'I'm not with her': why women are weary of Hillary Clinton

[insta8er]

As a whole, women support Clinton over Trump and Sanders, but 49% of women from across the political spectrum give her an unfavorable rating



Anoa Changa is a feminist who isn’t going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Last July, when the 34-year-old Atlanta-based attorney began volunteering with the grassroots organization Women for Bernie Sanders, she received immediate pushback from other women. Over social media, they accused her and other Sanders volunteers of betraying their gender, and of being fake feminists. Even former professors and friends questioned how she could support the Vermont senator over the secretary of state.

“Some women I encounter act as if I’ve betrayed some kind of secret society,” says Changa. “I reject this brand of feminism. I’m not only voting for my gender, I’m voting for other issues.”

For the first time in its history, America is close to electing a female president, yet many women from across the political spectrum don’t like Clinton.

It’s true that, as a whole, women support her more than both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, but that support is not nearly as overwhelming as black voter support was for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. Millennial women, for example, prefer Sanders to Clinton and 49% of American women give the secretary of state an unfavorable rating.

I’m not only voting for my gender, I’m voting for other issues
Anoa Changa
Women from across the political spectrum, who often can’t agree on basic policy, are united in their opposition to Hillary.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/women-female-voters-us-election-hillary-clinton

[Thinkingabout]

1. All the younger women who did not go through the changes from our great grandmothers to now,

be happy, at one time women did not even get the opportunity to vote, at one time women was not lawyers, doctors, engineers, we were hairdressers, school teachers, secretaries or nurses. Not that way anymore, thanks to women like Hillary.

[cali]

5. Young women are not as ignorant as you think

[still_one]

26. No they are not, and my daughter is voting for Hillary

[CherokeeDem]

28. It has nothing to do with ignorance....

It has to do with enlightenment about what women of Hillary's generation and the generation before and after her had to go through to reach their goals. Goals men, and now younger women, take for granted.

While I am happy, opportunities for women have improved to the point that women can forget the fight, I am concerned. The attitudes of many men haven't changed and unless we recognize that fact and continue to fight for equality, I fear we will lose it.

[Seeinghope]

39. I am in Hillary Clinton generation and just because she is a woman isn't enough to make me vote

for her. That is just sexist. I am not sexist. I vote for the candidate for the issues not the sex. I vote for the candidate who I believe will follow thru on what they say that they will try to do. For those two things I will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

I believe that women are just as capable as men to be President of the United States. I also believe that this country is behind the times in it's attitude towards women's skills and leadership abilities. I hope to see a woman as President of the United States before I die.

I have a few friends that were very vocal about voting for Hillary Clinton when the Primary season started. I asked them why they were voting for her and the first thing that popped out of their mouth was that it was time for a woman to be President of the United States. I told them that isn't a qualification and that it is a sexist attitude. I also said that she is the wrong woman running. I would vote for Elizabeth Warren not Hillary Clinton. We discussed issues where I further explained why I wouldn't vote for her. They mostly did not know much about the issues but we're still steadfast on their decision. That and only that was the driving force. It was ludicrous just a ludicrous as not voting for her because she is a woman.

[CherokeeDem]

42. Did I say that?

I did not and for your information, I am not supporting Hillary because she's a woman. My point is young women today are unaware of the efforts made by women like Hillary and others to make the possibility of a woman running for office, any office possible, and feasible. That's not a bad thing. I don't want them to fight like we had to for opportunities.

I am very tired of this "They are only voting for her because she is a woman" debate. The fact is, as citizens we have the right to vote for whom we choose for whatever reason and not be questioned or ridiculed or demeaned. You are right, voting for her because she's a woman or because he's a man is ludicrous.

[Seeinghope]

46. I was taking what you said and expanding on it in a couple of ways. I am sorry if it offended you.

You are right. Many young women do not realize what things were like decades ago. More men still don't realize it and don't want to accept it but that is just something that we cannot fix tidy. I cannot possibly know what it was like to not be able to vote, drive, get a divorce, own property....as far as men not wanting to accept change, well you can't fix dumb.

I would jus like to see a smart and informed electorate. That is just dumb of me because it just never will be.

