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SANDERS LEADS CLINTON OVER 2-TO-1 IN CALIFORNIA
Posted on May 8, 2016 by thepoliticalanalyzer
The following meticulous study considers the surprising number of New Voters who have registered to the Democratic Party and who have chosen to remain Unaffiliated.
In the opinion of the Secretariat of State and of some recently published studies, there was an increase of 185% of the members from January 2016, and to make matters worse, they are almost always Hispanics (in some counties the Hispanic Youth represents 98 % of New Voters). [1 ]
To carry out the analysis I considered Californians Census Data 2010, the Californian Secretary of State Data, to study the Past Elections and the Last Primaries I took as reference points The Green Papers and Dave Leip, to study the vote by ethnicity I studied multiple studies simultaneously to extrapolate exacts data: Gallup, UC Davis, Public Policy Polling, Pew Research. [2][3][4][5][6][7][8]
After collecting the material I have assigned the value of the parameters for each ethnic group and age group, matching the results. Finally I assigned the turnout for ethnicity, age, county and Party Affiliation.
more: https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/05/08/sanders-leads-clinton-over-2-to-1-in-california/
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)this impression) that she was well ahead.
Oh, do I hope this is accurate.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Hillary started the BernieBro meme, so she has USED sexism. You lose the right to be taken seriously on this.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Crushing.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)liberal from boston
(856 posts)Signs of Panic?? California voter registration experiencing Historic Growth.
"Demographically, they largely fit the profile of Bernie Sanders supporters," Vasquez said. "How many will vote down ticket, and what are the campaigns doing to appeal to these new voters? Well find out on election night.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/may/09/report-new-voters-may-influence-san-diego-races/
Arkansas Granny
(31,506 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)dchill
(38,434 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #141)
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20score
(4,769 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)who tossed out a vague idea, and you then wrote an enthusiastic OP using it?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)all see what is out there. But, you knew that.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)by someone we don't know on the Internet. Your OP is, by your own standards, useless.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)or they would have sampling design that allows the exit polls to do that.
however, exit polls instead, take the election result as a given and are only designed to tell you how subgroups within the voting population voted.
an exit poll that is designed to validate or invalidate election results could be done, but that would require a truly random sample of the whole population that voted (in person, early, by mail, etc.) distributed across the state in the same proportions as turnout.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Until electronic voting machines began to be used in elections, exit polls were pretty accurate and touted by the media. They often could call the winner off exit polls immediately after the polls closed. No more.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)But Oregon uses mail-in ballots, not voting machines, and we saw how it turned out...
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and Bernie won the in-person by a small one.
so much for your theory, but I imagine it sounds good to you since it's a lot simpler than a hypothesis borne out by facts.
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RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)aren't those the standard that we, Americans use to make sure elections in other, smaller countries are legitimate?? Kinda makes you wonder.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Our exit polls aren't. Our exit polls are designed to see how subgroups helped produce the overall election result.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Wow
They're not even closely related things in any real sense; they just share the name "poll" because they involve asking people questions.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)thesquanderer
(11,971 posts)Those are the ones pushing the OP's analysis in the Bernie direction.
Arkansas Granny
(31,506 posts)The link I posted is from Real Clear Politics. They average the results from several polls rather than rely on just one source.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)They may not even know where their polling place is located.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)You think they went to all the trouble to register just for fun?
liberal from boston
(856 posts)I read that new voter registrations have surged (mostly young voters)--CA deadline is May 23rd.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That's an essential question.
thesquanderer
(11,971 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)We will see!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The fact that the Hillary campaign hasn't speaks volumes.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)straight from the horse's mouth you might say
p.s. the cray-cray is thick here ...
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)they meant it quite that literally.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts).
senz
(11,945 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)some Sanders supporter comes flying out of nowhere to whine about being "condescended" to or that people are "mocking" them.
It's like, "how dare you correct our half-baked, delusional misinformation!!11 YOU'RE BEING SO MEAN!!!1one"
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)but it's pretty much ovah. I vote on June 7 and I'd like to think I'll cast the vote that puts her over the top. My first Hillary vote too LOL
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Patients. Don't need too much more crazy in my life, especially on my time off.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)The patient is decompensating, Doctor.
annavictorious
(934 posts)is Political "Analyer" rather than "analyst".
