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Sanders supporters (Original Post) Txbluedog May 2016 OP
Only one answer... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #1
The same way he got the bipartisan veterans bill done with John Mccain! coffeeAM May 2016 #2
Yes, his legislative record is quite impressive. COLGATE4 May 2016 #3
You should do a little research, my friend. pangaia May 2016 #27
You think that he will get bipartisan support Txbluedog May 2016 #6
Desegregation and civil rights didn't have it Sejon May 2016 #15
This is an excellent point: a lot of people on the hill are used to working with him. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #13
As a candidate who can't attract more than one Senatorial endorsement procon May 2016 #30
Her being hated by "the other side" Sparkly May 2016 #41
it would be fun to see how well bernie supporters fare against vicious republican supporters MariaThinks May 2016 #4
"Socialist" doesn't carry the stigma it once did Sejon May 2016 #8
Whatever Bernie can get done, even if not much at all, is preferable, to me, djean111 May 2016 #5
Given that Bernie and the republicans have no common ground Txbluedog May 2016 #7
Why would that matter, then? djean111 May 2016 #31
Well said. SheilaT May 2016 #9
And tell me what is Hillary going to get done? Blue_In_AK May 2016 #10
I shudder to think about where they would work with her. n/t TDale313 May 2016 #14
Invade... tonedevil May 2016 #17
That's why she's got her hand out to their Donors...because they hate her. libdem4life May 2016 #26
At the very least he won't "compromise" with Repubs. Broward May 2016 #11
It won't be any easier for Hillary. TDale313 May 2016 #12
You might want to check with the rest of his supporters Txbluedog May 2016 #18
I know a lot of Bernie supporters. TDale313 May 2016 #22
So, are Hillary supporters smarter, or just less dedicated? immoderate May 2016 #29
So what, really? So some of his supporters get disappointed. djean111 May 2016 #33
I expect that, LWolf May 2016 #16
Good Grief 99th_Monkey May 2016 #19
Bernie biggest supporters are young people.... Txbluedog May 2016 #20
So what? djean111 May 2016 #35
The same congress who hates Hillary ? Trajan May 2016 #21
Signing up as 'Txbluedog' is not exactly a claim to intellectualism. immoderate May 2016 #34
Is this rationale a reason to support a candidate who promises nothing? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #23
and you think Clinton can do better in the same scenario? I don't. Hiraeth May 2016 #24
I live very near my Rep's office. KansDem May 2016 #25
Bernie has talked abou that many time. . . Go do some research and figure it out yourself pdsimdars May 2016 #28
How will Hillary do it? Duckhunter935 May 2016 #32
How and what will Hillary get? Lets be honest larkrake May 2016 #36
Txbluedog—The premise of your question has to also include Hillary as president. CobaltBlue May 2016 #37
No it doesn't Txbluedog May 2016 #38
Txbluedog—Your question is flawed. But I will say… CobaltBlue May 2016 #40
probably the same way HRC would get what she wants done under the same set up 2banon May 2016 #39
With his coattails, a Republican house and senate seem much more unlikely than Betty Karlson May 2016 #42
 

coffeeAM

(180 posts)
2. The same way he got the bipartisan veterans bill done with John Mccain!
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

He is not hated like Clinton is by the other side , so he can actually get something done.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
3. Yes, his legislative record is quite impressive.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

King of amendments. He's good at naming post offices, though. He'll get lots of Rethug support in that area.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
6. You think that he will get bipartisan support
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

For his agenda---the agenda that the republican have already called socialist?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
13. This is an excellent point: a lot of people on the hill are used to working with him.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

Sure, a lot of his agenda is going to be resisted tooth and nail by the GOP...that's a given. But so are the parts of Clinton's that we on the left care about (while her less-palatable items might get comparatively smooth sailing because they're pro-corporate). We have to acknowledge that with a GOP-controlled Congress, many liberal, pro-working-class agenda items advanced by either Democratic candidate will be simply impossible.

So you then have to ask yourself which candidate has the experience and personal connections to accomplish the most of what is possible? I think the answer is obvious, frankly. Because Sanders has always been an outsider on the hill, he's had to learn the art of bipartisan cooperation to accomplish anything (and there's a great thread by Dragonfli presenting the extensive list of those accomplishments in this forum...sorry for being too lazy to find it and link! ). He's been doing it for decades.

