Why isnt Bernie ambitious enough?

[JaneyVee]

Hillary seems much more ambitious, and ambition is a great trait to possess.

Also, that article you are all reccing about Hillary's "ambition" was written by someone who makes a living being a vocal critic of environmentalists who want climate action. Yes, a global warming denier is what Bernie fans are now bringing to DU to trash Hillary.

Congratulations?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Murphy#Current_work

[msongs]

1. well he waited for 73.5 years to run for president then dumped his independent shtick to run as a...

democrat. that's sort of amibitious

[NanceGreggs]

2. That's not ambition.

That's self-serving hypocrisy.

[Cosmic Kitten]

44. Thats sums up *Her* perfectly

She's a self-serving,
power seeking,
money lover.

She makes MILLIONS from *public service*


Despicable

[Armstead]

45. I didn't realize there is an age limit to being an Official Democrat

Gosh I suppose you'd prefer he wold have run as a 3rd Party candidate, and really skunk up the prospects of Democrats in the General election.

Or is it that the Presidency is an inherited office now?

[Jester Messiah]

3. That's a cute way to frame what Hillary does.

"Ambition." I guess that's one word for it.

[JaneyVee]

4. Please, enlighten us all to what word you would use.

[Jester Messiah]

5. Corruption. n/t

[JaneyVee]

7. Corruption has an actual legal definition. None of which applies.

[Jester Messiah]

8. I'm reminded of something...

When someone gives a pat, boilerplate answer, and the person thus answered responds back with a sort of higher-pitched, mocking cadence... kind of sounds like they're saying "meow meow MEOW meow meow meow MEOW."

It's hard to use that on the Internet, but it seems like it would work here. Either that or "here's what you can do with your 'legal definition.'

In my view, she's as corrupt as the day is long. You asked what word I'd use, that's the one. Don't like it, tough.

[JaneyVee]

10. But doesnt the fact that you cant actually show evidence of...

Actual corruption prove that your view isnt actually even credible to begin with?

[Jester Messiah]

11. Blah blah legalistic blah.

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't a courtroom and we are thus not restricted to bullshit legalisms. I'm sure that's scary for Hillary and her supporters, being that legal loopholes are pretty much the only way she can succeed at anything, but do try and realize that words and concepts predate legalisms. There are wider concepts in play. In the most basic, root meaning of the word, Hillary is corrupt.

She is both corrupted and corrupting. She is a source of corruption. She corrupts.

cor·rupt
kəˈrəpt
adjective
1. having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
2. Hillary Clinton.

[JaneyVee]

12. Dumb talking point.

[Jester Messiah]

13. Meow meow meow. n/t

[JaneyVee]

14. The irony of this entire subthread.

Bernie fan says something not grounded in reality, just pure emotion, ends up meowing endlessly.

[Jester Messiah]

15. You get what you earn.

Robbed of your pretense that the world is a courtroom with a set of bought-and-paid-for legal loopholes for you to exploit, you resorted to a three word non-response. Meow meow meow was entirely merited.

[JaneyVee]

16. Shhh. Its ok. Its all emotion for you.

[Jester Messiah]

17. Ooh, are we playing the condescension game now? Fun!

I love that one! Let me try.
"There there precious, it'll be okay. The mean nasty progressives will go away soon and everything will magically get better!"

[JaneyVee]

18. You meowed first.

[Jester Messiah]

20. Not exactly condescension.

Some other flavor of mockery, I think. But as I said, it was earned.

[JaneyVee]

25. Bro, you actually meowed at someone on the internet...

And now youre attempting to make it seem like that is even close to a normal thing human beings do, and on top of that youre telling me I deserved it? LOL there is no way I am going to go by whatever your definition of a legal tem is. YOU MEOWED AT SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET ARE U SERIOUS.

[Jester Messiah]

42. Meow?

You realize the internet is 50% cat pictures anyway. This is the next logical evolution. And really, I think it's a better answer to trollish or shillish posts than "f.u. troll" or "wow, thanks for correcting the record, shillbot!"

[Hortensis]

49. Better than contempt. I recommend settling.

[timmymoff]

21. Can you show evidence of Bernie's lack of ambition?

Or are you just pulling posts out of your arse like you are known to do daily? I'm sure this will be deemed hurtful and rude by Camp Weathervane but we've already seen one post where you brought up sexism, then in a few posts used sexist terms. It's kind of like hypocrisy runs strong with Hillary and her supporters.

[JaneyVee]

22. Operation Chaos 2016

[timmymoff]

24. Evidence please

Oh you can't because your OP was an opinion. And like usual a piss poor one.

[w4rma]

6. power-hungry (nt)

[JaneyVee]

9. And Bernie is what, not running for the most powerful position in the world?

[DURHAM D]

19. Have you ever noticed that people who claim

Hillary is power hungry are themselves lacking personal agency?

[timmymoff]

23. Duplicitous

is the word I would use

[JaneyVee]

26. No one asked you.

[timmymoff]

27. I do not seek your permission

I just call out your nonsense.

[JaneyVee]

29. Feel better now?

[timmymoff]

31. Poor thing had to alert

[ContinentalOp]

28. I've been wondering why he never ran for office in NY

This guy who is supposedly the champion for the poor and oppressed chooses to leave his hometown of Brooklyn to represent the second smallest, second whitest state in the nation? If he really cared about progressive change wouldn't he have had more influence as a congressman from New York and wouldn't it have made more sense to fight for a larger, poorer, more diverse constituency?

[Eric J in MN]

38. Before Bernie Sanders, VT-At Large had Republican Reps

...for 30 years. Sanders did more good by picking up a seat for liberals than if he'd run in a NY district which would have elected a liberal regardless.

