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Warning: We will now be inundated with Clinton Email posts (Original Post) BootinUp May 2016 OP
Head in the sand? Zen Democrat May 2016 #1
Warning, you'll be inundated with reality. pinebox May 2016 #2
No one is forced to spend time here. notadmblnd May 2016 #3
Yeah, you'll prolly want to take the day off... too much truth tends to leave painful marks. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #4
She and every SoS in the digital age got slapped on the wrist. Big deal. Hoyt May 2016 #5
Did they run for president afterward? AgingAmerican May 2016 #6
The State IG may have just slapped a wrist. The FBI and DOJ have yet to announce their findings morningfog May 2016 #10
Some more than others. NWCorona May 2016 #11
Did "every SOS in the digital age" have a private server in their home basement? nt m-lekktor May 2016 #16
"will" Dem2 May 2016 #7
Desperate times call for tedious hysterical posts. She's fine. Proud to support her in the GE! Beausoir May 2016 #8
She couldn't handle a basic responsibility of being SoS shawn703 May 2016 #9
Ignoring this doesn't change how potentially damaging it is. cali May 2016 #12
They all did it inchhigh May 2016 #13
Are Rice and Kerry currently running for POTUS? Joe the Revelator May 2016 #14
I agree inchhigh May 2016 #17
Very Balanced. /sarcasm BootinUp May 2016 #15
Are you suggesting that the Democratically appointed State Dept is now part of the conspiracy? Matt_in_STL May 2016 #26
I'm suggesting Clinton once again is held to a different standard, BootinUp May 2016 #27
It isn't a different standard, it is two different situations. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #28
By law she is permitted determine what to delete, thats why she didn't break any law. nt BootinUp May 2016 #29
That isn't the case at all Matt_in_STL May 2016 #34
By all means keep digging, here's some bedtime reading for you BootinUp May 2016 #36
Did you read what you posted? Matt_in_STL May 2016 #40
zzzz..... BootinUp May 2016 #41
Ignoring unfavorable information, thinking it will go away, tabasco May 2016 #18
Ignoring Sensationalistic Reporting is Bliss. nt BootinUp May 2016 #19
Harping on unfavorable information, hoping it will make things worse DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #21
Tell the corporate media. tabasco May 2016 #22
One of the things I hate is artifice so I will be transparent. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #23
Makes one long for the good ol' days when it was post after post about chairs.. frylock May 2016 #20
Like that time Bernie invited himself to the Pope's. Octafish May 2016 #38
Darn tootin. Let's just nominate a candidate who will lose. NightWatcher May 2016 #24
The people voted and he lost. Deal with it! DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #30
And we'll all have to deal with President Trump when Hillary loses NightWatcher May 2016 #33
Bill Clinton did it twice but hope springs eternal. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #35
Just don't open them. Beacool May 2016 #25
Absolutely... asuhornets May 2016 #31
The clapping is almost deafening today Tarc May 2016 #32
They don't understand that this is form a media matters article back in March... Demsrule86 May 2016 #37
Let this republican-generated smear run its course. Wake me up when the voters have realmirage May 2016 #39
Yet I've seen nothing about HRC winning Washington... CBHagman May 2016 #42
She shouldn't have done it. If she had done the right thing, nc4bo May 2016 #43
There is no Clinton email posts Commander Keen May 2016 #44
kick BootinUp May 2016 #45
kick BootinUp May 2016 #46
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
10. The State IG may have just slapped a wrist. The FBI and DOJ have yet to announce their findings
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

and decision.

Regardless, this will continue to be a millstone around Hillary's campaign. And more so as we move towards GE.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
7. "will"
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

Too late. Trash thread is great when there are dozens of duplicates. Let them vent their spleens for a day.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
9. She couldn't handle a basic responsibility of being SoS
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

And yet people want to trust her with the Presidency?

inchhigh

(384 posts)
17. I agree
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:33 AM
May 2016

I was pointing out that her name appear nearly 10 times as often as either of theirs. Maybe they all did it but she did it A LOT.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
26. Are you suggesting that the Democratically appointed State Dept is now part of the conspiracy?
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

Well this is interesting.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
27. I'm suggesting Clinton once again is held to a different standard,
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

that record keeping problems and email problems are not isolated to her or The State Dept. and that it is being used against her for political purposes. I think the fact the IG report is so heavily targeting her is just how it worked out because thats what her enemies intended.

