Hillary Clinton will lose in the General Election

[Seeinghope]

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I thought that if she received the nomination she might win because so many of the Republicans seemed generally appalled that Trump would be the nominee. I thought that maybe, just maybe those Republicans would stay home or vote for Hillary Clinton but, of course I am wrong.
In true lizard colors they all fell in together and are lining up behind Trump. That is one thing that I most despise about that party. They'd have no minds of their own. They could follow any REPUBLICAN candidate no matter how disgusting, sexist, racist, inexperienced, dishonest, thin skinned......... They are robots. Is he a Republican? O.K. I'll vote for him. Period. That is as far as their little thought process goes.

Now it will be the relentless attacks against Hillary Clinton and the impeachment if she does get into the White House (which if he is in the GE with the full party behind him, she won't).

Either way we are so screwed. Trump knows no boundaries when it comes to what comes out of his mouth in attacks and the Republicans know no boundaries when it comes to the hatred of the Clinton's. The other day I just saw a pretty damning list of 50 things that were all about the "scandals" back when Bill Clinton was running for and President of the United States. They haven't even got to the year 2000 yet.

What about Hillary Clinton's support from Wall Street? Doesn't Trump have a few friends there as well? Will that cut into her financial donations?

How can one party have that kind of mind control over their members? We all witnessed the outrage and fear regarding Trump being THE nominee. Now that he is, they all fell into lock step immediately. With that massive type of support and control what will stop him? He already had the most media coverage during the Primaries........

[yallerdawg]

1. The Republicans backed McCain.

The Republicans backed Romney.

Who cares what the Republicans do?

It is our election to win!

[Ohioblue22]

3. And ours to lose

[BillZBubb]

4. Independents didn't back them. And they won't back Hillary.

Oh, and in case you didn't notice, Hillary isn't Obama. Not even close.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. Their feelings and personal needs "trump" the existence of the human race, i know

[GreatGazoo]

44. You got that right.

[JaneyVee]

96. Obama won without independents or white males.

Trump doesnt stand a chance.

[MariaThinks]

109. Obama wasn't Obama when he ran

[BillZBubb]

110. WRONG!

He had totally energized the base when he first ran and pulled in a lot independents. He was a rock star in that first campaign.

[BillZBubb]

2. We can fall into lock step behind Hillary!

And it we do, we won't be like the republicans, no, no. Because we're not all mindless sheep like them!

[GoneFishin]

54. We are not sheep. When we goose step behind Hillary and ignore her war mongering, her IWAV, sucking

up to banksters, support of fracking, TPP, and the coup in Honduras, her stonewalling on tuition free state college and single payer health care, we are doing it because of our compassion for our fellow man.

[puffy socks]

78. They get seats

Apparently that escapes you.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. NO impeachment, and either you are working day and night against a Drumpf presidency

or you are not.

[chknltl]

7. Plus the media backs Trump

The media got Teflon Trump to where he is by 24/7 coverage. That coverage hasn't stopped.

[corkhead]

32. You mean like "The Donald Trump Show Starring Rachel Maddow"

[yourpaljoey]

8. Unless Trump throws it. Either way we are in the soup. Deep soup.

[B Calm]

9. The only way she'll win is with the help of not insane republicans,

and that's a very real possibility seeing how she is a DINO.

[CanadaexPat]

103. I think that will be her strategy. An anti-Trump

coalition, so the election is not about her. That's why I think she'll pick a Repub as VP.

[B Calm]

105. Republican VP, Debbie Wasserman Shultz?

[CanadaexPat]

107. Yes, maybe a super-DINO. But probably a Repub.

Read: a guaranteed shre of the spoils.

[Fozzledick]

10. I've thought for years that the Republicans would vote for Adolf Hitler if he ran as a Republican

and advocated for tax cuts.

I hate it when they prove me right. Looks like Trump figured it out.

[underthematrix]

11. People of color have got this. We're gonna

make sure Hillary Clinton wins the general. We get it. There's very little daylight between Trump and Bernie supporters.

