stealing? Please explain.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #52)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:58 PM

106. Look up Hillary Victory Fund

 

and how little it goes to downticket races. Very little.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:39 PM

34. He will pull it out because she is unlikable

and a bit too money hungry.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:31 PM

29. lOVE IT! Sanders dropping the Hammer on Mitchell

 

DROP THE HAMMER

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #29)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:33 AM

80. He used to regularly drop the hammer on Andrea's husband. . Alan Greeenspan . .

 

whenever he would come before congress, Bernie GRILLED him.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:44 PM

35. For one I love that the media keeps replaying this clip of Sanders. This one makes him look bad...

 

nothing more than a selfish old man who is putting his own desire to stay in the spotlight ahead of the good of the party and the country. How much more evidence do the super delegates need that he is not a loyal party member, and does not deserve any of their votes? Keep talking like this and you will be cutting your 'small thread of a chance'. I mean it...please keep talking!

His idealism was cute for a while, but it's time to grow up. To quote Obama... "If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself, you will enjoy a certain moral purity, but you’re not going to get what you want. And if you don’t get what you want long enough, you will eventually think the whole system is rigged. And that will lead to more cynicism, and less participation, and a downward spiral of more injustice and more anger and more despair. And that's never been the source of our progress. That's how we cheat ourselves of progress."

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Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #35)

Wed May 11, 2016, 01:59 PM

37. It only "makes him look bad" to denizens of Camp Weathervane.

 

Who are, apparently, little more than condescending cult followers who care more about shallow bullshit like brand loyalty than genuine progressive values. Sucks to be them...

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Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #35)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:57 PM

55. It is not Compromise to move in the opposite direction of what you say you want

 

Rather than compromise, the DLC/Clinton Democratic Wall St. machine pushes the party to the right on issues related to wealth and power

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Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #35)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:40 AM

83. I think it makes him look GREAT! Stop all the whining for God's sake. Is that all they have?

 

Whining, victim, sexism, picking on me, etc. Do they have any agenda they can clearly define? She's equivalent to Trump and his "we're gonna make American great."
Same thing Hillary does. . .slogans, not plans. "we want Wall Street to work for us" as opposed to "split the big banks up". You can say all the words you want, passionately declare your slogans, but none of that compares to listing what you want to do in practical terms.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:10 PM

38. "Moan" sounds like something Donald Trump would say.

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Response to Justice (Reply #38)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:03 PM

63. Exactly. nt

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:25 PM

40. There you have it

Sen Sanders...doesn't give a damn about the general...this is all spite and bitterness on his part. His ego is more important than stopping Trump. It is a terrible shame he ever got in...he now makes me officially sick.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #40)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:00 PM

107. I don't believe that you backed Bernie in Ohio

 

You are a fake Bernie supporter if you said "I voted for Bernie but"... it ends there.. no-one's buying your bullshit that you're selling, friend.

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Response to Hare Krishna (Reply #107)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:51 PM

109. I have no reason to lie.

I never thought he would take Ohio...not his kind of place although we do have open primaries and if the cons were not busy voting for Trump they would have screwed around with our primary. I wanted to move Hillary left...I like Bernie's ideas... but don't think he can win a general. I still don't. So my college kids and I went out and voted for Bernie...they were thrilled when I voted for him. Their next suggestion was a tattoo in honor of the occasion, but I hate needles. My kids by the way still like Bernie. I don't. He has seriously annoyed me. I see a woman's right to choose among other things disappearing if Trump gets elected, and I just think Bernie is hurting the effort to win the general. The kids will vote for Hillary because they have a brain. I am also sick of the blackmailing...he lost. That is it. I loved Howard Dean in 04 and felt awful when he did not win. So I know it hurts.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #109)

Thu May 12, 2016, 10:59 PM

117. Fake. Bernie. Supporter.

 

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:34 PM

47. K&R

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:54 PM

54. Really....tell her Bernie!

 

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:22 PM

59. Go Bernie! You tell them!!

He has had the majority of the Dem establishment, Hillary and her supporters, the MSM, and slime balls like David Brock on his ass since day 1. Oh - and lack of name recognition with much of the American electorate as well as the SuperDs mostly being pre pledged to Hillary before a single vote was cast. She could NOT have done what he has done. Not in a million years!

