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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:58 AM May 2016

SANDERS LEADS CLINTON OVER 2-TO-1 IN CALIFORNIA

SANDERS LEADS CLINTON OVER 2-TO-1 IN CALIFORNIA

Posted on May 8, 2016 by thepoliticalanalyzer

The following meticulous study considers the surprising number of New Voters who have registered to the Democratic Party and who have chosen to remain Unaffiliated.

In the opinion of the Secretariat of State and of some recently published studies, there was an increase of 185% of the members from January 2016, and to make matters worse, they are almost always Hispanics (in some counties the Hispanic Youth represents 98 % of New Voters). [1 ]

To carry out the analysis I considered Californians Census Data 2010, the Californian Secretary of State Data, to study the Past Elections and the Last Primaries I took as reference points The Green Papers and Dave Leip, to study the vote by ethnicity I studied multiple studies simultaneously to extrapolate exacts data: Gallup, UC Davis, Public Policy Polling, Pew Research. [2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

After collecting the material I have assigned the value of the parameters for each ethnic group and age group, matching the results. Finally I assigned the turnout for ethnicity, age, county and Party Affiliation.

more: https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/05/08/sanders-leads-clinton-over-2-to-1-in-california/

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SANDERS LEADS CLINTON OVER 2-TO-1 IN CALIFORNIA (Original Post) silvershadow May 2016 OP
Really? I somehow had thought (and who knows where I'd gotten SheilaT May 2016 #1
LOL Cali_Democrat May 2016 #2
"Cackle" mindwalker_i May 2016 #68
Sexism. JaneyVee May 2016 #172
The "Go To" argument to defend Hillary strikes again mindwalker_i May 2016 #173
I want a crushing victory for Bernie in California. grasswire May 2016 #3
Would be fun. Not so sure that kind of thing is coming, but ? Who knows? nt silvershadow May 2016 #6
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #171
Recent polls give a different picture. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #4
I know. Polls are all over the place. Here's a graphic about some anomalies in polling: silvershadow May 2016 #12
+1,000,001 dchill May 2016 #27
Thank you. nt silvershadow May 2016 #113
Those are exit polls not regular polls. There's a big difference...... kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #135
Oh really? Do expound... nt silvershadow May 2016 #136
Google it....... That is a "politics 101" question. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #143
....... 20score May 2016 #153
Isn't "thepoliticalanalzer" "someone I don't know on the internet" muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #159
I didn't write a single word of the OP. I just shared it so we can silvershadow May 2016 #161
Ah, so you're saying we should ignore all of the OP, because it's written muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #163
No, I didn't say that either. You did though. nt silvershadow May 2016 #164
"those" people on the internet weren't so dumb afternall. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #203
Exit polls are not designed to validate or invalidate an election result CreekDog May 2016 #196
The exit polls are a big fat red flag for Dems this election season. JimDandy May 2016 #139
Polls gave Clinton the lead in Oregon. Maedhros May 2016 #178
Your premise is false, in California Hillary won the mail in ballots by a large margin CreekDog Nov 2016 #207
This message was self-deleted by its author jcgoldie May 2016 #169
Exit Polls... RazBerryBeret May 2016 #176
Exit polls can only be used to validate elections if they are designed that way CreekDog May 2016 #197
Do you really not know the difference between exit polls and pre-election polls? Recursion May 2016 #195
clearly not. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #204
Do polls typically include people who have just registered this year? thesquanderer May 2016 #57
I don't know the answer to that, but I don't see any reason why they would be excluded. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #63
Because they're not likely to vote Yavin4 May 2016 #67
Seriously??? Live and Learn May 2016 #156
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #79
Why, however, do you think they just registered? JackRiddler May 2016 #98
Because Bernie's campaign is making a concerted effort to register new voters? (n/t) thesquanderer May 2016 #100
I figure that too. JackRiddler May 2016 #102
Most campaigns make a concerted effort to register new voters for big elections. Live and Learn May 2016 #157
"In the opinion of the Secretariat of State" ucrdem May 2016 #5
It's a Sham, I tell you... Chitown Kev May 2016 #7
When they say "The media wants a horse race" I had no idea Codeine May 2016 #42
speaking of cray-cray, projecting much? pdsimdars May 2016 #71
Perfect image for 90% of Hill Bro posts. senz May 2016 #90
Just trying to inject a humor. Enthusiast May 2016 #116
I love how ANY TIME someone refutes the unadulterated BS here about Sanders Number23 May 2016 #126
LOL, yep. I guess they're still hoping for a horserace ucrdem May 2016 #133
Think it's time to head back to the sanity forum (the Hillary forum). I work all day with psych kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #138
Sanest suggestion yet ucrdem May 2016 #148
From internet polls to imaginary polls. okasha May 2016 #149
And the name of the "publication" annavictorious May 2016 #145
I guess the copy editors had to go too. ucrdem May 2016 #147
You should send more money. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #8
It sure takes a lot. That's why he is fighting to change the way we do politics. silvershadow May 2016 #9