[Seeinghope]

14. Then you haven't been listening to both candidates closely or you won't hear both candidates closely

[underthematrix]

49. I have been READING about both candidates. I just

made a different choice. The attempt of Bernie supporters to de-legitimize Hillary Clinton's primary wins is very much like the GOP and other racists trying to de-legitimize President Obama for the past eight years.

When I cast my primary ballot in CA on June 7, 2016, I will be voting for the MOST qualified Democratic presidential candidate and that's Hillary Clinton. It doesn't mean you can't vote for Bernie. I'm not mad at you for voting for Bernie. This is the process. We vote. We caucus. And end up with a nominee. During the nominating process, we don't delegitimize the winner by calling into question the results of the process because our candidate didn't win.

My hatred of Bernie has multiplied and increased to the heat from a quintillion suns but if he wins the nomination I would vote for him because I refuse to vote for a NAZI. And not voting because my candidate didn't win is not an option. I'm not that mean. If you can vote for the NAZI or stay home in the general this is more about how you FEEL than how you THINK. It means you lack compassion for your fellow man and to me that's more disturbing then the hateful racist sexist xenophobic speech of the mentally disturbed GOP presumptive nominee.

Unlike you, I feel a responsibility to the millions of people who have health insurance, to the millions of LGTB peeps who have equal protection under the law, to the students with overwhelming student loan debt, to the Muslim Americans who have a right to practice their religion free from fear of harm, to my Mexican American brothers and sisters who have a right to a SPEEDY and fair pathway to citizenship. After all half of the United States used to be Mexican territory.

But the most rabid Bernie supporters can't seem to hate Clinton and still vote for her. That to me is all kinds of crazy. I don't live in your privileged universe where I can throw away all our hard fought progress because I'm mad my candidate isn't the nominee.

[Seeinghope]

92. Not so simple. It is more like choosing to take choosing to have terminal cancer or take poison

You have 3 ways to go and one has been taken from you by the establishment in numerous ways .... Some illegal. The poison and cancer are all that are being served up. Why do I have to choose either one of them when my choice was taken from me? My choice didn't lose, my choice had their opportunity taken from them because they did not conform to the establishment's way of doing things.

For decades I have wished and hoped that something would happen where we would get a chance to change the horrible things that are happening in our country, I hoped that somehow we could wrestle the power back from the financiers and corporations and Washington to the population of this country. Finally somebody comes forward who gives us this chance and the so called "Democrats" don't want to support him. The DNC does what they can to make it as hard as possible for his candidacy to survive. Yet this candidate does beyond any bodies expectation. Why? Because this is what the real people want. There are robots in the Republican Party and I guess in the Democratic Party as well/another name The Establishment.....hardcore. Don't ruffle the establishment feathers. The preordained candidate with 8 years of elected public office ..no great accomplishes and then the consolation prize of being named as Secretary of State (since she lost President of the United States race) again no great record....in fact a dismal record. Yet you say she is "best qualified"?

She will be investigated for the donations made to The Clinton Foundation by foreign country's while she was Secretary of State. Those same countries also coincidentally got arms contracts from the State Department. There is the investigation from the FBI about the emails and her server and the lies about the emails that were not turned over. Hillary Clinton has all but said Syria and Iran are on the chopping block and we most likely will be taking military action against them. She is still hiding the transcripts for the speeches. WHY?

Yet you act all high and mighty because you chose somebody like this and so did so many others?

Numbers don't mean everything, all you have to do is look at the frontrunner on the Republican side, he has the numbers too. I bet they are using the same argument to make sure that all of the Republicans vote for Trump just like you are using for Hillary Clinton. It really makes me sick.

[underthematrix]

93. LOL! No one is ever going to reach the President Obama standard. Never.

But Hillary Clinton is the most qualified and most likely to act in the public interest. We can see that by the way she has responded to all the anger, vitriol, hate, lies, and violence from Bernie supporters. Bernie's public discourse hasn't done anything to discourage it.

Goldman-Sachs purchased HRC speaking services. It seems to me they belong to Goldman-Sachs. Why not contact them and request the transcripts.

