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Sun May 15, 2016, 03:40 PM

 

Sanders supporters

Say by some miracle Sanders is elected President and has a republican house and senate to contend with, please enlighten me hoe and what he is going to get done from his promises?

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Reply Sanders supporters (Original post)
Txbluedog May 2016 OP
NewImproved Deal May 2016 #1
coffeeAM May 2016 #2
COLGATE4 May 2016 #3
pangaia May 2016 #27
Txbluedog May 2016 #6
Sejon May 2016 #15
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #13
procon May 2016 #30
Sparkly May 2016 #41
MariaThinks May 2016 #4
Sejon May 2016 #8
djean111 May 2016 #5
Txbluedog May 2016 #7
djean111 May 2016 #31
SheilaT May 2016 #9
Blue_In_AK May 2016 #10
TDale313 May 2016 #14
tonedevil May 2016 #17
libdem4life May 2016 #26
Broward May 2016 #11
TDale313 May 2016 #12
Txbluedog May 2016 #18
TDale313 May 2016 #22
immoderate May 2016 #29
djean111 May 2016 #33
LWolf May 2016 #16
99th_Monkey May 2016 #19
Txbluedog May 2016 #20
djean111 May 2016 #35
Trajan May 2016 #21
immoderate May 2016 #34
lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #23
Hiraeth May 2016 #24
KansDem May 2016 #25
pdsimdars May 2016 #28
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #32
larkrake May 2016 #36
CobaltBlue May 2016 #37
Txbluedog May 2016 #38
CobaltBlue May 2016 #40
2banon May 2016 #39
Betty Karlson May 2016 #42

Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:41 PM

1. Only one answer...

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:42 PM

2. The same way he got the bipartisan veterans bill done with John Mccain!

 

He is not hated like Clinton is by the other side , so he can actually get something done.

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #2)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:43 PM

3. Yes, his legislative record is quite impressive.

King of amendments. He's good at naming post offices, though. He'll get lots of Rethug support in that area.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #3)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:27 PM

27. You should do a little research, my friend.

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #2)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:46 PM

6. You think that he will get bipartisan support

 

For his agenda---the agenda that the republican have already called socialist?

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #6)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:57 PM

15. Desegregation and civil rights didn't have it

 

Executive orders were used to implement it.

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #2)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:56 PM

13. This is an excellent point: a lot of people on the hill are used to working with him.

 

Sure, a lot of his agenda is going to be resisted tooth and nail by the GOP...that's a given. But so are the parts of Clinton's that we on the left care about (while her less-palatable items might get comparatively smooth sailing because they're pro-corporate). We have to acknowledge that with a GOP-controlled Congress, many liberal, pro-working-class agenda items advanced by either Democratic candidate will be simply impossible.

So you then have to ask yourself which candidate has the experience and personal connections to accomplish the most of what is possible? I think the answer is obvious, frankly. Because Sanders has always been an outsider on the hill, he's had to learn the art of bipartisan cooperation to accomplish anything (and there's a great thread by Dragonfli presenting the extensive list of those accomplishments in this forum...sorry for being too lazy to find it and link! ). He's been doing it for decades.

I think it's fair to say that Sanders is more likely to accomplish things that benefit progressive values if faced with GOP control of both houses.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #13)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:50 PM

30. As a candidate who can't attract more than one Senatorial endorsement

I think it's fair to say that Sander's won't be accomplishing much of anything, either as a Senator or a POTUS. Seriously, he's been in congress for how long, and he could only drum up a handful of his fellow congressmen to endorse him. That's a worrisome outcome for someone who must have the support of the elected Democratic politicians to even start the legislative process.

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:55 AM

41. Her being hated by "the other side"

and still surviving as the first potential woman president shows her strength. That's one of the things I most admire about her.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:44 PM

4. it would be fun to see how well bernie supporters fare against vicious republican supporters

if they were to focus the malicious forces against Bernie as they have done so against Hillary since 1992.

As they have done with Hillary, they will make up lies and labels. Socialist Bernie will be the one to start.

