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Sat May 21, 2016, 08:34 AM

 

It's always Hillary's fault, it's always Hillary's job

As we near the end, and word is that Bernie is quietly telling people behind the scenes that he's going to find a way to play nice once the primaries are over, we are approaching the point in time where we, as a party, unify. Or at least try to.

The common narrative is that unity is Hillary's responsibility, that it is her job to mollify the Sanders supporters who are currently unwilling to giver her their vote. That's partially true. Except for one thing.

In 2008, when the roles were reversed, the narrative was that it was Hillary's job to get her people in line and convince them to support Obama in the fall. The discord was blamed on her, and the calls for unity were nearly exclusively pointed towards her.

So what has changed in eight years to switch the onus from the loser to the winner? There are only two things I can see. 1) Genders have switched, and unconscious sexism is making the woman take the blame, or 2) Hillary really is uniquely held to a different standard than anyone else.

This is one of the reasons why Clinton supports keep laughing at the accusations that the media is biased against Bernie. No one faces the day-to-day intransigence that she does.

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Reply It's always Hillary's fault, it's always Hillary's job (Original post)
CrowCityDem May 2016 OP
DURHAM D May 2016 #1
boston bean May 2016 #2
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #3
cali May 2016 #4
joshcryer May 2016 #16
CanadaexPat May 2016 #5
Uponthegears May 2016 #6
pinebox May 2016 #7
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #22
Sparkly May 2016 #8
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #9
CrowCityDem May 2016 #10
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #13
mindwalker_i May 2016 #14
Nonhlanhla May 2016 #32
arikara May 2016 #11
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #12
seabeyond May 2016 #18
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #20
seabeyond May 2016 #25
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #31
seabeyond May 2016 #33
NCTraveler May 2016 #15
seabeyond May 2016 #17
QC May 2016 #19
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #21
QC May 2016 #23
frylock May 2016 #27
frylock May 2016 #26
pampango May 2016 #24
cwydro May 2016 #28
TeddyR May 2016 #29
AgingAmerican May 2016 #30
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #34
CrowCityDem May 2016 #35
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #36
CrowCityDem May 2016 #37
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #38
CrowCityDem May 2016 #40
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #41
CrowCityDem May 2016 #42
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #43
bigwillq May 2016 #39

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:35 AM

1. True this. nt

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:35 AM

2. I'll take Genders have switched for $2000 CCD!

Cause number 2 is a result of #1.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #2)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:44 AM

3. Gender flip-flop, indeed. Sad truth!

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:46 AM

4. Ultimately, Hillary is responsible. It's her campaign

 

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:20 AM

16. I liked your comments from 2008:

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 08:52 AM

5. There was a lot of pressure on Obama too.

Part of the reason for the pressure on Clinton was things like praising McCain, etc.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:21 AM

6. Poor poor Hillary

 

So Obama left her holding the bag for party unity?

Tell me, on behalf of the most privileged woman in the world, how is it that Hillary sycophant DWS became DNC chair and Hillary became Secretary of State after running a "Reverend Wright/Is he a Kenyan/Is that a joint in his hand" sleaze campaign against Obama in the primary?

Yea, Hillary had to do it all

Hillary Clinton. . . not a victim.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:23 AM

7. Leave Hillary alone!

 

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Response to pinebox (Reply #7)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:16 PM

22. well, maybe

if you have the $2,700 to pony up.
Or you're looking for someone to hire to give a speech

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:27 AM

8. Good point.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:32 AM

9. You're forgetting something. Sanders said he would help her IF

she adopted his platform. You're two months early, and the early indicators I'm seeing don't look like anything remotely close to adopting his platform is going to happen.

Besides, Bernie can't make up for Hillary spitting in our faces, case in point but only the most recent example: her surrogates' performances in Nevada and subsequent lying smears on national tv, and self-serving rules changes in response to invisible chairs that weren't thrown.

We are not blind followers who will do what Bernie says. He knows this and has stated that, numerous times. Her "...unify later" statement that she made on the eve of New York will prove to be another huge mistake in judgement.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #9)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:36 AM

10. Listen to yourself. You put the onus on her to abandon her winning platform, and become Bernie.

 

And you say that as evidence Bernie is going to share the burden? Seriously? When has anyone supporting Bernie said they would make even the slightest concession to their platform if he were to win, to unite with Hillary's voters?

That's the double standard I'm talking about. You articulated it very well.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #10)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:05 AM

13. It's the condition he stated when he said he'd do it.

If she doesn't want that, she's free to reject it.

It has nothing to do with comparing them to other people, or any standard, double or otherwise.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #10)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:06 AM

14. She has a platform?

The only thing I think she's running on is being a woman. Remember when she said, "How will breaking up the big banks solve sexism and racism?"? She adopts Bernie's positions from time to time when people seem to like them. And Hillary sometimes talks about continuing Obama's legacy. But really, she doesn't have any ideas she wants to pursue.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #14)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:05 PM

32. What an ignorant remark.

Why don't you do your homework on Hillary?

