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Sat May 21, 2016, 07:23 AM

Hillary does not need your vote to win in November

This is the message we are receiving from the Democratic Party.
This is the message being reinforced daily on this page,Facebook,MSM, and by the million dollar Brockalanche of online trolls.
No need to mend fences,attempt to mend fences,acknowledge that the fence is broken,or to even see a fence.
You/they/she doesn't need my support.
She has got this ALL THE WAY without us.
So, go ahead and continue this path/method to Victory because a Party Divided can not Fall(I think I messed that last line up)

Barbara Boxer can wave her finger at me,
tell me that she was terrified for her very life
while Blowing taunting kisses and flipping people off.
The Media can take a still shot of a man picking up a chair and NOT
mention that it was placed back down to the ground without being thrown.

They(MSNBC,CNN) don't need us either.
They can fabricate misogyny and turn the expression of "Corporate Whore"
into a Poll dancing Hillary instead of someone who sells themselves to corporations.

Maddow doesn't need me to watch her show,
Eugene Robinson doesn't need me to read his Shill articles,
and Debbie Wasserman Shultz doesn't need me to contribute to dems,
campaign for dems, or even to remain a Democrat.
They/she don't need me.
She's got this.
They are with her.
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Reply Hillary does not need your vote to win in November (Original post)
Sky Masterson May 2016 OP
cantbeserious May 2016 #1
restorefreedom May 2016 #19
840high May 2016 #128
PowerToThePeople May 2016 #143
Optimism May 2016 #155
TalkingDog May 2016 #159
djean111 May 2016 #2
SwampG8r May 2016 #3
Hiraeth May 2016 #41
closeupready May 2016 #134
greiner3 May 2016 #153
bjo59 May 2016 #151
Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #172
kayakjohnny May 2016 #4
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #5
SusanCalvin May 2016 #79
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #84
SusanCalvin May 2016 #88
closeupready May 2016 #135
cui bono May 2016 #141
Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #173
frustrated_lefty May 2016 #6
Broward May 2016 #7
Hiraeth May 2016 #42
ancianita May 2016 #8
Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #174
ancianita May 2016 #176
gordianot May 2016 #9
Sky Masterson May 2016 #12
gordianot May 2016 #15
merrily May 2016 #43
gordianot May 2016 #67
merrily May 2016 #69
gordianot May 2016 #76
merrily May 2016 #80
appalachiablue May 2016 #110
RKP5637 May 2016 #53
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #70
closeupready May 2016 #136
edgineered May 2016 #10
Merryland May 2016 #52
edgineered May 2016 #103
Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #175
SusanCalvin May 2016 #81
edgineered May 2016 #105
CharlotteVale May 2016 #11
merrily May 2016 #39
SusanCalvin May 2016 #82
Kip Humphrey May 2016 #13
RKP5637 May 2016 #57
yuiyoshida May 2016 #94
appalachiablue May 2016 #102
yuiyoshida May 2016 #104
appalachiablue May 2016 #107
yuiyoshida May 2016 #108
appalachiablue May 2016 #114
yuiyoshida May 2016 #116
Blue_In_AK May 2016 #111
yuiyoshida May 2016 #113
Blue_In_AK May 2016 #120
yuiyoshida May 2016 #121
Fawke Em May 2016 #131
yuiyoshida May 2016 #137
Fawke Em May 2016 #140
yuiyoshida May 2016 #144
jeff47 May 2016 #157
yuiyoshida May 2016 #161
jeff47 May 2016 #162
yuiyoshida May 2016 #165
JoePhilly May 2016 #14
Sky Masterson May 2016 #18
JaneyVee May 2016 #16
Sky Masterson May 2016 #20
merrily May 2016 #37
MrMickeysMom May 2016 #17
ucrdem May 2016 #21
Sky Masterson May 2016 #23
ucrdem May 2016 #25
Sky Masterson May 2016 #28
merrily May 2016 #35
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merrily May 2016 #33
ucrdem May 2016 #44
merrily May 2016 #59
ucrdem May 2016 #62
merrily May 2016 #66
bvar22 May 2016 #127
greiner3 May 2016 #158
SusanCalvin May 2016 #89
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SusanCalvin May 2016 #147
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #150
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rhett o rick May 2016 #148
Baitball Blogger May 2016 #22
pengu May 2016 #26
BillZBubb May 2016 #64
Dem2 May 2016 #24
Blue_Adept May 2016 #29
Sky Masterson May 2016 #32
Blue_Adept May 2016 #38
Sky Masterson May 2016 #48
Trajan May 2016 #99
merrily May 2016 #30
Blue_Adept May 2016 #40
merrily May 2016 #54
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merrily May 2016 #83
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Hiraeth May 2016 #45
RKP5637 May 2016 #68
Hiraeth May 2016 #71
SusanCalvin May 2016 #86
merrily May 2016 #169
ChiciB1 May 2016 #87
riderinthestorm May 2016 #117
ChiciB1 May 2016 #146
Fawke Em May 2016 #132
beltanefauve May 2016 #139
merrily May 2016 #166
mountain grammy May 2016 #34
RKP5637 May 2016 #77
Fuddnik May 2016 #36
Hiraeth May 2016 #46
procon May 2016 #47
Sky Masterson May 2016 #49
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #50
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #55
Trust Buster May 2016 #56
hrmjustin May 2016 #58
NorthCarolina May 2016 #60
NV Whino May 2016 #61
rickford66 May 2016 #63
BillZBubb May 2016 #65
Hiraeth May 2016 #72
BillZBubb May 2016 #75
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #74
Vogon_Glory May 2016 #78
Dems to Win May 2016 #85
SusanCalvin May 2016 #91
dana_b May 2016 #96
azmom May 2016 #109
yuiyoshida May 2016 #92
seabeyond May 2016 #93
tabasco May 2016 #95
yuiyoshida May 2016 #98
tabasco May 2016 #112
yuiyoshida May 2016 #115
tabasco May 2016 #118
yuiyoshida May 2016 #119
pdsimdars May 2016 #97
Major Nikon May 2016 #100
Sky Masterson May 2016 #123
KPN May 2016 #101
Katashi_itto May 2016 #106
felix_numinous May 2016 #122
floppyboo May 2016 #125
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #129
boomer55 May 2016 #130
closeupready May 2016 #133
lostnfound May 2016 #138
Nanjeanne May 2016 #142
libodem May 2016 #145
Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #149
bigwillq May 2016 #152
EndElectoral May 2016 #154
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reformist2 May 2016 #167
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gwashington May 2016 #171
MuseRider May 2016 #177
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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:24 AM

