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Mon May 23, 2016, 01:56 AM

Your electoral system is so long! How come the Super Delegates endorsed

Mrs. Clinton so soon? To me, they should have waited to see who else was running and see who is a more viable candidate! I am really confused how elections work in America. Just asking!

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Reply Your electoral system is so long! How come the Super Delegates endorsed (Original post)
akbacchus_BC May 2016 OP
Attorney in Texas May 2016 #1
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #4
HubertHeaver May 2016 #2
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #5
WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #29
Garrett78 May 2016 #34
liberal_at_heart May 2016 #3
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #6
highprincipleswork May 2016 #7
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #8
JVS May 2016 #9
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #10
longship May 2016 #11
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #14
longship May 2016 #16
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #18
longship May 2016 #19
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #20
longship May 2016 #21
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #22
longship May 2016 #23
Joob May 2016 #12
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #15
elleng May 2016 #13
akbacchus_BC May 2016 #17
elleng May 2016 #30
Sky Masterson May 2016 #24
Demsrule86 May 2016 #28
elleng May 2016 #31
moriah May 2016 #25
Thinkingabout May 2016 #26
Demsrule86 May 2016 #27
snowy owl May 2016 #32
DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #33

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:57 AM

1. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #1)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:59 AM

4. Guess you mean Mrs. Clinton is a Wall Street advocate!

Same old same old, nothing will ever change with the status quo!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:57 AM

2. That is a question many of us were asking a year ago. What is the rush?

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #2)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:01 AM

5. I too do not understand the rush to endorse. At least wait

and see who is most presidential rather than endorsing the status quo!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #5)

Mon May 23, 2016, 06:14 AM

29. The Dem Party shut the door in Sanders face before the process began. He wasn't welcome and the

 

media and pollsters, like Nate Silver, tried to chase him away, too. They've been reporting the impossibility of Sanders winning since February.

Do you judge the Democratic Party by their words or actions?

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #5)

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:58 AM

34. Early endorsements are the norm.

People who support someone like to express that support sooner rather than later. That's true in all walks of life.

In 2008, quite a few superdelegates ended up switching allegiance to honor the primary results. All of the superdelegate talk is much ado about nothing. They aren't the reason Clinton has a substantial lead in pledged delegates.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:58 AM

3. We don't even know how it works anymore and that is the problem.

It's all a convoluted mess and it is done intentionally.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:04 AM

6. Then you all have to try and make changes but I know it is

not that simple. Every time we vote for a person whom we think is viable and before you know it, that person reneges on his/her promises.

These presidents take us for a ride just to get votes, I never thought this crap happens in developed countries. Third world countries, for sure!

To be honest with you, I really think President Obama tried, but those republicans stifled him all the way. Glad he did some important issues using his Presidential creds.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:07 AM

7. Paid off is the simple answer.

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #7)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:09 AM

8. This is what makes me so angry, why isn't the working class and the middle class

still supporting the same old! So sorry to say this, but I really do not think Mrs. Clinton is rallying for poor people! Her husband suffocated the working class!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:11 AM

9. Are you familiar with the gaming term "Spawn Camping"?

Rolling out the superdelegates early is one of the tactics she has used in both 2008 and 2012 to defend her status as front-runner.

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Response to JVS (Reply #9)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:15 AM

10. Sorry, not familiar with that term. I am just so sad that the Super Delegates

endorsed her before even knowing who the other candidates were. Just shows that birds of a feather stick together!

I could not believe that Bill O'Malley did not gain any traction, his policies were similar to Mr. Sanders, but am glad that Mr. Sanders is not giving up.

Guess the Super Delegates proclaimed their winner already!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:16 AM

11. The UK does it in a few weeks.

We take, from evidence here at DU, over four years, which is utter fucking bonkers.

In my opinion, candidates should announce their candidacy in late spring during election year with a very compressed primary season a bit later, and the national conventions in September.

That at least brings back some sanity to the system.

Total campaign mode, all the time, does nobody any good.

And the UK, and other countries, do it in six weeks.

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Response to longship (Reply #11)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:19 AM

14. So do us in Canada, this time it took longer, three effing months. Guess Harper

wanted the electorate to know the candidates which worked out fine, but I really thought that the NDP would have won. No, NDP lost and lost a lot of seats too. Mr. Trudeau won and to tell you the truth, I am not impressed with some of the things he is advocating! We will just have to wait and see.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #14)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:24 AM

16. You guys are still doing pretty good.

And I remember Pierre Trudeau.

(And Henri Richard!! The pocket rocket! Go Habs!)



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Response to longship (Reply #16)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:28 AM

18. Thank you, we are. I voted for Justin Trudeau. Met him at Pride

last year, he is trying his best. Price of oil is killing us though, hope the price changes!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #18)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:42 AM

19. Having grown up in Detroit, I had access to Canadian media.

Including CBC on shortwave, "Hockey Night in Canada", and the original, "As It Happens" (copied by NPR as "All Things Considered". Plus, CKLW in Windsor had Bill Kennedy hosting old movies daily at 1PM (often not sober).