Your life seems to be filled with fantasies of taking HRC down. It is what it is.

[Seeinghope]

97. Have you actually read the contract for her speeches with Goldman Sachs and all of the other Wall

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Street? I suppose not so why don't you forget the attitude on that.

Again, qualified.....again 8 years Jr. senator. No major accomplishments. Secretary of State Libya fiasco, Honduras disaster, Haiti tragedy, Syrian threat, now Iranian threat.. Using server in basement for emails that were possible breach of national security and then lied about how many e-mails that were turned over for investigations. A problem that was serious enough for the FBI to open investigation to see if laws were actually broken. Sidney Blumenthal stayed on as advisor he was not approved to be advising her and told any information on the day to day business of the State department. She also paid him thru The Clinton Foundation.

That is why the Bernie Sanders supporters do not want this person in the White House. This is just a few of many many reasons. The media blackout of Bernie Sanders. The garbage at the primaries. The DNC preferential treatment and obvious working for The Clintons. Do you think that the Bernie Sanders supporters are suppose to just sit there and shrug their shoulders? You see how (in defense of Hillary Clinton) Bill Clinton gets angry and does the glaring finger wagging thing, makes crazy comments and goes off at times and they don't have anything thrown at them near what Bernie Sanders and his supporters have had to deal with since the beginning of the campaign.

How do you fight the rigged systems? How much anger is a person suppose to hold? You can just watch history and see what happens when people are oppressed and repressed. Over a period of time a revolt takes place and excuse me if it isn't pretty. Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State didn't mind violence when solving problems on the world stage even if it meant thousands of innocent lives were lost. Are those lives worth less some how than lives in this country? I think showing anger at what is happening in this primary is totally understandable. On the other hand the violence that Hillary Clinton uses so easily is not.

Bernie Sanders is and has been consistently and proven to be a supporter and worker for the rights of people, everyday people. He has passed more bills and been called "The Amendment King" in Washington. He has held elective office for over 30+ years and worked his way up.

I don't support a candidate that does not support the middle class and the poor. That is what the Republicans are all about. Hillary Clinton is a hawk and Wall Street insider and will first and foremost take care of her friends. There will be a few crumbs thrown out to make her look good to the common people.

I'll do what I will do to fight for what is right for this country and that sure as Hell is not support the Clintons.

[underthematrix]

99. You reside in a universe I can't penetrate with facts and reason.

You seem to think the world is an either/or proposition. From my perspective the world is complicated with many constantly moving pieces. Bernie has constructed this extremely simplistic view of change in which he is asking us to make him president of a system he claims is corrupt. And if he's saying he can make massive changes while running this corrupt system, he's either deluding his supporters or himself or both.


I want to mention one other thing that seems so obvious to me. Bernie supporters are constantly asking that Clinton release audio and/or video of her paid speeches to Goldman-Sachs and other Wall Streeters. The claim is HRC was paid at least $250,000 per speech and Bernie supporters want to know what was said. So if Goldman-Sachs purchased a speech from Clinton wouldn't they be the owners of the speech? And when you pay that amount of money, no one will ever hear what was said. "Speeches" by high powered types like Clinton are not so much speeches as they are networking opportunities. I think this is a good thing.

[Seeinghope]

100. You miss the part where he says "we". This will take his expertise of the system and the power

of the people. Bernie Sanders is one of the most successful members of the Senate and Congress. He knows what it will take. That is why he uses the term "Revolution". He knows that his goals won't be able to be done just within the system it will be have to be done by the pressure of the people getting together and fighting the system with him.

He talks about his goals simply and clearly. No double talk. He knows what it is going to take, he has been fighting for these types of things his entire life and career. All you have to do is to look at his record as a working Public Servant. I repeat repeat "servant". While he was working and fighting for things to help the poor and middle class, women and vets he wasn't also working to make himself rich like the Clintons. He was truly a public "SERVANT" working full time for the people. That is why he has such a long list of accomplishments and it would be even longer if he cared to make sure his name was associated to the bill or Ammendment but no he just wanted passage. Looking at Hillary Clinton "accomplishments" may take a page if that.