I see Hillary Clinton and I see a person who evolves depending on the circumstances. Who doesn't want to own up to who she really is. The other day Trump was talking about the IRS auditing his tax return. He said they were doing so because he paid relatively a low amount of Federal income tax. He said " io don't want to pay anymore tax than I absolutely have to pay". At first I was appalled and angry that he would have the audacity to say that. For as much money as he is worth, he should pay his taxes and not look for every loophole possible. It then dawned on me, THAT is the difference between Hillary Clinton and Trump, she would never be so bold and forthcoming. She would skirt around things as much as possible because she is most definetly not a straight forward person that really says what she means. You cannot count on her. Just study video's over the years .... even months. She is either evolving or embellishing. Bosnia was one of the best examples. Just like the e-mails on her personal server. She is not a stupid woman. She knew that she was doing something that was not normal for a Secretary of State who handles sensitive material on a daily basis. She continued her advisory relationship her close friend when she was told not to. Then all of the e-mails were supposedly handed over.....but they were not. Transparency is not one of her strong suits...neither is consistency or honesty. She would not be a shining example for the first woman President of the United States. She would set women back as a matter of fact.

[cali]

57. Lol. You don't realise it but you just called them ignorant.

[pangaia]

102. What in the world does that have to do with voting for Clinton now?

Because she is a WOMAN?

[yuiyoshida]

51. Agreed!

[tonyt53]

6. Ya got that right! Barefoot and pregnant wasn't just a running joke - it was expected.

[farleftlib]

43. Hillary has done nothing for feminism

In fact, she's a perfect example of the Peter Principle.

If suffrage was still an issue, she'd just say she'd have to look into whether she could support it or not.

Speeches are not actions.

[Thinkingabout]

45. Now if you had said Sanders has done nothing for feminism you would be right.

Hillary lived the stay back you women, Sanders has never lived this. Hillary has been trying to get women's pay equal for a long time, she has advocated for women for a long time.

[Android3.14]

52. Informed voters know Bernie is the true feminist

From Huffington Post

In looking at Sanders’ commitment to women’s issues, from an unwavering commitment to reproductive rights, to the $15 minimum wage, to single-payer healthcare, or a dozen other issues — it’s clear ordinary women stand to gain greatly from what Bernie is campaigning for.

Hillary’s own political history reveals the hollowness of her expressed oneness with ordinary women. She helped champion Bill Clinton’s gutting of welfare funding in the 1990s, which plunged hundreds of thousands of women (particularly black women), into a deadly spiral of intergenerational poverty.

And this

As Secretary of State, Clinton was stunningly silent on the widespread abuse of women’s rights in U.S. supported regimes like Saudi Arabia, and put U.S. corporate interests squarely ahead of questions of women’s and human rights.

[Thinkingabout]

56. Since I am an informed voter I know Sanders is not a feminist, a true feminist

Would not write an article about women's fantasies of being raped by three men at the same time and publish it. The mere fact of mentioning rape of women, a violent crime against women, again Clinton has advocated against violence against women worldwide

[Android3.14]

76. Apparently, for low information voters, fiction is more important than reality

It is a fallacy to argue that Clinton has supported women's rights, because Sanders wrote a short story. Her support has nothing to do with his fantasy. This is known as an Hillogical argument.

If you wish to make a real argument, please try again. I'll even start the first sentence for you, "Hillary has supported women's rights better than Sanders because..." and then you fill in the missing part with some evidence or logic.

The record shows that Sanders has consistently supported women's rights whereas Hillary Clinton is on record stating it's okay to put limits on abortion. Her decisions and support of corporate interests and pro-imprisonment policies have unduly burdened women, especially women minorities, single mothers, and and women with low incomes.

[Nedsdag]

82. I love your signature.

I have nothing to add to this conversation.

[Thinkingabout]

91. No, Hillary is not a feminist because Sanders wrote the article, I am saying

Sanders is not a feminist and because he wrote an article talking about rape does not show he cares about violence against women.
Hillary is a feminist in her own right, has advocated for women for a long time, before she was first lady of Arkansas, what was Sanders doing, writing about women's fantasies being raped by three men at once, unacceptable.

[Amaril]

94. A truly informed voter would know

that it was a satirical commentary on gender stereotypes in sexual relationships in the freaking 1970's.

But, go ahead. Please keep parroting the tired meme that Sanders is a sexual deviant.........or supports sexual deviants......or whatever the fuck the point is.

Buh-bye.

[pangaia]

103. You are wasting your time with her.

I tried months ago to discuss things... finally just gave up.

