Bernie Sanders raising money off of false hopes - why aren't we SCREAMING about this?

[Human101948]

Saw this in the Hillary Group and it reminded me to
to send a few more bucks to Bernie.

Thanks all!

[whatchamacallit]

1. They can scream all they want

it's not their money or their fucking business.

[CanadaexPat]

2. He should just run up a big debt

and then demand Clinton pay it in return for his endorsement if she wins. It worked for her.

[djean111]

3. She is probably trying to figure out how she can get her hands on his money, and

keep it flowing, if she is the nominee. Not one penny from me, that's for sure.

[demwing]

13. Not one dime, not one time, not for Clinton

And as far as I can tell, Hillary supporters ARE screaming...

[Duckhunter935]

31. Not one nickel from me for her

Another 27 for Bernie though

[snort]

24. Damn straight.

Anyone who would give money to somebody worth 150 million is an idiot and part of the problem.

[Baobab]

33. She has no shortage of money

nt

[liberal from boston]

52. Go Bernie

Local news had a panel discussion on Presidential Primaries & Hillary surrogates pushing Bernie to quit -- consensus was Hillary wanted Sanders Campaign donations & list of his donations.

[Agnosticsherbet]

6. That is common political practice.

[grasswire]

42. he paid the law enforcement overtime, too! nt

[liberal from boston]

54. Go Bernie

Also paid overtime for local police protection.

[Sheepshank]

4. Just the other day, Bernie in a speech stating that "..we can still win the nomination".

yup lying and stealing from those that can least afford it.

[bkkyosemite]

19. What is with you jealous HRC Group supporters! We give because we CHOOSE to give!

We are intelligent and want the right candidate and we will fight to the end. Got it!

[Sheepshank]

51. jealous? You really should stop trying to read minds, you're not very good at it n/t

[tritsofme]

5. No one is stopping you from keeping Tad Devine's retirement accounts well funded.

I'm sure he really appreciates it!

[timmymoff]

39. Are you mad because we are trying to stop the 1%

that loves to fund their corporate majesty?

[tritsofme]

56. I'm not sure how you could have inferred anger from my post.

It's hard to be mad when you are laughing!

Tad needs just a tad bit more, keep it coming!

[phleshdef]

7. Hillary Clinton raised money and stayed in until every vote was cast in 2008.

Did you scream about that then? I didn't. It didn't bother me one bit, as a 2008 Obama supporter.

I'm STILL donating to Bernie Sanders monthly even though I am fully aware of his chances (or lack there of). Its a thing of principle.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. Actually, she stayed in long after it was clear she had lost.

In that, Sanders is exactly like Clinton.

[phleshdef]

11. That was the point I was making.

[arcane1]

21. She was hoping for a repeat of RFK. She pretty much said so n/t

[leftynyc]

55. Spare me the bullshit

She was within 130 pledged delegates when she suspended her campaign and was MUCH closer than Bernie has ever been in this race. Why lie?

[Agnosticsherbet]

57. Not bullshitting. She faced the same problem then that Sanders faces now, proportional dispensation

of delegates. She was closer to Obama, but, like Sanders, she could never catch up.

She learned from that loss in 2008 and ran a campaign with that in mind. At no point since mid-March has her win in the primary ever been in doubt. There was no way anything short of a catastrophe that could change the outcome.

Excellent article from 538 "Clinton Is Following Obama’s Path To The Nomination"


And rather than throw around that accusation of lying, you might just ask why I think the way I do. I support Clinton.

The fact is the Democratic Primary system with its proportional dispensation of delegates makes it damn near impossible to beat a candidate with even a small lead in delegates in a 2 person race. If there had been 3 or 4 Candidate through March and into April, anyone could have won it. Once Clinton put away those wins in the South, the primary hasn't been in doubt.

[leftynyc]

58. She was MUCH closer than Bernie

and at the time the superdelegates hadn't committed so it was an entirely different situation. Entirely different. And she still suspended after the last primary (as I suspect Bernie will WANT to do - whether he does is up for grabs). I don't think it was obvious until MUCH later that Hillary didn't have a path.

[Agschmid]

8. More DMD.

Maybe you should spend less time reading the Hillary group and more time supporting your candidate.

OP's like this are a total waste.

[Agschmid]

34. Yeah I know what I'm talking about.

Find a DMD OP where I call out the Sanders group... You can't.

I don't do it.

I don't participate in the bullshit around here, but I will certainly call people on their shit, as I've done with you.

Pot meet kettle.

[Agschmid]

40. Or just don't injure people with your words.

Ever try that?

[NCTraveler]

10. I'm not screaming because it is not my money. I think it's foolish some are still sending money...

but it isn't coming out of my account. If his supporters want to continue spending their hard earned money that is on them. I don't get it but I don't have to. At this point it is a game of trickle up economics they are playing with no return.

I don't get the obsession over groups here.