The facts are the facts.

Again as far as the speeches goes. Clinton had iron tight security regarding the access to the speeches. There was a contract like there would be for any other business transaction. There certainly were stipulations from the Clintons. Just like there are for interviews with celebrities. She made multiple speeches to Wall Street Corporations. There was not suppose to be video, cell phone....anything that would record the speech. Another thing, why does she have to network with Wall Street? What are her interests with them? She knew that she was going to run for President of the United States. She did in 2008. Do you think that she wasn't seriously considering it in in 2016? Yet she was on Wall Street networking.......

Another fact Sanders made Speeches that he was paid for. He wasn't paid anywhere near the amount of money that Hillary Clinton was. He didn't keep the money either. He donated it to a worthy cause.

The one thing that we agree on is that the world is a complicated place. The question though comes down to who do you vote for? The choice is 3 people....possibly. So you have to make some kind of decisions on some of these things in order to help make a decision to vote. You will be using what you hope are facts, some are making conclusions by learning about and watching everything else around us. That is all that we really have on voting day. Things may change between now and then....who knows.

Though at this time I know what I know and unless things change this is where I am and this is where I'll stay.

[underthematrix]

101. I want HRC networking on WALL STREET

because most people work for those companies on WALL STREET and most us consume the products they produce which increases their power.

Bernie is disliked by most members of the DEM caucus. Seriously, they don't like him. What bills has Bernie sponsored and gotten passed?

[Seeinghope]

104. Do you actually want me to do your work for you?

I did say that he also worked behind the scenes to get bills passed even if his name wasn't on them just to get them passed. They produce products that we consume?
As far as the Wall Street thing. Really? They produce products?

[yourout]

33. Really?......what planet are you living on.

[underthematrix]

50. You have to write more because that doesn't tell me anything

[yourout]

63. "There's very little daylight between Trump and Bernie supporters..."

Last time I checked I was not a racist homophobic asshole.

[underthematrix]

67. The commonality Bernie and Trump supporters seem to

share is anger, suspicion of government and violence as a means of expressing their anger

[yourout]

68. "violence as a means of expressing their anger.." you just keep digging.

[underthematrix]

69. This my opinion based on what I've read.

We don't have to agree.

[Loudestlib]

83. This guy seems pretty angry.

"A fervent Hillary Clinton supporter, Pierce reportedly “got upset” when a woman he was speaking with declared her support for the senator from Vermont. Pierce allegedly pushed the woman’s boyfriend, grabbed her hair and hit her on the head"

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[underthematrix]

84. Is it his color that makes you think that because there's actually research on that

I was going to post this article so I'm glad you did. This is what I mean. He's a dark skin AA man and voila he get's arrested for "assaulting" a female Bernie supporter. Wendell Pierce who grew up in a middle class black family and graduated from the Julliard School has deal with this crap at the peak of his career. He has to give a commencement address (his decision) because of this madness.

This is why I said in another post no BLACK person should be standing outside with Bernie supporters protesting the convention because if you're black this is how it ends for you.

[Number23]

85. OMG!! They finally found one Hillary supporter that has acted half as stupidly as the BB's

And he's a BROTHER so that makes all of this even more juicy. What that guy did was ridiculous, but the same folks that were quiet as farts in church when the #bernisoblack hast tag was created to document the unabashed stalking of minority social media users and when black women attendees at Netroots Nation REPEATEDLY noted that they were made to feel unsafe by white, male Sanders supporters have now decided that they are all over this story.

Sanders supporters create web sites with addresses and phone numbers of super delegates and get arrested for making threats? That's just democracy in action! Sooky sooky now!

Watch out for the ones burning calories trying to make this into such a huge deal. Will tell you all you need to know.

[Loudestlib]

88. .

". OMG!! They finally found one Hillary supporter that has acted half as stupidly"

I think I found another.

[Number23]

94. Half is still better than whole. And you guys have cornered the WHOLE market on that for a generatio

At the very fucking least.