You guys get all the good things before we do.

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Response to longship (Reply #19)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:46 AM

20. Good for you that you see our news. Me, I love CNN And MSNBC.

The only thing we have better than some of you is medicare. Our system is fantastic.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #20)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:15 AM

21. That is for sure.

But you have a fucking beautiful country.

I often vacationed in Algoma, north of Lake Superior, certainly one place which can be justifiably called god's country. The continental divide is about 100 miles north of the largest fresh water lake on the planet. Every drop of water north of that point flows into the Arctic Ocean. Everything south of that point flows into the largest lake on the planet. It is a jaw-dropping incredible place, and a wonderfully beautiful wilderness.

And when the continental divide is so close to such a huge body of water there is going to be many, many waterfalls. And there are.

My best.

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Response to longship (Reply #21)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:18 AM

22. You sound very poetic! Are you referring to Niagara Falls, -- that is in Toronto. Am in BC,

Whistler comes to mind?

My best to you too, was lovely exchanging messages with you.

All the best

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #22)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:46 AM

23. Algoma is the area north of Lake Superior.

It has the oldest exposed rock on the continent, the Pre-Cambrian Shield, cut by glaciers. Geologists have wet dreams when they visit there.

It is an astounding place. As is much of your glorious country. I've been to Toronto many times, and nearby Niagara Falls, and Georgian Bay on the Canada side of Lake Huron. I've been as far west as Regina. Sadly, not to the Canadian Rockies. I've even camped on a tributary of the Albany River, which flows into Hudson Bay. Flew back to get there, on a Dehavilland Beaver, the best bush plane ever. So they say. That was quite a few decades ago. Will never forget it.


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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:17 AM

12. Deter other candidates, sway voters showcasing her power. Pretty simple. We ask why. But we know.

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Response to Joob (Reply #12)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:22 AM

15. I always ask myself, how come a country of 440 million people can run a dead beat

candidate, an independent running as a Democrat and Bill Omalley! Where are all the educated people in America? Have they gone fucking AWOL?

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:17 AM

13. They didn't care or want to wait,

they were well paid and/or strong-armed.

Elections 'work' very badly here, and getting worse every day.

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Response to elleng (Reply #13)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:25 AM

17. Still El, the best is only Hilary Clinton, look at how her husband is rooting for her!

Where the hell are the educated people of America who wants to change the status quo, expect having Trump as a President?

I was talking to my aunt who lives in NY last weekend and I told her, brace yourself, you will be getting a Trump presidency, she said, hell no! I hope that buffoon does not get elected.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #17)

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:05 AM

30. I've been wondering the same thing, akbacchus,

Where the hell are the educated people of America who wants to change the status quo?

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:31 AM

24. Because our system is corrupt

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #24)

Mon May 23, 2016, 06:07 AM

28. the system is fine

It revealed who Bernie is...imagine saying Hillary is one of the 'lesser of two evils'. He lost because he did not have the votes. Hillary beat him fair and square...and now he comes off as whiny and bitter.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #28)

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:08 AM

31. In NO way does Senator Sanders express as 'whiny and bitter,'

but someones have decided they'd brand him and his supporters that way and foolish people have adopted those memes because they're not thoughtful enough to come up with better ways of expressing their disagreement with his points of view.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:48 AM

25. SD endorsements are kind of a vanity.

I know why, for example, Lottie Shackelford from Arkansas declared her support from Hillary -- was at the Super Tuesday watch party here in LR and heard her give an interview. She wasn't bought by the Clintons -- instead, they had a long, cooperative relationship when he was governor and she admires Hillary in particular.

But following tradition set in 2008 with supers following pledged delegates, instead of as in 2008 when Hillary started out with a lot of vanity endorsements but those flipped as Obama became more likely to win, this time they've stayed where they are. If Bernie does pull off a pledged delegate victory, they will switch then to make sure enough give him 2383.

And with only one more truly decisive primary day, there's little reason for them to switch now.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:59 AM

26. Many of the earlier endorsements came from congressional members who

Had worked side by side with both Hillary and Bernie.

The other side is how many here made a decision early to support one of the candidates? I did. And if you remember there was lot of pressure for the candidates to declare early.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 06:05 AM

27. No you are not

Bernie Sanders lost the primary..it does not matter who the supers supported initially...he had a shot and lost. Now, he thinks supers would ever choose him? He lost by all measures and should concede and endorse.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:35 AM

32. It was Hillary's turn. We don't have real campaigns with informed voters. It's her turn.

Simply put.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:43 AM

33. It is no different than running for any other office in the United States.

Part of a candidate's campaign is to seek out prominent members of the state or district a candidate wants to represent and ask for their endorsement. It helps if they know the candidate and that candidate has helped them in the past.

Super Delegates just ratify the process...

Nothing nefarious, nothing mysterious...

The Supers could have changed their minds when BS announced his candidacy. For whatever the reason they just weren't all that into him.

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