It's actually very easy to do. I wrote a few more and deleted them. I won't do the work for them, so i'll stop. That's one of the things that separates me from some Bernie supporters who are doing the gop dirty work for them against Hillary. I would still support Bernie if he was the nominee.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #4)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:51 PM

8. "Socialist" doesn't carry the stigma it once did

 

Didn't really hurt Obama either who was called everything from communist, Muslim and black supremacist.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:46 PM

5. Whatever Bernie can get done, even if not much at all, is preferable, to me,

 

to what Hillary may get done with the willing help of the GOP. Much like it took the GOP to give Obama Fast Track.

Third Way, war, fracking, means-testing Social Security - these are things I believe the GOP would be all too happy to help Hillary with, calling it "bipartisan".

So - whatever Bernie could get done is preferable, to me, to what Hillary might be able to get done. Either she will get some things done that I hate, or the GOP will spend four years obstructing her. How that can be seen as preferable to Bernie is beyond me.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:48 PM

7. Given that Bernie and the republicans have no common ground

 

You think they will be any less obstructionists to him than they would to Hillary?

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:52 PM

31. Why would that matter, then?

 

Oh, and, yeah, they may be less obstructionist - they do not hate Bernie like they do Hillary.

And, if you are positing that the president will just be some sort of Queen of England figurehead - I would rather have Bernie.

Also - Hillary as CIC - scares the crap out of me.

So, whatever point you are laboring to make, it is not merely that I prefer Bernie as president - I do not want a Third Way militant Wall Street-hugging Hillary as President.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:53 PM

9. Well said.

 

It's pretty amazing that the Hillary supporters ask this question about Bernie, but apparently assume that she miraculously won't have any problems dealing with a Republican House and Senate. As if she has spent 25 years in Congress herself. Nope. That's Bernie.

Certainly, Hillary would accomplish nothing but "compromises", meaning cutting back Social Security, Medicare, the VA system, infrastructure funding and the like while happily sending off more of our young men and women to die and be maimed in foreign countries.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:53 PM

10. And tell me what is Hillary going to get done?

The Republicans hate Hillary Clinton almost as much, or more, as they hate Obama.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #10)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:56 PM

14. I shudder to think about where they would work with her. n/t

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #10)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:01 PM

17. Invade...

Iran.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #10)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:27 PM

26. That's why she's got her hand out to their Donors...because they hate her.

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:54 PM

11. At the very least he won't "compromise" with Repubs.

Playing the long game here. Gotta move the conversation left and hopefully over time we can pass more progressive legislation.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:55 PM

12. It won't be any easier for Hillary.

And at least we'd have someone in there fighting our fight. And we'll likely have the Senate back. And we work towards regaining the house down the line.

But again some of you have never gotten it. Most of us are not expecting Bernie to wave a magic and fix it all. It's a long game. It's about his ideas and policies. It's about fighting for a more fair and equal society/system. You guys are the ones who seem to think we expect him to perform miracles. He never promised that and we don't expect that.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #12)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:01 PM

18. You might want to check with the rest of his supporters

 

I work with a lot of college students who are failing classes because they are too busy volunteering for the Sanders campaign to study....a majority of them are under the impression that their student loans will magically disappear and college will be free the moment Bernie is sworn in

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #18)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:14 PM

22. I know a lot of Bernie supporters.

That hasn't been my experience.

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #18)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:44 PM

29. So, are Hillary supporters smarter, or just less dedicated?

 

Do they support Hillary because they don't want help?

As a Texas blue dog, what improvements would you like to see in the system?

--imm

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #18)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:54 PM

33. So what, really? So some of his supporters get disappointed.

 

Didn't faze Obama, did it? Not a good reason to support Hillary. Not by a million jillion light-years.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:57 PM

16. I expect that,

should he get the nomination, we'll be not only working hard to elect him, but working hard to elect people that will work with him in Congress down ticket.

We'll be doing that either way.

I expect that, since he's only said it in almost every speech he gives, he'll be calling on us to be actively supporting his efforts, getting involved, contacting our Senators and reps, and generally growing grass-roots activism for his agenda.