Thanks! I'm about to do just that. merrily May 2016 #34
Guess you don't have to, since your candidate has Wall Street. Merryland May 2016 #53
And Bush Donors. Kittycat May 2016 #77
Yep, rolling in Wall St. and Bush $$ -- she's a "Democrat," you know. senz May 2016 #93
The left coast will deliver for Bernie. AtomicKitten May 2016 #10
california does not have a secretariat of state lol nt msongs May 2016 #11
But Bernie's rallies in Seattle slew. nt Codeine May 2016 #43
This horse race is heating up. lagomorph777 May 2016 #50
. SusanCalvin May 2016 #142
Funny. TexasTowelie May 2016 #13
I know. Polls are all over the place. Here's a graphic about some anomalies in polling: silvershadow May 2016 #15
I guess if they include this overestimate by politicalanalyzer then TexasTowelie May 2016 #17
No this was pointing out the disenfranchisement this primary silvershadow May 2016 #19
+1 merrily May 2016 #35
thank you. nt silvershadow May 2016 #114
I think more WAG than SWAG. Looks something like the "analysis" I did in 1988 yellowcanine May 2016 #48
That piece is just sad BainsBane May 2016 #14
"his followers have decided the only thing that matters is his career" - So wrong elias7 May 2016 #20
Some hardcore projection nonsense SpareribSP May 2016 #140
She needs less than half of those california delegates to win the nomination.. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #16
If the super delegates that have committed so far had done so proportionately based on delegates won CentralMass May 2016 #40
The huge surge in CA voter registrations makes this a plausible forecast. Peace Patriot May 2016 #18
WOW! yourpaljoey May 2016 #29
Sent my $27 last night in honor of West By God Virginia! Merryland May 2016 #54
I wonder how many Republican votes Demsrule86 May 2016 #30
Those new Registrations ain't for the Former First Lady... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #51
The problem is that even winning CA by 2 to 1 is probably not enough for Bernie. thesquanderer May 2016 #60
A 2:1 victory for Bernie in California has value beyond the Primary election. Maedhros May 2016 #179
This supports what my California nephew has been telling me... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #21
thepoliticalanalyzer. LOL... SidDithers May 2016 #22
I did, and without the fraud, he was close in NY on his polling. ViseGrip May 2016 #46
How do you come up with your "12 point deviation" onenote May 2016 #109
There needs to be a special forum for BS... Sancho May 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #26
Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #41
It is the unskewedpolls.com of 2016. Ace Rothstein May 2016 #62
At least I'll know where to go next time I need a "memetica expert" or "frames guru" (nt) TacoD May 2016 #97
The Political Analyzer speaks truth to power TacoD May 2016 #101
Ah shit. The Political Analyzer is a pollster AND a rapper too??!!!? Number23 May 2016 #125
Love the "About Us" section. NCTraveler May 2016 #24
Wait ... he's NOT a body language expert too??????? JoePhilly May 2016 #28
I wanna be a Memetica Expert when I grow up! wildeyed May 2016 #118
Mr. Spock. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #122
Anything on there about hot body massages and tantric yoga? Number23 May 2016 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #25
Didn't he win the triple crown back in the day? brush May 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #105
Good one. I didn't expect that. brush May 2016 #124
Is this satire? workinclasszero May 2016 #31
Hard to believe it, but no. And even harder to believe COLGATE4 May 2016 #33
HA Goodman's alter ego? wildeyed May 2016 #119
"The following meticulous study....." And then the very next sentence is: George II May 2016 #32
Secretariat of State workinclasszero May 2016 #52
Remember, the media has been pushing the "horse race" for months. George II May 2016 #65
Certainly is plausible: Freddie Stubbs May 2016 #86
LOLOLOL! rusty fender May 2016 #92
Bojack Horseman 2020! Codeine May 2016 #120
!!! Bobbie Jo May 2016 #123
HahahaHA!!!! Sparkly May 2016 #137
Lol nt Quayblue May 2016 #110
Gonna be some sad-assed folks here come June 7th. Starry Messenger May 2016 #36
At least we have hope and enthusiasm on our side, unlike Hillary. pdsimdars May 2016 #72
If only they would vote. brush May 2016 #83
Guess you didn't read the OP about how they rigged the vote totals. pdsimdars May 2016 #111
I'll be filling in my mail-in ballot for Hillary with great joy this weekend. Starry Messenger May 2016 #155
Bookmarked. See you in June. Agschmid May 2016 #37
Most likely not in the envelope vote though. -nt- NorthCarolina May 2016 #38
with three weeks to go reddread May 2016 #39
More "analysis" from the politicalanalyzer... SidDithers May 2016 #44
Wow this guy is like HA Goodman workinclasszero May 2016 #49
Evidence that Hillary cheated nt firebrand80 May 2016 #55
Yeah... it's incredible the bullshit people will swallow. Outcome-based thinking. NT Adrahil May 2016 #69
Go Bernie!!!!!! Sent more money again, and hubby sent one too! ViseGrip May 2016 #45
Beautiful news! Ignore the Clinton Trolls--full speed ahead, Compadres! NewImproved Deal May 2016 #47
Love the pic! BillZBubb May 2016 #56
Political Analyzer, the HA Goodman of statistical analysis Tarc May 2016 #58
Though, a lot less bitter TwilightZone May 2016 #91
About the author and website WhiteTara May 2016 #59
I have no words. Codeine May 2016 #61
Uff da! Oh, well. MineralMan May 2016 #89
'My name is Garvit Zalani and I am 14 years in age " obamanut2012 May 2016 #106
That's pretty much what I thought. n t WhiteTara May 2016 #112
That is.... pitiful. wildeyed May 2016 #121
I have to give him props. 14 years old and he fooled 65 gullible people probably 6 times his age Number23 May 2016 #128
