Diverse Oakland Loves Hillary Clinton! Tens of thousands in attendance at recent rallies!

[CentralCoaster]

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Well, the rallies were for Sanders in Sacramento and Stockton this week where, combined, close to 40,000 came out!

Oakland, a demographic that should favor Hillary Clinton according to her campaign and Internet myth, also had people who came out.

About 800 of them. Clinton. In Oakland. I shit you not.

Hillary’s Oakland Rally VS Bernie’s Sacramento Rally



California is clearly “Feeling The Bern”. A recent rally in Sacramento, over 20,000 people attended to support Bernie Sanders, as we expected not one major media channel was there to report on this event.

On the other hand, Hillary also had a recent rally in Oakland. This rally had only 800 people in attendance, which did receive major media coverage.

Why should a rally with such a low turn out receive coverage while a rally with thousands in attendance is ignored by the media?

Watch this video where more people wait in line to get into the Bernie rally than even showed up to Hillary’s.

http://sourceplanet.net/politics/hillarys-oakland-rally-vs-bernies-sacramento-rally/

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[Divernan]

1. Reported crowd for HRC? divide by 2 & subtract 1/4 for staff/reporters.

That photo of HRC's rally in a school basketball court? An estimate of 400 is stretching it.

[CentralCoaster]

3. 100, typically, are Secret Service, minimum.

And....

Oakland is not located in a major urban area, and it's pretty white and upper income, no Abuealas.

I'm thinkin' this is probably why so few came out.

[Divernan]

4. ForClintonistas'benefit, Oakland is YUGE & 25% "non-Hispanic" white!

I know you get it, Central Coaster, but even w/ your sarcasm thingy - Clinton fans may remain in denial. So here it is spelled out, courtesy of Wikipedia.

Oakland is YUGE! and only 1/4 of its 413,775 residents are "non-Hispanic white! One of my kids just recently located there from living in San Francisco (right across from Golden Gate Park). She had absolutely no problem leaving her car at home and taking public transportation from her apt. in SF to her job in Oakland. The fact is that the majority of supporters Clinton attracts wouldn't be caught dead using public transportation. Neither would they risk rubbing shoulders at some de classe campaign "rally" with lower economic classes like Secret Service agents, campaign workers, and the press.

Oakland /ˈoʊklənd/ is a major West Coast port city in the U.S. state of California. Oakland is the third largest city in the San Francisco Bay Area, the eighth-largest city in California, and the 45th-largest city in the U.S., with a population of 413,775 as of 2014.[14] It serves as a trade center for the San Francisco Bay Area; its Port of Oakland is the busiest port for San Francisco Bay, all of Northern California, and fifth busiest in the United States. Incorporated in 1852, Oakland is the county seat of Alameda County. It is also the principal city of the Bay Area Region known as the East Bay. The city is situated directly across the bay, six miles (9.7 km) east of San Francisco.

The racial makeup of Oakland was 134,925 (34.5%) White (non-Hispanic White 25.9%), 109,471 (28.0%) African American, 3,040 (0.8%) Native American, 65,811 (16.8%) Asian (8.7% Chinese, 2.2% Vietnamese, 1.6% Filipino, 0.7% Cambodian, 0.7% Laotian, 0.6% Korean, 0.5% Japanese, 0.5% Indian, 0.1% Mongolian), 2,222 (0.6%) Pacific Islander (0.3% Tongan), 53,378 (13.7%) from other races, and 21,877 (5.6%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 99,068 persons (25.4%). 18.1% of the population were of Mexican descent, 1.9% Salvadoran, 1.3% Guatemalan, and 0.7% Puerto Rican.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland%2C_California

[CentralCoaster]

5. Yup, Hilary's base live in Pacific Heights, Atherton, Menlo Park, etc.

In a curious way, California coming in toward the end of the series of primaries may turn out to be a disadvantage to Clinton. Sanders has done so well and become so much more well known, her only reason for doing so well, name recognition, is significantly diminished.

[reddread]

7. and she has three weeks to completely blow it

which I believe she will.
with a little help from her security review too.
time is not her friend this month.

[FreakinDJ]

2. LOL

[PufPuf23]

6. Something is way off in the vote totals in Clinton versus Sanders.

Given a head start and treatment as an incumbent by the DNC explains Hillary Clinton's early success in the primaries.

The crowds drawn by Sanders and the exit polls of later primaries don't jibe with the official results of later primaries, especially in larger states such as New York.

I have been slow to move to this conclusion and this is my first post regards a growing suspicion.

Do your jobs super-delegates.

[CentralCoaster]

8. Super delegates and state boards of elections, wtf? Do your jobs!

WTF Alabama and the other states that seem to clearly have had a tampered with count.

Good grief.

It's like we need an intervention by some country or world council that does it right.

[PufPuf23]

10. I asked yesterday at DU where Ron Dellums stood on Hillary Clinton in 2016.

A Hillary Clinton supporter noted that Dellums had supported Clinton in 2008 but offered no proof nor could I find Dellums opinion of Clinton 2016.

The 1970 and 1980s versions of Ron Dellums and Jerry Brown were probably my favorite politicians ever to receive my votes.

I lived in Berkeley or Piedmont (as an estate caretaker) while at Cal for a BS in the 1970s and MBA in 1980s and worked for the Feds in Berkeley in the 1970s.

I like Oakland. The Grand Lake area by east Lake Merritt was my commercial center of convenience for several years.

Many good restaurants and cultural events in Oakland too.

The super-delegates have the task and ability to fix the Clinton fiasco if that is their will.

Did you see this recent Princeton study where the conclusion is that the US is no longer a democracy?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

[CentralCoaster]

11. Wow. Well, that Princeton study is objectively true. We've slowly lost the features of a Democracy

And the Clintons helped us get there.