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Sad.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)He is fighting as hard as he can for campaign finance reform.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)msongs
(67,347 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,920 posts)When I was in college we called that a scientific wild-assed guess (SWAG). It's especially interesting since the totals between Clinton and Sanders came to 100.00% considering that Rocky De La Fuente is still in the race and he is from San Diego.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,920 posts)everything should even out the polls that favor Clinton.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)has wrought.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)which showed Dukakis beating G.H.W. Bush by a comfortable margin in EVs.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)What desperation. But even if the delusional author is right and people of color will change their voting patterns from previously elections and vote for Bernie instead of Clinton, it won't be enough for him to catch up in the delegate count or popular vote. It has been clear since March he would not win and now that 78% of votes have been cast and he trails by over 3 million, it's even more obvious.
Clinton won California in 2008. It didn't deliver her the nomination, and she never trailed by the large deficit that Bernie does.
It's truly unfortunate that his followers have decided the only thing that matters is his career. They could be working on issues, policy that might make a difference in people's lives.
elias7
(3,991 posts)I don't know why someone like you would push the Bernie ego meme that has become popular amongst the DU HRC supporters, i can't imagine you believe that to be true. It is not about Bernie, it is about the country and the planet. It's about us.
SpareribSP
(325 posts)Guess which campaign is literally using "I'm with her"?
Accuse your opponent of your weakness is disinformation tactic #1. It's some real ugly stuff.
This one is completely transparent, too. I can't imagine any Bernie supporter buying into it because it's so profoundly stupid. It only instead enforces the Hillary echo chamber and makes Bernie people more frustrated.
dubyadiprecession
(5,678 posts)Sorry BS.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Here is how the vote count would look.
Of the 3,149 delegates that have been awarded so far from the contested states. Bernie has 1,433 or 45.5% of the 3,149, and Hillary has 1,716 of the pledged delegates or 54.5% of the 3,149.
Yet the reported super delegate count is Hillary 524 to Bernie'Sanders 40. So Bernie's 40 out of 564 superd's that have committed is 7% of the 564 while Hillary's 524 is 92.9% of the 564 superd's that have committed.
So if right now the super delegates that have committed to date had done so proportionately by the standard delegate count that each candidate has won the tally would be
Hillary 1,716 + 307 = 2,023
Bernie 1,433 + 257 = 1,690
This would be only a 333 delegate difference at this point in the race with some key states to go and since the superd's don't really commit until the convention.there is only a 283 awarded delegate count delta between the two candidates right now.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Also, the demographics of the surge points strongly at Sanders as the inspiration. CA has had a whopping 161% increase in voter reg in age 25-30, and a 70% increase in age 18-24. And CA registration is on-going to May 23. Below, it says 850,000 new reg's (4/21/6). It will get larger.
Here's Capitol Weekly report on the dramatic CA registration surge (4/21/16):
Overall, registration has skyrocketed in the first months of 2016. There have been over 850,000 registrations in the months between January 1 and March 31. This is twice as much as was registered during the same period in 2012. It even exceeds the total new registrations in the months leading up to the 2008 Primary, albeit that was a February primary, so much of the registration window was dominated by the Fall and Winter holidays.
This skyrocketing registration can be broken out by partisanship, ethnicity and age, and shows some striking differences by group. In a traditional election year, a 65% growth from the same period of last year would be remarkable. But this year we are seeing a doubling of registration growth among Latinos, and a more than 150% increase for some young voters, and a near-tripling for Democrats.
http://capitolweekly.net/ca120-voter-surge-now-california/
I read the OP article carefully several times, and its methodology made sense. For instance, for the No Party Preference vote, the analyst assigned 70% of it to Sanders but with only a 50% turnout. That seems about right. The analysis takes many things into consideration, including past elections and recent primary elections. It gets the African American percentage (55%) for Sanders from the recent Wisconsin primary, and the Asian-American percentage (57.5%) for Sanders from Gallup.