Those do seem to be 2 separate people muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #160
Really? garvitzalani May 2016 #185
Is this your blog? WhiteTara May 2016 #187
The HRC supporters don't get it or too many of them are deflecting. JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #64
Someone mentioned the Camp Weathvane Ostrich Army. pdsimdars May 2016 #75
indeed, too many of them don't come for air. JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #152
"Bernie Sanders clearly is voicing the views of millions of Americans, and more specifically... workinclasszero May 2016 #85
Gee, so you're thinking that the other 9 million+ so far who voted for Sanders don't count for much. JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #150
"My name is Garvit Zalani and I am 14 years in age " obamanut2012 May 2016 #107
Lol...an opinion stated as fact..Coming from a sanders supporter..what a beachbumbob May 2016 #66
Yeah, good thing Hillary supporters never do that. Redwoods Red May 2016 #115
If that is the real level of support, it is hard to have enough "voting irregularities" to steal pdsimdars May 2016 #70
So that explains today's Brocksplaining: "Sanders needs to drop out because of reasons and stuff" Betty Karlson May 2016 #73
This isn't even a poll, it's a bunch of hypothetical calculating KingFlorez May 2016 #74
Reality isn't a strong suite for Bernie-ites tonyt53 May 2016 #76
"My name is Garvit Zalani and I am 14 years in age" obamanut2012 May 2016 #108
I, a Hillary supporter, bet a dollar two months ago on Bernie to win California The Second Stone May 2016 #78
I feel bad shutting down a 14 year old kid, but his analysis of anything but Godhumor May 2016 #80
We want to deliver some great news for Bernie here in Cali dana_b May 2016 #81
Ha ha ISUGRADIA May 2016 #84
So he was wrong about other states in addition to the unabashed foolishness of this article? Number23 May 2016 #131
This and other polls stating 2:1 margins Chezboo May 2016 #87
Random anonymous blogger with English as second language says... MineralMan May 2016 #88
Good Ferd Berfel May 2016 #94
SANDERS IS GOING TO WIN NEW YORK WITH 58% (3/29/16) TacoD May 2016 #95
If you carefully parse all the available data, one very subtle point comes out: Maedhros May 2016 #180
Hmm, mabye that's why Bernie's CA campaign manager quit. apnu May 2016 #96
lol, this kook again? ContinentalOp May 2016 #99
Apparently the Dick Morris school of political prognosticating has a new graduate onenote May 2016 #103
"Secretariat of State" Sheepshank May 2016 #104
I miss Asher Heimermann...nt SidDithers May 2016 #117
I am WHEEZING from laughing so hard at this damn thread. I nominate this Thread of the 2016 Primary Number23 May 2016 #130
I LOVE this thread! Bobbie Jo May 2016 #168
It's the best thing to hit this forum since the overheated and moronic rapture over the Bernie Bird Number23 May 2016 #174
+1000 Kang Colby May 2016 #188
And I truly believe that this half assed "commentary" is the reason so many BS supporters think he Number23 May 2016 #189
Yup. He might win California...but it will be by under 10%, and it will be a moot point because... Kang Colby May 2016 #190
I'm sure a jack-of-all-trades Italian is an expert on American politics. LiberalFighter May 2016 #129
Go Bernie Sanders Go !!! CountAllVotes May 2016 #132
Let's see, if that holds, Bernie gets a bunch, then HRC gets enough to have the nomination tonyt53 May 2016 #134
Political "analyzer" annavictorious May 2016 #144
Wait...people are taking this seriously? TwilightZone May 2016 #146
They don't even realize how badly they've embarrassed themselves. nt Codeine May 2016 #165
My favorite thread of 2016. Bar none. Number23 May 2016 #175
And people are still taking it seriously and don't know it's a fake. That's the best part. TwilightZone May 2016 #184
Well, I'm not taking YOU seriously... Maedhros May 2016 #181
Oh, thank god. I was starting to worry. TwilightZone May 2016 #183
C'mon California. I know you can do it. Put Bernie over the top. highprincipleswork May 2016 #151
How embarrassing for you that you posted this redstateblues May 2016 #154
Wow what an amusing blog, too bad it's pretty much just BS. synergie May 2016 #158
Every child needs a hobby. Nonhlanhla May 2016 #162
Perhaps this will help him get into Western Illinois University Freddie Stubbs May 2016 #167
Nice try. Even if Sanders wins California he won't be the nominee. book_worm May 2016 #166
But it will be an influential win nonetheless. Maedhros May 2016 #182
Theres a future for this kid jcgoldie May 2016 #170
Funny thing...even if this were true, he still wouldn't get enough delegates to win. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #177
Thanks for the laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! johnp3907 May 2016 #186
The rec list is the best part of this post. okasha May 2016 #191
How does one make sure that they don't get purged? Time for change May 2016 #192
Not sure this late...tomorrow is the last day to check/switch your registration though... silvershadow May 2016 #193
It's fucking hilarious that Berners tout this 14 year old Italian kid... SidDithers May 2016 #194
Kicked. MaeScott May 2016 #198
There's comic gold in this thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #199
thanks. Let's read through the incredible analysis shall we. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #201
Bump woolldog Jun 2016 #200
... UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #202
Yup, Those Sanders Kids Sure Showed Us Hillary Voters What's What Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #205
Bernie was never... LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #206
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Really? I somehow had thought (and who knows where I'd gotten
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:03 AM
May 2016