She has no idea what Bernie was even writing about. Ziltschh

[Amaril]

106. I suspected as much

........which is why I invited her to my ignore list immediately after posting that response, but thanks for the head's up!

Most of the Hillary camp recognizes that meme for the steaming pile of nonsense it is and they've left it alone. There are a few; however, that refuse to let it go, even though it has been pointed out numerous times that it isn't what they think / claim it is.

[Thinkingabout]

112. Tell this to Sanders, I did not write the article nor did I have it published. Rape may be

satirical commentary, in my book rape is an act of violence.

[Ash_F]

49. Clinton has said she would be open to additional constitutional restrictions to abortion

We already have constitutional restrictions. It is called Roe v Wade

What if Sanders had taken this position?

[Thinkingabout]

58. When you get the truth then let me know.

[Ash_F]

60. It's on video

[senz]

92. Hillary favors constitutional restrictions of abortion. It's right here --

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

Bernie is 100% prochoice. Always has been.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/hillary-clinton-late-term-abortions

[hobbit709]

63. Most of the women I know are within 10 years of my age(65) and 90% are for Bernie

[Thinkingabout]

65. This is not my experience, guess we run in different circles. In fact I only

Know one person who is for Bernie and I know many.

[arikara]

79. I'm pretty sure Hillary had nothing to do with it

It was the women who decided not to listen to the "no you can't" bs and did what they wanted to do anyhow often with great opposition and difficulty. The ones who fought for and are still fighting for equal and decent wages, rights and consideration.

Hillary sat on the board of Walmart, a company still notorious decades later for treating women worse than men. She was first lady who went along to get along and made concessions she admits she didn't want to make such as giving up her name and wearing contacts. She was in a twofer presidency who did things that actually hurt women. The "its her turn" has nothing to do with feminism, it has to do with that Bill had his turn and now its hers.

I agree, it would be wonderful to see a woman president. Just please, not her.

[Thinkingabout]

88. She lived it, while in Wal-Mart board she advocated for women to be promoted and women started

Getting promotions. Have you ever been told "these jobs are for men because they have to provide for their families", I have. I lived the transition also, I know what it is like to remain on positions which paid less so the men could have the higher paying jobs, or women needs to be home barefoot and pregnant.

[senz]

93. Hilary was never a friend of working class women

The only women she champions are upper middle class.

https://www.liberationnews.org/hillary-clinton-die-hard-enemy-poor/

While she pushed the company to hire women as top-level executives, a hollow approach to equality that leaves behind the overwhelming majority of poor and working women, she never spoke out on workers’ rights. John E. Tate, Clinton’s colleague on the Wal-Mart board for four years, has gone on record recalling that “She was not an outspoken person on labor…”

[Thinkingabout]

99. Good RW talking point, or the people who wants to hold women back.

[senz]

100. Bernie is 100% pro-choice. His supporters are to Hill's LEFT.

I don't trust Hillary to protect women's rights any more than I'd trust her to protect anyone but herself and her Wall Street donors. She looks very Republican to me.

[Thinkingabout]

109. Women's rights are more than abortion rights. You do not know who a republican if you are saying

Hillary looks like a republican to you. Sanders is too far left for me. Sanders is with the RW and the NRA. I will go with the Wall Street speeches when the money is going to charity. What is Sanders doing for charity? A Democrat is charitable.

[senz]

110. Hillary's Wall Street speech haul did not go to charity.

Bernie isn't wealthy with ill-gotten corrupt money, but he has spent his entire life working for the rights of oppressed people and he didn't get a tax write-off for it, either.

[Thinkingabout]

111. Not true, she donated it to the Clinton Foundation. Sanders per the tax summary he released,

Sanders is in the top 6% of wage earners, donated very little to Sanders, according to his tax return, is Sanders lying? BTW, does Sanders have a foundation which is charity and gives to others who are in need?

[Thinkingabout]

101. You probably didn't know she worked for the CDF instead of taking a position at a well established

Law firm. RW talking points do not change the facts of her life, maybe you only heard about her speeches, no lots between her birth and the speeches.

[arikara]

97. Yes I heard that a lot too when I was younger

I was a single mother with no support from the father and I had to fight twice as hard for a career in a male dominated profession so I could provide a decent life for my daughter. But I did it. Yes I know all about inequality and having to buck the system beginning when I was a small girl as my own father was a big chauvinist. Thankfully he was a good man and evolved, and he was proud of what I did but that's another story.