The final result: Sanders 68.17%, 31.83% Clinton.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Great day to send another 27.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Land of country roads and my ancestors.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Sanders will win this time. They want him as the nominee. He won quite a few in WVA...enough to tip the election to him.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)A vote for Clinton is a vote for Neo-Liberalism, Death Squads and Perpetual War...
[link:|
thesquanderer
(11,971 posts)He probably needs to win it closer to 3 to 1 for it to have a chance of swinging the nomination. He needs to win by more than 2 to 1 overall from here on out, and that's not going to happen in Kentucky, New Jersey, New Mexico, or DC, so he'll need even bigger wins elsewhere, and we're running out of states that have large numbers of delegates (that is, big wins in the Dakotas are not going to be able to make up the difference). For example, here's one possible path I came up with for him... see http://demrace.com/?share=GH4zWRsT - That scenario is unlikely in the extreme, but I have a hard time seeing a better one.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)It carries into the convention, and into the mid-term elections in 2018.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... that Bernie Sanders will absolutely crush it.... That's doesn't absolve me from continuing to phone bank.
Join me, everyone! PM for details!!!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Make sure you look back in some of his earlier "analysis".
Sid
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)12 point deviation. Do you study elections and electoral math AFTER THE VOTE? Or just before, and only 'delegate math'?
Why, there is so much more to see after the vote. But most voters don't pay attention to the processes afterwards.
onenote
(42,560 posts)First, the idea that being 12 points off is the same as being "close" is laughable.
Second, he wasn't 12 points off, he was 24 points off. He called it for Sanders by 8 and Clinton won by 16.
Third, while it is true that well over 100,000 voters were deleted from the Democratic party voter rolls, there is no evidence that (1) all of those voters actually tried to vote; (2) that all, or even most, of those voters would have voted for Sanders.
Yet even making those unsupported and unsupportable assumptions -- that is, assuming every voter deleted from the rolls tried to vote for Bernie but couldn't -- you still end up with Clinton winning by over 8 points and this "close" call being 16 points off the mark. Which isn't even close in horseshoes.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)sort of the FOX news of DU.
Automatically locate OPs from people who average almost 50 posts a day with virtually nothing but false premises and spin and fake stories. Well, we won't have to put up with the fake stories (and this is just another one) too much longer. The Political Analyzer is nothing but a Sanders propaganda site with no real credibility. It's basically a paid advertisement!!
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Regardless of the "meticulous" and convoluted "methodology" of this study, we can all conclude that bananas cause death because everyone who ate a banana eventually died.
It really doesn't matter what "new voters" in California think, or how many will really vote, or what ethnicity they are...unless the big earthquake occurs and California falls into the ocean - Hillary has won and Bernie has lost.
There are too many primaries and too many delegates already on the books. This OP is a paid ad...and silvershadow likely knows it, but we can't say for sure. It's OK for someone to waste time and money on bash OPs because most people on DU already know it won't change anyone's mind, and it's better for money to be wasted here than other places.
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Ace Rothstein
(3,141 posts)TacoD
(581 posts)TacoD
(581 posts)"And Bernie is actually ahead in the polls, whatever the polls say it, but this way he gives a chance for Clinton, revives her and revives her electorate that in these days its very demoralized and inclined to boycott the polls or to vote for Sanders."
https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/05/sanders-was-wrong-to-accept-the-debate/
Number23
(24,544 posts)Break it down, honey!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Italian Psychologist and Political Scientist. Social Media Expert, Trends and Sentiment Analyzer, Memetica Expert, Frames Guru, Storyteller, Marketing and Communication, Musician, Rapper, Writer, Ghostwriter, and many more.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Can't trust him then!!!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Every reputable analyzer worth his salt has those skills too, you know.
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brush
(53,740 posts)Response to brush (Reply #82)
rjsquirrel This message was self-deleted by its author.
brush
(53,740 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The Onion maybe?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)that DUers would be so gullible as to 1) believe it and 2) post it.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)I heard that he is a Memetica Expert too!