[underthematrix]

89. I don't believe the Bernie femal supporter. Wendell had a witness and

as I also suggested there may be video of the hallways of the hotel. Nowadays, hotels have video on elevators, stairwells, and hallways.

Were any of the "white" males arrested that made the black women feel unsafe?

[jack_krass]

106. I witnessed it. He did nothing wrong

She beat the shit out of his fist with her face

[Loudestlib]

87. I posted it because he's a Hillary support and it just happened.

You have an interesting history: "my posts were hidden because they either offended white Bernie supporters or offended white DU members."

Survey shows Clinton supporters are more aggressive online than Sanders supporters

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/online-incivility-study-bernie-bro/

[underthematrix]

90. Interesting article.

I'm responding to a Bernie troll on the HRC #ImWithHer right now.

[Number23]

95. Let me guess, those are online surveys? And Lord knows Sanders supporters are not laughably

well known for trolling/gaming those, right??

'Clinton supporters more aggressive than Sanders supporters' say online polls voted in 27 times each by Sanders supporters. Classic.

[jack_krass]

112. I think in your own ingenious way, you're implying that Bernie supporters

are racists...

"no BLACK person should be standing outside with Bernie supporters "

What if the BLACK person *is* a Bernie supporer. Quite the quandry! huh?

[corkhead]

38. RE your profile, I see you haven't stopped offending Bernie supporters

I hope your prediction isn't as off the mark as the rest of your comment.

[underthematrix]

51. I think Bernie supporters are angry. I think anything that doesn't lead to their

nominee winning is not gonna be a legitimate result for them.

[Marr]

76. Do you know why they're called 'minorities'?

Nevermind. It will become clear when the votes are being counted.

[underthematrix]

82. LOL!

[Mike Nelson]

12. Republicans are easy to predict...

...but the Clintons have had their political obituary written many, many times.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Trump will need to win 65% ???, 66% ??? 67% ??? of the white vote

Only Ronald Reagan has ever reached those lofty numbers and he didn't crap all over women.

I don't believe he can reach it.

[CorkySt.Clair]

15. Willard got 60 percent in 2012

And still got smoked by more than 120 EC votes.

[auntpurl]

17. Aw. And Mittens was a sterling candidate compared to Trump.

Never gonna happen. And I have to say I am so sick of the Trump humping posts like the OP.

[CorkySt.Clair]

19. Couldn't agree more with your last senstence

The Berners act as if Trump has no challenges. It's quite ludicrous.

[Seeinghope]

23. How about talking about things with an open mind instead of just throwing accusations?

This doesn't contribute anything positive to the discussion. Jumping to the conclusion that you did shows me that you cannot explore the whole picture.

[auntpurl]

25. Yeah, ok.

You posted an OP that said the Democrats would lose the election because Trump has such strong support amongst Republicans. Which is quantifiably untrue, but anyway. What is the point of YOUR post? Doom and gloom?

[Seeinghope]

47. Since you admittedly missed the point, I wanted to know how, why the Republicans could so easily

Fall into lock step when they were so adamantly against him?

[leftynyc]

37. You mean with the same kind

of open mind like your OP where you posted your opinion as fact? Does hypocrisy figure in your world at all?

[Dawgs]

29. You're assuming that Hillary will do as well as Obama.

She won't.

[CorkySt.Clair]

31. Thanks Nostradamus

That's actually not what I'm assuming at all. We were talking about Willard's numbers with whites and how that equated to getting smoked. You guys don't like that 2012 stat do you?

[Dawgs]

34. "Still got smoked" brings Obama's votes into it.

So, you failed.. again.

[CorkySt.Clair]

39. "You failed again"

Says the guy who backed the LOSER in the 2016 Dem nomination race.

You can pick up your participation trophy backstage.

[Dawgs]

46. Sorry.

Didn't realize I was dealing with someone with that was perfect.

[scscholar]

81. You only think that because Trump's supporters are so loud, like...

Bernie's supporters. If you went by volume, you'd think Bernie had 80% of the vote.

[Seeinghope]

16. We can only hope.

But Clinton hate goes a long way and Trump has a lot of new voters signed up as well as Independents.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. That is an incredibly high burden.

