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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:33 PM May 2016

Sanders: "not all of my supporters go to these fancy fundraising dinners, they're working people..

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Bernie Sanders digs in
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By Stephen Collinson, CNN
May 23, 2016


Washington (CNN) — The stakes of Bernie Sanders' take-it-to-the-convention strategy are rapidly rising as fresh polls underscore Hillary Clinton's vulnerabilities and predict a tight race between her and Donald Trump in the fall.

Still, Sanders is not heeding calls from some Democrats to get out of the race -- or at least cool his rhetoric during the final weeks of the primary season. Instead, he kept up his blistering criticism of Clinton over the weekend and deepened his feud with the party establishment, including endorsing the primary challenger to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

"The last I heard is that we are a democratic country, and that elections are about vigorous debates over the issues. Secretary Clinton and I disagree," Sanders told Jake Tapper Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." "What the Democratic leadership has got to understand is that not all of my supporters go to these fancy fundraising dinners. They're working people who are hurting now, who want real change in the economy."

"Any objective assessment of our campaign versus Clinton's campaign, I think, will conclude we have the energy, we have the excitement, we have the young people, we have the working people, we can drive a large voter turnout, so that we not only win the White House, but we retain, regain control of the Senate, do well in the House and in governor's chairs up and down the line," Sanders told Tapper.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2016/index.html
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Sanders: "not all of my supporters go to these fancy fundraising dinners, they're working people.. (Original Post) imagine2015 May 2016 OP
No, most likely they do not. But by not going, they aren't helping downticket Democrat candidates. tonyt53 May 2016 #1
1 cent of every dollar at a time! insta8er May 2016 #4
Tim Canova, Lucy Flores, and Zephyr Teachout disagree; And so soon will the dozen more candidates JonLeibowitz May 2016 #7
House seats. The House won't change until 2022 after the 2020 census. tonyt53 May 2016 #15
Not Good Enough Bernie!!! Only Senate seats count now! JonLeibowitz May 2016 #17
It doesn't take a genius to understand that. but it takes a naive person to not understand it. tonyt53 May 2016 #29
We lost a lot of Congressional seats when Bill was President Art_from_Ark May 2016 #45
Gerrymandering begins to lose its effect in the latter parts of a decade. The House is in play. DemocraticWing May 2016 #49
Hillary isn't helping either. 90% of the money going to the states is returned to the Luminous Animal May 2016 #12
Where it is sent to Democrats running for office. That is a fact. tonyt53 May 2016 #13
After she eats up a lion's share. Luminous Animal May 2016 #16
Like Hillary Clinton for example. imagine2015 May 2016 #18
Bullfuckingshit. One email from Bernie and Tim Canova got $250,000 this weekend cali May 2016 #23
Feel the bern! DebbieCDC May 2016 #2
Sanders does himself no favors knocking down people like that. Shame on him. riversedge May 2016 #3
Large voter turnout? Txbluedog May 2016 #5
Doesn't one wonder right? Big rallies, big crowds but nobody votes for him....very strange indeed. insta8er May 2016 #8
He is behind because of the first states RobertEarl May 2016 #14
You said it. Now show the proof. Oh, you have none. tonyt53 May 2016 #19
Florida - 2000? RobertEarl May 2016 #20
What the hell does Florida - 2000 have to do with the post? tonyt53 May 2016 #26
Because...because...authoritarian! Corporatist! Fascism! randome May 2016 #34
Maybe you're not acting? RobertEarl May 2016 #35
The biggest discrepancies between the exit polls and the official results were in TX, MS, AL, GA. reformist2 May 2016 #39
"nobody votes for him" Almost right. I think he got 7 or 8 votes in Oregon. imagine2015 May 2016 #21
Voter disenfranchisement and voter fraud would explain the difference between the rhett o rick May 2016 #36
No, it's a question of scale that people are being deliberately blind about Recursion May 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #11
Only a liar or a moron would say his turnout isn't high. arcane1 May 2016 #27
Clinton fundraising leaves little for state parties insta8er May 2016 #6
Ya gotta love this guy RobertEarl May 2016 #9
"we have the working people" And people argued when we noticed we did not exist in Bernieworld.... bettyellen May 2016 #10
His supporters lined the streets and threw money for George Clooney's fund raiser, Thinkingabout May 2016 #22
But they can't afford to spend 30 grand for a nice dinner. imagine2015 May 2016 #28
Sanders is going to be in need of the money thrown to retire his campaign debt. Thinkingabout May 2016 #37
Because the parents are giving them spending money, paying their college, Insurance, books.... seabeyond May 2016 #33
Oh? You went to the Clooney or a Wall Street fund raiser? imagine2015 May 2016 #40
But no one who works would vote for Clinton, right? randome May 2016 #24
right? Can he be any more insulting. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #31
The electorate didn't reject him, he just couldn't get enough votes thru the corrupt election system rhett o rick May 2016 #38
Bernie, when are you going to accept "No, we can't". EndElectoral May 2016 #25
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #30
Did you go to the Clooney or one of the Wall Street fund raisers? imagine2015 May 2016 #41
Seriously someone alerted on the sockpuppet? really? insta8er May 2016 #32
I cant see it, i see 42 replys and i only see 5:) love that ignore button litlbilly May 2016 #43
I love to read everything, 2 hides in this thread alone. 1 picture of a sockpuppet and one person insta8er May 2016 #44
What he doesn't have are enough pledged delegates to become the nominee. Beacool May 2016 #46
Hillary doesn't have enough pledged delegates to become the nominee. You missed that point! imagine2015 May 2016 #47
Only his supporters think that way. Beacool May 2016 #48