Vermont is mostly white but Sanders has a 100% rating from the NAACP for his lifetime voting record.

[Armstead]

46. Oh it might have something to do with the fact that he lives in Vermont.

I realize that carpetbagging is the Clinton's preferred modus operandi, but it is also acceptable to represent the area where a person has chosen to live for the majority of their life.

I never realized that it is awful to represent rural states, and to dedicate one's career to representing those areas.

[dubyadiprecession]

30. He's 74 and tired. what do you want from him?

[Armstead]

47. Tired? I defy you top follow the schedule he has followed for the last year

Most people wouldn't last a week, even those in their 40's and 50's.

[Corporate666]

32. Well, this is a man who couldn't even get a paying job before 40 years old

He is apparently the couch potato of politicians.

Even now, his platform is just buzz-words and populist one-liners with absolutely no substance (meaning - no way to get implemented).

He's intellectually lazy as well as being personally lazy, it seems.


Yes, I know the BS supporters are going to alert on this post in a microsecond, but I am not attacking them and the above words are a perfectly reasonable response to the original question. And nothing I said is untrue whatsoever.

[Eric J in MN]

39. Bernie Sanders does multiple events per day.

In February he did a townhall in a poor neighborhood in Minneapolis right before speaking at the annual Minnesota Democratic fundraiser in Saint Paul.

He's not lazy.

[hobbit709]

41. Define paying job.

[Armstead]

48. Your post is intellectually lazy and thick headed

Representing a state for decades, and gaining the loyalty of its residents to the degree he has is not small achievement for anyone.

And intellectually lazy is accepting all of the talking points of the corporate status quo and being closed off to all critiques, and not recognizing the flaws in the system.

[Corporate666]

53. Bernsters have lots of responses to facts... unfortunately none of them are counter facts

It is a fact that this is a man who was essentially a layabout until he was 40 years old. He failed in pretty much every endeavor that he tried, and never got off his ass and got a real job - despite having a wife to be responsible to and a kid to take care of.

He spent all of his time advocating to change the system rather than getting a job and THEN working on changing the system. And he continued doing basically nothing until he became part of the system.

He isn't changing hearts and minds by suckling on the teat of public taxpayer money, dumping toxic waste in poor communities and getting in bed with the military industrial complex to get pork delivered or getting in bed with the gun lobby to get campaign funding delivered.

You've bought the hype and believed it, I'm afraid.

[Armstead]

54. I've known about him for 20 years and have followed his career closely.

I am a neighbor of his state.

You're perpetuating negative and totally wrong hype.

The only grain of truth is that he tried his hand at a few different jobs and wasn't suited to them. TYhat's not uniusual, especially for peope in his generation.

But if not being a talented essay writer, documentary filmmaker, social worker or carpenter is a Mortal Sin, then so be it.

[Corporate666]

55. The difference is that people don't generally spend 20 years "trying different jobs" when

they have a wife and a child to support. Bernie just didn't want a real job. He wanted to do his own thing. That's fine if you are single and not responsible to others. When you are responsible to others, it is a serious character flaw and demonstrated lack of maturity, lack of character, lack of morals and a selfish disposition.

What I am saying is not wrong at all. It's factually true and indisputable. And to say it's common for people in his generation? Absolute bunk. This was the Vietnam generation and they did not live coddled lives like millennials. Back then, you got off your ass and you worked.

Except Bernie. He sat around trying to milk the system for years, until he decided to BE "the system". Never had a steady job in all his life before latching onto the government teat.

[Armstead]

57. Oh just fucking drop it -- He has been a success by any measure since the mid 1980's

Whether you prefer him or not, he was an extremely successful mayor (reeledcted consistently) ....and most people would consider being elected and re-elected to the House numerous times, and then being promoted to the Senate by his constituents by huge margins to be a successful life.....not to mention running for President and getting close to half the vote.

That sounds pretty accomplished for a "layabout."

[JosephAlanWatson]

33. Age

Bernie is an old feller, and is most likely tired of life. I feel he expects it all to come to him since he preaches 24-7. Eventually I think he will drop out and Hillary will win in the next five months.

[Armstead]

50. He is younger mentally (and physically) than many 30 year olds

Your post defies common sense.

Hillary is an old lady too by your measurements.

[quaker bill]

34. Nixon was ambitious

W was ambitious.

Reagan was ambitious.

I would say that Trump is ambitious.

How was/is that a "great trait to possess" in these examples?




Given these examples it would seem to me that one can be quite ambitions to achieve harmful things.

[jack_krass]

37. "W was ambitious"

While I agree on the other names. I always thought of W as an idiot with ambitious people around him.

[MoonRiver]

40. They had quite a few hideous traits on top of ambition!

J.F.K. and F.D.R. we're also ambitious minus those traits. One has to be ambitious to be successful in politics. How else could you get through the hell of campaigning?

[quaker bill]

43. I do not disagree

Just stating that the strength of ambition in a candidate is not necessarily a predictor of good things to come.

[hobbit709]

35. Ambition to the extent that one is willing to say or do anything to win is not a good trait.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. Caesar was ambitious.

And this primary grows more Shakespearean by the day, though not for its eloquence.

[Prism]

51. Didn't you just say the other day that ambition was a sexist term?

*checks* Wait, no, I'm right. You did say that.

So, why are you using sexist verbiage against Clinton?

[merrily]

52. The amount of crap that gets made up is somewhere between

sad and nauseating.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Nice interesting RW frame there

and yes, I call them for what they are.

Lazy commie... that is what that activates

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. I think you're confusing "ambitious" with "self-absorbed and ego-driven". n/t