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Wed May 18, 2016, 12:46 PM

 

I called the Kentucky Sec. of State office this morning....oh my!

I called to tell them I was disappointed in the outcome/integrity of the election under Alison Grimes. I said it did not matter who I support. What matters is that she made a comment it was 'her job' to deliver Kentucky to Hillary Clinton, and then last night she stated she had "glitches". Then they accidentally zeroed out Pike County! Once you do that, you cannot accept electronic numbers, without verifying with a larger audit. Or full count of the county. I told her I felt Alison failed at her job, and it was awful on the heels of MA, IL, AZ, NY, DE, NV, MD, AND NOW KY. As in K-Y shenanigans!

Here is what I was told. "We do not talk about elections, and you must call the Kentucky Democratic Party." I replied, "But Alison does talk about elections, as it's her job! "Not really the deliver part for Hillary, but she came out and told us she had glitches and Pike County was zeroed out. She is in charge of the election in the entire state! Of course she speaks on elections!
She replied, "this is a Kentucky Democratic Party issue, and you must call them."

I replied "the job of the Kentucky Democratic Party is to GOTV. Once the voters enter your voting space, they are your responsibility. Not 'the party'. Why would I call them? It's NOT their issue! Again, I stated they get the voters to come out to vote, but what happens while voting, and counting the vote, is up to the state, not the party! She again replied, "it's the democratic party, and you must call them."

I said thank you, I will, and I'm also now glad Alison is not a U.S. senator. This is a glimpse of her lack of accountability and passing a buck. Please tell her I said so.

Then I called the Kentucky Democratic Party.

Ohhhh my. The lady on the phone was very nice and calm. She was stunned that I was told by the Sec. of States office in KY, to contact them. I told her what I said about who's job is what, and once people go into vote, the 'party' has nothing to do with the outcomes, glitches, or zeroing out of counties by mistake! She said of course!

So I said, well, I want to know exactly what happened, and what is being done about it under Kentucky state law. She said, "but you already know that we can't answer that, it's up to Alison Grimes and the state law." I then said my real purpose was to call and make them aware of Alison's office passing me off to them.
They didn't like it at all.
She told me she was contacting them right away to ask why in the world they are telling people they can't talk about elections, when that is their job, and why are they telling people to call the Kentucky Democratic Party???

Feel free to see if it did any good. Call Alison Grimes office and ask how it's going, and how they are rectifying it all.

Kentucky Sec. of State
502-564-3490

IF...you are told to call 'the party, call them and let them know they're still doing this. Democracy thanks you.

Kentucky Party
502-695-4828


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Reply I called the Kentucky Sec. of State office this morning....oh my! (Original post)
ViseGrip May 2016 OP
Fresh_Start May 2016 #1
boomer55 May 2016 #2
ViseGrip May 2016 #25
highprincipleswork May 2016 #3
ViseGrip May 2016 #16
highprincipleswork May 2016 #18
deathrind May 2016 #4
ViseGrip May 2016 #12
99th_Monkey May 2016 #5
JudyM May 2016 #6
lagomorph777 May 2016 #8
Skwmom May 2016 #19
questionseverything May 2016 #7
MelissaB May 2016 #9
questionseverything May 2016 #10
ViseGrip May 2016 #13
questionseverything May 2016 #15
winter is coming May 2016 #23
pdsimdars May 2016 #11
ViseGrip May 2016 #14
JackRiddler May 2016 #17
Metric System May 2016 #28
JackRiddler May 2016 #34
DemocraticWing May 2016 #20
TimPlo May 2016 #43
Bleacher Creature May 2016 #21
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #22
hobbit709 May 2016 #24
merrily May 2016 #26
bigwillq May 2016 #27
MFM008 May 2016 #29
ViseGrip May 2016 #31
Kang Colby May 2016 #30
ViseGrip May 2016 #32
Kang Colby May 2016 #33
Starry Messenger May 2016 #42
840high May 2016 #35
ViseGrip May 2016 #36
AzDar May 2016 #37
emsimon33 May 2016 #38
bobbobbins01 May 2016 #39
Vinca May 2016 #40
ViseGrip May 2016 #41
Demsrule86 May 2016 #44
ViseGrip May 2016 #45
Aerows May 2016 #47
Aerows May 2016 #46
ViseGrip May 2016 #48

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:47 PM

1. good idea kudos NT

nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:47 PM

2. keep the spotlight on!