As for Walmort, if she was instrumental for getting a few women promotions that's well and good but on the whole they have not changed, its still a male dominated structure and they still treat women like second class citizens.

[KingFlorez]

2. Some people love attention

Just because she isn't voting for Clinton doesn't mean she deserves some kind of damn prize.

[insta8er]

3. Yes you do, because if you would have taken the time to read the article you would realize that your

comment doesn't make any sense.

Millennial women, for example, prefer Sanders to Clinton and 49% of American women give the secretary of state an unfavorable rating.

[KingFlorez]

4. Yet, Clinton has demolished Sanders in the primary

Bye, Felicia.

[cali]

9. She hardly demolished him. Had she done so, they wouldn't, for example, be

be making concessions to him regarding the the convention.

Bernie started out with 3% and no money against a candidate with all the institutional advantages of an incumbent president. What he's done is extraordinary according to everyone but a few Hillary supporters who can't see reality through their hill tinted glasses.

She certainly beat him, but it's ludicrous to claim she demolished him.

And you say Bernie supporters live in a fantasy world.

[Jester Messiah]

12. And what might the outcome have been if Payday Debbie hadn't had her thumb on the scale? n/t

[Seeinghope]

40. She did not demolish Bernie Sanders

There are barely a few hundred delegates separating them. She has 26 states won, he has 21 states won. There at least 2 of those states that are most like Bernie Sanders wins but the shenanigans during the primaries gave her at least 2 states. Her one win was 1/2% another win was a coin toss? So how do you come up with demolish when you have a candidate that is overwhelmingly known around the world against a candidate who nobody had even really heard of? Hillary Clinton is still sweating this Primary for more than one reason. Oh and forget about the Super delegates count .. That number become valid during the convention since they can change their mind at any time.

[insta8er]

10. Hahhaha, LOL nothing else eh? figures. Maybe time to actually read stuff before you open your?

[Peace Patriot]

7. K&R!!!

I'm not with her either!

71 year old California Democratic woman here! I don't buy Clinton's faux feminism. She's a war hawk with a very cold heart, indeed, for the women of Honduras, the women of Libya and for poor women here and everywhere.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. Nor am I.

"Because vagina" doesn't work on me; I've got one, too...and so fucking what? Both candidates are more than trustworthy on feminist issues, and all that vacuous "first woman president" prattle doesn't mean a damn thing to me if that woman has massive downsides to this progressive feminist.

[yuiyoshida]

53. I'm with you Lizzie!

[Lizzie Poppet]

66. On a related note...

Got my copy of "Brand New MAID" from Amazon.jp a couple days ago.

Wowsers!

[yuiyoshida]

72. Hey, guess who is following me on twitter?

@bandmaid
Oh... and @theSLANTS too... they got some great stuff

[Lizzie Poppet]

84. Ha! That's cool!

I'm followed by Mitsuru (Bridear), which surprised me a lot (I play music...but I'm a violinist, not a guitarist!). But we've had some nice exchanges.

I've seen The Slants a bunch of times (I'm a Portlander...). Love 'em...

[yuiyoshida]

85. Yeah noticed they were in

Portland,....I am sure they have played San Francisco a number of times, their name totally was something I would remember!

link to some more of their music: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018868353

[Skwmom]

11. They are overestimating the # of women who will vote for Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512010409

[democrank]

13. Almost 72 and I`m not with her either.

And neither are any of my feminist friends. All of us vote issues, not gender.

[840high]

32. 77 - for Bernie

[Duval]

73. Another 77, for Bernie

[Tarc]

14. Obviously she doesn't have 100% of the female vote, but she does have a significant majority

6% of African-Americans voted for Romney in 2012. Anomalies happen...

[EndElectoral]

15. People don't like liars and pandering and constant evolving to get votes

It's really as simple as that.

[pmorlan1]

16. Opportunity LOST

They have been ham-handed in trying to guilt women into voting for her. I'm a strong feminist and I don't take to having people try to guilt me into voting for someone especially when it's a bad candidate. In addition, the worst thing they've done is all of their faux cries of sexism that have turned a lot of people off - me included. As a feminist I'm a fierce defender against sexism (real sexism) but the Clinton campaign supporters are like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. They've called everything sexism and because of that they have done great damage to those who are fighting against real sexism. Due to their mindless hurling of the word sexism it's now seen more as a punchline than what it really represents. For that I will never forgive them.