[underthematrix]

53. He can't reach that because there's just too much stuff out there ON TAPE

concerning the way he has treated women. But also add to the fact he's gonna need more of the children of the poor and working class to fight his wars.

[KingFlorez]

21. If she cheats so much, isn't she guaranteed a win?

We've been seeing so much about how Hillary Clinton cheats, so if that is really true she'll have no issue beating Trump.

[B Calm]

22. You may be right.

[Seeinghope]

26. I have though about that...really...but Bernie didn't publicly go after her whereas Trump will

definetly go after her on it.

[bahrbearian]

27. Practice makes Perfect

[NCTraveler]

24. She will lose. Lets talk impeachment. This is just getting to good.

The desperation has really made the messages fun to read. They don't even stay consistent from paragraph to paragraph.

[Seeinghope]

28. There is this magic word called "If". Look it up If you don't understand what it means

I threw that in there to cover my bases as well.

[NCTraveler]

30. I understand if better than you think I do.

Sanders campaign options include about a thousand of them when discussing their chances and their means to steal the vote. If. It didn't cover your bases as you attempted. I love the trend of "if".

[Ferd Berfel]

35. THen there's the October Surprise

bomb that the republicans will drop - the Transcripts

[Seeinghope]

52. Oh,, I thought you were going to say something about the FBI and her e-mails.

[Ferd Berfel]

65. and if there's any way in earth that they can add that - they will.

don't you think?

[bunchofpenguins]

36. DNC doesn't care about democracy.

Debbie has already said that she doesn't like grassroots activism and has been actively doing all she can to subvert democracy and crown the queen and now you toss election fraud on top?

How do they expect to have any success in the general when they've constantly crapped all over and dismissed liberals every step of the way?

[jwirr]

48. I'll tell you how they expect it. Their opponent is Trump. They

know we do not want him any more than they do. So my friend they are assuming that Bernie will be able to persuade us to vote for her because there is no one else to vote for. That is how they expect to win.

But I think they are ignoring a couple of things. They are ignoring that it has always taken independents to win the GE and a lot of Independents are tired of being taken for granted. Many of them have not been voting for years past and will stop again. And there are a lot of us life long Democrats and young Democrats who feel the same way.

For years I watched the elections in the USSR - great turn out. The winner won by huge margins but nothing changed. They went to the elections because they were forced to. Unless the line-up of brown shirts at the NV state convention are going to go door to door and force people to vote that will not happen in the USA. We are more likely to tell both parties to shove it.

They are also ignoring that the populous is awake again. We are seeing what Hillay and Bill were up to from the very beginning and we do not like it. We are so fed up we do not see her as much better than Trump. When push comes to shove we see nothing to vote for except Bernie.

I think our super-delegates had better get the message. Things are different today. We hate the Rs but we are NOT pleased with you either. You are selling us out. And if we do not do something now it will be too late.

No one else to vote for? If the party does not wise up and make real changes before the convention there is some else - he's called nobody.

[Seeinghope]

111. You sound about like me. I am so over the games that they play and treating us like sheep to

herd. Putting the fear vote on us. Hell even when we vote things just continue to get worse anyway. Whether it is "our" candidate or their candidate. The dynasty thing has me bothered , the obvious money and power hunger has me bothered, the new wars coming our way has me bothered, the f**ked up economy has me bothered. Do I see any of these candidates making a difference? Not really. Just worse really. We really need dramatic changes here. You can only fix up used cars for so long for your customers while taking their money and buying yourselves Rolls Royces before something really has to change in a big way.

People are so conditioned to respond the way they are told to respond. Critical thinking doesn't really exist for too many people.

