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Why do dem primary results differ from exit polling (Original Post) SwampG8r May 2016 OP
Cheating. Period. onecaliberal May 2016 #1
Amen! bkkyosemite May 2016 #3
except when bernie WINS then it as pure as the driven snow nt msongs May 2016 #5
No just not as easy to rig against him... bkkyosemite May 2016 #7
Votes are being shaved electronically in most states which Bernie won also stellanoir May 2016 #25
and the results are in! yuiyoshida May 2016 #26
wows stellanoir May 2016 #31
Possibly early voting skew to Hillary. pat_k May 2016 #12
Maybe it's not as easy to rig some states (or areas) as others Ferd Berfel May 2016 #19
Gasp!! dana_b May 2016 #45
Hmmmmm. Good question. highprincipleswork May 2016 #2
Do you have some leftynyc May 2016 #4
Since the republicans match up so well I can only surmise democrats are not as smart as republicans Autumn May 2016 #6
Oh, behaaaave! nt merrily May 2016 #14
It pains me say that but there is no other logical explanation for it. Autumn May 2016 #16
Well, at least one thing is certain: no shenanigans were involved, so there's that. merrily May 2016 #22
A criminal conspiracy involving hundreds of people across multiple states firebrand80 May 2016 #8
In an electronic era it doesn't take more than a few Ferd Berfel May 2016 #20
Signs point to cheating Android3.14 May 2016 #9
Possibly early voting. pat_k May 2016 #11
Magic eight ball analysis!!! JoePhilly May 2016 #42
Possibly because early voting so skewed to Hillary on Democratic side. pat_k May 2016 #10
Exit polls are entirely unreliable-unless they somehow favor Hillary. Then, they're gospel. merrily May 2016 #13
her popularity has been manufactured by the media J_J_ May 2016 #15
If Rallies reflect voters dbackjon May 2016 #18
That is not the number of votes but the number of delegates. stillwaiting May 2016 #23
wrong again, but thanks for playing. dbackjon May 2016 #24
You really should not be a jackass when there is a chance you might be wrong. stillwaiting May 2016 #32
OK - I can admit I was mistaken dbackjon May 2016 #35
LOL Loudestlib May 2016 #34
The raw numbers of votes aren't hard to figure out ContinentalOp May 2016 #30
You are ever so helpful. nt stillwaiting May 2016 #33
just look at her negatives Ferd Berfel May 2016 #21
In Arizona both parties had different exit polls than results dbackjon May 2016 #17
Exit polls are adjusted throughout the night KingFlorez May 2016 #27
Link? ContinentalOp May 2016 #28
Do you have examples from both parties? Renew Deal May 2016 #29
Cheating. GoneFishin May 2016 #36
Why, those are Hillary evil ballot-zapping robots, of course Tarc May 2016 #37
Are we simply to take your word for it? hack89 May 2016 #38
Why does Bernie draw tens of thousands of people to his rallies ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #39
Magnets. Sanders has superior magnets. CentralCoaster May 2016 #40
Very important! See this: silvershadow May 2016 #41
Thank you. SheenaR May 2016 #43
I saved it when I saw it. ;) You are welcome! nt silvershadow May 2016 #44

stellanoir

(14,881 posts)
25. Votes are being shaved electronically in most states which Bernie won also
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/the-primaries-hillary-wins-the-lottery/

and before you start dismissing an intrepid researcher on probabilities with two Master's Degrees in Applied Mathematics maybe you'll be more impressed with a celebrity endorsement of his tireless efforts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-robbins/fix-our-election-system_b_9847102.html?utm_hp_ref=homepage

Every IT security geek has been aware that the EVM's & DRE's were highly hackable since their hurried installation in '03.

We have one of the worst ratings for election integrity among global democracies.

http://ivn.us/2016/03/24/united-states-worst-elections-long-standing-democracy/
http://www.fairvote.org/american_elections_ranked_worst_among_older_democracies_here_s_why
45th : http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/26/shameful-american-democracy-ranks-45th-electoral-integrity.html
http://theconversation.com/american-elections-ranked-worst-among-western-democracies-heres-why-56485

There was an unofficial hearing on the voting machines after the travesty of '04 during which both Hillary & Obama (both new to the Senate) spoke about the unreliability & undependable nature of the technology that was contracted out to private partisan companies. Their source code is proprietary. If they had nothing to hide it would be open source.

Exit polls are the gold standard for determining election integrity globally.

yuiyoshida

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26. and the results are in!
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

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Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
19. Maybe it's not as easy to rig some states (or areas) as others
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

when you get into the nuts and bolts of it

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. Do you have some
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

links to back that up? Or is this like assuming that all 126,000 people in Brooklyn that got purged were going to vote for Bernie?

Autumn

(45,058 posts)
6. Since the republicans match up so well I can only surmise democrats are not as smart as republicans
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

and just can't quite figure out how to vote. What other reason could there possibly be??

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
9. Signs point to cheating
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

And this is why, when Hillary supporters scream that Sanders supporters have to vote for her in the general, I have to tell them that she already took my vote.

If I see a sincere change in her tune I will enthusiastically cast my ballot for her in the general. Until then, I do what I want.

And for those who feel a need to defend Ms. Inevitable, all I have to say is that for months and months all the polling points to the conclusion that a vote for Hillary in the Primary is a vote for Trump in the General.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
10. Possibly because early voting so skewed to Hillary on Democratic side.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

I don't know if it's been investigated, but more and more states have early voting. And more and more people are talking advantage of it. Older people are much more likely to vote early, and those votes skew significantly to Hillary. I don't know if there is the same differential on the Republican side. Of course, early voters aren't at the polls for exits.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
15. her popularity has been manufactured by the media
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

Just look at her rallies to see how popular she really is.

They were caught changing the hand count to match the machine tally...

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
18. If Rallies reflect voters
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

Then why did 50K show up for Bernie in Seattle, but only 17K voted state-wide in WA?


stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
23. That is not the number of votes but the number of delegates.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

In caucus states we don't get the raw number of votes which is why HRC claiming to be 3 million votes ahead of Bernie is so very, very disingenuous (I'll be nice here).

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
32. You really should not be a jackass when there is a chance you might be wrong.
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/washington

Read this report.

"Legislative district convention delegates"

"Not actual votes cast"

And just for you because you deserve it:

https://m.


You really thought that few people voted in the whole state?






 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
35. OK - I can admit I was mistaken
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

But the numbers still don't translate well - based on the WP numbers, 1-3 Sanders voters in the entire state was at that rally.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
17. In Arizona both parties had different exit polls than results
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

of course, when 40% of the vote is done via early voting, and not subject to exit polls, you will have a difference.


GOP - exit polls - Rubio 0%
actual votes - Rubio 13%



So at least in Arizona, your OP is false

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
27. Exit polls are adjusted throughout the night
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

And if the network takes the poll in part of a state that might end up voting differently than the statewide total, then you get an inaccurate exit poll.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
28. Link?
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

I saw an image somebody posted earlier that made this same claim but it was too small to actually read. Is there any evidence this is true or is it yet another fabrication that Sanders supporters will pass around unquestioningly?

One explanation I've seen for inaccurate exit polling is that younger voters are more likely to participate in exit polls. That's a problem that wouldn't affect Republicans as much!

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
37. Why, those are Hillary evil ballot-zapping robots, of course
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

We will win. At all costs.

*BEEP*BOOP*BEEP*BOOP*

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
39. Why does Bernie draw tens of thousands of people to his rallies
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

while Clinton draws tens of people to hers? I'm sure the answer is similar.

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