You can draw your own conclusion.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
28. It isn't a different standard, it is two different situations.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

She had a private server on her private premises, they did not. She skirted rules to protect federal records and deleted files, they did not.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
34. That isn't the case at all
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

“At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."

She failed to follow policies that keep State in compliance with the Federal Records Act. Her work emails are the property of the government and, when not classified, should be available to the people through FOIA. She does not have any authority under the law to decide what can and can't be deleted.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
36. By all means keep digging, here's some bedtime reading for you
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:21 PM
May 2016

Justice Department: “State Department employees may delete messages they deem in their own discretion to be personal.” “Second, because personal records are not subject to FOIA, and State Department employees may delete messages they deem in their own discretion to be personal, Plaintiff ’s preservation argument reduces to an unsupported allegation that former Secretary Clinton might have mistakenly or intentionally deleted responsive agency records rather than personal records. But Plaintiff offers no support for such a theory, and government agencies are not required to take steps to recover deleted material based on unfounded speculation that responsive information had been deleted.” [Justice Department Filing, Case 1:12-cv-02034-RBW, 9/9/15]

Department of Justice lawyers ruled Hillary Clinton “had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision.” “In the most complete legal defense of Mrs. Clinton, Justice Department lawyers insisted they not only have no obligation, but no power, to go back and demand the former top diplomat turn over any documents she hasn’t already given — and neither, they said, can the court order that. The defense came as part of a legal filing telling a judge why the administration shouldn’t be required to order Mrs. Clinton and her top aides to preserve all of their emails. ‘There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision — she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server,’ the administration lawyers argued. ‘Under policies issued by both the National Archives and Records Administration (‘NARA’) and the State Department, individual officers and employees are permitted and expected to exercise judgment to determine what constitutes a federal record.’” [Washington Times, 9/10/15]


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512049738

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
40. Did you read what you posted?
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

She had the authority to delete emails that were personal. She deleted thousands of emails that were deemed to be work product, many of them classified, and all covered under the Federal Records Act. Nobody cares about her personal emails - she had a responsibility to:

1. Keep any work related emails and turn them over to State based on the practices in place at State to meet the requirements of the Federal Records Act

2. To insure classified emails and materials were protected and secure utilizing government approved methods, of which a private server is not one.

The personal emails post above is a distraction from the thousands of emails she was not allowed to delete and has no bearing on her failure to meet the requirements of the Federal Records Act.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. One of the things I hate is artifice so I will be transparent.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

I do not find you to be humorous. I do find you to be my enemy. We can continue our tête-à-tête with that in mind.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. Makes one long for the good ol' days when it was post after post about chairs..
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

being thrown, doesn't it?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Like that time Bernie invited himself to the Pope's.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

Flew himself first class and he kept the tiny complimentary drink bottles.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
24. Darn tootin. Let's just nominate a candidate who will lose.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

Her ego is going to give us Prez Trump.

The Supers need to see the writing on the wall and give the Dems a chance of winning.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
33. And we'll all have to deal with President Trump when Hillary loses
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

I don't think any candidate can win an election on this scale while under multiple investigations.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
39. Let this republican-generated smear run its course. Wake me up when the voters have
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

yet again decided GOP engineered attacks on the Clintons don't mean shit

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
42. Yet I've seen nothing about HRC winning Washington...
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

...and B.S. getting the lion's share of delegates.

For those who haven't heard/seen coverage of that, here's the summary:

[url]http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/05/trump_clinton_win_washington_s.html[/url]

Clinton's win might give her some momentum, but it won't get her any delegates. There were no delegates at stake in the Democratic primary. Washington Democrats already awarded their delegates based on party caucuses.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won Washington's caucuses in March, getting 74 delegates. Clinton got 27.

Republicans in Washington will allocate all 44 delegates to their national convention based on the primary results.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
43. She shouldn't have done it. If she had done the right thing,
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

There would be a big fat nothing to see here, literally.

 

Commander Keen

(10 posts)
44. There is no Clinton email posts
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

There is a matter of classification issue, as in violating national security.

Do you get it yet?

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