IG Report on Clinton Email Concludes With...Nothing New - Mother Jones

[Bill USA]

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/ig-report-clinton-email-concludes-withnothing-new


The State Department's inspector general has finally issued his report on email preservation and retention practices within the department, and he's not impressed:

OIG identified multiple email and other electronic records management issues during the course of this evaluation....Insufficient Oversight of the Recordkeeping Process....Print and File Requirements Not Enforced....Limited Ability To Retrieve Email Records....No Inventory of Archived Electronic Files....Unavailable or Inaccessible Electronic Files....Failure To Transfer Email Records to IPS....Failure To Follow Department Separation Processes....Failure To Notify NARA of Loss of Records

OIG discovered anecdotal examples suggesting that Department staff have used personal email accounts to conduct official business....OIG identified more than 90 Department employees who periodically used personal email accounts to conduct official business....[font size="3"]OIG also reviewed an S/ES-IRM report prepared in 2010 showing that more than 9,200 emails were sent within one week from S/ES servers to 16 web-based email domains, including gmail.com, hotmail.com, and att.net....[/font][font size="3"]A former Director of Policy Planning wrote: “State’s technology is so antiquated that NO ONE uses a State-issued laptop and even high officials routinely end up using their home email accounts to be able to get their work done quickly and effectively.”[/font]

Yikes! But no one cares about this. We care about Hillary Clinton. Are you ready? Here's the IG's blistering report:

Sending emails from a personal account to other employees at their Department accounts is not an appropriate method of preserving any such emails that would constitute a Federal record. Therefore, Secretary Clinton should have preserved any Federal records she created and received on her personal account by printing and filing those records with the related files in the Office of the Secretary. At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act.

NARA agrees with the foregoing assessment but told OIG that Secretary Clinton’s production of 55,000 pages of emails mitigated her failure to properly preserve emails that qualified as Federal records during her tenure and to surrender such records upon her departure. OIG concurs with NARA but also notes that Secretary Clinton’s production was incomplete. For example, the Department and OIG both determined that the production included no email covering the first few months of Secretary Clinton’s tenure.

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[Press Virginia]

1. Spin

[Tarc]

2. Reality, I'm afraid

The Indictment Fairy simply isn't coming to your rescue.

[LenaBaby61]

7. June 14th....

IS on it's way.

[Bill USA]

8. "Indictment Fairy"!! ....good one....ROFL

[Press Virginia]

9. Who needs a fairy when there's an ongoing FBI investigation

and what's already been made public is enough to charge her with a crime.
Her Server was set up to circumvent FOIA. That's a crime.

The only question is will Lynch actually pull the trigger

[Bob41213]

12. That's why all the HRC supporters disappeared today

till the talking points were approved. Glad to see they are approved.

[oasis]

17. No "talking points" needed. The report speaks for itself.

Read it and weep.

[Press Virginia]

23. yeaaaah...like the part where HRC and her staff didn't cooperate? Is that something new that we

learned today?
The obvious question would be why? We learned she violated the Federal Records act because she didn't want anyone accessing personal e-mails....that she didn't have to send on State Dept E-mail....which she declined to have set up for her as well as declining to have her E-Mail Addy made public at State so her e-mails didn't go into SPAM folders.

[Bill USA]

37. .. and....

OIG discovered anecdotal examples suggesting that Department staff have used personal email accounts to conduct official business....OIG identified more than 90 Department employees who periodically used personal email accounts to conduct official business....[font size="3"]OIG also reviewed an S/ES-IRM report prepared in 2010 showing that more than 9,200 emails were sent within one week from S/ES servers to 16 web-based email domains, including gmail.com, hotmail.com, and att.net....[/font][font size="3"]A former Director of Policy Planning wrote: “State’s technology is so antiquated that NO ONE uses a State-issued laptop and even high officials routinely end up using their home email accounts to be able to get their work done quickly and effectively.”[/font]

[Press Virginia]

39. Bahahahahaha! How many set up their own basement servers to circumvent the state dept

IT system?

