UPDATED! #SandersTrumpDebate because Hillary won't

[pinebox]

UPDATE! This is now looking like it may become a reality! Give him hell Bernie! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2055122 and let's show America what a REAL candidate looks like!

THIS! #SandersTrumpDebate

There's a twitter campaign currently underway right this second that basically is calling for a debate between Trump & Bernie and leaves out Hillary altogether because she said no to debating Bernie. People are begging FOX, Bernie & Trump to let this happen.

I'd pay to see this shit go down!

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pinebox.

[pinebox]

3. You're welcome Joe :)

[snooper2]

84. The hashtag warriors will win this!

[Scootaloo]

2. I'd love to see it

"Here you go Hillary. I tenderized this Trump steak for ya."

[pinebox]

5. Can you imagine what would happen if this went down?

This would be completely epic.

[Scootaloo]

9. I can!

The Hate/Rage/Contempt group would be on fire with stories of how Bernie hates white people and is so rude to poor Donald Trump.

[pinebox]

11. Hahahahahahahaha

I have to admit, I want to see this happen badly.
In a way I would be shocked if it didn't to be honest.

[Scootaloo]

13. I'd love it, too.

[winter is coming]

20. Fox gets the ratings, Bernie gets the exposure, and Trump gets to thumb his nose

at Hillary while showing he's not afraid to debate Bernie. Sounds like a win for everyone but Hillary.

[thesquanderer]

25. Another positive for Trump...

...is that he wants to win over as many Sanders supporters as he can when facing Hillary in November. What better way to be able to directly reach a ton of Sanders supporters, and at zero cost besides?

[pinebox]

36. Meanwhile Hillary has the same donors as Jeb Bush. As you were saying?

[thesquanderer]

40. ? Either I'm missing your point, or you missed mine, or both... (n/t)

[pinebox]

43. You said it's a positive for Trump

and I said things are a lot closer than what they appear.

[thesquanderer]

47. I'm still not getting it, sorry.

As a Sanders supporter, I would very much like to see a Sanders-Trump debate. I think it would give him a great PR push in advance of the CA primary.

One reason it could conceivably happen is that each of them could find potential positives in doing it. That is, the benefits to Bernie are obvious, but for it to happen, Trump would have to be able to see a positive in it as well. That's what I was talking about here and elsewhere in this thread.

[thesquanderer]

21. It almost happened back in March!

The NY Times reported it. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511444020

I could see Fox revisiting the idea. I can easily see Sanders doing it, there's basically no downside for him. Trump, as the actual presumed nominee for his party, has more to lose (i.e. if he doesn't come off well in the debate), but he probably has enough ego to not worry about coming off poorly, and he would presumably love the attention/ratings and use it as another example of his out-of-the-box non-establishment thinking, and he'd probably also see it as another way to kind of stick it to Hillary in advance of the general. And while on one hand it could be seen as "lowering" himself to debate the non-contender (unlike back in March when they were both striving to be taken seriously by elements of their parties), he'd also be debating the only person rivaling him in drawing huge crowds, which I think would appeal to him in a different way. So yeah, I could see it happening.

[JudyM]

78. She wouldn't let it happen - she would likely have to step in to join.

But I hope it happens with just the two of them, Bernie would set his hair on fire.

[winter is coming]

4. That could be something worth seeing.

Either very enlightening or very entertaining, and quite possibly both.

[pinebox]

6. Ratings would be through the roof

[RKP5637]

54. M$M would make out quite well, Millions would likely watch!!!!!! n/t

[merrily]

7. #HillaryLostMe

[pinebox]

8. #HillaryNeverHadMe

[merrily]

10. No problem. She never had me either. I was for Obama. You get to use the hashtag anyway.

Bernie never had anyone who is was using#BernieLostMe--until Bernie's supporters took it over and mocked with it.

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?11573-The-Sit-Down-and-Shut-Up-Award-and-Other-Realities&p=71850#post71850

[pinebox]

12. Yup! I saw that. It was a thing of beauty

[merrily]

14. Thanks. Much appredciated.

[jillan]

15. Definitely needs to happen. The two outsiders debating each other. Bernie would gain a lot of new

supporters.