[JRLeft]

20. In all reality, there is real sexism on twitter. She's been called every vulgar name in the book.

[pmorlan1]

29. On Twitter

there is most certainly a lot of sexism even for those of us who don't support Hillary so I hear you. I agree with you.

Here at DU, however, what bothered me was seeing a lot of her supporters call almost any criticism of her sexism. It's really angered me when I've seen it and I've said so on several occasions. Sadly, when you wield claims of sexism like a weapon just to shut down criticism of your candidate you offend a lot of people who are not sexist. It's dumb, it's counterproductive and what's more it's damaging to women who suffer from real sexism.

[JRLeft]

31. Yeah, she's lied about on a lot of occasions.

[ms liberty]

61. This. n/t

[MisterP]

27. note how it's the Valenti-Marcotte "it's the penis that's the problem" type of "feminist"

small wonder they all excuse Bill

[Hiraeth]

70. very well said. thank you.

[MineralMan]

17. Women vote one person at a time, just like

everyone else. One woman holding up a sign is simply one woman expressing her opinion. We'll see how women's votes line up in November. I'm especially interested in Democratic women's votes in November.

I'll bet that some women vote for Donald Trump, too. One at a time. Everyone votes, one person at a time.

[insta8er]

22. I should not have put the picture up, but I could have guessed that the majority of her supporters

would not take the time to read the whole article.

[MineralMan]

23. I read it. My point still stands.

Each voter votes according to his or her own ideas.

[insta8er]

25. You also said: One woman holding up a sign is simply one woman expressing her opinion.

making it look like this was just about one woman's opinion. While the article talks about 49% unfavorability ratings among ALL women regarding your candidate.

[ancianita]

18. I'm not "with her," but I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, because I'm with "Better is good."

And "good" isn't about women uniting in opposition to Hillary.

This isn't about the "lesser of two evils" argument, either.

This is about the better of two goods, and her good is THE "better of two goods" that a binary election choice forces upon us. Women and all their Bernie allies had better realize it.

We might well be surprised at how she keeps her old school hubz on a leash as she runs this country. I don't think she's gonna let him waltz into the Oval and have her ear daily.

I still have much hope that Hillary's toughness will show that horndog some new tricks.

[TheKentuckian]

68. Why? She hasn't worked any magic the past 40 years or so what is the fuel for hope now?

How did Trump become a good for her to be the better of the two goods?

[ancianita]

74. Inclusion of the progressive wing gives me hope. Yeah, you're right about Trump. No good there.

The fact that she's going to be a smart president, get Obama's advice anytime she needs it, also gives me hope.

Let's just shift into making this a campaign that will drive Trump back to the WWE where he belongs.

[TheKentuckian]

86. What inclusion? Seems hacks like Brock and Schultz run the show and there has been nothing but

cutting off the left at the knees and telling lies to discredit anything left of the old DLC to me.

If inclusion now means strident and continuous efforts to hobble and silence then maybe so.

[ancianita]

98. You're right, but now that they've got a foothold working on the party platform, they're not

going away. Brockies may ignore them but they're not having it.

[TheKentuckian]

113. Not enough votes to force movement on the platform and no method to enforce it if they did.

It is a cost free bone to be tossed to act as a pacifier and evidence of reaching out that doesn't translate to anything of substance.

You're right though there is no going away but power never surrenders so sharp elbows will have to be thrown and power taken by any means necessary including culling the herd.

[ancianita]

115. Add Cummings and Lee and there's a possibility.

[TheKentuckian]

116. I trust Lee, Cummings seldom actually bucks the company line even if he pretends he might for a bit.

Either way, there is now way to enforce it.

Look, I think it is important symbolism and I'd surely be even more pissed being locked out of crafting it but in the end symbolism is what it is.

It's a bone but a meager one. Like being able to input on the interior design but not the house or the actual decor purchases.

[One Black Sheep]

19. Yep, one of the little reported stories of this election. Hillary is disliked by half of all women

even, she even loses many women voters...it's a recipe for disaster. There are simply not enough minorities to make up for this, since Hillary also loses men in vast numbers according to polls, and plus all the white voters who also seem to dislike Hillary (whites are still over 60% majority in the US, some reports put them at a 70% majority)

That is why its so puzzling to hear Hillary supporters disparage Bernie's support among whites, as if it is a bad thing, because its kind of important to do well with the majority population, DUH. Its simple math.