1. And She Will Not Receive It Either

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:30 AM

19. THIS nt

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:59 PM

128. That^

 

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:29 PM

143. Truth.

 

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:29 PM

155. All of the above ^

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:15 PM

159. ^What they all said.

n/t

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:24 AM

2. That's my take on it, too.

 

And I will proceed accordingly.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:39 AM

3. If she wont ask for our votes why should she get them?

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #3)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:18 AM

41. I think the plan is to have Bernie ask for them. I would do a lot for Bernie. *sigh*

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #41)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:25 PM

134. Me, too, but if he gives me wiggle room, then - again - I'll do

 

as I wish in the voting booth.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #134)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:59 PM

153. I believe he's said as much.

 

Just this last week in fact

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #41)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:43 PM

151. I support Bernie 100% but if he asked me to vote for Clinton, I would not do it.

Can't vote for anyone who will continue and expand the ultra-violent U.S. regime-change agenda throughout the world. Can't vote for anyone who will sign the TPP into law. Can't vote for anyone who works to sell the country out as a favor to the globalists. No way, no how.

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #151)

Sun May 22, 2016, 06:30 AM

172. In fact, the way she treated him and us ...

... I would be disappointed that he asked me to support something so vile.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:42 AM

4. Good post.

Your sentiment is shared by people everywhere.

I see examples each day, of people expressing those thoughts in various ways.

The truth is the truth.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:42 AM

5. I don't think she's done being offensive either.

I think we can expect a lot more abuse before the Convention's finished.

(There has been a sudden rules change for the conventions from the DNC and the major media have canceled all exit polls for the remaining primaries.)

The fact is, she really isn't very bright. But I said that before she pulled any of these stunts, just based on her lousy job performance, misstatements, mistakes, and self-inflicted problems. Well here's another self-inflicted problem, a gigantic one. She's making these decisions, so it is ENTIRELY ON HER.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #5)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:03 AM

79. Canceled all the exit polls?

Please make this an OP.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #84)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:21 AM

88. Thanks - don't know how I missed that one.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #5)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:27 PM

135. No, I agree, she's really not very smart.

 

I realized that only later after she became Secretary of State.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #5)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:28 PM

141. Agree. And yes, I've said many times she doesn't think things through.

And that's a terrible attribute for POTUS. She has no long term plan, doesn't think of the repercussions of what she decides to do right now.

You can see that in her record, her behavior, her campaigns, her lies. I will never support her in any way and it is entirely her own fault.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #141)

Sun May 22, 2016, 06:33 AM

173. Right there with you.

She made her bed, now she has to "lie" in it.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:44 AM

6. She won't receive it.

Message answered.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:47 AM

7. Her Bush donors will come to the rescue.

That's the more natural fit anyway. Bush donors and supporters have much in common with Hillary's backers.

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Response to Broward (Reply #7)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:19 AM

42. I can see this happening, especially in the south.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:48 AM

8. The pity is that it's such a fascist, corporate way to look at running a country.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #8)

Sun May 22, 2016, 06:35 AM

174. We're doomed if she's president. nt

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #174)

Sun May 22, 2016, 09:51 AM

176. I don't believe that quote is the whole of her attitude toward Democrats. We need to give her

room to change.

We need to press Berner visions, inclusions, projects, and believe that she's receptive and inspired to claim all these for herself and her presidency.