Tweet to Fox. If enough of us do maybe they'll listen.

[pinebox]

16. The hashtag is starting to pop now

And many are tweeting to FOX, Bernie and Trump.
I get a very odd sense saying this could become a reality.

[msongs]

17. bernie's going broke so he cut a deal with fox to get free publicity nt

[pinebox]

22. Uh you go with that

Meanwhile, the ratings would be stacked & in California no less?
If Bernie wins Cali, which he is going to, and you add in the fire of a possible debate like this, guess who goes into the convention with massive momentum?

[barrow-wight]

19. Why don't they just have Trump debate the local dog catcher.

Either that person or Bernie has the same chance at the nomination that would actually put him head to head with Trump for real.

[pinebox]

23. So you think Trump should debate the person under an FBI investigation?

Got it.

[barrow-wight]

24. Aren't you the person who keeps pushing third parties?

[pinebox]

29. Can you show me where I have pushed a third party?

I find it rather "Hill-arious" that you think reporting news is suddenly supporting a stance. My gosh, ABC reports on ISIS, does that mean they support them?

Am I an indy? You best damn well believe I am.

[barrow-wight]

68. You've been tacitly pushing it constantly.

[pinebox]

70. I have?

Again, show me where please? *crickets*

[barrow-wight]

105. lol

Every post you post passive-aggressively asking this, that, or the other about How a third party run might go is essentially priming the pump. How stupid do you think we are?

[pinebox]

106. Legit questions don't mean condoning

I'm sorry you can't see what a rhetorical or hypothetical question is. Oh well.

That being said, I'll vote who best represents me

[barrow-wight]

107. Of course you will.

Your hypotheticals are wishful thinking at its best.

[pinebox]

108. Uh huh you go with that

What you think really isn't my concern and honestly nor do I care.

[barrow-wight]

111. You cared enough to respond.

Everyone knows what you're doing in constantly asking these hypotheticals. You're trying to take a finger in the wind at what kind of support he'd actually get in hopes of encouraging everyone to keep carrying on with this failing campaign. I think you might also be hoping to convince whatever agents of Sanders' campaign that lurk here to feel emboldened to actually go third party.

[pinebox]

112. I care enough to not bother to read your drivel and hit ignore now.

Have a good nice.

[barrow-wight]

113. LOL!

[barrow-wight]

114. What, you aren't going to say I'm getting paid? :)

[NCTraveler]

26. This is something I can support.

Let's make it happen. Sanders will crush him while keeping our nominee clean. This would really show Sanders is in it with the democrats for the long haul. He will do great for Clinton.

[Demsrule86]

46. Right

No doubt Trump or Bernie would attack Hill and the other one would agree.

[NCTraveler]

53. Sanders knows Trump is the enemy.

Sanders and Clinton have too much in common and Sanders has too much class and intelligence to attack Clinton in such a setting.

It would be great. Sanders isn't in this game to promote Trump. In any way.

[Demsrule86]

55. Wrong

Weaver said...Trump is correct with his attacks on Hillary...they double team her...he has no money and wants free air time...no thanks...I could never trust Bernie...not now. Not after the stuff, he said yesterday and his campaign guy today. I thought Bernie had class..but when he called Hillary the lesser of two evils...that was it.

[NCTraveler]

60. Weaver is a piece of shit. That is well known.

He is currently leading Sanders. I don't see it lasting much longer and he would not sit there in a debate with Trump where they both bash Clinton.

[JudyM]

76. I thought you call that "vetting" - something HRC DUers are so in favor of...

[riversedge]

27. Bernie will do anything to get free air time. His coffers are low.

[TheBlackAdder]

57. Yep. He should have blown off Puerto Rico for a few $100K a plate fundraisers.

[Alex4Martinez]

28. This needs to happen. This just plain needs to happen, this week.

Brilliant!

Come on, Donald!

[pinebox]

34. Yup it does!

[tonyt53]

30. The desperation of the Sanders campaign is in full bloom

What more do you want to hear from the candidates that you do not already know? Sounds like you just want a show.

[pinebox]

32. Desperation? Funny....remind us again who's under an FBI investigation

and who is calling for party unity? Hillary.

