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Thu May 26, 2016, 08:35 AM

Do the unethical.actions of HRC dirty Obama's legacy?

It seems the worst decision he made was to appoint her and look how it's paying off

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:40 AM

1. no, Obama made a deal to close out the 2008 primaries

She got SoS in that deal. How she did as SoS is on her.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:46 AM

5. Was that ethical, particularly in hind sight? It wasn't even completely legal under Sec. 599

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/599

18 U.S. Code 599 - Promise of appointment by candidate

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 721; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII,  330016(1)(H), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)


Obviously, everyone involved denies it ever happens.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #5)

Thu May 26, 2016, 12:15 PM

16. Which is why I am almost sure it didn't happen

Because regardless of whether he has been as progressive as we want, President Obama is not corrupt and unlike many politicians, he has never given any reason for us to think he sees himself as being above the law. Thus I simply cannot believe he would have offered the position as a bribe, and there is simply no evidence of it because it didn't happen.

I recall reading that Hillary was actually a bit reluctant to accept the position when he offered it in November 2008 after the election. Remember she made that trip to Chicago that she said was for personal reasons but turned out to be to meet with Obama about the possibility of being appointed SOS? If her nomination had been set in stone 6 months earlier, why would she have made that trip?

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:46 AM

6. It takes two to make a deal

Obama decided the convenience of having Clinton step aside was worth the possible blowback from her stint at State, it's a calculation he made "Just how bad can she be anyway? She has to have smartened up some since the Iraq pratfall" and it's on him.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #6)

Thu May 26, 2016, 12:30 PM

17. This is total BS

I have seen NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that Obama offered Hillary the Secretary of State position prior to getting elected in exchange for her endorsement, yet I see that meme casually repeated everywhere here. Unless it's all lies, this article I dug up from November 2008 makes it pretty clear that the negotiations regarding her nomination occurred AFTER the 2008 election, and in fact, she was initially reluctant to accept the position.

Think about this: as another poster pointed out, it would have arguably been illegal for him to offer it to her in exchange for her support prior to being elected. If there was one iota of evidence that that's what happened, don't you think Republicans would have pounced on it?

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:02 AM

12. I'll just leave this here

 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/hillary-clinton-blames-obama-for-libya-syria-mess-221995

Criticized by Sanders for spearheading the push to overthrow Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi, Clinton defended her actions and noted that it was Obama, not she, who ultimately made the call to intervene.

"The decision was the president's. Did I do the due diligence? Did I talk to everybody I could talk to? Did I visit every capitol and then report back to the president?" she said. "Yes, I did. That's what a secretary of state does. But at the end of the day, those are the decisions that are made by the president to in any way use American military power, and the president made that decision and, yes, we did try without success because of the Libyans' obstruction to our efforts, but we did try and we will continue to try to help the Libyan people."

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:42 AM

2. Yes.


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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:44 AM

3. Have to watch Brazil. See where he really stands.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:45 AM

4. Is the Pope Catholic?

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:48 AM

7. No, I think he trusted her and she betrayed him

and that is how history will view this.

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Response to merbex (Reply #7)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:02 AM

11. I have a higher opinion of Obama's intelligence than that

By that point Hillary had told everyone who she was, if Obama didn't listen to her that's on him.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:55 AM

8. As compared to Sanders who would throw away such legacy

Sanders does not like President Obama and would throw President Obama's legacy away

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:58 AM

9. And here I thought that Sanders acolytes already believed she is the President. After all,

 

you blame Libya, Syria and every other thing that's happened on her. You don't even mention Obama. So now she's dirtying a President that you've acted as if didn't exist. How funny.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:59 AM

10. Huh? His primary legacy is naive attempts at third way "compromise".

 

and the idea that this "compromise" is always better than what one would get with an actual fight.

Hillary is the epitome of doubling down on that legacy.

It works out just fine for both of them and just fine for all their money men and sycophants.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:06 AM

13. It definitely has the potential

If it comes out that Obama was in some way was helping her cover something up. I hope it is not the case.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:17 AM

14. Hillary Clinton as SOS was one of a number of poor appointments when POTUS Obama first took office.

I am very curious about that POTUS Obama really feels about Hillary Clinton (not what POTUS Obama might voice for public consumption).

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:49 AM

15. I think it depends on how he reacts.

 

If he pulls her close and tries to protect her. . . he owns the whole thing.

If he lets it go forward and allows the full extent of the law to prevail, then he has made it HER problem and not his. She made mistakes, let her pay for them however it turns out.

Simple as that.

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