[insta8er]

24. I am not white either, but somehow I cannot seem to get it through to "them". I wish I was still 30

but that was almost 20 years ago.

[XemaSab]

50. The US is 16% Hispanic and 13% Black

Even if every single Hispanic and Black voter goes for Hillary, that's not even 30% of the vote.

#Hillarymath

[dana_b]

21. Obviously a lot of women are

Making these decisions based on more than gender. Gender issues are definitely important to me however so are lots of other issues and overall I think that Bernie is better on most issues. I do understand that some women really want to see a woman in charge for a change. I am just not sure why they want THIS woman.

[MFM008]

30. because Trumps policies are so much better

for women?

[B Calm]

33. My 64 yr old wife thinks Hillary stinks!

[insta8er]

34. She does have a certain "air" around her...I don't know if it stinks though... LOL

[B Calm]

35. If it comes down to Hillary and Trump, I know I will have to pinch my nose to vote for her

in November.

[insta8er]

36. LOL

[nc4bo]

37. I don't even want to be in the same room with her.

Believe it.

Sooooooo NOT with her.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Im sure they will be finger-wagged, insulted, and told to get off the lawn

UNITY!

[Land of Enchantment]

41. 63 am not, never have been and never will be with her...nt

[Nye Bevan]

44. When it comes down to Hillary versus Donald "blood coming out of her wherever" Trump,

who wants "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions and has a binder full of anti-choice SCOTUS nominees, the vast majority of even somewhat ambivalent women will do the right thing in November.

[athena]

47. When a woman bashes Hillary Clinton,

that says more about her than it does about Hillary Clinton. In fact, it says absolutely nothing -- nothing whatsoever -- about Hillary Clinton.

So go ahead. "Brag" about how you're a woman voting against her, or about how you're a man whose wife claims she is voting against her. The point you're making is not what you think it is.

[chervilant]

62. Bashes?

Brag?!?

I find your response both offensive and condescending.

Hi11ary is solely responsible for her actions and attitudes. She is not presidential timber, and no amount of condescension will change that.

#NotMeUs

#DropOutHillary

[Hiraeth]

71. I like what it says about these women. It says they have evolved. Maybe, you catch up.

[Throd]

75. It's much easier being a male.

I can bash (or speak the truth as it were) about any amount of males all day long and I won't get a ration of crap from other men that I'm betraying the brotherhood.

How do you fell about Sarah Palin?

[athena]

117. Your claim is that Hillary Clinton is the same as Sarah Palin?

Really? Seriously?

You might as well say that President Obama is like Donald Trump, and that supporting one means supporting the other.

I stand by my statement. Those who claim to be on the left and yet oppose Hillary Clinton say more about themselves than they do about Hillary Clinton. The responses to my post demonstrate my point beautifully.

ETA: It's very interesting that all the Bernie supporters thought I was saying women should support women. I said no such thing. I do not support Michele Bachmann. I do not support Sarah Palin. I do not support Condaleeza Rice. I support Hillary Clinton. When a woman supports a man who has stated that women's issues are a distraction from the important issues and has zero women among his top ten highest-paid campaign staff over a woman who has focused on women's issues her whole life and has six women among her top ten highest-paid campaign staff, that woman is making a statement about her own belief system, not about Hillary.

[Amaril]

95. What complete nonsense

Being a feminist does not mean that we swear a blood oath to give each other a pass when we're doing something that may / will cause harm, and Hillary has had her hands in many harmful / potentially harmful things.........War is harmful. Limiting a woman's access to abortion is harmful. Refusing to work toward single payer is harmful. Welfare reform (under Bill) was harmful. Failing to safeguard classified documents is harmful.........and my saying so is NOT misogyny nor does it diminish my feminist cred.

You know what does smack of misogyny? Demanding that Hillary receive special treatment or consideration because she is a woman.

[Lizzie Poppet]

105. Complete twaddle.

When I bash Hillary Clinton, it is for very specific reasons relating directly to her actions, her statements, and my estimation of her character. It means no more (and no less) than what I specifically write or say. Those things are very demonstrably about Hillary Clinton...bullshit amateur tele-psychoanalysis notwithstanding.

[jamese777]

108. Specifically Bash Away

but obviously there are a lot of folks who disagree with you.