Remind us again who shares the same donors as Jeb Bush? Hillary.

On and on it goes, it is what it is.

[tonyt53]

51. Yep, it always go es back to that for Sanders and his supporters. You have nothing left. It is over

[pinebox]

115. We don't? Funny because it looks like this is happening!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2055122
Ole!

[asuhornets]

31. If Sanders debate Trump that would be so disrespectful...nt

[pinebox]

33. She said no after saying yes

That's disrespectful.

Besides, what are you worried about? Isn't she the supposed "nominee"? What could the DNC do to him now that the race is over in your eyes? Absolutely nada.

Bring it on!

[asuhornets]

35. Sanders is hurting his brand big time...nt

[pinebox]

37. Oh? So the guy who had 1% name recognition who now has almost half the vote

is hurting his brand?

Nobody even knew who he was yet here we are, stadiums are being packed out and he's bringing new people into the political process.

Hurting his brand? Garnering millions of new supporters is hurting his brand?

Ha! I don't think so.

[asuhornets]

39. He's hurting his brand because many thought he was a nice guy, including myself

but lately he's gone negative and blames everyone for his lost in the primaries. It is not over but mathematically it really is over. It's as if, Sanders believes he due something for doing better than expected.

[pinebox]

41. Again, his "brand" has exploded

and it's proof positive by how many have donated to him. More people have donated to him than Hillary.
What's up is down, what's down is up apparently.

Nope, he has certainly not hurt his brand and in fact, are you aware that his positions have even caused a whole new political party to happen? Who has done that? Nobody.

[asuhornets]

79. Bernie Sanders stated he would not go negative - but he did go negative-because he had to--I get it

Just like I get that Hillary Clinton does not need to do another debate--especially on FOX.

[pinebox]

82. Hillary said she ducked sniper fire. Your point?

[asuhornets]

85. Hillary does not need to engage Sanders anymore--not on that level anyway...nt

[pinebox]

89. Hillary is running for POTUS and like any other candidate needs to be held accountable

She gets no free pass just because she's Hillary

[asuhornets]

93. Trust me-Hillary has been held accountable for over 25 years for things she did not even do..

[pinebox]

97. Sure she has but there are also things she has done. FBI investigations anyone?

[asuhornets]

98. FBLie Investigation...see below

[pinebox]

99. Ya you thought the FBI investigation was the same as Judicial Watch lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2035078
Instead of falling asleep, maybe you should read up on current events.

[asuhornets]

100. Currently, Hillary Clinton is on track to winning the Democratic nomination.

[pinebox]

102. And probably losing a general :(

[floppyboo]

38. I can see Clinton supporters would have a hey day with that one!

And the fact that Clinton reneged on her promise of this debate would be quickly disappeared by the MSM.
But I'd love to see it!
Go Bernie!

[pinebox]

42. Oh they'd flip the hell out lol

[asuhornets]

80. Go Bernie? Yep he's going somewhere but it won't be the White House..

[floppyboo]

83. Ya, and? There's a bit more to this than that!

[NorthCarolina]

49. To who?

To the voters? I think not.

[asuhornets]

50. Democratic voters..but he won't do it anyway...nt

[JudyM]

77. *horrors* daring to disrespect Her Inevitableness!

[Tarc]

44. Lol, Sanders supporters are like kids at the fold-out table at Thanksgiving

Mom has wandered off to watch football and now they're eyeing her seat at the adult table.

[pinebox]

73. Sure and Hillary supporters are obviously Republicans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2037484

[Demsrule86]

45. Now why would Trump debate the loser?

Or is this more double teaming attacks on Hillary?

[Sheepshank]

75. BINGO!!!!!

[pinebox]

116. I don't know, why don't you ask Trump because well it's looking like it's on!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2055122

[gordyfl]

48. Oh I'd Pay to See That

They could put it on Pay-Per-View. I'd still watch it.

However, if Trump and Bernie accepted, and FOX agreed, Hillary would get on her knees begging to enter the debate. I'm pretty sure of that.

[RKP5637]

52. K&R !!!!! I would love to see this!!! n/t

[ProgressiveEconomist]

56. Is this DU or Trump U

Ginning up a Sanders-Trump Hillary hatefest on Fox "News" no less would make Senator BS the sorest sore loser of all time, IMO, and one of the worst political traitors in history.

