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Mon May 16, 2016, 11:23 AM

 

Bernie Sanders raising money off of false hopes - why aren't we SCREAMING about this?

Saw this in the Hillary Group and it reminded me to
to send a few more bucks to Bernie.

Thanks all!

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Reply Bernie Sanders raising money off of false hopes - why aren't we SCREAMING about this? (Original post)
Human101948 May 2016 OP
whatchamacallit May 2016 #1
CanadaexPat May 2016 #2
djean111 May 2016 #3
demwing May 2016 #13
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #31
snort May 2016 #24
Baobab May 2016 #33
liberal from boston May 2016 #52
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #6
artislife May 2016 #25
grasswire May 2016 #42
liberal from boston May 2016 #54
Sheepshank May 2016 #4
bkkyosemite May 2016 #19
Sheepshank May 2016 #51
tritsofme May 2016 #5
timmymoff May 2016 #39
tritsofme May 2016 #56
phleshdef May 2016 #7
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #9
phleshdef May 2016 #11
arcane1 May 2016 #21
leftynyc May 2016 #55
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #57
leftynyc May 2016 #58
Agschmid May 2016 #8
artislife May 2016 #27
Agschmid May 2016 #34
artislife May 2016 #35
Agschmid May 2016 #40
artislife May 2016 #43
NCTraveler May 2016 #10
ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #36
NCTraveler May 2016 #41
Skwmom May 2016 #12
Recursion May 2016 #14
NorthCarolina May 2016 #15
riversedge May 2016 #16
Bluenorthwest May 2016 #20
Txbluedog May 2016 #17
Human101948 May 2016 #18
arcane1 May 2016 #22
artislife May 2016 #28
Txbluedog May 2016 #44
artislife May 2016 #49
djean111 May 2016 #50
bigwillq May 2016 #23
snort May 2016 #26
KingFlorez May 2016 #29
Human101948 May 2016 #37
KingFlorez May 2016 #38
enid602 May 2016 #30
Fumesucker May 2016 #45
yourpaljoey May 2016 #32
highprincipleswork May 2016 #46
grasswire May 2016 #47
SpareribSP May 2016 #48
GreatGazoo May 2016 #53
Martin Eden May 2016 #59
Mnpaul May 2016 #60

Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:24 AM

1. They can scream all they want

it's not their money or their fucking business.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:26 AM

2. He should just run up a big debt

and then demand Clinton pay it in return for his endorsement if she wins. It worked for her.

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Response to CanadaexPat (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:28 AM

3. She is probably trying to figure out how she can get her hands on his money, and

 

keep it flowing, if she is the nominee. Not one penny from me, that's for sure.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #3)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:32 AM

13. Not one dime, not one time, not for Clinton

 

And as far as I can tell, Hillary supporters ARE screaming...

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Response to demwing (Reply #13)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:06 PM

31. Not one nickel from me for her

 

Another 27 for Bernie though

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Response to djean111 (Reply #3)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:59 AM

24. Damn straight.

Anyone who would give money to somebody worth 150 million is an idiot and part of the problem.

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Response to snort (Reply #24)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:08 PM

33. She has no shortage of money

nt

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Response to djean111 (Reply #3)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:16 PM

52. Go Bernie


Local news had a panel discussion on Presidential Primaries & Hillary surrogates pushing Bernie to quit -- consensus was Hillary wanted Sanders Campaign donations & list of his donations.

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Response to CanadaexPat (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:29 AM

6. That is common political practice.

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Response to artislife (Reply #25)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:27 PM

42. he paid the law enforcement overtime, too! nt

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Response to artislife (Reply #25)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:21 PM

54. Go Bernie


Also paid overtime for local police protection.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:28 AM

4. Just the other day, Bernie in a speech stating that "..we can still win the nomination".

 

yup lying and stealing from those that can least afford it.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #4)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:46 AM

19. What is with you jealous HRC Group supporters! We give because we CHOOSE to give!

We are intelligent and want the right candidate and we will fight to the end. Got it!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #19)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:52 PM

51. jealous? You really should stop trying to read minds, you're not very good at it n/t

 

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:29 AM

5. No one is stopping you from keeping Tad Devine's retirement accounts well funded.

I'm sure he really appreciates it!