this impression) that she was well ahead.

Oh, do I hope this is accurate.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
173. The "Go To" argument to defend Hillary strikes again
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

Hillary started the BernieBro meme, so she has USED sexism. You lose the right to be taken seriously on this.

171. Go Bernie
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016


Signs of Panic?? California voter registration experiencing Historic Growth.
"Demographically, they largely fit the profile of Bernie Sanders supporters," Vasquez said. "How many will vote down ticket, and what are the campaigns doing to appeal to these new voters? We’ll find out on election night.”

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/may/09/report-new-voters-may-influence-san-diego-races/

Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #141)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
159. Isn't "thepoliticalanalzer" "someone I don't know on the internet"
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:32 AM
May 2016

who tossed out a vague idea, and you then wrote an enthusiastic OP using it?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
161. I didn't write a single word of the OP. I just shared it so we can
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:39 AM
May 2016

all see what is out there. But, you knew that.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
163. Ah, so you're saying we should ignore all of the OP, because it's written
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

by someone we don't know on the Internet. Your OP is, by your own standards, useless.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
196. Exit polls are not designed to validate or invalidate an election result
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:31 AM
May 2016

or they would have sampling design that allows the exit polls to do that.

however, exit polls instead, take the election result as a given and are only designed to tell you how subgroups within the voting population voted.

an exit poll that is designed to validate or invalidate election results could be done, but that would require a truly random sample of the whole population that voted (in person, early, by mail, etc.) distributed across the state in the same proportions as turnout.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
139. The exit polls are a big fat red flag for Dems this election season.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

Until electronic voting machines began to be used in elections, exit polls were pretty accurate and touted by the media. They often could call the winner off exit polls immediately after the polls closed. No more.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
178. Polls gave Clinton the lead in Oregon.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:28 PM
May 2016

But Oregon uses mail-in ballots, not voting machines, and we saw how it turned out...

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
207. Your premise is false, in California Hillary won the mail in ballots by a large margin
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:16 AM
Nov 2016

and Bernie won the in-person by a small one.

so much for your theory, but I imagine it sounds good to you since it's a lot simpler than a hypothesis borne out by facts.

Response to silvershadow (Reply #12)

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
176. Exit Polls...
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

aren't those the standard that we, Americans use to make sure elections in other, smaller countries are legitimate?? Kinda makes you wonder.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
197. Exit polls can only be used to validate elections if they are designed that way
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:33 AM
May 2016

Our exit polls aren't. Our exit polls are designed to see how subgroups helped produce the overall election result.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
195. Do you really not know the difference between exit polls and pre-election polls?
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:29 AM
May 2016

Wow

They're not even closely related things in any real sense; they just share the name "poll" because they involve asking people questions.

thesquanderer

(11,971 posts)
57. Do polls typically include people who have just registered this year?
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:37 AM
May 2016

Those are the ones pushing the OP's analysis in the Bernie direction.

Arkansas Granny

(31,506 posts)
63. I don't know the answer to that, but I don't see any reason why they would be excluded.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

The link I posted is from Real Clear Politics. They average the results from several polls rather than rely on just one source.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
157. Most campaigns make a concerted effort to register new voters for big elections.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:40 AM
May 2016

The fact that the Hillary campaign hasn't speaks volumes.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. "In the opinion of the Secretariat of State"
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:17 AM
May 2016

straight from the horse's mouth you might say


p.s. the cray-cray is thick here ...

