2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWarning: We will now be inundated with Clinton Email posts
Time to take a nap.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It's a big deal
morningfog
(18,115 posts)and decision.
Regardless, this will continue to be a millstone around Hillary's campaign. And more so as we move towards GE.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Too late. Trash thread is great when there are dozens of duplicates. Let them vent their spleens for a day.
Beausoir
(7,540 posts)shawn703
(2,702 posts)And yet people want to trust her with the Presidency?
cali
(114,904 posts)inchhigh
(384 posts)Rice's name appears in the report 13 times.
Kerry 14 times.
Clinton 125 times.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Everyone else did it! is not a valid excuse.
inchhigh
(384 posts)I was pointing out that her name appear nearly 10 times as often as either of theirs. Maybe they all did it but she did it A LOT.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Well this is interesting.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)that record keeping problems and email problems are not isolated to her or The State Dept. and that it is being used against her for political purposes. I think the fact the IG report is so heavily targeting her is just how it worked out because thats what her enemies intended.
You can draw your own conclusion.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)She had a private server on her private premises, they did not. She skirted rules to protect federal records and deleted files, they did not.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Departments policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."
She failed to follow policies that keep State in compliance with the Federal Records Act. Her work emails are the property of the government and, when not classified, should be available to the people through FOIA. She does not have any authority under the law to decide what can and can't be deleted.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Justice Department: State Department employees may delete messages they deem in their own discretion to be personal. Second, because personal records are not subject to FOIA, and State Department employees may delete messages they deem in their own discretion to be personal, Plaintiff s preservation argument reduces to an unsupported allegation that former Secretary Clinton might have mistakenly or intentionally deleted responsive agency records rather than personal records. But Plaintiff offers no support for such a theory, and government agencies are not required to take steps to recover deleted material based on unfounded speculation that responsive information had been deleted. [Justice Department Filing, Case 1:12-cv-02034-RBW, 9/9/15]
Department of Justice lawyers ruled Hillary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision. In the most complete legal defense of Mrs. Clinton, Justice Department lawyers insisted they not only have no obligation, but no power, to go back and demand the former top diplomat turn over any documents she hasnt already given and neither, they said, can the court order that. The defense came as part of a legal filing telling a judge why the administration shouldnt be required to order Mrs. Clinton and her top aides to preserve all of their emails. There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server, the administration lawyers argued. Under policies issued by both the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) and the State Department, individual officers and employees are permitted and expected to exercise judgment to determine what constitutes a federal record. [Washington Times, 9/10/15]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512049738
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)She had the authority to delete emails that were personal. She deleted thousands of emails that were deemed to be work product, many of them classified, and all covered under the Federal Records Act. Nobody cares about her personal emails - she had a responsibility to:
1. Keep any work related emails and turn them over to State based on the practices in place at State to meet the requirements of the Federal Records Act
2. To insure classified emails and materials were protected and secure utilizing government approved methods, of which a private server is not one.
The personal emails post above is a distraction from the thousands of emails she was not allowed to delete and has no bearing on her failure to meet the requirements of the Federal Records Act.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)is the mentality of a child.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)is the mentality of an enemy.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Top story on all front pages.
[font size=4]Maybe it will go away!!![/font]
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I do not find you to be humorous. I do find you to be my enemy. We can continue our tête-à-tête with that in mind.
frylock
(34,825 posts)being thrown, doesn't it?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Flew himself first class and he kept the tiny complimentary drink bottles.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Her ego is going to give us Prez Trump.
The Supers need to see the writing on the wall and give the Dems a chance of winning.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I don't think any candidate can win an election on this scale while under multiple investigations.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)It preserves mental health,
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Demsrule86
(68,553 posts)More right wing BS.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)yet again decided GOP engineered attacks on the Clintons don't mean shit
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)...and B.S. getting the lion's share of delegates.
For those who haven't heard/seen coverage of that, here's the summary:
[url]http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/05/trump_clinton_win_washington_s.html[/url]
Clinton's win might give her some momentum, but it won't get her any delegates. There were no delegates at stake in the Democratic primary. Washington Democrats already awarded their delegates based on party caucuses.
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won Washington's caucuses in March, getting 74 delegates. Clinton got 27.
Republicans in Washington will allocate all 44 delegates to their national convention based on the primary results.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)There would be a big fat nothing to see here, literally.
Commander Keen
(10 posts)There is a matter of classification issue, as in violating national security.
Do you get it yet?