[jmowreader]

46. The two Secretaries of State before her are known to have done so

Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice are not who I'd normally hold up as paragons of virtue, but what, exactly, is the difference between using your "home e-mail account" which is on a server owned by a Big Corporation, and using a server that you own yourself - besides the little issue of the server in your basement not being as much of a target because no one knows you have it?

[Press Virginia]

48. Hotmail does a back up of its servers

You can delete an e-mail but it still exists on their server.
When you own their server you get to control what gets preserved and what doesnt

[Bob41213]

51. Like the part where there was the hacking attempt she didn't report

And their solution was to turn off the server for a few minutes.

[Gomez163]

33. We have jobs.

[Fawke Em]

47. Square Nos. 5 and 17.

[Trust Buster]

4. An exact quote from the IG report is spin ? I think you're the one spinning like a top....LOL

[Press Virginia]

14. I'm focusing on what's relevant to what we've been told by HRC since this story broke.

The IG report certainly doesn't support what she's been claiming.

Any attempt to excuse her actions by pointing at Powell or whining about the IT Infrastructure is pure spin.

[Trust Buster]

20. You claimed the OP was spin. It was an exact sourcing of the IG. You were wrong.

[Press Virginia]

21. It was a Mother Jones Article that tries to make believe we learned nothing new

which is untrue.

[Bill USA]

11. A one word cmnt w/o any rationale.....Why don't you light a match and watch it burn?

[Press Virginia]

16. Nothing new? Well let's see

We learned that HRC didn't cooperate with the IG Audit/Probe. We learned that her staff didn't cooperate with the IG Audit/Probe.
We learned that HRC did not have either the authorization or the authority to set up and use her own private server. We learned her server was no in compliance with the policy or rules in place at State.
We learned, from the IG, that HRC Violated the Federal Records Act with her deletion of e-mails.,....that were kept on her private server.

And, while we were told this was all about convenience, we learned it was all about HRC not wanting her e-mails to be accessed.....you know, the personal ones that she didn't have to use State Dept e-mail for

[Demsrule86]

26. Colin Powell

refused to turn over his emails or cooperate...oh noes!

[Press Virginia]

28. When the Bush administration becomes the standard for acceptable behavior

it's time to REALLY take a good look at one's principles

[Bill USA]

31. they're not the standard. DemsRule is pointing out that matters of regs & laws are NOT being applied

to everyone uniformly.

[Press Virginia]

34. If they were, Hillary would already have been indicted

Colin Powell's e-mails aren't really relevant to Hillary's private basement server

[jimw81]

45. This one the keys

Since the report names Powell,rice and Albright points to what clintons camp has been saying along

[Bill USA]

49. using a commercial email service provider compromises any classified info in any emails sent thru

... such an account. Powell and Rice both used commercial email services and conducted official business on them. WHat you can't .. or won't ... grasp (and most people don't understand) is that .....

[font size="+1"]...Anyone using a personal email account through a commercial email service provider has compromised all information in those emails because all commercial email service providers have large numbers of cyber-security personnel to maintain system security from hackers and various kinds of malware and that to do their jobs they MUST have the ability to examine all emails, and associated attachments, in their system. (NOTE: these are employees of private sector companies and Do NOT have Government security clearances) Thus, anybody such as Colin Powell, Condi Rice who used personal email accounts thru commercial emails service providers for official business - and about two dozen White House advisors in the Bush White House, who used personal email accounts on commercial email service providers through an account controlled by the Republican National Committee - compromised any Classified Information in their emails. [/font]

[Press Virginia]

52. Great. Prosecute all of them. Start with HRC

Then Powell.

[Bill USA]

30. you forgot something...

OIG discovered anecdotal examples suggesting that Department staff have used personal email accounts to conduct official business....OIG identified more than 90 Department employees who periodically used personal email accounts to conduct official business....OIG also reviewed an S/ES-IRM report prepared in 2010 showing that more than 9,200 emails were sent within one week from S/ES servers to 16 web-based email domains, including gmail.com, hotmail.com, and att.net....[font size="3"]A former Director of Policy Planning wrote: “State’s technology is so antiquated that NO ONE uses a State-issued laptop and even high officials routinely end up using their home email accounts to be able to get their work done quickly and effectively.”[/font]

But NOT Mentioned in the report is the fact that anyone using a personal email account thrrough a commercial email service provider has compromised all information in those emails because all commercial email service providers have large numbers of cyber-security personnel to maintain system security from hackers and various kinds of malware and that to do their jobs they MUST have the ability to examine all emails, and associated attachments, in their system. THus, anybody such as Colin Powell, Condi Rice who used personal email accounts thru commercial emails service providers for official business - and about two dozen White House advisors in the Bush White House, who used personal email accounts on commercial email service providers through an account controlled by the Republican National Committee - compromised any Classified INformation in their emails.