We need to push against defeatism from the Berner camp.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:52 AM

9. I am still donating money to individual Democrats (not the DNC).

One I suspect is a DINO but the last DINO Governor kept the crazy Republicans at bay. There are many names on ballots in 40 years I have voted for one Republican in the 1970's. Even Republicans I know and like do not get my vote. This year after much soul searching one former Independent in Primary got my vote. You can still vote Democratic. I do not vote in categories where there is not a Democratic offering. This year I may have another first.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #9)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:00 AM

12. I wouldn't suggest that anyone not donate to dems

People should donate to whomever holds their values and interest at heart.
In the past my votes were straight Democrat. 30 years of straight dem ticket voting.
This is why the message I am receiving from the Dem party confuses me.
Being told to shut up and sit in a corner by the party I have supported all of my life kinda stings a bit.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #12)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:19 AM

15. The ones I am donating to are running against old fashioned establishment Republicans.

I suspect the top of the ticket is that post partisan bull shit coming from Democratic leadership. Remember the "No Red State or Blue State Just the United States" speech. Sanders is not going to be the nominee and it could well be someone other than Hillary.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #15)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:20 AM

43. It's kind of late for anyone to get on the ballot in some states.

The Republican Party and the Democratic Party cooperated to freeze out third party candidates as much as they could. I don't know when it happened because they used to pick the nominee at the conventions, around August. Maybe when Perot ran--but that's just a wild guess.

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Response to merrily (Reply #43)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:23 AM

67. The deals used to be done in back rooms at conventions.

The possible scenarios are endless. Say the indictment fairy does show up Hillary stays the first ballot but does not get the nomination. She withdraws her name for second ballot. There is an entire vocabulary used to describe convention shenanigans. Dark Horse stalks the floor.

Hidden in Hillary's emails uncovered by real honest to goodness right wing smear media there is a fascinating exchange by then Secretary Clinton, her Secretary, and various Turkish officials. It seems Turkey was wanting to stop Congressional legislation regarding Turkish Armenian Genocide of 1917-1918 actually calling it Genocide. So guess who opposed this legislation (hedging at various times) and got probably legal money to boot through a third party for their non profit foundation? . It will make a killer attack ad in that a famous German politician 1930's-1940's once asked who remembers the murder of the Armenians? As Republican Obama official recently said "An offline server was not a good idea".

This election anything is possible.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #67)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:27 AM

69. They're still done in rooms somewhere, only now its years before the election. Still, there are laws

about getting on the ballot for President and I think the deadline has passed in some states.

By January 4, we should be working to change some of these bullshit, undemocratic laws.

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Response to merrily (Reply #69)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:51 AM

76. A Dark Horse is still possible to the Party Convention.

Both Parties do not have to elect Primary Party Candidates, no one is on the State ballot yet for President of the United States. As much as I like Sanders there is only so far you can go against the machine. I suggest Cicero 79BC pamphlet "How to Win an Election". Cicero would have felt at home this election it works really well for what we see happening.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #76)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:03 AM

80. Thank you. Sounds interesting. I will google.

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Response to merrily (Reply #80)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:19 PM

110. Do you have any insights into #94 and #107? With so many Indian, Chinese,

Japanese, Korean, Pacific Islander and other Asian Americans in the US why is this group not included in polling surveys that I've ever seen. Thanks.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #12)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:48 AM

53. I changed to Unaffiliated after decades of supporting the Dem party,

straight dem tickets, significant donations. It felt strange at first, but better as I continued to realize the DNC/DLC/3rd-way/DWS does not represent me. I will vote by the candidate. Times have changed so much. I know I'm not alone, staunch dems for years have done the same.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #12)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:27 AM

70. I donate to candidates I'm pretty sure are progressivs

I do not donate to corporate whores.

I can't trust the DNC to care about that distinction, so they don't get a dime.

DOnate directly

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #12)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:28 PM

136. They've called me again and again - NO is my firm answer,

 

"not until DWS leaves. PERIOD."

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:55 AM

10. It does not occur to them that many are under the radar

There is no need to be told more than once to stop making waves, to get real, and to stop dreaming; do this now for the good of party unity. Hearing any of it again only strengthens a silent resolve to have no part of it. (this is the one and only time I will say this, yet somehow instead of feeling alone I sense the company of many like minded people)

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:42 AM

52. The more they tell us to get in line,

the more we will tell them to go to hell. I have my candidate,hell or high water, and - even should Bernie "endorse" her - I will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

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Response to Merryland (Reply #52)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:25 PM

103. And yet, as is still seen in this very thread,

those telling us to get in line only continued to use the same approach in trying to convince us of OUR errors. Sometimes the words are changed a little, ie, you better, you're ignorant, it will be your fault, etc, etc.

And just like the inevitable one herself, they truly believe that parsing words and playing semantics is the ultimate solution. It is just a matter of time before we understand what the meaning of is is.

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Response to Merryland (Reply #52)

Sun May 22, 2016, 06:44 AM

175. If Sanders endorses her, I will take that as a betrayal. Nt

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Response to edgineered (Reply #10)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:04 AM

81. Yes. Demonstrates poor understanding of human nature. nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #81)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:28 PM

105. To their credit however,

they sure know how to work a machine. It's too bad that machine doesn't have sensors or operate in safe mode. Perhaps machines are people too?