[ThePhilosopher04]

36. If I want to continue donating to Bernie's campaign,

that's my business, and the business of others who feel the same. I'll continue donating to him as long as he's a candidate. Hillary Clinton will never get a penny from me, under any circumstances.

[NCTraveler]

41. Exactly. Your money. Seems like it is an act in trickle up economics with no return....

but its not my money. It's better than sending it to Trump.

[Skwmom]

12. OMG the Irony.

[Recursion]

14. Because it's not my damn business? Hell, I just sent $50 O'Malley's way.

To "retire his modest debt" or whatever. I don't really care. Do you?

[NorthCarolina]

15. Bacause for far too many Americans,

hope is all they have thanks to politicians for the 1% like Hillary.

[riversedge]

16. I look at it this way-Sanders is a big spender and is pushing $$ into the US economy.

Continue on.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. Hillary's losing 08 campaign ended with millions of dollars of debt, mostly to Mark Penn. After

she was Sec of State she could not raise funds so that was done for her, funds were raised on her behalf and other people's money was used to pay for her all the way to the last day campaign push. It was millions of dollars.

So when your own candidate has that sort of history, as do most in politics it's really just the way of the world right now, your specific objections to Bernie seem biased and not politically. Dog whistle city.

[Txbluedog]

17. I have a yuuuge problem with this.....

Maybe Bernie supporters here on DU have the money to spare, but I work with loads of college kids who are giving money away in the false hope that Bernie still can win. And that's why it is nothing more than grifting to me by the Sanders campaign. If he wants to be truthful that he has no feasible path to the nomination and then ask for donation to keep his "movement" alive that's one thing, but to give false hope to utterly naive people is another and extremely unacceptable

[Human101948]

18. They are making an investment in their future...

They are proving that politicians do not have to be the lapdogs of the billionaires and corporations so they can run for office while promising voters that they will change things when they only end up serving those billionaires and corporations.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

In English: the wealthy few move policy, while the average American has little power.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

[arcane1]

22. Your concern is noted. And fake. n/t

[Txbluedog]

44. Yes

The semester just ended and we had a rash of students who started coming in saying they could'nt complete their course work because they were too busy worrying about and stressing/volunteering for the Sanders campaign

[djean111]

50. So you are here to stop Bernie, and his supporters, in their tracks?

Interesting. You obviously cannot even dictate to a few students, yet you think you are having any effect, besides entertainment value, here at DU? That's either a bit unbelievable, or a bit delusional.

[bigwillq]

23. People are free to do what they want with their money

I have no issue with Bernie, or anyone else, raising money. If you want to give, give. If you don't, don't.

[snort]

26. Oh My God!

A reasonable response. I'm not sure how to deal.

[KingFlorez]

29. A fool and their money are soon parted

[Human101948]

37. Sorry you are broke!

Especially since you seem to be royalty. Maybe a GoFundMe campaign?

[KingFlorez]

38. I'm good, thanks

It wasn't me that I was referring to.

[enid602]

30. prize

Maybe they'll offer a big prize for the lasr donor.

[Fumesucker]

45. Is it as big a prize as the last man to die for a lie gets?

[yourpaljoey]

32. Please serve up a side of pepidew greens with those pigs feet!

We need our greens!

Thank you!
This has been a Public Service Announcement.

[highprincipleswork]

46. I'd like to know what business it is of theirs? We want him to run and keep running. We want to

support him with time and energy and money.

They are just anxious because it's not truly over.

It's kind of disgusting, really, to drip their anxiety all over the place into other people's business.

If you want to be helpful, use your time and energy to find ways to include the Bernie voters into your agenda, your convention, and your Party in case Hillary does win. That would be the smart thing to do.

Oh, I know, you are going to win the general election on your own. Wow, I've had so much experience in life with "winners" who can't get along with others enough to get valuable things done. Could this become just one other exercise like that?

Personally, I think so. But if you think screaming at us, trying to prevent us from doing what we want, defiling our candidate, using gestapo tactics to run conventions contrary to Robert's Rule of Order are productive, I guess I can't stop you.

But we could have a Progressive juggernaut this year, if only the two sides would band together. Unfortunately, the price of our admission is for Hillary and the other powers that be to prove they are legitimately Progressive. And either they can't or won't commit.

[grasswire]

47. it's really none of their business nt

[SpareribSP]

48. I don't care if Bernie doesn't win

The message is more important. Even if he loses, showing that a large population support his ideals is important. It'll make it easier to have progressive candidates in the future. I'm not being duped, and I'm sure that's the common case.

Please tell me to feel the math, I'll go donate again

[GreatGazoo]

53. False hope would be paying $225,000 for a "speech" and getting only a speech.

[Martin Eden]

59. Hope is false. Resistance is futile.

You will be assimilated.

[Mnpaul]

60. Win or lose

Bernie's speeches are driving the conversation in this election. At least two Republicans(Trump and Stuart Mills) are speaking out against unfair trade deals. And that right there is worth the money.