2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy do dem primary results differ from exit polling
But not the gop exit polling which seemz to reflect the final tallies.
Can this be explained?
onecaliberal
(32,829 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)msongs
(67,395 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)stellanoir
(14,881 posts)and before you start dismissing an intrepid researcher on probabilities with two Master's Degrees in Applied Mathematics maybe you'll be more impressed with a celebrity endorsement of his tireless efforts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-robbins/fix-our-election-system_b_9847102.html?utm_hp_ref=homepage
Every IT security geek has been aware that the EVM's & DRE's were highly hackable since their hurried installation in '03.
We have one of the worst ratings for election integrity among global democracies.
http://ivn.us/2016/03/24/united-states-worst-elections-long-standing-democracy/
http://www.fairvote.org/american_elections_ranked_worst_among_older_democracies_here_s_why
45th : http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/26/shameful-american-democracy-ranks-45th-electoral-integrity.html
http://theconversation.com/american-elections-ranked-worst-among-western-democracies-heres-why-56485
There was an unofficial hearing on the voting machines after the travesty of '04 during which both Hillary & Obama (both new to the Senate) spoke about the unreliability & undependable nature of the technology that was contracted out to private partisan companies. Their source code is proprietary. If they had nothing to hide it would be open source.
Exit polls are the gold standard for determining election integrity globally.
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stellanoir
(14,881 posts)that's a first for me
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)when you get into the nuts and bolts of it
dana_b
(11,546 posts)You don't think that.... No..... 😱
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Perhaps because some around here are so good at..........MATH!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)links to back that up? Or is this like assuming that all 126,000 people in Brooklyn that got purged were going to vote for Bernie?
Autumn
(45,058 posts)and just can't quite figure out how to vote. What other reason could there possibly be??
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,058 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)That's my guess
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)And this is why, when Hillary supporters scream that Sanders supporters have to vote for her in the general, I have to tell them that she already took my vote.
If I see a sincere change in her tune I will enthusiastically cast my ballot for her in the general. Until then, I do what I want.
And for those who feel a need to defend Ms. Inevitable, all I have to say is that for months and months all the polling points to the conclusion that a vote for Hillary in the Primary is a vote for Trump in the General.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)I don't know if it's been investigated, but more and more states have early voting. And more and more people are talking advantage of it. Older people are much more likely to vote early, and those votes skew significantly to Hillary. I don't know if there is the same differential on the Republican side. Of course, early voters aren't at the polls for exits.
merrily
(45,251 posts)J_J_
(1,213 posts)Just look at her rallies to see how popular she really is.
They were caught changing the hand count to match the machine tally...
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Then why did 50K show up for Bernie in Seattle, but only 17K voted state-wide in WA?
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)In caucus states we don't get the raw number of votes which is why HRC claiming to be 3 million votes ahead of Bernie is so very, very disingenuous (I'll be nice here).
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Read this report.
"Legislative district convention delegates"
"Not actual votes cast"
And just for you because you deserve it:
https://m.
You really thought that few people voted in the whole state?
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)But the numbers still don't translate well - based on the WP numbers, 1-3 Sanders voters in the entire state was at that rally.
Rude and wrong!
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)Bernie got 167k votes in WA.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511949686
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)of course, when 40% of the vote is done via early voting, and not subject to exit polls, you will have a difference.
GOP - exit polls - Rubio 0%
actual votes - Rubio 13%
So at least in Arizona, your OP is false
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And if the network takes the poll in part of a state that might end up voting differently than the statewide total, then you get an inaccurate exit poll.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)I saw an image somebody posted earlier that made this same claim but it was too small to actually read. Is there any evidence this is true or is it yet another fabrication that Sanders supporters will pass around unquestioningly?
One explanation I've seen for inaccurate exit polling is that younger voters are more likely to participate in exit polls. That's a problem that wouldn't affect Republicans as much!
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)We will win. At all costs.
*BEEP*BOOP*BEEP*BOOP*
hack89
(39,171 posts)or do you have multiple links that detail your accusation?
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)while Clinton draws tens of people to hers? I'm sure the answer is similar.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)I couldn't find this.