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:58 AM

11. But guess who they'll all blame when she loses.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #11)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:17 AM

39. Forgive the shouting, WHO CARES WHO THEY BLAME?

It's all part of the long time effort of the Democratic Party to discredit liberals.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #11)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:05 AM

82. They can try. But it won't be the truth. nt

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:12 AM

13. Seemingly the DWS-DNC does not nee a LOT of people...

Here are the GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL results - a national poll taken during April 1-30, 2016:

WHITES: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 28% Trump: 29%
BLACKS: Sanders: 67% Clinton: 60% Trump: 14%
HISPANICS: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 50% Trump: 14%

MILLENNIALS: Sanders: 55% Clinton: 38% Trump: 22%
MEN: Sanders: 53% Clinton: 32% Trump: 28%
WOMEN: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 45% Trump: 16%

CONSERVATIVES: Sanders: 29% Clinton: 26% Trump: 36%
MODERATES: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 37% Trump: 22%
LIBERALS: Sanders: 78% Clinton: 51% Trump: 9%

No college: Sanders: 47% Clinton: 38% Trump: 26%
Some college: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 32% Trump: 23%
Graduated college: Sanders: 62% Clinton: 39% Trump: 21%
Postgraduate work: Sanders: 65% Clinton: 53% Trump: 11%


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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #13)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:02 AM

57. The new democratic party has no idea what is going on in this country. Many

have blinders on and many are corporate shills.

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #13)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:32 AM

94. Why is it ....

they never include ASIANS? WHY is that?? Its almost like they
do this on purpose.


HELLO!!! WE ARE HERE ... whether you like it or not!!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #94)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:20 PM

102. True, why is this group missing? It's messed up; the US has many Asians.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #102)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:26 PM

104. maybe they hope WE will all

"Go back to CHINER!!"

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #104)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:13 PM

107. Just googled 'American Asians Excluded in Election Polls'. There are many links

to articles about Dems. and the GOP trying to attract growing nos. of Asians and Pacific Islanders in the US, also how many are moving towards Bernie this year which I knew. At a glance, I only noticed one link that covered the -why not polled issue-. It's in this Pew link: question, 'Do you survey Asian Americans.' The response says they do, but have limitations because of smaller population percentage and more languages, which is very strange.
How can so many major news organizations, universities and polling companies Not include this category, I've never seen it. Maybe one of the pros around here knows. I'll ask a couple; thanks for noticing it. What an oversight.

A few years ago when news articles were focusing on the major changes in US demographics by 2050, Asians were definitely included. In one article, probably WaPo it stated how many Asians are affluent, educated and are sometimes considered the 'new white' for what that's worth, certainly not the case for all. I wonder if the middle eastern military and terrorist issues esp. since 2001 influence this, although Asians have been in the US hundreds of years before then.

http://www.pewresearch.org/methodology/u-s-survey-research/frequently-asked-questions/

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #107)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:17 PM

108. You know there is a group....





Thanks for the Info!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #108)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:25 PM

114. I know, here's another. Tulsi Gabbard is great too.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #114)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:27 PM

116. cool beans!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #94)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:22 PM

111. They never include Asians or Native Americans.

I don't understand, either.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #111)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

113. ohyeah!

you are right, they never ask NA's either. its so stupid... so na baka na!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #113)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:58 PM

120. Up here, the Natives were almost 100% for Bernie.

There were caucuses out in some of the villages where Hillary didn't get a single supporter.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #120)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:00 PM

121. I took a walk though San Francisco China town

Saw lots of Bernie signs. But hey, ....what do ASIANS know,

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #94)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:13 PM

131. That group also could include Middle Eastern people, as well.

My son can count himself as white/Asian on forms since he's half Palestinian.

I'd like to see that poll, myself.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #131)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:32 PM

137. Poll makers will go crazy

trying to figure out, exactly what an Asian is... maybe they need an Asian to tell them, ya think? But would they ever ask us? hell no...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #137)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:16 PM

140. You'd think it would be self-explanatory.

Are you from or have a parent from a country in Asia?

But, given how dumb half our media and pollsters seem to be, they probably don't know what countries are in Asia.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #140)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:36 PM

144. it is a big place ...to park your car!!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #94)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:12 PM

157. The only innocent explination

is when they don't get enough of a particular demographic.

If the poll only reaches, say, 3 Asians then they don't have enough of a sample to get a reasonable margin of error.

That may or may not be the cause here.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #157)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:19 PM

161. 3 asians.... in California?

Where do they poll? In Vermont??

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #161)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:23 PM

162. Well, it was a posterior-generated value....

Anyway, if they don't get enough of a particular demographic, they can't get a low enough margin of error to say anything.

Again, they may have that happen here. Or they may not have bothered to pull out Asians as a separate demographic. Or Asians were not giving the demographic story they wanted to tell.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #162)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:43 PM

165. They always say, there isn't many of them, why bother...

or...they don't even think about it... If they came to Los Angeles or San Francisco and did polling they would get plenty of Asians. But you know what? I really think they don't care about that... they are only interested in White or Black opinions and maybe Hispanic sometimes....for all they care, Asians can go back to their Soup Kitchens and cook.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:14 AM

14. Oh the drama.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #14)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:30 AM

18. Great technique!

I feel more unified now and I'm ready to get on board!

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:20 AM

16. Operation Chaos 2016

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #16)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:31 AM

20. Not at all.

Its Operation "GET OUT" the Vote 2016

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #16)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:16 AM

37. How ironic! Remind me when "Bernie 2016 Fuck Yeah" ceased being your long-time sig line?

#BernieLostMe.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:21 AM

17. Yeah, you pretty much got it there, Sky...

However, I have known this for a while, have some time that I can make my presence known in the town of "Brotherly Love"...