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
42. When they say "The media wants a horse race" I had no idea
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:42 AM
May 2016

they meant it quite that literally.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
126. I love how ANY TIME someone refutes the unadulterated BS here about Sanders
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

some Sanders supporter comes flying out of nowhere to whine about being "condescended" to or that people are "mocking" them.

It's like, "how dare you correct our half-baked, delusional misinformation!!11 YOU'RE BEING SO MEAN!!!1one"

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
133. LOL, yep. I guess they're still hoping for a horserace
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

but it's pretty much ovah. I vote on June 7 and I'd like to think I'll cast the vote that puts her over the top. My first Hillary vote too LOL

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
138. Think it's time to head back to the sanity forum (the Hillary forum). I work all day with psych
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:59 PM
May 2016

Patients. Don't need too much more crazy in my life, especially on my time off.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
9. It sure takes a lot. That's why he is fighting to change the way we do politics.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:57 AM
May 2016

He is fighting as hard as he can for campaign finance reform.

TexasTowelie

(111,920 posts)
13. Funny.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:22 AM
May 2016
To carry out the analysis I considered Californians Census Data 2010, the Californian Secretary of State Data, to study the Past Elections and the Last Primaries I took as reference points The Green Papers and Dave Leip, to study the vote by ethnicity I studied multiple studies simultaneously to extrapolate exacts data: Gallup, UC Davis, Public Policy Polling, Pew Research.


When I was in college we called that a scientific wild-assed guess (SWAG). It's especially interesting since the totals between Clinton and Sanders came to 100.00% considering that Rocky De La Fuente is still in the race and he is from San Diego.

TexasTowelie

(111,920 posts)
17. I guess if they include this overestimate by politicalanalyzer then
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:37 AM
May 2016

everything should even out the polls that favor Clinton.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
48. I think more WAG than SWAG. Looks something like the "analysis" I did in 1988
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:12 AM
May 2016

which showed Dukakis beating G.H.W. Bush by a comfortable margin in EVs.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
14. That piece is just sad
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:22 AM
May 2016

What desperation. But even if the delusional author is right and people of color will change their voting patterns from previously elections and vote for Bernie instead of Clinton, it won't be enough for him to catch up in the delegate count or popular vote. It has been clear since March he would not win and now that 78% of votes have been cast and he trails by over 3 million, it's even more obvious.
Clinton won California in 2008. It didn't deliver her the nomination, and she never trailed by the large deficit that Bernie does.

It's truly unfortunate that his followers have decided the only thing that matters is his career. They could be working on issues, policy that might make a difference in people's lives.

elias7

(3,991 posts)
20. "his followers have decided the only thing that matters is his career" - So wrong
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:27 AM
May 2016

I don't know why someone like you would push the Bernie ego meme that has become popular amongst the DU HRC supporters, i can't imagine you believe that to be true. It is not about Bernie, it is about the country and the planet. It's about us.

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
140. Some hardcore projection nonsense
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:07 PM
May 2016

Guess which campaign is literally using "I'm with her"?

Accuse your opponent of your weakness is disinformation tactic #1. It's some real ugly stuff.

This one is completely transparent, too. I can't imagine any Bernie supporter buying into it because it's so profoundly stupid. It only instead enforces the Hillary echo chamber and makes Bernie people more frustrated.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
40. If the super delegates that have committed so far had done so proportionately based on delegates won
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

Here is how the vote count would look.


Of the 3,149 delegates that have been awarded so far from the contested states. Bernie has 1,433 or 45.5% of the 3,149, and Hillary has 1,716 of the pledged delegates or 54.5% of the 3,149.

Yet the reported super delegate count is Hillary 524 to Bernie'Sanders 40. So Bernie's 40 out of 564 superd's that have committed is 7% of the 564 while Hillary's 524 is 92.9% of the 564 superd's that have committed.

So if right now the super delegates that have committed to date had done so proportionately by the standard delegate count that each candidate has won the tally would be

Hillary 1,716 + 307 = 2,023
Bernie 1,433 + 257 = 1,690

This would be only a 333 delegate difference at this point in the race with some key states to go and since the superd's don't really commit until the convention.there is only a 283 awarded delegate count delta between the two candidates right now.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
18. The huge surge in CA voter registrations makes this a plausible forecast.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:40 AM
May 2016

Also, the demographics of the surge points strongly at Sanders as the inspiration. CA has had a whopping 161% increase in voter reg in age 25-30, and a 70% increase in age 18-24. And CA registration is on-going to May 23. Below, it says 850,000 new reg's (4/21/6). It will get larger.

Here's Capitol Weekly report on the dramatic CA registration surge (4/21/16):

Overall, registration has skyrocketed in the first months of 2016. There have been over 850,000 registrations in the months between January 1 and March 31. This is twice as much as was registered during the same period in 2012. It even exceeds the total new registrations in the months leading up to the 2008 Primary, albeit that was a February primary, so much of the registration window was dominated by the Fall and Winter holidays.