I think it's fair to say that Sanders is more likely to accomplish things that benefit progressive values if faced with GOP control of both houses.

procon

(15,805 posts)
30. As a candidate who can't attract more than one Senatorial endorsement
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

I think it's fair to say that Sander's won't be accomplishing much of anything, either as a Senator or a POTUS. Seriously, he's been in congress for how long, and he could only drum up a handful of his fellow congressmen to endorse him. That's a worrisome outcome for someone who must have the support of the elected Democratic politicians to even start the legislative process.

Sparkly

(24,141 posts)
41. Her being hated by "the other side"
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:55 AM
May 2016

and still surviving as the first potential woman president shows her strength. That's one of the things I most admire about her.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
4. it would be fun to see how well bernie supporters fare against vicious republican supporters
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

if they were to focus the malicious forces against Bernie as they have done so against Hillary since 1992.

As they have done with Hillary, they will make up lies and labels. Socialist Bernie will be the one to start.

It's actually very easy to do. I wrote a few more and deleted them. I won't do the work for them, so i'll stop. That's one of the things that separates me from some Bernie supporters who are doing the gop dirty work for them against Hillary. I would still support Bernie if he was the nominee.

 

Sejon

(109 posts)
8. "Socialist" doesn't carry the stigma it once did
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:51 PM
May 2016

Didn't really hurt Obama either who was called everything from communist, Muslim and black supremacist.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. Whatever Bernie can get done, even if not much at all, is preferable, to me,
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

to what Hillary may get done with the willing help of the GOP. Much like it took the GOP to give Obama Fast Track.

Third Way, war, fracking, means-testing Social Security - these are things I believe the GOP would be all too happy to help Hillary with, calling it "bipartisan".

So - whatever Bernie could get done is preferable, to me, to what Hillary might be able to get done. Either she will get some things done that I hate, or the GOP will spend four years obstructing her. How that can be seen as preferable to Bernie is beyond me.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
7. Given that Bernie and the republicans have no common ground
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

You think they will be any less obstructionists to him than they would to Hillary?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. Why would that matter, then?
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

Oh, and, yeah, they may be less obstructionist - they do not hate Bernie like they do Hillary.

And, if you are positing that the president will just be some sort of Queen of England figurehead - I would rather have Bernie.

Also - Hillary as CIC - scares the crap out of me.

So, whatever point you are laboring to make, it is not merely that I prefer Bernie as president - I do not want a Third Way militant Wall Street-hugging Hillary as President.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. Well said.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

It's pretty amazing that the Hillary supporters ask this question about Bernie, but apparently assume that she miraculously won't have any problems dealing with a Republican House and Senate. As if she has spent 25 years in Congress herself. Nope. That's Bernie.

Certainly, Hillary would accomplish nothing but "compromises", meaning cutting back Social Security, Medicare, the VA system, infrastructure funding and the like while happily sending off more of our young men and women to die and be maimed in foreign countries.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
10. And tell me what is Hillary going to get done?
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

The Republicans hate Hillary Clinton almost as much, or more, as they hate Obama.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
11. At the very least he won't "compromise" with Repubs.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

Playing the long game here. Gotta move the conversation left and hopefully over time we can pass more progressive legislation.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
12. It won't be any easier for Hillary.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

And at least we'd have someone in there fighting our fight. And we'll likely have the Senate back. And we work towards regaining the house down the line.

But again some of you have never gotten it. Most of us are not expecting Bernie to wave a magic and fix it all. It's a long game. It's about his ideas and policies. It's about fighting for a more fair and equal society/system. You guys are the ones who seem to think we expect him to perform miracles. He never promised that and we don't expect that.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
18. You might want to check with the rest of his supporters
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

I work with a lot of college students who are failing classes because they are too busy volunteering for the Sanders campaign to study....a majority of them are under the impression that their student loans will magically disappear and college will be free the moment Bernie is sworn in

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
29. So, are Hillary supporters smarter, or just less dedicated?
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

Do they support Hillary because they don't want help?

As a Texas blue dog, what improvements would you like to see in the system?