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:41 AM

21. Politifact rates Jeff Weaver's allegations of fraud and misconduct as false.

Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded
May 18th, 2016 at 6:40 p.m.

{snip}

Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.

There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False.


http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/


Isn't it great to know that there's nothing to be upset about after all?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:55 AM

23. I rate their rating as False.

I guess all of the video, eyewitness accounts,spoken words from a Hillary Delegate from that convention were just Fig Newtons of my Imagination.
Also, Not Helping.
You can not ignore the broken fence and deem it unbroken.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #23)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:59 AM

25. Believe whatever you like but don't blame the party or the candidate. They didn't deceive you.

I've seen the same videos and graphics and agree 100% with Politifact.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #25)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:06 AM

28. Okay.


Barbara terrified for her very life.

Barbara Boxer shaming Bernie Supporters upset with the Process.

The scam of a Caucus.
Maybe we were watching different videos.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #28)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:14 AM

35. I'll take my own lying eyes and ears for $400, Alex.

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Response to merrily (Reply #35)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:37 AM

51. You won on Jeopardy!

!

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #25)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:10 AM

31. Whoa! A Hillary supporter agrees with politifact! How impressive is that?

I've watched the videos, too, and politifact is dead wrong, which is nothing new. Politifact is often wrong.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #23)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:06 AM

27. Do they think we are blind, deaf, and dumb ???

I really don't understand their mindset.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #27)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:12 AM

33. Have you ever been bullied? If so, how much did the bully care if you disagreed

and you were in the right to disagree?

I don't know when this board ceased to be about honest discussion, but it wasn't recently.

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Response to merrily (Reply #33)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:20 AM

44. Barbara Boxer was visibly bullied and called out her bullies. Do you believe her?

I do.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #44)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:08 AM

59. A political officeholder for 33 years can't take shouting? Even while surrounded by security?

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Response to merrily (Reply #59)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:12 AM

62. So you don't believe someone who tells you they're being bullied. Okay. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #62)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:22 AM

66. I believe own my eyes and ears. Her behavior, body language etc--no fear.

Operation "Discredit him, destroy him and worry about Party unity later."

Barbs Boxer helping out her inlaws.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #62)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:42 PM

127. The "Bully" was Boxer.

She taunted and ridiculed the Sanders crowd, and when the crowd reacted with "Boos", she doubled down with more taunting.
I appeared to me that she was inciting violence.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #127)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:13 PM

158. Trump at least taught her well

 

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Response to merrily (Reply #59)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:23 AM

89. Thanks.

No, she did not appear to be in any fear, and there did not appear to be any reason for fear. She was just POed.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #44)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:25 PM

126. My goodness some people booed her!

 

A few clenched fists. I have seen more danger at my local city council meeting. And no, telling people fuck you and showing a middle finger is not the way professionals act, especially when afraid.

Sorry Charlie, those videos blew the narrative. Better luck next time

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #126)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:51 PM

147. Whoa, did I miss something? Middle finger? Literally?

Figuratively, yeah, I saw that.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #147)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:34 PM

150. Was posted here a frame capture

 

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:22 PM

124. IN the age before tv studios in your phone

 

That narrative would fly. These days, a data plan, and a phone did expose their creative scoring

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:09 PM

148. Your gloating is perfect. It really sums up what you stand for.

 

You side with the liars and cheaters and then gloat. We are fighting the Wealthy 1% backed establishment that you revere so deeply. The corrupt culture that favors the Wealthy and you support them. How can one turn their back on those suffering to side with the rich and wealthy? I think it's envy. In any case the arrogance and hubris of the Clinton Campaign reaffirms the need to fight even harder for the elimination of the Wealthy Fat Cats that have co-opted our government.

In any case Bob-Bye to you

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:54 AM

22. I have no idea how this will turn out,

but I'm pretty damn sure that some progressive media personnel have done permanent damage to themselves. The minute they start questioning Hillary's right-ward decisions they will be pummeled for the support they gave her.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #22)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:02 AM

26. And rightfully so

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #22)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:21 AM

64. Perhaps they weren't really progressives at all?

I can think of a few who never were and now that there is a clear choice, progressive vs. corporatist, they are showing their true colors.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:56 AM

24. Oh, dear

Listen to the excuses fly..

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:07 AM

29. Comical

Really, it is. This is the childishness inherent in so many people in this country. Yes, it's all about you, every bit of it. If you aren't catered to completely, well, screw the rest of us.

Guess we'll just have to make america great again some other way.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #29)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:11 AM

32. That did it!

I now realize that it is all about me and I'm just being stupid.
I like Hillary more already!
I'm just a 50 year old dummy.
I must be.
Outreach noted!

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #32)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:16 AM

38. I'm not providing outreach from the HRC side of things

Not my job to convince anyone else of anything. I didn't vote for her in the primary either.

But so much of the complaining has that whole entitlement feeling about it that it's just laughable.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #38)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:28 AM

48. You have a right to see things as you do

I have the right to totally disagree with you and I do.
Forgive me for not falling in line.
I've always prided myself at spotting bullshit which is why I stopped listening to right wing radio at 20 because I knew they were lying to me. I don't watch Fox because I see that they are lying to me.
Why the hell should I ignore it in my own party?
Also, I love the word "entitlement"

Reminds me of this.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #29)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:52 AM

99. The deceptions and dishonesty of the Democratic Party are REAL

 

Not imaginary ...

