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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:21 PM May 2016

Oregon superdelegates making Sanders/Clinton choices amid growing unease about system

SALEM — After Bernie Sanders won Oregon's Democratic primary this week, two superdelegates announced they'll back the Vermont senator and one declared support for Hillary Clinton, amid increased discomfort with a system viewed as undemocratic, even among some of the superdelegates themselves.

"Every Democrat I have talked to finds the unpledged delegate system offensive," Larry Taylor said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. He became a superdelegate because of his position in the Democratic party in Oregon, but that doesn't mean he agrees with the system.

After Tuesday's primary results came in, Taylor announced he would support Sanders, one of only three superdelegates to do so, with Sen. Jeff Merkley having endorsed Sanders before the primary. Seven have declared they back Clinton. Three remain undeclared.

"I don't think my vote ... should invalidate the vote of thousands of voters," Taylor said. Each delegate vote on the floor of the Democratic convention in July will represent about 8,500 Democrats who voted in the Oregon primary, he noted. He was speaking to AP from Philadelphia, where he and other party officials from Oregon were visiting the convention facilities.




U.S. Rep. Peter DeFazio is unhappy with this system. DeFazio, a superdelegate by virtue of his position as a congressman, is staying out of the fray for now.

"Generally, I do not weigh in on contested primaries, and as long as the race for the Democratic nomination continues, I have no plans to do otherwise," DeFazio said in a statement Wednesday.

He was blunt about his feelings about the superdelegate system, implemented by the Democratic National Committee before the 1984 election to prevent candidates with little chance of winning the presidential election from being chosen as the party's nominee.

"I find the role of superdelegates undemocratic and they should not be a part of the nominating system," DeFazio said. "Instead, I would prefer to let the voters determine the results of presidential primary."



Superdelegate Lupita Maurer came out for Sanders after his win Tuesday, and was delighted to do so.

"I believe I have to represent the majority of voters in Oregon, and so I will vote for him at the convention," she told AP Wednesday.

Maurer, who has dual US-Mexican citizenship, added: "I am from Mexico City, and to me he has done an outstanding job of standing up for the Latino community."

However, she is not a fan of the superdelegate system.

"It's outdated," she said. "We should just get rid of the delegate system completely."

-- The Associated Press


http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/05/oregon_superdelegates_grapple.html

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Oregon superdelegates making Sanders/Clinton choices amid growing unease about system (Original Post) silvershadow May 2016 OP
"I believe I have to represent the majority of voters in Oregon". SheilaT May 2016 #1
I believe they will. Many will come around. nt silvershadow May 2016 #2
I still have hope that they will as the vote hasn't happened yet. NWCorona May 2016 #3
Like Raul Grijalva? barrow-wight May 2016 #21
This primary isn't over despite what the Hillary camp, the DNC and MSM say. KPN May 2016 #4
I agree, and we have been saying as much ever since the wheels fell of the bus silvershadow May 2016 #5
The Party also created a Hillary run-away primary KPN May 2016 #7
The party does not schedule the primaries. Each state does it. LiberalFighter May 2016 #9
Mmmhmmm. And there's no coordination at the national party level. Right! KPN May 2016 #12
You mean like count one of Debbie-gate? The early and sustained collusion? silvershadow May 2016 #16
Really? Primaries are held for both parties at the same time in each state. LiberalFighter May 2016 #18
Primaries are not held at the same time in each State. Some are, some are not. KPN May 2016 #19
You think Trump could win California? Demsrule86 May 2016 #13
Yep. The Party has a real issue to confront with the primaries. I have been calling silvershadow May 2016 #15
I hope he wins California in a blow-out. SheilaT May 2016 #6
Actually Demsrule86 May 2016 #11
Well, she WILL be the nominee, dontcha know? We are just going through formalities at this point. silvershadow May 2016 #17
He won't win California by 80% thus it is over... Demsrule86 May 2016 #8
Same sad old meme. KPN May 2016 #10
Bernie has lost the primary Demsrule86 May 2016 #14
Hillary and DWS are only hurting themselves the last two days ... KPN May 2016 #20
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. "I believe I have to represent the majority of voters in Oregon".
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

Just wish more superdelegates in states that Bernie also won, would do the same.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
4. This primary isn't over despite what the Hillary camp, the DNC and MSM say.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

If Bernie wins CA, it's a whole new ball game. Either way, The Party will have a weak and vulnerable candidate if it put Hillary on the ticket -- and I think many superdelegates will realize that. We shall see.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
5. I agree, and we have been saying as much ever since the wheels fell of the bus
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

at the first of the year. Those Supers committed WAY too early, and now are in a difficult position.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
7. The Party also created a Hillary run-away primary
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

by intentionally scheduling "moderate" States early to give that impression. It wasn't about southern minorities, it was about keeping real progressives at bay by front running the moderate States. It serves to perpetuate the New Democrats control -- nothing more.

Bernie's been gaining on her ever since. If he wins CA, her candidacy is all but over as far as ever having a hope to be President. She may win the nomination, but she will have no chance of beating Trump. She's got way too much baggage, real and perceived. The Indies who have helped Bernie can't be counted on to elect her. Super-delegates will think long and hard on this.

It isn't over. And it's not about the "platform".

LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
9. The party does not schedule the primaries. Each state does it.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

Primaries are conducted under state laws.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
12. Mmmhmmm. And there's no coordination at the national party level. Right!
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016


You aren't really that naive are you?
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
16. You mean like count one of Debbie-gate? The early and sustained collusion?
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

(Wasn't actually Debbie-gate, but was at the same time.)

LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
18. Really? Primaries are held for both parties at the same time in each state.
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

If it was coordinated to that level the Democratic primaries would be held separately from Republican parties.

You are the naive one.

Demsrule86

(68,546 posts)
13. You think Trump could win California?
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

That is hilarious. No, if Sanders wins...nothing changes.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
15. Yep. The Party has a real issue to confront with the primaries. I have been calling
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

for changes for eons. I, too, noticed the very things you mention. Thank you for your post.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
6. I hope he wins California in a blow-out.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

Of course, even if he does, her supporters will be carefully explaining to us why that state no longer matters.

Demsrule86

(68,546 posts)
11. Actually
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

Hillary won California in 2008, and it didn't matter...she also won Ohio, PA,WVA etc...it didn't matter. This contest has been over for a while and Bernie should have acknowledged that...after seeing the fundraising and spending levels in both campaigns...my guess is he needs money I actually don't think Bernie will win California ...but even if he did ...delegate math is delegate math. He has no path...and even if all the supers voted with their states...he would still lose.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
17. Well, she WILL be the nominee, dontcha know? We are just going through formalities at this point.
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

KPN

(15,642 posts)
10. Same sad old meme.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

Try something new for a change. Hillary and New Dems has already lost the war.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
20. Hillary and DWS are only hurting themselves the last two days ...
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

we shall see.

In any case, it may be that Bernie doesn't win the battle, but he's already won the war. The Democratic Party will never be the same. Third Way/New Democrat leadership will be a thing of the past in 2020, and forgotten by 2024.

The movement has already won. Adapt or suffer the dismay.

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