Gallup Poll Most Admired Woman
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[eridani]

48. I'm not weary of Clinton. I just disagree with her policies n/t

[rjsquirrel]

54. Yeah not really

Her exit polls show otherwise.

[Vattel]

55. No one likes to choose the lesser of two evils.

[merrily]

59. #SheIsWithHerself; #BernieIsWithUs.

[Enthusiast]

64. Kicked and recommended! nt

[seaglass]

67. What's the point of this thread? Soon there will be a choice, Clinton or Trump and they will have

to choose or be irrelevant.

[djean111]

78. I honestly believe that, to Hillary, we are all irrelevant anyway, she just wants us to put

her in the White House. After that, the Third Way and neocon and MIC and corporate wish lists will be the only things relevant to her. What someone on a message board thinks is the irrelevant thing.

[seaglass]

80. I feel sad for you, it must really suck to believe that. n/t

[djean111]

81. Oh, save your "sadness", really. Not needed in the slightest. And I suspect that is merely just

a condescending attempt at a put-down. Missed your mark, really!

And "really suck" is SUCH a subjective thing, n'cest-ce pas?

For me, finding out that the Democratic Party is championing someone who is a Third Way neocon prevaricating hawk really sucks. Big time.

[nashville_brook]

69. voting issues, not gender.

[djean111]

77. I am a 70 year old woman. I vote based on issues, not gender. I cannot support Hillary.

The assumption that I would disregard the issues and vote based on gender is insulting. So is the effort to portray Hillary as a victim of sexism because of twitter feeds. BFD. Does not override the fact that I hate war and the TPP and cluster bombs and the Third Way, and Hillary is FOR all of those things. Again, that is insulting, and not what feminism is about.

[Exilednight]

83. interesting story on NPR this morning. white women are not supporting Hillary

According to current polls. The one demographic that Hillary needs to win.

[Beacool]

87. Says a 34 year old who wasn't alive when the women from my mother's generation

were on the front lines of the women's movement. My mother remembered the era where women suffered botched abortions that left many sterile, or worse, dead. She remembered the employment ads in the 60s that said that women need not apply.

It's easy for these young self entitled women to reject Hillary. I hope that they are not stupid enough to stay home or vote for Trump in the general election.

[jwirr]

89. 74 year old great grandmother and I have other issued to

vote for that greatly effect the future of my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.

When I support Bernie I can trust that he supports most of the women's issues that I am concerned about - sometimes he supports women's issues better than she does. Poor women's issues.

[senz]

90. Hillary is open to constitutional restrictions on abortion

with an exception for the life and health of the woman.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

Bernie has always been completely prochoice. A woman controls her own body.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/hillary-clinton-late-term-abortions

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

96. Wife just turned 77 and won't vote for Hillary.

But, she will probably vote for another woman running for president.

[The empressof all]

104. As it looks now...I'm Anyone But Trump

But that doesn't mean I'm with her....Just sayin....

I will use my vote in the best way to keep that maniac out of office

And honest to goodness.....I've never been so disgusted to vote in an election in my life

[jamese777]

107. There will be Trump & 3rd Party Candidates

on the General Election ballot. No one HAS to vote for Hillary Clinton. Let's see what enfolds in the Fall.

[davidn3600]

114. And of course the 2nd wavers only insult millennial women

Gloria Steinem claiming young women are only with Bernie in order to "be with the boys." Meanwhile these same feminists say supporting Hillary has nothing to do with gender.....yeah right. "There's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." -Madeline Albright.

Young women see Hillary and other 2nd wave feminists as still fighting battles of the 1960s and 1970s. Millennial women aren't fighting that so much anymore. These young women grew up in an environment of reproductive rights, sexual revolution, birth control, "girl power," etc.. They no longer see the barriers their grandmothers saw. Instead, these women are more interested in the barriers that they do see in front of them. And many of those barriers are not only applied to women. They are applied to different races, different sexual orientations/identities. Different economic classes. Even men.

Because of this, these women are wanting to fight different battles that apply to today and tomorrow. They care far more about social-economic equality. They are far more into the idea of intersectionality.

The youth generation as a whole is far more egalitarian. And they are far less loyal to political establishments than their parents and grandparents. Even right wing millennials don't really identify with the Republican establishment at all. Those youths are more libertarian and socially more open-minded.