Not comical ...

Our response is NOT childishness ... It's the response of victims suffering from outlandish and outrageous frauds perpetrated against them ..

I'm not laughing one bit ...

And ... Pffft .. just like that ... A fart in the wind ...

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:07 AM

30. I live in Boston. Unless the ghost of

Eisenhower or Reagan runs, Massachusetts will go with the Democratic nominee.

No Democrat needs my vote, except MAYBE my state rep.

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Response to merrily (Reply #30)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:18 AM

40. Don't count on that

There are far more Trump yard signs out there than Bernie and Hillary yard signs put together.

We're a deep blue state but things aren't working the normal cycle this time around. I would not be surprised to see it be a squeaker here simply because it's incredibly rare for a party to hold a onto a third term in a row.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #40)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:54 AM

54. Yard signs where you live, maybe. Not where I live.

The polls in October will tell the story. I'd be stunned if Trump is close.

The one time my vote for federal office may have mattered, my candidate lost. That was in the Brown Coakley special election.

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Response to merrily (Reply #54)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:35 AM

73. I'm just east of Worcester

and everywhere I go through these smaller towns like hopkinton, stow, berlin, etc, there's tons of Trump signs. More so than McCain had at this stage and even closer to the election itself back in 08.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #73)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:07 AM

83. The polls in October will probably tell.

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Response to merrily (Reply #83)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:25 AM

90. Yup. Sadly, it'll be that long before we get an accurate look of how the state will really go.

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Response to merrily (Reply #30)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:23 AM

45. Trump will win my county. I live in the reddest county of my state. The old white people will come

out in droves to keep Clinton out. They HATE and DESPISE the Clintons around here. To them, it is not so much as getting Trump in as keeping Clinton OUT.

NAFTA fucked this town so hard.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #45)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:26 AM

68. Where I grew up will likely be the same, once a staunch democratic region and

very prosperous now fucked over by NAFTA and many Clinton era policies, blue collar and white collar ... now just crap jobs and a Walmart. People working for pennies, some areas in poverty, the once great small towns gone. So, Hillary spouts Bill as her economic adviser because everything he did was so great. I fear the whole area will vote for Trump.


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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #68)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:31 AM

71. I think a lot of people in my area will not bother to vote especially, if it is bad weather.

But, The Old White People around here WILL vote come Hell or High Water. And they will VOTE for Trump.

My precinct votes at our local volunteer Fire Department, btw

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #45)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:16 AM

86. As little as I get out in public, I have heard this as well.

Loathing of the Clintons, and especially Hillary. I hear it a lot.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #45)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:48 PM

169. The trade agreements did that to a lot of towns.

When did union members have to form their own party to try to send a message to Democrats? 1998.

However, I just went to the website. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/working-families-party/422949/

On the home page, a big pic of Bill DeBlasio, who endorsed Hillary. Catch 22, perne in a gyre.

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Response to merrily (Reply #30)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:19 AM

87. I Went To The Grocery Store Yesterday & Saw... This Is REALLY TRUE...

a man wearing a black T-Shirt that had writing on it that said Hillary Clinton Should Be Incarcerated! I don't think I've ever, ever in my life seen a T-Shirt that actually said anything like that and I've been around a VERY LONG TIME!

I've seen many T-Shirts, yard signs, etc., over my lifetime, BUT never that! I almost stopped and asked I'm about it but thought better of it. AND, FWIW I will admit I DO live in a very RED county, but I've seen lots of Bernie bumper stickers and am now seeing some Trump, but so far HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE Hillary bumper sticker.

I live in Florida.

But I have donated to 2 candidates here, only once because I donate monthly to Bernie, but would give them more if I could. But, I A Repub. and this one is Vern Buchanan.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #87)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:28 PM

117. I did a lot of canvassing for Bernie and saw more than a few Hillary for Prison yard signs

 



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #117)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:38 PM

146. Well, They Must Have Several Forms Of Her Being

sent away. Kind of "not so good" I'd say. But I do live in Florida and in a RED county so thought it was more of "that's how it is here!" Guess there's more to the theory of what people must be thinking!

SOOOOOO MANY PEOPLE keep saying over and over IF it's Trump & Clinton this country is about to elected one of there VERY WORST candidates EVER to run for POTUS!

OMG, are we screwed! But, the bright side is that there's this thing called a REVOLUTION AND a MOVEMENT and I finally think we've reached this ridiculous point in our history that brought us THESE TWO so we might FINALLY WAKE The "F" UP!

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Response to merrily (Reply #30)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:17 PM

132. Or your governors.

I swear, for a blue state, Massachusetts seems to really like Republican governors.

I know Coakley was Hillary-like and lost to the current guy as a result, but where did Romney come from?