--imm

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
33. So what, really? So some of his supporters get disappointed.
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

Didn't faze Obama, did it? Not a good reason to support Hillary. Not by a million jillion light-years.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
16. I expect that,
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:57 PM
May 2016

should he get the nomination, we'll be not only working hard to elect him, but working hard to elect people that will work with him in Congress down ticket.

We'll be doing that either way.

I expect that, since he's only said it in almost every speech he gives, he'll be calling on us to be actively supporting his efforts, getting involved, contacting our Senators and reps, and generally growing grass-roots activism for his agenda.

I expect that, just as he gets respect from Republicans, and some votes from them as well, that some Congressional Rs will feel some pressure, as well.

I expect that he will not, as every neo-liberal Dem POTUS has since Bill Clinton, move us backwards, and he will fight, hard, to take steps forward. I expect that, while it will definitely be an uphill fight, together, we will make positive gains.

I will also point out that the only promise I've heard him make is to use Citizen's United as a litmus test for SC appointments. The rest? He's laid out an agenda, promised to fight for that agenda, and told us repeatedly that he can't do it alone. I know he'll keep that promise: he'll fight for us.

And we'll fight with him.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
19. Good Grief
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

This question has been hashed & rehashed, answered over and over, for nearly a year
now on DU and elsewhere. Could you Hillarians at least think of topics/questions that
haven't already been talked to death.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
20. Bernie biggest supporters are young people....
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

And now more than at any time in our past, we live in an age of instant gratification. If Sanders becomes President and cannot immediately deliver, disillusionment will be quick to set in.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
35. So what?
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:56 PM
May 2016

That's preferable to a bunch of Hillary supporters who would be, I presume, hap[py with all of her "compromises" with the GOP on things like Social Security. And then there is her propensity for war. Are you really looking forward to that?

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
21. The same congress who hates Hillary ?
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

Bernie has a better chance of seating a Democratic congress, by far ...

This question is so .... pedestrian .... You should have already known the answer ...

Pointless ...

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
34. Signing up as 'Txbluedog' is not exactly a claim to intellectualism.
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

But he gonna set us straight.

--imm

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
23. Is this rationale a reason to support a candidate who promises nothing?
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

We understand that he's promising to push, promote and advocate for legislation. We get that he's not a king.

Sanders has longer coattails to improve the odds of a Democratic Senate, but as we've seen, there's no reason to believe a democratic senate will be any more receptive to promoting the public interest.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
25. I live very near my Rep's office.
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

If he opposes or blocks anything Pres. Sanders proposes, I'll be on him like flies on shit on a hot summer day!

It's very easy to route my weekend errands to go by his office. I'll pop in and ask his staff, "What's going on here? Why is Rep. not doing anything about the Prez's new ideas? Get with it!! The people have spoken!!" And I will encourage any colleagues to do the same. And we'll do this over and over and over...

This approach differs than the "old way" when election time was coming and we all said, "Oh, another election." Then we listened to the pundits and read corporate media newspapers and magazine and let them tell us which person to vote for. And when the election was over, either our candidate won and we were happy, or lost and we were sad. Then we'd go back to the daily grind until the next election.

No more. Democracy is now a 24-hour-a-day, 365-day-a-year responsibility.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
28. Bernie has talked abou that many time. . . Go do some research and figure it out yourself
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

we're tired of explaining things to people who aren't really interested in knowing.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
36. How and what will Hillary get? Lets be honest
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

The Presidency does not matter, its the down ticket that is crucial, and Hillary has no support in the Congress, Bernie has worked so well as the amendment king with dems and republicans. Hillary has no respect and inspires corruption two fold. She wont even veto, she will keep working with lobbyists. She cannot change her spots

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
38. No it doesn't
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:47 AM
May 2016

As a Hillary supporter I asked the question of Bernie supporters--- you are free to start a thread asking the same Q of Hillary supporters

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
40. Txbluedog—Your question is flawed. But I will say…
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:51 AM
May 2016

A reason why Bernie Sanders voters like myself do not trust Hillary Clinton is that we think she would sign in for Republican Party-type policy details on passed bills.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
42. With his coattails, a Republican house and senate seem much more unlikely than
Mon May 16, 2016, 04:31 AM
May 2016

with Clinton's GE disaster verberating all the way down the ticket.

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