This skyrocketing registration can be broken out by partisanship, ethnicity and age, and shows some striking differences by group. In a traditional election year, a 65% growth from the same period of last year would be remarkable. But this year we are seeing a doubling of registration growth among Latinos, and a more than 150% increase for some young voters, and a near-tripling for Democrats.

http://capitolweekly.net/ca120-voter-surge-now-california/


I read the OP article carefully several times, and its methodology made sense. For instance, for the No Party Preference vote, the analyst assigned 70% of it to Sanders but with only a 50% turnout. That seems about right. The analysis takes many things into consideration, including past elections and recent primary elections. It gets the African American percentage (55%) for Sanders from the recent Wisconsin primary, and the Asian-American percentage (57.5%) for Sanders from Gallup.

The final result: Sanders 68.17%, 31.83% Clinton.





Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
30. I wonder how many Republican votes
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016

Sanders will win this time. They want him as the nominee. He won quite a few in WVA...enough to tip the election to him.

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
51. Those new Registrations ain't for the Former First Lady...
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

A vote for Clinton is a vote for Neo-Liberalism, Death Squads and Perpetual War...

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thesquanderer

(11,971 posts)
60. The problem is that even winning CA by 2 to 1 is probably not enough for Bernie.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

He probably needs to win it closer to 3 to 1 for it to have a chance of swinging the nomination. He needs to win by more than 2 to 1 overall from here on out, and that's not going to happen in Kentucky, New Jersey, New Mexico, or DC, so he'll need even bigger wins elsewhere, and we're running out of states that have large numbers of delegates (that is, big wins in the Dakotas are not going to be able to make up the difference). For example, here's one possible path I came up with for him... see http://demrace.com/?share=GH4zWRsT - That scenario is unlikely in the extreme, but I have a hard time seeing a better one.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
179. A 2:1 victory for Bernie in California has value beyond the Primary election.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

It carries into the convention, and into the mid-term elections in 2018.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
21. This supports what my California nephew has been telling me...
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:30 AM
May 2016

... that Bernie Sanders will absolutely crush it.... That's doesn't absolve me from continuing to phone bank.

Join me, everyone! PM for details!!!

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
46. I did, and without the fraud, he was close in NY on his polling.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

12 point deviation. Do you study elections and electoral math AFTER THE VOTE? Or just before, and only 'delegate math'?

Why, there is so much more to see after the vote. But most voters don't pay attention to the processes afterwards.

onenote

(42,560 posts)
109. How do you come up with your "12 point deviation"
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

First, the idea that being 12 points off is the same as being "close" is laughable.
Second, he wasn't 12 points off, he was 24 points off. He called it for Sanders by 8 and Clinton won by 16.
Third, while it is true that well over 100,000 voters were deleted from the Democratic party voter rolls, there is no evidence that (1) all of those voters actually tried to vote; (2) that all, or even most, of those voters would have voted for Sanders.

Yet even making those unsupported and unsupportable assumptions -- that is, assuming every voter deleted from the rolls tried to vote for Bernie but couldn't -- you still end up with Clinton winning by over 8 points and this "close" call being 16 points off the mark. Which isn't even close in horseshoes.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
23. There needs to be a special forum for BS...
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:47 AM
May 2016

sort of the FOX news of DU.

Automatically locate OPs from people who average almost 50 posts a day with virtually nothing but false premises and spin and fake stories. Well, we won't have to put up with the fake stories (and this is just another one) too much longer. The Political Analyzer is nothing but a Sanders propaganda site with no real credibility. It's basically a paid advertisement!!

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Regardless of the "meticulous" and convoluted "methodology" of this study, we can all conclude that bananas cause death because everyone who ate a banana eventually died.

It really doesn't matter what "new voters" in California think, or how many will really vote, or what ethnicity they are...unless the big earthquake occurs and California falls into the ocean - Hillary has won and Bernie has lost.

There are too many primaries and too many delegates already on the books. This OP is a paid ad...and silvershadow likely knows it, but we can't say for sure. It's OK for someone to waste time and money on bash OPs because most people on DU already know it won't change anyone's mind, and it's better for money to be wasted here than other places.

Response to Sancho (Reply #23)

TacoD

(581 posts)
101. The Political Analyzer speaks truth to power
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

"And Bernie is actually ahead in the polls, whatever the polls say it, but this way he gives a chance for Clinton, revives her and revives her electorate that in these days it’s very demoralized and inclined to boycott the polls or to vote for Sanders."

https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/05/sanders-was-wrong-to-accept-the-debate/

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. Love the "About Us" section.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

Italian Psychologist and Political Scientist. Social Media Expert, Trends and Sentiment Analyzer, Memetica Expert, Frames Guru, Storyteller, Marketing and Communication, Musician, Rapper, Writer, Ghostwriter, and many more.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
127. Anything on there about hot body massages and tantric yoga?
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Every reputable analyzer worth his salt has those skills too, you know.

Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Response to brush (Reply #82)

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
33. Hard to believe it, but no. And even harder to believe
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

that DUers would be so gullible as to 1) believe it and 2) post it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. "The following meticulous study....." And then the very next sentence is:
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:33 AM
May 2016

"In the opinion of the Secretariat of State and of some recently published studies..."

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
111. Guess you didn't read the OP about how they rigged the vote totals.
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

When Bernie won Washington by 72% they gave him ZERO votes. That is one example. Here is the post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1948469

If you don't put the votes in the vote totals, it can look one sided.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
44. More "analysis" from the politicalanalyzer...
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

POLL: SANDERS LEADS CLINTON BY 8% IN NEW YORK

THAT’S WHY SANDERS LEADING WITH 58% IN NEW YORK

SANDERS IS GOING TO WIN NEW YORK WITH 58%

SANDERS WILL REACH 2470 DELEGATES. THAT’S WHY

BERNIE HAS 10-POINT LEAD IN ILLINOIS AND MISSOURI

BERNIE SANDERS IS OVERTAKING HILLARY CLINTON IN FLORIDA




Sid

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
49. Wow this guy is like HA Goodman
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:14 AM
May 2016

The opposite of everything he predicts is the truth!

Another prophet in reverse for Bernie!

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
59. About the author and website
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

A little about myself. My name is Garvit Zalani and I am 14 years in age but a political analyst. A proficient MUNner, trained in diplomacy, I have learned to form my perspective based on the current outlook of the world and India. A Hollywood fan and music addict among other things I am also a foodie and love cycling. I am a devout atheist hence religion does not influence my writing.
https://politicsanalyzer.wordpress.com/about/

Here is the info on the website itself.
http://thepoliticalanalyzer.com.ipaddress.com/

So a 14 year old from Italy is the new predictor of US presidential elections. Interesting.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
128. I have to give him props. 14 years old and he fooled 65 gullible people probably 6 times his age
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

That takes some serious talent. Probably.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
160. Those do seem to be 2 separate people
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:55 AM
May 2016

"politicsanalyzer" is the 14 year old Indian - Garvit Zalani

https://twitter.com/garvit013

"thepoliticalalanyzer" is Luigi De Michele (the contact name in your 2nd link), who is this Italian:

https://twitter.com/GigiFionder

https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigi-de-michele-590bb879

"Luigi De Michele
Activist presso Bernie Sanders
Bari Area, Italy
Marketing and Advertising
Current
The Political Analyzer, Bernie Sanders Admin and Organizer, Bernie Sanders (Memetic Bern)"

garvitzalani

(1 post)
185. Really?
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

Somehow, an unknown person, who doesn't even know me is commenting on the stuff I write. That seems a bit hypocritic right?
And I would plead you to get your facts right. I am an Indian, not an Italian and certainly I haven't written any stuff on the upcoming US Presidential Elections. So rather than making stupid accusations and labelling perhaps it would be better to know the person first.

JumpinJehosaphat

(22 posts)
64. The HRC supporters don't get it or too many of them are deflecting.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders clearly is voicing the views of millions of Americans, and more specifically democratic voters, concerning a progressive agenda for the country. He may not win the nomination because of the enormous support of the democratic establishment for HRC, the backing she has received from wealthy and powerful financial interests BUT he needs to be in it until the end and keep fighting. It has been a phenomenal campaign that Sanders and his staff have put together. The more delegates he receives, even if he falls short, allows for greater leverage to move this slow moving Democratic Party ship in the right direction.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
85. "Bernie Sanders clearly is voicing the views of millions of Americans, and more specifically...
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016
democratic voters..."

Gee I wonder why Hillary has 3 million more democratic votes than Bernie then???

JumpinJehosaphat

(22 posts)
150. Gee, so you're thinking that the other 9 million+ so far who voted for Sanders don't count for much.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

Let's not forget how a Senator from a small state with little national name ID (in comparison to HRC who has an enormous national footprint) has achieved in galvanizing the democratic base. It continues to amaze. Unfortunately, it shows just how weak a candidate we have in Clinton. Keep fighting for every last vote Bernie, no vote should be taken for granted!

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
70. If that is the real level of support, it is hard to have enough "voting irregularities" to steal
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

that one.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
73. So that explains today's Brocksplaining: "Sanders needs to drop out because of reasons and stuff"
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

Oh that delightful glimmering of Hope on the Horizon. Go California: feel the Bern!

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
78. I, a Hillary supporter, bet a dollar two months ago on Bernie to win California
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

because I think it may happen. (I put a buck on Trump to win the Republican nomination back in October against the rest of the field.)

Incidentally, in California, it's "Secretary" of State, not "Secretariat", which was the fastest horse ever.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
80. I feel bad shutting down a 14 year old kid, but his analysis of anything but
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

Who knows though. Maybe he'll enjoy his playing around enough that he actually decides to go and learn how to do proper analysis. We always need new blood in the industry.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
81. We want to deliver some great news for Bernie here in Cali
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

I'm volunteering from now until election day with calls, GOTV and canvassing. I hope others will join us.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
131. So he was wrong about other states in addition to the unabashed foolishness of this article?
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

Well, the lad is only 14. He'd probably learn from his mistakes if Bernie supporters stopped hanging on his every word as though they were gospel.