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #132)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:09 PM

139. Massachusetts has a history

of Dem legislatures combined with Republican governors. William Weld and Frank Sargent are a couple of examples of this. I grew up in Mass, and I think it is a "checks and balances" mentality.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #132)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:43 PM

166. When your legislure is over 90% Democratic, nothing happens unless Democrats say so.

The Massachusetts legislature routinely overrode over 300 of Romney's vetoes every year--and that's when he was still posing as more liberal than Ted Kennedy--which is what Romney said when he ran against Ted in the 1990s. When he ran for Governor, he did not tell us he was in the process of shape shifting because he wanted to succeed Dimson, who pretty much changed the game for Republican Presidents, even appearing much different from his own Pappy..

In the last primary for Mayor of Boston, we started with, I think, 22 candidates. They had only one primary because 21 of them were Democrats and the 22nd was a far right wing pastor who I thought may not have been playing with a full set. So, of course, the general was Democrat v. Democrat.

Maybe you are okay if a liberal Republican is Governor, when your Mayor and and your entire City Council are Democrats, your entire Congressional delegation is Democratic, your legislature is over 90% Democratic, and your state Supreme Court is the first in the country to declare a right to equal marriage. (Maybe you even think some balance would be good. I don't, but some indies might--and most of our registered voters are indies.)

Besides, Massachusetts has a long tradition of liberal, patrician Republican Governors, dating back to when Republicans actually were the more liberal party by far. (Think Lincoln-Douglas. And much less corrupt. Deval Patrick had zero trouble becoming Governor, though. Then again, David Axelrod ran Patrick's campaign before Axelrod ran Obama's.

Besides, it's not as though New Democrats are that different. For example, Romneycare was the model for Obamacare. Billarycare was the model for Romneycare. HeritageFoundationCare was the model for Billarycare. HeritageFoundationcare was developed because some conservatives in Jackson Hole Wyoming thought Nixoncare was too liberal because it had an employer mandate and no individual mandate. Ta Da.





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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:12 AM

34. I'm getting the same message.

How damn depressing with a candidate like Trump looming dead ahead.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #34)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:52 AM

77. It is so damn depressing. In earlier years Trump would have been laughed off the

stage. The rise of Trump shows how desperate millions are in America. The democratic party used to represent millions that will likely be voting for Trump, because his message resonates with them. Trump is a showman and knows how to work the crowds. The DNC/DLC/3rd-Way/DWS IMO are enabling a Trump win in 2016. We're in deep sh** in the US. And "if" Trump wins, the democratic PTB will blame it on Bernie rather than holding a mirror to themselves.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:15 AM

36. And the Volvos we drive are about to be reposessed,

Because what little money we didn't have, we sent to Bernie.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #36)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:24 AM

46. My volvo is in the shop and I had to spend my 27 dollar donation to fix it.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:24 AM

47. Tissue?

These self absorbed vanity posts are so fraught with heated emotions and weepy anxieties that they read like a lovelorn teenager's diary.

I can hardly wait for the exciting conclusion.

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Response to procon (Reply #47)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:33 AM

49. I'd rather have a Q-tip

To clean the ears of those who aren't listening.
Great outreach attempt!
I am after all a 50 year old Drama tweener.
I hate to spoil the ending, but with attitudes and understanding like that: suıʍ dɯnɹʇ

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:34 AM

50. And that's good. Because she ain't getting it.

 

I don't vote for warmongering, inconsistent, venal incompetents.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:54 AM

55. Yep, they don't want my vote

 

I am happy to only vote down ticket

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:56 AM

56. We don't care. Don't vote for her. Just quit whining about it like babies.

 

Is that too much to ask or is your incredible level of narcissism too much of an obstacle to overcome ?

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:03 AM

58. Don't makes excuses if you are not going to vote for Hillary in the fall.

 

You guys are no victims. Your guy lost.

Yes we need your vote but I will not grovel to get it.

Stop making excuses for your candidate's inability to get more delegates and votes than Hillary.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:10 AM

60. That's good. Have they decided to just continue manufacturing the votes they need instead? nt

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:11 AM

61. Good. Because she ain't getting it.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:20 AM

63. If you're in a blue state, vote green.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #63)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:22 AM

65. And in a red state.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #65)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:33 AM

72. have to admit, green is my favorite color.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #72)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:44 AM

75. Yes, it is "growing" on me too!

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:42 AM

74. The feeling is mutual. I don't need her as president.

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:01 AM

78. But The Donald Needs Your Inaction

But the Donald needs your inaction. So if your presidential candidate doesn't get nominated, throw a hissy-fit, sit on your backside, ignore the down-ballot races for national, state, and local Democratic candidates, and give the Donald and the Tea-publicans carte blanche to gut environmental regulations, sell off national parks and national forests to friends, cronies, and campaign donors, gut public education, terminate the ACA, deny women access to birth control, destroy public health, restrict voting rights, and destroy Social Security just to show how ideologically Simon-pure you are.


Or you can put on your big-girl panties and do what you can to make this country a decent place for you and your posterity.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:12 AM

85. She's got the rigged voting machines

 

It seems clear that the people that rig the voting machines are on Hillary's side, so I expect her to be declared the winner in November. She's the one who will keep the gravy train rolling for the MIC and the 1% as usual, so it makes sense that the Powers That Be will be tilting the scales in every way possible in her favor.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #85)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:26 AM

91. That's a good point. Trump's a loose cannon, she's not. nt

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #85)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

96. THIS is what I'm expecting too

she will take care of TPTB so why would they want/need Trump? And she's willing to look at privatizing SS/Medicare, she really doesn't seem to give a damn about gays, minorities, etc., she loves the MIC and the Prison IC - she's PERFECT in every way for the Neocon corporatocracy!