We are the ones working and buy and handing most of our money back over to the Government in on way or another yet we are getting less and less back in return for it. I am old enough to see the difference in how the jobs and corporations treated employees decades ago. It is night and day. The benefits have been slashed. Everything has been turned into "productivity". Hell even a cashier is measured by how many items are rang up per hour, how many sales per hour, how many.... All at minimum wage. People doing the work of two maybe three people in today's workplace. Wages haven't increased much over the years either. I was making more money 30 years ago (without a college degree) than somebody working in a bank today with 17 years experience. With great reviews. Employers today are taking advantage of employees. I see it now and I just cannot believe it. As an employee you are not valued. There is a "corporate" pitch that tells employees how valuable they are to the team and how they are there for them and blah blah blah and in the reality they have no job security and have high expectations and many are treated like they do not matter. The Democratic Party is for the worker yet I see the worker's right lost and the corporations rights taking over everything. Why isn't the Democratic Party doing something? Bill Clinton was ready to take way Social Security and help send decent paying jobs overseas.

Why does an Democratic Socialist look so good to us? Because he talks plainly and clearly to what is happening to the Democratic Party (who has lost it's purpose) and the American people. His message resonates with Democrats and Independents alike. This is what, I thought the party would want, a candidate that would bring people together and the a Independents coming into the Democratic Party...... It blows my mind. It just doesn't matter. Status quo means everything.

[jwirr]

113. I am also older and the more I become involved the more

cynical I am becoming.

Heard a couple Union leaders for Clinton talking about needing to keep the youth in the party. However, when one of the older delegates got nominated along with a younger one they were all upset because the older man stepped out in favor of the young man. I just looked at them and said if you want to keep them in the party then you have got to give them room. Unfortunately they do not see it that way.

[Attorney in Texas]

40. Will she blame Sanders for winning too many primary votes or Jill Stein for winning too many general

election votes?

[TwilightZone]

42. I'm sure she's terrified of Jill Stein and her 0.3% draw.

Stein is a career also-ran. This election will be no different.

[Attorney in Texas]

45. OK - so we agree there will be no scapegoating Jill Stein for the Trump presidency (if we blow this)

[Ferd Berfel]

72. if clinton pulls this off

that number may go up

[TwilightZone]

41. If Trump loses Latinos 80/20, blacks 90/10 and women 55/45 (or worse)

how does he win?

Electorally, it looks just as bad, and the GE hasn't even started yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/04/upshot/electoral-map-trump-clinton.html

"impeachment"

Ah, thanks. That's really all I needed to know.

[BillZBubb]

55. And yet a number of polls show her behind trump?

Anyone can make up numbers about how each block will vote. The fact is, independents don't like Hillary and haven't for a long time. They are the votes up for grabs. It's going to be a close election.

[TwilightZone]

56. Head-to-head polls are meaningless. We don't vote based on popular vote.

You should know that by now. If necessary, reference President Albert Gore.

But, since you're all about polls, Hillary is currently ahead of Trump 51/33 with independents, according to CBS. Sanders is only slightly better at 55/29, within the MOE.

Both are blowouts, and it certainly doesn't show "independents" don't like Hillary. Independents aren't a monolithic voting bloc. The majority of them lean one way or the other. Many, if not most, of the ones that lean left would vote for either Sanders or Clinton in November, as would most other Democrats. What a concept.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-but-voters-view-both-unfavorably/

[BillZBubb]

57. Swing state polls.

[TwilightZone]

64. Not a problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/04/upshot/electoral-map-trump-clinton.html

Trump could gain 5% in every state in the country and still lose.

You can keep moving the goalposts, but the end result doesn't change. If you're going to put full faith in polls six months before an election (which I don't, because history proves that it's a losing proposition), from an electoral standpoint, either of our candidates is a lock as it stands.

The electoral numbers - the only ones that matter in the end - are very similar, and the much-vaunted Sanders edge with independents simply doesn't exist, partly because a lot of people simply don't understand who independents really are.

That assumes that nothing changes in the next six months. It ignores that Sanders has yet to be vetted to any meaningful extent by the GOP, for example, presumably because they're hoping he pulls this off.

[Seeinghope]

98. I do know that the candidate does not win by the popular vote. Look at Gore.

Some polls agree with you some don't. I don't want Trump in The White House. I never thought that iPhone was going to get this far.