George II
(67,782 posts)"In the opinion of the Secretariat of State and of some recently published studies..."
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Since when do we have race horses in the State Dept?
George II
(67,782 posts)Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Good one!
Codeine
(25,586 posts)For Once Let the Neighs Have It!
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Sparkly
(24,147 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts).
brush
(53,740 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)When Bernie won Washington by 72% they gave him ZERO votes. That is one example. Here is the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1948469
If you don't put the votes in the vote totals, it can look one sided.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Thanks!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)this wont be the first 80-<20 blowout,
but it will be the best.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)POLL: SANDERS LEADS CLINTON BY 8% IN NEW YORK
THATS WHY SANDERS LEADING WITH 58% IN NEW YORK
SANDERS IS GOING TO WIN NEW YORK WITH 58%
SANDERS WILL REACH 2470 DELEGATES. THATS WHY
BERNIE HAS 10-POINT LEAD IN ILLINOIS AND MISSOURI
BERNIE SANDERS IS OVERTAKING HILLARY CLINTON IN FLORIDA
Sid
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The opposite of everything he predicts is the truth!
Another prophet in reverse for Bernie!
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)[link:|
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)California goes big for Bernie!
Tarc
(10,472 posts)TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)A little about myself. My name is Garvit Zalani and I am 14 years in age but a political analyst. A proficient MUNner, trained in diplomacy, I have learned to form my perspective based on the current outlook of the world and India. A Hollywood fan and music addict among other things I am also a foodie and love cycling. I am a devout atheist hence religion does not influence my writing.
https://politicsanalyzer.wordpress.com/about/
Here is the info on the website itself.
http://thepoliticalanalyzer.com.ipaddress.com/
So a 14 year old from Italy is the new predictor of US presidential elections. Interesting.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Any source in a storm, I suppose.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)That takes some serious talent. Probably.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)"politicsanalyzer" is the 14 year old Indian - Garvit Zalani
https://twitter.com/garvit013
"thepoliticalalanyzer" is Luigi De Michele (the contact name in your 2nd link), who is this Italian:
https://twitter.com/GigiFionder
https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigi-de-michele-590bb879
"Luigi De Michele
Activist presso Bernie Sanders
Bari Area, Italy
Marketing and Advertising
Current
The Political Analyzer, Bernie Sanders Admin and Organizer, Bernie Sanders (Memetic Bern)"
garvitzalani
(1 post)Somehow, an unknown person, who doesn't even know me is commenting on the stuff I write. That seems a bit hypocritic right?
And I would plead you to get your facts right. I am an Indian, not an Italian and certainly I haven't written any stuff on the upcoming US Presidential Elections. So rather than making stupid accusations and labelling perhaps it would be better to know the person first.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)JumpinJehosaphat
(22 posts)Bernie Sanders clearly is voicing the views of millions of Americans, and more specifically democratic voters, concerning a progressive agenda for the country. He may not win the nomination because of the enormous support of the democratic establishment for HRC, the backing she has received from wealthy and powerful financial interests BUT he needs to be in it until the end and keep fighting. It has been a phenomenal campaign that Sanders and his staff have put together. The more delegates he receives, even if he falls short, allows for greater leverage to move this slow moving Democratic Party ship in the right direction.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)JumpinJehosaphat
(22 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Gee I wonder why Hillary has 3 million more democratic votes than Bernie then???
JumpinJehosaphat
(22 posts)Let's not forget how a Senator from a small state with little national name ID (in comparison to HRC who has an enormous national footprint) has achieved in galvanizing the democratic base. It continues to amaze. Unfortunately, it shows just how weak a candidate we have in Clinton. Keep fighting for every last vote Bernie, no vote should be taken for granted!
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Surprise
Redwoods Red
(137 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)that one.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Oh that delightful glimmering of Hope on the Horizon. Go California: feel the Bern!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)That's the author.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)because I think it may happen. (I put a buck on Trump to win the Republican nomination back in October against the rest of the field.)