 

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Response to boomer55 (Reply #2)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:30 PM

25. Got to keep her in the ViseGrip!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:52 PM

3. Well, I confess that I got a very pleasant woman named Mary Sue who was helpful in at least pointing

 

out that certified totals are due by Noon on Friday. May show up before.

I am very disappointed in our election process in general, and in the fact that it is extremely hard to trust the results.

Mary Sue, however, was helpful, open, and so forth. Good customer service, and this "customer" didn't know what else to ask for, so that's my fault.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:45 PM

16. She was pleasant. And I did know what to ask, and how to answer her b.s.she was told to say.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #16)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:11 PM

18. yes, was going to call back myself. but how about revealing your words of wisdom?

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:53 PM

4. Whatever it takes to win.

"it was 'her job' to deliver Kentucky to Hillary Clinton"


HRC will be the nominee by any means necessary and it will change the dem party to its detriment irrevocably.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #4)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:36 PM

12. Exactly. DWS and Hillary have ruined the party. Now we can get rid of the DINOS.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:56 PM

5. K&R - Awesome. Well done. Thanks for the numbers. nt

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:56 PM

6. Good going. There were a couple smaller area counties that I noticed were zeroed out around the

same time. CNN was calling it "a Sec of State glitch" - we'd like to know exactly what that means and how it was caused!!

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Response to JudyM (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:00 PM

8. "a Sec of State glitch" means the Sec of State requested the glitch to occur.

Same thing happens every time the electronic theft machines are used. That is their purpose.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:19 PM

19. Not necessarily. But what it does is raise questions. Since electronic voting is so easy to


manipulate, it is hard to feel comfortable with the results (you basically just hope for the best).

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:58 PM

7. does ky use paper ballots or what?

there were enough reported "uncommitted" votes to swing the outcome

most states make it nearly impossible to actually count the votes

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #7)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:07 PM

9. Yes, they do. My paper ballot was counted by a machine.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #9)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:18 PM

10. here is what i can find on recounting in ky

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=27817

its not clear if handcounts are allowed or just re running the output from the optical scanners

it does say bernie's campaign would have to pay for it, which is ridiculous considering how close it was and the "glitch"

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #10)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:38 PM

13. I hope Bernie puts out an email asking for 5.00 from all of us for a recount. Then we can!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #13)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:44 PM

15. if the ky recount would include all election materials and a hand count

i would be all for it

but remember hc supporter grimes is still in charge of the chain of custody

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #10)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:45 PM

23. He'd certainly have to pay for some counties, but I don't think he'd have to pay for all of them.

If precinct election officers in any election report errors to the county clerk, it is the clerk's duty to file with the Circuit Court requesting a recount: http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/120-00/017.PDF

In that case, the state pays. I would think this definitely applies to counties where the vote was zeroed out, and possibly also to Fayette, where there a memory card failed.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:18 PM

11. I sent this to TYT and Thom Hartmann, let's see if they do anything with it.

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #11)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:39 PM

14. Thank you! Need to get them in the vise grip!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:46 PM

17. 0.3% difference ---> can a recount be demanded?

 

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #17)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:38 PM

28. The delegate split would be the same regardless of the "winner."

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Response to Metric System (Reply #28)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:00 PM

34. Not the point of the exercise.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:30 PM

20. Our prirmary didn't matter much, so I doubt it was rigged.

There are a lot of nice people in the Secretary of State's office. I guess you got the one who wasn't, but c'est la vie.

I've said for weeks it was going to be very close in Kentucky, and I was right. I guess I wished Bernie won, but the delegate system makes it so inconsequential. One delegate might flip if they do a recount, which they likely will, but that many votes aren't going to be found magically. It just doesn't happen all that often.

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Response to DemocraticWing (Reply #20)

Thu May 19, 2016, 09:41 AM

43. It is not the need for delgate that mattered

 

It need to be a win for Clinton because they did not want a narrative that Sanders was winning all the primaries at end. It is all about the optics and nothing else. So KY was so close that it was the easiest one to tip over to her column even though the primary did not matter. They need to not have a Sanders win in rest of the primaries because of the plan the DNC has for how convention is going to go with one candidates under a serious FBI investigation. The DNC can not afford a Sanders win no matter what so have to set stage for a 3rd person to swoop in and "save" us all from evil Trump after HRC can not longer continue into the GE.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:37 PM

21. Heads I win, tail you lose!!

Must be great to live in Bizarroland. If Bernie wins, it's the will of the people. If he loses, it's fraud!!