[Dems to Win]

43. Voting machines will be rigged for Hillary

The people who rig the voting machines will likely do so in favor of Clinton, not Trump. She's the one in the race most likely to feed the military industrial complex, funnel lots of money to Wall Street, and keep the gravy train rolling along as usual for the 1%.

Either could get the most votes, but I'm thinking Clinton will be declared the winner. The Establishment is firmly on her side, and she'll get all the breaks they can give her, including election fraud.

[trueblue2007]

58. YOU are so not telling the truth.

you being paid by which GOP funding source to wreck our DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE??

[beachbumbob]

59. Too bad we can make a wager on your prediction...id be glad to

Take the money...

[Txbluedog]

61. Republicans always fall in line

Right now Paul Ryan etc are putting up a show, come the convention they will be hailing Trump as the second coming. They has always been more worried about winning elections. No matter what she does there will be democrats who won't vote for her in the GE, republicans will line up for Trump without fail

[DrDan]

62. you really should try to hide your glee

[auntpurl]

70. Seriously. Fingers crossed!

[JoePhilly]

114. .+100

[Sheepshank]

71. Nothing like Dems giving Trump a leg up on a Dem Board.

thanks Bernie Supporters.

[EndElectoral]

73. As you say, either way we are screwed.

[Il_Coniglietto]

74. PredictWise has the Republican nominee having a 29% chance to win

You must know something they don't.

[YoungDemCA]

75. I thought that discouraging Democratic turnout was against this site's rules

I guess the rules don't apply to the #AnyoneButHillary Club.

[Marr]

77. She must be counting on some crooked party hacks changing more rules for her.

I agree. She's going to lose. No one likes Hillary Clinton outside of her tiny, shrieking, moderate Republican fan club.

[jamese777]

79. Trying to predict the outcome

Of an election six months before it happens is silly. Take that crystal ball back to Walmart and ask for a refund.

Primaries' popular vote as of May 15
Hillary Clinton: 12,728,415
Donald Trump: 11,025,505
Bernie Sanders: 9,627,509

[CobaltBlue]

80. Seeinghope—No matter what happens in November, I will live.

[BootinUp]

86. chill out friend. The Trumpster is goin in the Dumpster

You heard it here.

[sadoldgirl]

91. I don't like the idea of fascism entering the WH.

Yet the OP has a point.
When Trump started running, I just laughed, and
how many here had that same experience?

I stopped laughing, and I see him as a very shrewd
guy, who masters the art of manipulation.

He went after the repug base, and he got it. As a
matter of fact none of us know what he would do
if elected. He put up a show, and the media cooperated
immediately.

I would bet you that after their convention he will show
a somewhat different style, while still being feisty.

It is very dangerous to underestimate your enemy.

[The_Casual_Observer]

102. Good for you

[0rganism]

108. don't panic!

HRC's negatives are high, yes, but they are dwarfed by DJT's.

DJT is going to lose big in ALL the minority vote demographics and women. his only real path to victory is if he pulls off an amazing and unprecedented win % among white males. once SBS starts campaigning against him, he's going to lose a lot of steam there too.

scandals do surround HRC, but people are kind of used to them by now, their entertainment value is quite low, and calling them out in endless attack ads will only lead to DJT committing the cardinal political sin for what's left of the GOP base: seeming boring or redundant. he'll really only damage his turnout, when just calling HRC "crooked" gets the same point across quicker, cheaper, and in a more entertaining manner. i think he'll go with that.

the Republicans are going to take some serious losses downticket, too; count on them to lose their senate majority. if they keep the house (seems likely at this point) they can certainly vote to impeach HRC, but that hasn't worked out well for them in the past, and without a senate majority they won't be able to remove her from office anyway.

since, in the current absence of actual events, you're free to pick whichever hypothetical universe you'd prefer, i recommend picking the one where Democrats win a resounding victory in November. it'll be better for your blood pressure and energy level, and if what you fear comes to pass, you're going to want to be as healthy as possible.

[applegrove]

115. When huge numbers of people are motivated to vote, Democrats win. Millenials, women, minorities all

hate trump. These are the people who will be doubly motivated to get out and vote.