[pinebox]

65. Uhhhh remind us again

about that time FOX held a Dem town hall a few months ago?
Oh that.

"Political traitors", is that the new Hillary fan meme of the week?
fascinating language really considering you support the candidate who has the same donors as Jeb! does & who is constantly changing her mind on issues.

Yeah, Bernie is such a traitor, I mean the guy who has been fighting for the same thing his whole political career is now saying it asa presidential candidate. Yup yup, apparently integrity has evolved into being traitor among Hillary supporters.

[obamanut2012]

72. +1

[Recursion]

58. That would burn more bridges than Sanders is willing to (nt)

[lunamagica]

59. LOL! Why would Trump want to debate Sanders? It's a waste of time

Both Hillary and Trump have mover to the GE.

Why does the Sanders camp want another debate? They haven't helped him so far, and he always says the same thing.

[pinebox]

63. The same thing? You mean like staying on message?

Yeah you're right, he isn't constantly switching positions like Hillary.

[lunamagica]

74. So, you admit e is always saying the same thing...then, what's the point? He's had a chance to

deliver his message in what, six debates? and dozens of stump speeches. Nothing new to see and hear.

Why waste the time? The moment has arrived for Democrats to attack Trump, not each other

[pinebox]

86. His message resonates

And many of us are indy libs.

[lunamagica]

87. I realize that, but everything has been said over, and over again.

The time for primary debates has passed. At this stage to have Clinton and Sanders go at each other will only benefit Trump

[pinebox]

88. I disagree

and if Hillary is so strong, what do you have to worry about?
She has 30+ years of baggage, Trump knows it all and so does the rest of America

[lunamagica]

92. I worry about wasting time on a primary debate while Trump is on full GE mode. Time is precious

And every moment comes when it comes to defeat him.

[pinebox]

95. We're still in primary mode

So let them have at it.
If Hillary won't, well that's her problem. Nobody has anything to lose anyhow. Ratings would shoot through the roof as well and this would be a good opportunity for much of America to become both politically aware and involved.

[lunamagica]

103. Trump is not. And yes, we have something to lose...time.

I think we're just going around in circles here...

[firebrand80]

61. Since "GrumpySquirrel" thinks it should happen

it's really only a matter of time.

[pinebox]

62. Who exactly is "GrumpySquirrel"?

[firebrand80]

64. Indeed nt

[Txbluedog]

66. Although it would be fun to watch

It's not gonna happen, Trump would never agree to debate the runner up of the opposition party, nothing to gain

[Faux pas]

67. K N R-ed

[AzDar]

69. K & R

[Lil Missy]

71. he should be debating Ted Cruz, the runner-up just like he is.

[pinebox]

118. Uh huh meanwhile it's looking like this will happen!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2055122

[samsingh]

81. Let's have a Trump Gore debate!

[pinebox]

117. Nawww I prefer the real thing which is looking like a reality

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2055122

[Beacool]

90. Why would they debate?

One of them is not going to be his party's nominee.

[pinebox]

91. Uh huh it isn't over

and besides that, why is Hillary going back on her word?
Par for the course though, expected. She does this a lot as we all know

[fun n serious]

96. Can you show me where she agreed to this debate please? nt

[COLGATE4]

104. Crickets... We keep hearing about how she 'broke her word' about

participating in this debate but I, for one have never seen where she actually agreed to it in the first place. And when the question is asked, the answer always seems to be embarrassed silence.

[pinebox]

119. Sure! And also

check this out because it looks like a reality http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2055122

As far as your question is concerned, here ya go http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/24/hillary_clinton_declines_bernie_sanders_california_debate_proposal.htm

[reddread]

94. if it were to happen

Hillary would be very damaged.

[IdaBriggs]

101. YES!!! I would love to see that sooner than later!

Go, Bernie!!!

[AzDar]

109. K & R

[andym]

110. There was one time when a candidate should have skipped the promised debate

Carter should not have debated Reagan in 1980--Carter would have probably lost anyway-- but that debate sealed his fate, by allowing folks to see how "harmless" Reagan was. Little did they know.