He's basically undefeated. . .

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:40 PM

22. Oh Well Done ViseGrip!







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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:49 PM

24. You got what I call Standard Answer 35B.

The canned response when someone doesn't want to admit they have a problem and don't want to deal with it.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:32 PM

26. Didn't the Florida Secretary of State say something similar in 2000 about her job

being to deliver the state for Dimson?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:34 PM

27. K and R

 

For exposure, for those folks who might have run into an issue.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:42 PM

29. Every state Sanders has lost

He accuses of Fraud.
When his own delegates didnt show up or register correctly.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #29)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:45 PM

31. He did not accuse. The Kentucky Sec of State announced 'glitches' & zeroing out of several counties.

 

This is her job, her story. So take your crap elsewhere. She is to be competent to administer an election, the tax payers pay for that. They don't want their money spent on this type of failure. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:45 PM

30. What is it with Bernie fans and telephone calls? n/t

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #30)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:48 PM

32. Just wanted to ask how they are rectifying their fuckups. They sent me to the 'party'.

 

That is wrong. I got all the wrong info from the office. So I did what she told me to do, call the party. Read the op again. Again, failures right up to who answers the phone, and gives out the very important info. Also, the party DID contact Grimes office to ask why in the world they are doing that. So they then told them what to say on the phone, real procedures, under Kentucky state statutes.

I'd say Sanders has lots of attorneys for supporters. What's up with the phone calls....yeah, just leave it up to them, after they say it got all fucked up.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #32)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:53 PM

33. Do you want my input, as a random person on the Internet?

I would just give it a rest with the shenanigans canard. The election fraud bit is just old and played out. If the national parties really could indiscriminately change the vote --- why did they let Trump win or even Obama in 2008?

It comes off to random people, that whenever Bernie loses there is always some excuse. His fans just don't show up to the polls in great enough numbers to defeat Hillary.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #30)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:13 AM

42. Must have a lot of free time.

I barely have time in the eek to talk to my mom on the phone.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:57 PM

35. Thank you for doing this.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #35)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:37 PM

36. You're welcome. Alison Grimes proves she's incompetent.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:54 PM

37. K & R

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 06:34 AM

38. K&R

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 06:49 AM

39. I'd like to know why De La Fuente had votes taken away.

Based on the numbers I saw, his numbers dropped in several counties while Hillary got a bump. He had screenshots posted on his facebook page.



On edit: The votes could have went to either candidate actually, but this is very troubling no matter who got them.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:06 AM

40. Call the media and write letters to the editors of papers in the state.

These people will pass the buck back and forth unless forced to do otherwise.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:11 AM

41. Due to Alison's comment, delivering for Hillary, should she recuse herself?

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 10:30 AM

44. You got the run around...they are now having a good laugh at your expense.

I guess you did not get that.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

Thu May 19, 2016, 10:48 AM

45. Oh no, the party called and they got the right message for people calling.

 

Grimes stated her "job" was to get Hillary elected. That is not her 'job'. She is paid by tax dollars, to ADMINISTER ELECTIONS IN KENTUCKY.

Even the lower jobs in her office, the girl answering the phone is on tax dollars for pay, and tell me to call the party? No joke on me. I know what the rules and their jobs are. I got them to correct their mistakes. Her office is a big failure on the tax payer dime.

Joke on me? Don't think so. What I did was effective and that's why I did it. I stopped the runaround. They finally gave the girl answering the phone a correct statement of procedures under Kentucky statutes.

Another office failure she had to correct. These are tax dollars honey.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

Thu May 19, 2016, 02:27 PM

47. If you think this is funny

 

you are no fan of fair elections.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 02:26 PM

46. What this "primary" has accomplished

 

is to show new voters how corrupt our system has become.

I have faith in our millennials. They aren't going to put up with this shit, and guess what? I'm a late batch of the GenXers and we aren't going to put up with it, either.

Go on and be smug at the "wins". It fuels the determination to bring some rule of law back to the voting process.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #46)

Thu May 19, 2016, 02:36 PM

48. Exactly. Fraud in so many states has served as great edu reaching many more!

 

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