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #5)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:15 PM

39. Are you mad because we are trying to stop the 1%

 

that loves to fund their corporate majesty?

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #39)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:26 PM

56. I'm not sure how you could have inferred anger from my post.

It's hard to be mad when you are laughing!

Tad needs just a tad bit more, keep it coming!

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:29 AM

7. Hillary Clinton raised money and stayed in until every vote was cast in 2008.

 

Did you scream about that then? I didn't. It didn't bother me one bit, as a 2008 Obama supporter.

I'm STILL donating to Bernie Sanders monthly even though I am fully aware of his chances (or lack there of). Its a thing of principle.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #7)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:30 AM

9. Actually, she stayed in long after it was clear she had lost.

In that, Sanders is exactly like Clinton.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:31 AM

11. That was the point I was making.

 

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:56 AM

21. She was hoping for a repeat of RFK. She pretty much said so n/t

 

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:23 PM

55. Spare me the bullshit

 

She was within 130 pledged delegates when she suspended her campaign and was MUCH closer than Bernie has ever been in this race. Why lie?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #55)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:40 PM

57. Not bullshitting. She faced the same problem then that Sanders faces now, proportional dispensation

of delegates. She was closer to Obama, but, like Sanders, she could never catch up.

She learned from that loss in 2008 and ran a campaign with that in mind. At no point since mid-March has her win in the primary ever been in doubt. There was no way anything short of a catastrophe that could change the outcome.

Excellent article from 538 "Clinton Is Following Obama’s Path To The Nomination"


And rather than throw around that accusation of lying, you might just ask why I think the way I do. I support Clinton.

The fact is the Democratic Primary system with its proportional dispensation of delegates makes it damn near impossible to beat a candidate with even a small lead in delegates in a 2 person race. If there had been 3 or 4 Candidate through March and into April, anyone could have won it. Once Clinton put away those wins in the South, the primary hasn't been in doubt.



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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #57)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:55 PM

58. She was MUCH closer than Bernie

 

and at the time the superdelegates hadn't committed so it was an entirely different situation. Entirely different. And she still suspended after the last primary (as I suspect Bernie will WANT to do - whether he does is up for grabs). I don't think it was obvious until MUCH later that Hillary didn't have a path.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:30 AM

8. More DMD.

Maybe you should spend less time reading the Hillary group and more time supporting your candidate.

OP's like this are a total waste.

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Response to artislife (Reply #27)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:09 PM

34. Yeah I know what I'm talking about.

Find a DMD OP where I call out the Sanders group... You can't.

I don't do it.

I don't participate in the bullshit around here, but I will certainly call people on their shit, as I've done with you.

Pot meet kettle.

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Response to artislife (Reply #35)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:22 PM

40. Or just don't injure people with your words.

Ever try that?

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:31 AM

10. I'm not screaming because it is not my money. I think it's foolish some are still sending money...

 

but it isn't coming out of my account. If his supporters want to continue spending their hard earned money that is on them. I don't get it but I don't have to. At this point it is a game of trickle up economics they are playing with no return.

I don't get the obsession over groups here.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #10)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:11 PM

36. If I want to continue donating to Bernie's campaign,

 

that's my business, and the business of others who feel the same. I'll continue donating to him as long as he's a candidate. Hillary Clinton will never get a penny from me, under any circumstances.

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Response to ThePhilosopher04 (Reply #36)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:24 PM

41. Exactly. Your money. Seems like it is an act in trickle up economics with no return....

 

but its not my money. It's better than sending it to Trump.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:31 AM

12. OMG the Irony.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:33 AM

14. Because it's not my damn business? Hell, I just sent $50 O'Malley's way.

To "retire his modest debt" or whatever. I don't really care. Do you?

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:33 AM

15. Bacause for far too many Americans,

 

hope is all they have thanks to politicians for the 1% like Hillary.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:33 AM

16. I look at it this way-Sanders is a big spender and is pushing $$ into the US economy.

Continue on.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #16)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:48 AM

20. Hillary's losing 08 campaign ended with millions of dollars of debt, mostly to Mark Penn. After

 

she was Sec of State she could not raise funds so that was done for her, funds were raised on her behalf and other people's money was used to pay for her all the way to the last day campaign push. It was millions of dollars.