I also love Jerry Brown, loved how he governed and how he left the party position he held.

I'm not on the same page with him on the tunnels project to send even more water south but that's another matter.

Like you, I love the East Bay and lived for one year two blocks from the Rockridge shopping center, College and Broadway.

[PufPuf23]

14. Jerry Brown is unique as a politician as he is skilled as an administrator, pragmatic, and honest.

His vision was decades beyond any other politician in the 1970s.

I strongly supported Brown for POTUS in 1976 and in the attempt to primary Carter in 1980.

If Brown had ran for POTUS now, he would have my support.

The water thing is a huge problem as the agriculture and urbanization of California is not sustainable and too much water is squandered by agriculture.

When a child, my hometown in northwestern California was planned to be removed and flooded under a reservoir. We drove through Whiskeytown and the Trinity Lake areas going back and forth to Danville so saw those towns go from town to stripped moonscape, to lake and my parents thought it was coming to our home. In my library is the California Water Project document (1959), the plan to dam the rivers and build tunnels and reservoirs all the way to the Smith River and the Oregon border. Good thing it never happened. Irongate and other dams on the upper Klamath are now planned to be removed.

While in Berkeley, I lived two years at Durant a block plus east of Shattuck, two plus years near the Berkeley Rose Garden, briefly at Milvia and Cedar (got the job in Piedmont and brought along gf later wife), part of a year in the Shattuck Hotel (while on detail as a Fed, had also worked for Feds 4 years previously in Berkeley - part time when an active student - as was a career Fed prior to starting university), and two plus years in Piedmont near Crocker Park as a caretaker. When in Piedmont I would catch the first ATC 48 bus of the day at the Crocker Park terminus. There was a choice of 5 routes to Berkeley by ATC to ATC or ATC to BART and vice versa. My gf/wife slept in and drove. At the end of the day, I would go to a coffee shop near the UC parking structure on Hearst where she would park. If I was to ride home with her or otherwise, would tell her during the day or leave a message at the coffee shop I didn't need a ride. I studied on my trips to and from Berkeley and had favorite coffee shops in every neighborhood along the routes including Rockridge (which was on the most convenient driving route and good restaurants). I loved those times.

I had lived with mother or grandparents in Danville 1-6 grade 58-64 for school and was at a boarding school near Danville 68-71 also so have deep East Bay history and fondness. My great great and great grandfathers are buried in Mountain View Cemetery between Rockridge and Piedmont as my great great grandfather was an early Oakland pioneer coming there in 1850s from a Dutch family in New York City. When turned 18 had a choice to register for draft either on the Hupa Reservation or in Martinez, and chose Martinez as best spot for non-religious CO (and virtually everyone who registered on the Reservation was being drafted). All was moot as got 300 plus on lottery.

Well I am wandering all over the map today.

[CentralCoaster]

17. I also supported Jerry for potus.

I barely missed him at a public event in New York where he was struck with a pie. Starstruck, I grabbed the kerchief someone lent him to wipe off his face that I found on the concrete.

I remember how that whole year went down, how Carter went out and Reagan came in. Good grief.

When I lived in the East Bay commuting was easy to my job on Jackson and Samsone Streets. I could drive over the bridge, take AC Transit, and the BART had just connected under the Bay so could take the train.

These days driving anywhere is just absurd yet people are fighting rail transit.

But that's another story. Catch you soon!

[Agschmid]

9. Let me guess...

You think their job is to overturn the pledged delegates.

[PufPuf23]

12. The job in theory of the super-delegates is to check and balance the popular vote

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in the Democratic party for the good of the party and one would assume nation.

That is why the system was devised.

The super-delegates were never meant to be proportional but to embody collected wisdom.

I became more aware of their role in POTUS 2016.

The Democratic establishment and DNC made a mistake in treating Hillary Clinton as an incumbent and presumptive nominee and having so many super-delegates commit to Clinton prior to Sanders and other Democrats joining the competition form POTUS nominee. This was a grave error and the super-delegate system is for such errors.

I backed into Sanders who has my vote in the California primary but there are a number of Democrats preferable to Hillary Clinton and I would gladly accept a candidate other than the two still competing at a brokered convention.

Sanders is refreshing and appears to support New Deal / Great Society rather than neo-liberal and neo-conservative policies so is my favorite now.

I am all for a reduction of war and empire and corporatism and for social justice and Keynesian economics.

Hillary Clinton does not have the character to be CIC nor POTUS. I believed that strongly in 2008 and ever more so now.

My opinion may not be a majority view but is a substantial and popular opinion.

This clip is all one needs to see regards Clinton's character:

[Agschmid]

13. I believe super delegates should be removed entirely from the process.

I've said that the whole time.

Guess I've got the more democratic position here.

[PufPuf23]

15. Thought the same earlier this year but have sort of changed my mind.

Agree a straight popular vote would be most democratic.

One problem is states would also have to create identical primary election methods to be fair and maybe a check like the electoral college to check the power of the larger states.

The Democratic establishment and DNC made a mistake in having so many delegates commit to Hillary Clinton prior to other potential Democrats joining the competition.

Also elections within a party structure to select candidates in public elections. A party is a private entity.

Spent some time researching why and how the super-delegate system was adopted by the Democratic party.

Looks to me that the situation we have is what the super-delegate system was meant to address.

My specific druthers may not be the most popular but is valid and has appeal to many.

Beats a smoke filled room or maybe just makes legitimate decisions made in a 2016 non-smoked filled room that Democratic candidates come from voters and party members and not moneyed and powerful special interests.

[pdsimdars]

16. More people would rather feel the bern than climb the hill.