Incidentally, in California, it's "Secretary" of State, not "Secretariat", which was the fastest horse ever.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Who knows though. Maybe he'll enjoy his playing around enough that he actually decides to go and learn how to do proper analysis. We always need new blood in the industry.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I'm volunteering from now until election day with calls, GOTV and canvassing. I hope others will join us.
ISUGRADIA
(2,571 posts)The same site predicted Sanders winning PA, CT and DE easily too.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Well, the lad is only 14. He'd probably learn from his mistakes if Bernie supporters stopped hanging on his every word as though they were gospel.
Chezboo
(230 posts)for Sanders are misleading and designed to make us complacent. The April Field Poll, (the standard in CA, had Hil 47, Bernie 41. It may have changed since the early April poll, but we have a lot of work to do. Go Bernie!
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Who cares, really? Ugly blog design, too.
I'm out.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)TacoD
(581 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)New York and California are very, very different.
apnu
(8,749 posts)Not.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)He assigns white voters to 70% of the turnout even though they're only 42% of the CA population, and were only 55% of the CA vote in 2012? And then he decides to give Sanders 55% of the black vote and 60% of the latino vote!? hahahaha sure.
Expect it to be a lot more like NY where Clinton got 75% of the black vote and 64% of the latino vote.
onenote
(42,560 posts)Apparently, this is a graduate of Morris' middle-school curriculum.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...yup, this sure is a horse race.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Number23
(24,544 posts)"Sanders ahead 2-1 in California!11" says 14 year old "analyst" in Italy. And the hordes, that scream that EVERYONE ELSE is a "low information voter" or part of a "cult" based on nothing but fame and personality, come running to rec.
Bookmarked. Kicked. Adored. Cherished.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
Number23
(24,544 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)This is pure gold, can't stop laughing.
Number23
(24,544 posts)is going to win California.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)She was won the race at this point.
LiberalFighter
(50,775 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,866 posts)>>Regarding Bernie Sanders I assigned the average of 60% of White voters and an average of 70% of the turnout, as regards the Black Voters I assigned a county by county average of 55% (following the Wisconsin data) and an average turnout of 55% (pre-Obaman turnout), as regards to the Asians I assigned respectively on average 57.5% of the votes and 60% of turnout. Finally I gave Senator Vermont the percentage of Hispanic Vote and Turnout: 60% and 60%. In conclusion I assigned the rating of Unaffiliated: 75% to Sanders and 25% to Clinton, with a turnout of 50%.
**************
The above = very good news for Bernie!
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Bernie loses again.
annavictorious
(934 posts)rather than "analyst".
"secretariat of state" rather than "secretary".
Was this "study" conducted by one of Sanders's foreign donors?
TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)This is an absolute classic.
TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)/ignore list.
TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)Try reading the thread next time, genius. The OP is based on an article from a 14-year-old Italian kid who made the whole thing up.
But, hey, if you want to look like a fool, be my guest.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)But you cling to it, just like Karl Rove did and be speechless when your fantasies don't play out like this guy with his 'meticulous' number games don't quite match reality.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Kudos to this kid for having one.
Shame on adults who take this as something realistic, though.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)If not, there's always Trump University.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Remember, we're in this for the long haul, not just the Primary election. A California victory for Bernie will do a lot to undermine and weaken the corporate wing of the Party, which will be useful going forward.
jcgoldie
(11,612 posts)In fiction but he still gets a D in statistics class.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)johnp3907
(3,729 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)Time for change
(13,714 posts)I've seen reports of efforts to purge Sanders voters in CA.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)everyone should DO so.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)as if he's the World's best political pundit.
Sid
MaeScott
(878 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,109 posts)Yup, those Bernie Sanders-backing kids sure showed us Hillary voters what's what. They shellacked us two-to-one in The Golden State, just like they did in Florida, in Georgia, in Texas, and also in New Jersey.
Oops, those were the results from that alternate universe. The results in this one took a different turn.
LenaBaby61
(6,972 posts)Going to win California.
I never bought into those right-winged polls with the weird methodology which said the race was as close as 1 or 2 points. I didn't think Hillary would win by 18 points either, but a comfortably high single number to perhaps 10 percentage points.
Welp....