So when your own candidate has that sort of history, as do most in politics it's really just the way of the world right now, your specific objections to Bernie seem biased and not politically. Dog whistle city.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:38 AM

17. I have a yuuuge problem with this.....

 

Maybe Bernie supporters here on DU have the money to spare, but I work with loads of college kids who are giving money away in the false hope that Bernie still can win. And that's why it is nothing more than grifting to me by the Sanders campaign. If he wants to be truthful that he has no feasible path to the nomination and then ask for donation to keep his "movement" alive that's one thing, but to give false hope to utterly naive people is another and extremely unacceptable

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #17)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:43 AM

18. They are making an investment in their future...

 

They are proving that politicians do not have to be the lapdogs of the billionaires and corporations so they can run for office while promising voters that they will change things when they only end up serving those billionaires and corporations.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

In English: the wealthy few move policy, while the average American has little power.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #17)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:57 AM

22. Your concern is noted. And fake. n/t

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #28)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:36 PM

44. Yes

 

The semester just ended and we had a rash of students who started coming in saying they could'nt complete their course work because they were too busy worrying about and stressing/volunteering for the Sanders campaign

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #44)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:15 PM

50. So you are here to stop Bernie, and his supporters, in their tracks?

 

Interesting. You obviously cannot even dictate to a few students, yet you think you are having any effect, besides entertainment value, here at DU? That's either a bit unbelievable, or a bit delusional.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:59 AM

23. People are free to do what they want with their money

 

I have no issue with Bernie, or anyone else, raising money. If you want to give, give. If you don't, don't.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #23)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:02 PM

26. Oh My God!

A reasonable response. I'm not sure how to deal.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:04 PM

29. A fool and their money are soon parted

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #29)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:11 PM

37. Sorry you are broke!

 

Especially since you seem to be royalty. Maybe a GoFundMe campaign?

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #37)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:13 PM

38. I'm good, thanks

It wasn't me that I was referring to.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:04 PM

30. prize

Maybe they'll offer a big prize for the lasr donor.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #30)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:36 PM

45. Is it as big a prize as the last man to die for a lie gets?

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:06 PM

32. Please serve up a side of pepidew greens with those pigs feet!

We need our greens!

Thank you!
This has been a Public Service Announcement.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:37 PM

46. I'd like to know what business it is of theirs? We want him to run and keep running. We want to

 

support him with time and energy and money.

They are just anxious because it's not truly over.

It's kind of disgusting, really, to drip their anxiety all over the place into other people's business.

If you want to be helpful, use your time and energy to find ways to include the Bernie voters into your agenda, your convention, and your Party in case Hillary does win. That would be the smart thing to do.

Oh, I know, you are going to win the general election on your own. Wow, I've had so much experience in life with "winners" who can't get along with others enough to get valuable things done. Could this become just one other exercise like that?

Personally, I think so. But if you think screaming at us, trying to prevent us from doing what we want, defiling our candidate, using gestapo tactics to run conventions contrary to Robert's Rule of Order are productive, I guess I can't stop you.

But we could have a Progressive juggernaut this year, if only the two sides would band together. Unfortunately, the price of our admission is for Hillary and the other powers that be to prove they are legitimately Progressive. And either they can't or won't commit.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:39 PM

47. it's really none of their business nt

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:42 PM

48. I don't care if Bernie doesn't win

The message is more important. Even if he loses, showing that a large population support his ideals is important. It'll make it easier to have progressive candidates in the future. I'm not being duped, and I'm sure that's the common case.

Please tell me to feel the math, I'll go donate again

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:18 PM

53. False hope would be paying $225,000 for a "speech" and getting only a speech.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 10:47 PM

59. Hope is false. Resistance is futile.

You will be assimilated.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 10:57 PM

60. Win or lose

Bernie's speeches are driving the conversation in this election. At least two Republicans(Trump and Stuart Mills) are speaking out against unfair trade deals. And that right there is worth the money.

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