I expect that, just as he gets respect from Republicans, and some votes from them as well, that some Congressional Rs will feel some pressure, as well.

I expect that he will not, as every neo-liberal Dem POTUS has since Bill Clinton, move us backwards, and he will fight, hard, to take steps forward. I expect that, while it will definitely be an uphill fight, together, we will make positive gains.

I will also point out that the only promise I've heard him make is to use Citizen's United as a litmus test for SC appointments. The rest? He's laid out an agenda, promised to fight for that agenda, and told us repeatedly that he can't do it alone. I know he'll keep that promise: he'll fight for us.

And we'll fight with him.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:02 PM

19. Good Grief

 

This question has been hashed & rehashed, answered over and over, for nearly a year
now on DU and elsewhere. Could you Hillarians at least think of topics/questions that
haven't already been talked to death.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:05 PM

20. Bernie biggest supporters are young people....

 

And now more than at any time in our past, we live in an age of instant gratification. If Sanders becomes President and cannot immediately deliver, disillusionment will be quick to set in.

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #20)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:56 PM

35. So what?

 

That's preferable to a bunch of Hillary supporters who would be, I presume, hap[py with all of her "compromises" with the GOP on things like Social Security. And then there is her propensity for war. Are you really looking forward to that?

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:12 PM

21. The same congress who hates Hillary ?

 

Bernie has a better chance of seating a Democratic congress, by far ...

This question is so .... pedestrian .... You should have already known the answer ...

Pointless ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #21)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:55 PM

34. Signing up as 'Txbluedog' is not exactly a claim to intellectualism.

 

But he gonna set us straight.

--imm

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:17 PM

23. Is this rationale a reason to support a candidate who promises nothing?

 

We understand that he's promising to push, promote and advocate for legislation. We get that he's not a king.

Sanders has longer coattails to improve the odds of a Democratic Senate, but as we've seen, there's no reason to believe a democratic senate will be any more receptive to promoting the public interest.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:19 PM

24. and you think Clinton can do better in the same scenario? I don't.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:23 PM

25. I live very near my Rep's office.

If he opposes or blocks anything Pres. Sanders proposes, I'll be on him like flies on shit on a hot summer day!

It's very easy to route my weekend errands to go by his office. I'll pop in and ask his staff, "What's going on here? Why is Rep. not doing anything about the Prez's new ideas? Get with it!! The people have spoken!!" And I will encourage any colleagues to do the same. And we'll do this over and over and over...

This approach differs than the "old way" when election time was coming and we all said, "Oh, another election." Then we listened to the pundits and read corporate media newspapers and magazine and let them tell us which person to vote for. And when the election was over, either our candidate won and we were happy, or lost and we were sad. Then we'd go back to the daily grind until the next election.

No more. Democracy is now a 24-hour-a-day, 365-day-a-year responsibility.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:29 PM

28. Bernie has talked abou that many time. . . Go do some research and figure it out yourself

 

we're tired of explaining things to people who aren't really interested in knowing.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:53 PM

32. How will Hillary do it?

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:55 PM

36. How and what will Hillary get? Lets be honest

 

The Presidency does not matter, its the down ticket that is crucial, and Hillary has no support in the Congress, Bernie has worked so well as the amendment king with dems and republicans. Hillary has no respect and inspires corruption two fold. She wont even veto, she will keep working with lobbyists. She cannot change her spots

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 06:55 PM

37. Txbluedog—The premise of your question has to also include Hillary as president.

 

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Response to CobaltBlue (Reply #37)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:47 AM

38. No it doesn't

 

As a Hillary supporter I asked the question of Bernie supporters--- you are free to start a thread asking the same Q of Hillary supporters

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #38)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:51 AM

40. Txbluedog—Your question is flawed. But I will say…

 

A reason why Bernie Sanders voters like myself do not trust Hillary Clinton is that we think she would sign in for Republican Party-type policy details on passed bills.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:49 AM

39. probably the same way HRC would get what she wants done under the same set up

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 04:31 AM

42. With his coattails, a Republican house and senate seem much more unlikely than

 

with Clinton's GE disaster verberating all the way down the ticket.

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