Chezboo

(230 posts)
87. This and other polls stating 2:1 margins
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

for Sanders are misleading and designed to make us complacent. The April Field Poll, (the standard in CA, had Hil 47, Bernie 41. It may have changed since the early April poll, but we have a lot of work to do. Go Bernie!

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
88. Random anonymous blogger with English as second language says...
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

Who cares, really? Ugly blog design, too.

I'm out.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
180. If you carefully parse all the available data, one very subtle point comes out:
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:33 PM
May 2016

New York and California are very, very different.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
99. lol, this kook again?
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

He assigns white voters to 70% of the turnout even though they're only 42% of the CA population, and were only 55% of the CA vote in 2012? And then he decides to give Sanders 55% of the black vote and 60% of the latino vote!? hahahaha sure.

Expect it to be a lot more like NY where Clinton got 75% of the black vote and 64% of the latino vote.

onenote

(42,560 posts)
103. Apparently the Dick Morris school of political prognosticating has a new graduate
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

Apparently, this is a graduate of Morris' middle-school curriculum.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
130. I am WHEEZING from laughing so hard at this damn thread. I nominate this Thread of the 2016 Primary
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

"Sanders ahead 2-1 in California!11" says 14 year old "analyst" in Italy. And the hordes, that scream that EVERYONE ELSE is a "low information voter" or part of a "cult" based on nothing but fame and personality, come running to rec.

Bookmarked. Kicked. Adored. Cherished.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
174. It's the best thing to hit this forum since the overheated and moronic rapture over the Bernie Bird
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

Number23

(24,544 posts)
189. And I truly believe that this half assed "commentary" is the reason so many BS supporters think he
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

is going to win California.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
190. Yup. He might win California...but it will be by under 10%, and it will be a moot point because...
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

She was won the race at this point.

CountAllVotes

(20,866 posts)
132. Go Bernie Sanders Go !!!
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

>>Regarding Bernie Sanders I assigned the average of 60% of White voters and an average of 70% of the turnout, as regards the Black Voters I assigned a county by county average of 55% (following the Wisconsin data) and an average turnout of 55% (pre-Obaman turnout), as regards to the Asians I assigned respectively on average 57.5% of the votes and 60% of turnout. Finally I gave Senator Vermont the percentage of Hispanic Vote and Turnout: 60% and 60%. In conclusion I assigned the rating of Unaffiliated: 75% to Sanders and 25% to Clinton, with a turnout of 50%.

**************

The above = very good news for Bernie!



 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
134. Let's see, if that holds, Bernie gets a bunch, then HRC gets enough to have the nomination
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

Bernie loses again.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
144. Political "analyzer"
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

rather than "analyst".

"secretariat of state" rather than "secretary".

Was this "study" conducted by one of Sanders's foreign donors?

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
183. Oh, thank god. I was starting to worry.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

Try reading the thread next time, genius. The OP is based on an article from a 14-year-old Italian kid who made the whole thing up.

But, hey, if you want to look like a fool, be my guest.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
158. Wow what an amusing blog, too bad it's pretty much just BS.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:21 AM
May 2016

But you cling to it, just like Karl Rove did and be speechless when your fantasies don't play out like this guy with his 'meticulous' number games don't quite match reality.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
162. Every child needs a hobby.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:01 AM
May 2016

Kudos to this kid for having one.

Shame on adults who take this as something realistic, though.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
167. Perhaps this will help him get into Western Illinois University
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

If not, there's always Trump University.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
182. But it will be an influential win nonetheless.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

Remember, we're in this for the long haul, not just the Primary election. A California victory for Bernie will do a lot to undermine and weaken the corporate wing of the Party, which will be useful going forward.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
192. How does one make sure that they don't get purged?
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:53 PM
May 2016

I've seen reports of efforts to purge Sanders voters in CA.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
193. Not sure this late...tomorrow is the last day to check/switch your registration though...
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

everyone should DO so.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
194. It's fucking hilarious that Berners tout this 14 year old Italian kid...
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

as if he's the World's best political pundit.



Sid

Vogon_Glory

(9,109 posts)
205. Yup, Those Sanders Kids Sure Showed Us Hillary Voters What's What
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jun 2016

Yup, those Bernie Sanders-backing kids sure showed us Hillary voters what's what. They shellacked us two-to-one in The Golden State, just like they did in Florida, in Georgia, in Texas, and also in New Jersey.

Oops, those were the results from that alternate universe. The results in this one took a different turn.



LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
206. Bernie was never...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

Going to win California.

I never bought into those right-winged polls with the weird methodology which said the race was as close as 1 or 2 points. I didn't think Hillary would win by 18 points either, but a comfortably high single number to perhaps 10 percentage points.

Welp....

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