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
7. Tim Canova, Lucy Flores, and Zephyr Teachout disagree; And so soon will the dozen more candidates
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

he will be endorsing and fundraising for this week.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
15. House seats. The House won't change until 2022 after the 2020 census.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

But the Senate, now that is a different story.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
29. It doesn't take a genius to understand that. but it takes a naive person to not understand it.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

One step at a time.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
45. We lost a lot of Congressional seats when Bill was President
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

The man had no coattails whatsoever. In presidential election years, the party that wins the White House usually picks up Congressional seats, but Bill's record on that was pretty dismal-- in 1992, there was no net gain in the Senate , but Democrats lost 9 seats in the House. In 1996, the Democrats lost 2 Senate seats, and picked up only 2 House seats. And unlike Bill, Hillary is a lousy campaigner.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
49. Gerrymandering begins to lose its effect in the latter parts of a decade. The House is in play.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

The Trump Effect at the top of the ticket could hurt downticket Republicans even more. To maximize their seats they draw these razor thin margin districts that are R+1, R+2, R+3 and there are a few Republicans representing districts the Democratic Presidential candidate can win in November. So a strong Democratic wave (something that is bound to happen at some point in a decade, especially in a situation where a Presidential candidate wins) will sweep aside those swing districts and give us the House.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. Hillary isn't helping either. 90% of the money going to the states is returned to the
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

Hillary victory fund.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. Bullfuckingshit. One email from Bernie and Tim Canova got $250,000 this weekend
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

Lucy Flores and other progressive candidates who endorsed Bernie are also raising a lot in small donations.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. He is behind because of the first states
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

Texas and the south voted before Bernie became well known.

That and the south is very well known for election fraud.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. Because...because...authoritarian! Corporatist! Fascism!
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THESE PRINCIPLES?????
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
35. Maybe you're not acting?
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

Georgia and SC have black box voting machines.

Alabama jailed Seigleman because he pointed out the fraud.

Texas is home to bushco,

The federal government had to come down hard on the south for voting rights violations.

History is something, eh? You should study it?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
39. The biggest discrepancies between the exit polls and the official results were in TX, MS, AL, GA.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016


These states singlehandedly gave Hillary the delegate lead, too. Without those four states (which Dems almost never win, btw), Hillary would be losing to Bernie...
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
21. "nobody votes for him" Almost right. I think he got 7 or 8 votes in Oregon.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

Thanks for your objective and factual post.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. Voter disenfranchisement and voter fraud would explain the difference between the
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

numbers that turn out for rallies and vote count totals. Guess who gets to count the votes? It's not Sanders' people.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
42. No, it's a question of scale that people are being deliberately blind about
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:57 PM
May 2016

A big Sanders rally is 50,000 people. A small primary turnout is a quarter million people.

Response to Txbluedog (Reply #5)

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. Only a liar or a moron would say his turnout isn't high.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

Sometimes Hillary's turnout is higher, sometimes it's nearly tied, and sometimes Bernie's is higher.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
6. Clinton fundraising leaves little for state parties
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016
The Democratic front-runner says she's raising big checks to help state committees, but they've gotten to keep only 1 percent of the $60 million raised.