[Press Virginia]

32. What does Colin Powell have to do with a current presidential candidate

that has repeatedly lied about this whole thing?
Send the FBI after Powell. But invoking his use of private e-mail as a defense for HRC's use of a private server in the basement of her home is just an attempt to change the subject.

[brush]

36. The State Dept. computers were so antiquated people had to resort to other means . . .

but Clinton is the only one they're going after. Even Rice and Powell did it before her.

They actually said the correct procedure was to print out each email and file it appropriately.

Like who's going to do that, or should have to do that.

Now excuse me while I go print this out and file it, defeating the purpose of emails all together.

[Press Virginia]

38. How many of them set up their own servers run out of their basement?

And how many of them conducted 100% of their e-mail business through their private server, kept in their basement?

HRC fired an ambassador for using private e-mail to conduct State business.

[Trust Buster]

3. We've held this position all along. We learned nothing new today as the IG stated, the whole

government email system is antiquated. The government was not prepared for the digital age. Sanders supporters have feigned outrage for purely political reasons like the Right wing usually does. Seems they couldn't get the voters to choose their candidate over Hillary. Nothing to see here.

[Octafish]

5. Inspector Generals agree, it's good to find everything A-OK.

Or else they'll find themselves inspector corporals, PFQ, if you know what I mean.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511413818

[NCTraveler]

6. .

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The word idiot is not what I would use but overall it fits perfectly.

[oasis]

27. Bernie's birdies have a similar strut but make tiny doo doo.

[MADem]

10. Looks like the dream of a Fitzmas is dying...!

It's absurd, the way they single her out for what everyone else has done, and then some.

“State’s technology is so antiquated that NO ONE uses a State-issued laptop and even high officials routinely end up using their home email accounts to be able to get their work done quickly and effectively.”

[AzDar]

13. Right. Even though it states that there were multiple HACKING attempts (?) which were not only

UNREPORTED (as REQUIRED) , but Hillary's response was to shut the server down, and restart it...
Nope. Nothing to see here...

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I gotta wonder if MJ staff actually read this

[cali]

18. I don't have to look to bet anything that's kevin drum

[Bill USA]

42. as I have said before, I can't tell BS fans from RW hords. same rejection of persons rather than

addressing arguments or facts cited in the article. The practice of intolerance and defaming of 'heretics' is common to zealots and practitioners of totalitarianism -- or anybody who can't disprove the argument/case presented.

[cali]

53. Oh please. I'm actually in the process of reading the report.

And I've said from the get go that Hillary will be the nominee. I've also been clarified are that she's better than trump. You are full of.... it.

Furthermore, dear, I have the brains not to lump all Hillary supporters together? You? Not so much, dear.

[Bill USA]

54. LOL! Does that make you feel more brave, using Punk Talk? That doesn't impress grownups..LOL!

... you are just a bit too transparent.... Again, another way you can't tell any difference between BS groupies and Right Wing blowhards...

You should know that that stuff only works with others similarly lacking in self esteem (adolescents). And you don't make yourself look any more impressive by saying things like: "you are full of it." ... My, my, right out of Junior high. LOL!

A Conservative's Courage: Punk Talk
http://www.discussionist.com/1015363914

Punk Talk is a method of compensating for a lack of confidence and low self esteem by affecting an air of superiority over the other guy. It is commonly identified with adolescence, a period during which young people are seeking group acceptance and dealing with issues of self-esteem. Punk Talk is intended to convince others (as well as the speaker) that the speaker is NOT A BIT fearful and NOT A BIT intimidated by anyone - or anything. Punk Talk is the affectation of real self confidence and meant to convince others the speaker is possessed of actual healthy self esteem. The good news for teens is most grow up and grow out of it. They will mature, become adults and develop a healthy self esteem and not need Punk Talk anymore. But not all teens do. Which brings me to the purpose of this post.