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #85)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:18 PM

109. They will make sure she wins. They

don't need or want our votes.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:26 AM

92. She even said as much.

She doesn't want to or need Sanders voters to win. If that's the case, ...."oopsie, I forgot to vote for President, when I mailed in my ballot!"

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:27 AM

93. We didn't need PUMA of 2008. I do not see we need PUMA of 2016.

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:32 AM

95. The DNC / Democratic party is flying off the rails

 

The Clintons and their quisling leadership have destroyed the Democratic party.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #95)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:49 AM

98. Hey Tabasco

Thanks for teaching me a new word: quising. I had to go look it up!

OH and by the way, love this stuff!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #98)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:23 PM

112. You're very welcome.

 

I highly recommend Valentina hot sauce as well. (You can get it at Walmart).

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Response to tabasco (Reply #112)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:26 PM

115. I am sure I can find it....

San Francisco doesn't have a WALMART, they refused to let them here in our city for
obvious reasons.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #115)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:30 PM

118. Yay for San Fran!

 

I've been referred for a job there but I have no idea where I would live or if I could afford it.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #118)

Sat May 21, 2016, 01:34 PM

119. yeah its super expensive

You would do better in maybe Daly City or perhaps across the bay, near the BART routes, that come into the city. I love the City but I can't afford to move out, nor do I really want to. I tried once to leave, but it was just too difficult to find a place across the bay that was any better price wise.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:49 AM

97. Message received, and as Obama said to Romney, "Proceed"

 


Also, to the content of what you said, they seriously think they are trying for unity? Unity with whom? If that kind of thing leads to unity in their family, then they have a dysfunctional family.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:13 PM

100. Results...

On Sat May 21, 2016, 11:44 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary does not need your vote to win in November
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512020204

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is either meta or should be moved to a support group.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat May 21, 2016, 12:11 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Am I getting punk'd?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Possibly meta, but that's for the hosts to determine. Leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks like a good GDP post to me. Discuss.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Reads more like science fiction than political commentary.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just because you don't like what the poster said doesn't mean it should be hidden. There is NO reason to hide. Refute it in the comments if you so strongly disagree.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #100)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:12 PM

123. I don't really understand the Alert.

I appreciate the fairness of the jurors and the Mods.
This is supposed to be a forum where we talk about the primaries both the good and the bad.
A strong arm will win you a battle but an open hand can win you a friend.
I mean in no way for this to deter those who wish to back Hillary from doing so.
I think they should campaign hard, but campaign smart.
Take the bridge , but don't burn it.
Hillary will never win my heart.
But she may win back my mind.
At least enough of it to stomach voting for her.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:14 PM

101. Then she won't get mine.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:59 PM

106. Agree. She doesnt need mine.

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:01 PM

122. Her campaign messages have made it crystal

clear from the start she does not intend to represent the left And yet we get this mixed message they are inevitable, resistance is futile, kettled in between her and Trump, ha ha ha.

HRC assumes too much, that Bush stole his way in so can she.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 02:23 PM

125. I wonder if it really matters

Either Hillary or the Donald can/will consult Bill.
They are both already digging into his little black book.

I only somewhat jest.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:02 PM

130. the lesser of two evils is still evil

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:24 PM

133. Absolutely Spot. On. K&R

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:00 PM

138. It's a relief to know that, isn't it? Nt

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:29 PM

142. Whew. I can now be relieved of the guilt! Thanks.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:36 PM

145. Madeline Albright

Last edited Sun May 22, 2016, 02:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Saved us.....a special place,...in Hell.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:13 PM

149. It's true she doesn't need us. She has it locked up because Trump is so shitty.

 


On the bright side that frees people up to vote for whoever the actually want instead of worrying about spoilers candidates and stuff like that.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:45 PM

152. Good. Because she's not going to get mine.

 

I will never vote for Trump or Clinton. Both are terrible, imo.

I live in CT, so Hillary will win my state, and that's fine.

I will vote DEMS downticket.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:23 PM

154. K&R

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:57 PM

156. And she shall not get it! n/t

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:17 PM

160. She was never gonna get it so that's good to know. nt

 

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:30 PM

163. Hillary does not need your vote to win in November because...

she won't be the nominee?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #163)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:45 PM

167. Your Hillary-Bernie gif is fantastic! I hope it comes true.


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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:35 PM

164. Good to know!

Thanks for the update... We need those exit polls in Cali.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:58 PM

168. K&R

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:12 PM

170. Fortunate For Her

Oh I will still vote for a woman, one who is a real progressive/populist, Jill Stein....if Bernie indeed cannot defeat Hillary and the DNC and DWS and the MSM.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 11:49 PM

171. Okay

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:52 PM

177. I think she may find out very soon

how much she does need our votes and how there is no way after all her lying and arrogance she will have it. Some from the party may go ahead but the Independents will never, most of them, even consider her. Why would they? She is everything they see as wrong.

She may life to regret all of this or perhaps she says it because she knows she can.

Bloody Hands.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:55 PM

178. And if the party keeps saying that, they won't get it.

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