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Response to dana_b (Reply #59)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:42 AM

84. Don't forget the election/voting shenanegans.

 

Last edited Thu May 12, 2016, 02:16 PM - Edit history (1)

I'll edit this into this post. Someone posted an OP about those vote totals and their propaganda
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1948469

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #84)

Thu May 12, 2016, 10:58 AM

96. oh yes... them too

she could not have won without them

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Response to dana_b (Reply #96)

Thu May 12, 2016, 02:15 PM

98. Someone posted some info abou this and those vote totals

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #98)

Thu May 12, 2016, 02:35 PM

99. Yes, I cross posted that in the BS group

in GDP there are people saying that hundreds of thousands of votes that Bernie obtained in the caucuses (which are not counted in the pop vote totals) don't matter. Of course not. Only votes that go to Queen Hillary matter.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 03:23 PM

60. Maybe Sanders wouldn't have had to battle with all those elected Democrats in those 19 states

if he had been a Democrat to begin with, and not become one out of self interest when he decided to run for president.

He's entitled to stay in the race until the last state has voted, but he's misguided if he really thinks that the super delegates are going to hand him the nomination when he lags in pledged delegates and is not even close in the popular vote.

Oh, and his response to Andrea Mitchell was rude.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 05:18 PM

61. Mrs. Greenspan deserved that! n/t

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:03 PM

62. He can't handle being challenged!

He loses it and literally shouts over anyone who dares to question his version of reality. It's either a bullying technique or he's just super defensive and thin skinned, like Trump.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #62)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:43 AM

87. You gotta go. . . . into ignore. . . this is a complete distortion of reality.

 

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 10:04 PM

64. I agree as well.

Thanks for the thread, Joob.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:10 PM

65. What a jerk! nt

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #65)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:16 AM

69. I might have to agree

I'd have to hear the audio maybe.

Edit:I listened. It wasn't that bad, and she shouldn't be questioning his candidacy if she's impartial :p

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 11:43 PM

68. "we have had to take on the entire Democratic establishment."



Way to go, Bernie! Keep fighting all those damn... DEMOCRATS.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #68)

Thu May 12, 2016, 01:52 AM

71. In a primary, of course. What else would one do? Your post really doesn't make sense. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #71)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:44 AM

88. What do you expect from them?

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #71)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:47 PM

103. It doesn't surprise me that you and the Shrinking Bernie Support Crew don't see the hysterical irony

and insanity of someone running to lead the DEMOCRATIC PARTY saying how often and how hard he's had to fight DEMOCRATS.

That, better than anything in the world, explains why he is losing this primary so incredibly badly and why Sanders' support among the true Democratic base has been abysmal from Day 1.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #103)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:52 PM

105. It isn't irony. We FDR/Union Labor Democrats are deliberately

 

trying to take our party back. It isn't irony at all. I know who the traditional Democratic base is, because I am one, and have been for 50+ years.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #105)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:59 PM

112. The "traditional" Democratic base is the one that's giving Hillary Clinton the nomination

And if you consider minorities and women the groups you "need to take the Democratic party back from" then that too explains why Sanders is getting his behind handed to him.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #112)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:01 PM

113. No, it isn't. That's the DLC you are referring to. Third way.

 

But, you knew that.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #113)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:03 PM

114. You can plug your hands in your ears and scream at reality as much as you'd like. No one gives the

first damn.

And if you want to deny that it is black and Hispanic voters, gay voters and women that are giving Hillary the vote and that Sanders' appeal appears to be primarily limited to white men, no cares about that either.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #114)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:50 AM

119. Okay, he has the youth IN ALL OF THOSE categories. The Future. So....?

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Response to Joob (Reply #119)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:29 PM

120. Sanders has not won a single constituency in the black community and that includes youth

If you're going to chime into a conversation all late and shit, you could at least know what you're talking about.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #68)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:33 AM

95. It's not easy fighting to save a party that doesn't want to save itself

WTF is right. Democratic establishment has openly opposed Bernie. It will be their own demise if he loses.

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Response to Joob (Reply #95)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:49 PM

104. The Democratic BASE has been incredibly opposed to Bernie Sanders. See his support among minorities

women and gay voters.

If the party doesn't want to "save itself" according to your logic, it may have less to do with saving itself as it does with the caliber of the person chosen by outsiders to do the "saving".

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:35 AM

73. Andrea Mitchell doesn't even try to hide her bias.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #73)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:39 AM

74. No shit, I watched her show yesterday when she interviewed Bernie and caught

 

myself from throwing a shoe at the TV.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 06:55 AM

75. Disgusted by choice of word moan.

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Response to Justice (Reply #75)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:29 AM

79. Oh, for pity sake. Nothing was wrong with the word.

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Response to Justice (Reply #75)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:45 AM

90. What a bunch of NONSENSE.

 

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Response to cyberpj (Reply #97)

Thu May 12, 2016, 02:46 PM

101. Moaning about "moan." Jeebus.

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Response to Joob (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:20 AM

94. Kicked and recommended!

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