That Punk Talk is an outgrowth of self esteem issues is apparent in that it nearly always involves speaking derisively of the other person ... rather than of what the other person is saying. The derisive speech is intended to send the message to the listener: "Ha! I look down on you!" This kind of talk is only necessary when the speaker actually is lacking in confidence and needs a confidence 'boost'. Even a short time on this site reveals the importance of Punk Talk to Conservatives - based upon how much they use it. Many Conservatives posting on this site seem to think Punk Talk takes the place of a valid argument(!?).

[font size="+1"] ... Sorry if I intimidated you. Didn't mean to do that.[/font]

[cali]

55. Pot kettle. Clueless, dear.

[Bill USA]

56. still at it, huh. here's something that might help: "Ways for Teenager’s To Build Self-Esteem"

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/teen/Pages/Ways-To-Build-Your-Teenagers-Self-Esteem.aspx

[pmorlan1]

19. Same spin argued in this piece

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512052429#post12

[pmorlan1]

22. I feel sorry for the Hillary supporters

I remember when I believed Bill Clinton that he did not have sex with Lewinsky. I also ignored reality because I thought it was his enemies that were lying. When I found out it was Bill all along who was lying I felt really stupid. I feel their pain and I know a lot of them will believe all the spin because I got caught up in it myself years ago. Today I just don't believe their spin anymore. I see it for what it is.

[BootinUp]

43. There's a difference between someone's personal issues/life being made public

on something like an affair, and how they function in their public office. The Clinton's, both of them, have a very good record of public service, some of us think its better than that. All the efforts to show otherwise have failed and after 25 years that says a lot.

I am not really interested in debating this with "Liberals or Progressives" that can't get it. People who take the holier than though position, generally reveal their hypocrisy when their dirty laundry is aired.

[pmorlan1]

44. I'm not interested in debating

it either. You have your opinion I have mine.

[TwilightZone]

24. Ah, Mother Jones goes under the bus.

[workinclasszero]

41. Just another liberal institution thrown on the funeral pyre

of a dying campaign.

[reddread]

59. that rag? well under for years

takes some real gullibility to listen to and actually value the advertising and PR NPR, CNN, MSNBC, FOX,
or Mother Jones poots forth.

I bet you dont need to be told this.

[Demsrule86]

25. And Powell

was supposed to turn over I think 60,000...he didn't even respond.

[riversedge]

29. Rep. Schiff: (D. CA) Report is not new information..........

Rep. Schiff: (D. CA) Report is not new information

A few minutes of video. Basically talked about the long term systematic records retention problems at the State Dept--and other Department. He also mentioned a series of Recommendations made in the report, which I did not hear about from the news today.



Rep. Schiff: Report is not new information

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/video/rep-schiff-report-is-not-new-information-692726339515

Wed, May 25

California Representative Adam Schiff claims that the State Department's report about Hillary Clinton's email scandal had little new information and is a policy that several other administrations have done.

[pmorlan1]

50. Isn't it amazing

that all of the pieces defending Hillary are saying the same thing? It's almost like they were all coordinated. But that couldn't be true, could it? Nothing new here folks, move along.

[riversedge]

57. "Nothing new here folks, move along." yes, good advice.

[inchhigh]

35. Just imagine how much better things

might be now if someone had decided to start upgrading these systems back in, oh, 2009 or so instead of hiding them and lying about their efforts to fix them.

Someone who really cared about the business of State may have cared about the systems they left behind for the next guy.

[workinclasszero]

40. The indictment fairy is sad

[Number23]

58. Which exlains the 97 overheated "Hillary's goin' DOWWWWWWNNNNNN!!!1111" OPs in this forum

screaming that the report is far, far, FAR worse than anyone could have ever expected in their wildest (and probably wettest) dreams!1one

It's like if reality goes straight ahead, some of these folks go to the right. If it stops, they go backwards. Never seen anything like it.