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:51 AM

11. Call a wambulance

Gender has nothing to do with it, her nasty spirited campaign is what is driving people away.

IF she is the delegate she and her supporters will have to learn to play nice. And if she/you don't learn how to do that and do it fast you can kiss the left goodbye and stick with the moderate republicans. Unfortunately, she's already indicated that's the course she plans to take.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:57 AM

12. I'm not obligated to fall in lock-step just because someone else thinks it's her turn.

More Poor Hill she such a victim?

All I've seen from her is buddying up with the people that have destroyed democracy and the middle-class and have locked us into perpetual war.

Talk is cheap, apparently so are (temporary?) expedient position reversals.

Talking the talk does not equal walking the walk.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #12)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:31 AM

18. The people voted. You denigrate peoples votes.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #18)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:13 PM

20. failed redirect..... No. I reserve my right to have a reason other than

'fall in line' to vote.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #20)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:31 PM

25. Reducing to people thinking it is her turn absolutely denigrates peoples votes, you know it, why you

 

used it.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #25)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:58 PM

31. Wrong again

I think thats her motivation. Given her history I don't know why anyone would vote for her.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #31)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:14 PM

33. Nope. Not wrong. That is what you did with intent.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:13 AM

15. While the people making those arguments don't get it, it's a sign of respect.

 

They view her as a leader and understand she has shoulders big enough to take on the responsibility.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 10:31 AM

17. It is the woman's job. Always the woman's job to make nice. One of the many quiet, underling effects

 

of our Patriarchy society we will see with a first woman president.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 12:16 PM

19. Our Lady of Perpetual Martyrdom, pray for us! n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #19)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:14 PM

21. Wonder if they think they can get away with that

around Trump? or Putin?

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #21)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:17 PM

23. That's a good question. So far her campaign has consisted

mostly of tone policing. That might work on nice liberals, but I don't think Donald Trump is going to shrink away if someone calls him a meanie.

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Response to QC (Reply #23)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:51 PM

27. I can't imagine Trump or his supporters being cowed by a few tweets.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #21)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:50 PM

26. ..

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:25 PM

24. Since my side is always right, it is always the OTHER side's fault and responsibility to fix things.

That's the way politics work.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:52 PM

28. K and r.

Funny, isn't it?

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:53 PM

29. Serious question for Hills' supporters

 

I think that she's qualified to serve as president based on her experience, and she is a much, much better candidate than Trump (Trump is the worst candidate since at the least Strom Thurmond) but I find her to be a very unlikeable person, as do a majority of Americans (based on numerous polls over the years). So my question is what makes you LIKE Hills? I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but I can't think of a Dem candidate that I've ever disliked more (other than Cynthia McKinney).

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:53 PM

30. Hillary is always the victim

 

Not the stuff of leaders

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:30 PM

34. Whose surrogates repeatedly insulted and belittled millennials?

I hate to break it to you, but for all the bullshit about "they dont vote" - she is going to NEED THEM TO.

It's Hillary's job becuase a) it was her people who burned those bridges and b ) she's the one who is going to be on the ticket.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #34)

Sat May 21, 2016, 05:12 PM

35. Whose surrogates belittled black voters?

 

We can play that game both ways.

The point wasn't to say who should or shouldn't be responsible for unity, but to ask why the onus has shifted from lose to winner, when they both happen to be Hillary. The inconsistency semi rather sexist.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #35)

Sat May 21, 2016, 05:15 PM

36. We cant play the game both ways because only one is going to need those voters in the general.

Thats not sexism, that's logic.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #36)

Sat May 21, 2016, 05:32 PM

37. Yes, only the winner will need votes. Bernie won't need any on his couch.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #37)

Sat May 21, 2016, 05:35 PM

38. Ooooooo! Why, you!!!!

*shakes fist at screen*



Well, ya told me, dint'cha.


Fine, but your goofy attempt at an insult negates the entire premise of your goofy attempt at a point in your OP, then, doesn't it.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #38)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:36 PM

40. If you addressed my initial point, I would have gladly discussed it.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #40)

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:40 PM

41. I did.

For what it's worth, I think once the primaries are over Sanders should endorse Hillary and exhort his supporters to vote for her.

I also think she needs to do a damn better job of reaching out to younger voters, and i dont mean by asking them to come up with 3 emojis expressing how they feel about student loans.

A livable minimum wage, vigorous promotion of the public option on the ACA we were promised, and Real progress on cannabis law reform at the federal level- not just a token move from schedule I to II- would be excellent places to start.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #41)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:08 PM

42. The point:

 

The point I was making was that we set a precedent eight years ago that the lose is responsible for leading the unity charge, and now we're saying it's the winner's job. It seems to boil down to, it's always Hillary's job. I want to know why.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #42)

Sat May 21, 2016, 07:13 PM

43. Both sides worked for unity in 2008. And Hillary stayed in until the end.



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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sat May 21, 2016, 05:38 PM

39. Poor Hillary. Life is so hard for her.

 

At 250,000 a speech.


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