In the days before Hillary Clinton launched an unprecedented big-money fundraising vehicle with state parties last summer, she vowed “to rebuild our party from the ground up,” proclaiming “when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen."

But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings.

The venture, the Hillary Victory Fund, is a so-called joint fundraising committee comprised of Clinton’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and 32 state party committees. The setup allows Clinton to solicit checks of $350,000 or more from her super-rich supporters at extravagant fundraisers including a dinner at George Clooney’s house and a concert at Radio City Music Hall featuring Katy Perry and Elton John.

The victory fund has transferred $3.8 million to the state parties, but almost all of that cash ($3.3 million, or 88 percent) was quickly transferred to the DNC, usually within a day or two, by the Clinton staffer who controls the committee, POLITICO’s analysis of the FEC records found.

By contrast, the victory fund has transferred $15.4 million to Clinton’s campaign and $5.7 million to the DNC, which will work closely with Clinton’s campaign if and when she becomes the party’s nominee. And most of the $23.3 million spent directly by the victory fund has gone toward expenses that appear to have directly benefited Clinton’s campaign, including $2.8 million for “salary and overhead” and $8.6 million for web advertising that mostly looks indistinguishable from Clinton campaign ads and that has helped Clinton build a network of small donors who will be critical in a general election expected to cost each side well in excess of $1 billion.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. Ya gotta love this guy
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

He's in it to win it and change politics as we know it.

Everyone should be on board, even the Trumpees.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
10. "we have the working people" And people argued when we noticed we did not exist in Bernieworld....
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

when he first started campaigning. No you don't Bernie.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
22. His supporters lined the streets and threw money for George Clooney's fund raiser,
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

They have the time to go to fund raisers.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
28. But they can't afford to spend 30 grand for a nice dinner.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

Of course, that includes dessert and a free video of Hillary shouting at those in attendance.

Money,money, money, gotta love the money.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
33. Because the parents are giving them spending money, paying their college, Insurance, books....
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

You know? Us lazy slabs not working, but going to high end fancy dinners.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. But no one who works would vote for Clinton, right?
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

Good God, the longer this farce goes on, the more I see that the electorate -as a kind of gestalt mind- is actually very discerning. Sanders has had 25 years to make his case that he, and only he, cares about working people. Yet voters have rejected him.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
38. The electorate didn't reject him, he just couldn't get enough votes thru the corrupt election system
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

that is run by the establishment owned by Big Money Fat Cats and they favor Clinton. The world knows what a fraud our electorial system is:

"The United States is an exceptional nation, but it is not always exceptional for good. The American voting system too is an exception: It is the most error-prone, the most susceptible to fraud, the most vulnerable to unfairness and one of the least technologically sophisticated on earth."


The question is why would people that think they are Democrats side with the Big Money Fat Cats that cheat the election process? A rhetorical question. It's an idolization of the Wealthy.

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
41. Did you go to the Clooney or one of the Wall Street fund raisers?
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

Ahhhh. Working class people not invited, especially to the Wall Street events.

Some working class people are still being fooled by the former Senator from Wall Street.

That's unfortunate but you can't reach everyone.
 

insta8er

(960 posts)
32. Seriously someone alerted on the sockpuppet? really?
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

I thought we Bernie guys and gals were better than that, we don't stifle others people's speech. Even when it is far from the truth. But just a sock puppet come on people...

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
44. I love to read everything, 2 hides in this thread alone. 1 picture of a sockpuppet and one person
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

who felt the need to start cursing. I don't mind the cursing being hidden, it doesn't add anything to the conversation. But the sockpuppet was actually quite funny.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
46. What he doesn't have are enough pledged delegates to become the nominee.
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

What a piece of work he turned out to be!!! He doesn't give a fig about the damage he's doing to the prospective nominee and the party itself.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
47. Hillary doesn't have enough pledged delegates to become the nominee. You missed that point!
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

Bernie hasn't "damage" Hillary at all. He's been incredibly respectful and easy on her.

Hillary has damaged herself with her ties to big business and Wall Street.

That's who she mainly represents.

That's where the money is.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
48. Only his supporters think that way.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

His abrasive manner and continual attacks on Hillary and the party are souring his supporters even more. Does he even care about uniting the party around the nominee? Hillary will be the nominee. I don't know why that's so hard for his supporters to grasp.

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