I have a nominee for induction into the BerniBro Hall of Fame:

[Blue_Tires]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Hassin Bin Sober (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Bill Clinton Gets Into 30-Minute Debate With A 24-Year-Old Bernie Fan

SANTA FE, N.M. — Five different times, aides tried to drag him away from the booth where Josh Brody, a 24-year-old supporter of Bernie Sanders, was holding forth about all that had gone wrong in the 1990s: welfare, NAFTA, Wall Street.

“Other people are waiting,” one staffer said, stepping forward.

“I think we’re gonna agree to disagree here, guys,” he tried again.

“All right, Mr. President. These folks are waiting,” a second aide said.

But for more than 30 minutes, Bill Clinton stayed to argue every point, turning a routine retail stop at Tia Sophia’s, a Mexican restaurant here in Santa Fe, into a one-on-one debate with Brody, a recent graduate of New York’s New School, who said he supported Hillary Clinton’s Democratic challenger. “For the next few weeks — then I’ll be a Stein supporter,” he added of Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

The encounter on Wednesday was emblematic of a presidential election driven by questions about the politics of the 1990s — and the legacy of the Clinton years. On the campaign trail, when confronted with a voter on the rope line or a heckler in the crowd, Clinton is often unwilling to let his record go undefended.

The conversation here began when Clinton approached Brody’s booth. The young Sanders supporter, a Santa Fe native, appeared to decline a handshake with the former president, instead posing a question about “aid to families with dependent children.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/bill-clinton-ends-up-in-30-minute-debate-vs-a-24-year-old-be?utm_term=.es3vpJdNr#.efQaOq72A

So a Berniestan who was playing with his fucking Legos and Power Rangers during the Clinton era wants to lecture WJC about his presidency? How on EARTH does he even walk with balls this fucking big? And real classy declining his handshake, asshole...

I can only come down on him so hard, though... I remember when I was 24 and knew everything there was to know about everything, and nobody could tell me shit. Hopefully someday this kid grows the fuck up and realizes how much of a bellend he was.

Any of our newer posters want to come forward and admit they were that guy? I can think of quite a few candidates...

[tabasco]

1. How dare young people be informed and have opinions!

Shame on him for not bowing down to the powerful man!!

[Blue_Tires]

3. At some point, "strong opinion" has to yield to "expertise", don't you think?

This isn't some poli sci professor he's trying to butt heads with

And please tell me how long you'd entertain some kid who was lecturing you about your job, and past events in your workplace that he was not privy to?

[vintx]

8. Love the ageism... really classy.

Any progressive knows welfare reform was fucked.

We all know NAFTA was fucked.

Doesn't require being old as fucking dirt to be aware of the world around you, you know.

[Skwmom]

18. Expertise at what? Enacting disastrous legislation for your own personal gain and power?

Expertise at driving this country into the ditch?

[HumanityExperiment]

27. ...This isn't some poli sci professor he's trying to butt heads with...

Maybe it should be, Bill is a lawyer, he was elected president

Knowing the outcomes of the policies involves knowing the facts, not the spin... notice who was trying to spin and who wasn't?

Yeah... It's interesting to see posts like this from HRC supporters that blindly adhere to rhetoric rather than facts

Just because Bill and Hillary wear the 'blue jersey' doesn't give them an automatic pass when it comes to debating the facts as well as progressive / liberal ideology against the outcomes of so called DEM elected officials

odd that your posts and replies avoid intellectual honesty and defer to casting aspersions towards the young lad...

[Blue_Tires]

34. "Avoid intellectual honesty?"

Like you could define the term...

But thanks for speaking up, I like all my enemies on this forum to out themselves... If you're still around after the primary (and I seriously doubt you will be), we'll chat this out at length.

[HumanityExperiment]

47. ...Intellectual honesty...

Wow, I'm mortally wounded by your post.... ouchie...

I'll be around, not going to let folks, like yourself, use the rules to get me into that 'gotcha' post moment...

I'm sure you're going to be one of those 'advocates of out' that try to shield yourself by trying to remove more capable minds from damaging your precious forum.... let's call it 'perception'....

By 'chat', well, let's just say you'll be on the interesting, yet comically losing end of that...

It's good to get ya dialed in so quickly with one post though, you do have that going for ya

I had hopes to get an actual reply to the point I made but alas that is not to be...

Have a day!

[JohnnyRingo]

54. You'd be surprised how uninformed young people are about NAFTA

[Blue_Tires]

4. Wow... ok....

I appreciate you candor

[wildeyed]

17. Really vile comment n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

29. Well it's stupid vile thread.

Who the fuck care if someone isn't gobsmacked by bullhorn bill.

[rock]

31. True

He may even have shaken hands with you in the past.

[Autumn]

5. That young man who was playing with his fucking Legos and Power Rangers during the Clinton era

sounds pretty damn fucking informed about the damage some of Bill's policies. And if you don't mind me saying so, you might be older than him but I think that 24 year old kid knows a lot more about the Clinton era than than you do, since he knows how to discuss issues that impacted a fucking lot of people without being an ass, and he has a lot more class and decency than you do. I don't hear him talking about someones "balls", maybe it's just jealousy on your behalf eh?

[Blue_Tires]

9. Since you have no idea who the fuck I am, that's an ambitious leap to make.

So you and the intrepid Mr. Brody have that much in common, at least.

[Autumn]

11. And you don't fucking know who he is and you don't fucking know his life either.

You just have hurt fee fees because he doesn't think like you do and automatically respect some past president who slid into the dust bin of history years ago and doesn't realize how irrelevant he is to people today.

[vintx]

10. ^^^^^^^^ This shit right here!!!! ^^^^^^^^

[Starry Messenger]

6. I love that his name is Brody.

You can't make this stuff up.

[wildeyed]

19. You can't make up some of the comments in this thread, either.

It is like they are trying to confirm every bad stereotype there out there.

[Starry Messenger]

38. That's why I don't believe they are Trump trolls.

These people exist. Yikes!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. How about you rebut Mr. Brody's points, rather than be outraged that he has an opinion? nt

[Blue_Tires]

13. Because once I did all that work, I wouldn't get a single response from you

or anyone else... You'd vanish in the goddamned wind. I've fallen for that trap enough times on DU, thank you very much...

Besides, there isn't enough time in my day to refute all the bullshit I see on DU and elsewhere. And if there was, Brody wouldn't be on my Top 50 list...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

21. Or maybe...

...you can't rebut Mr Brody's points.



I'll go with that.

[CorkySt.Clair]

48. More likely they would just move the goalposts.

That's why I laugh when I hear Berners saying Hillary needs to be the one to make it right with them.

In reality, there is nothing she could say or do (other than self immolating) that would satisfy them.

[wildeyed]

20. Bill Clinton already did. n/t

[B Calm]

12. Young man concerned about politics, how horrible!

[Blue_Tires]

14. Hopefully he learned a lesson, then

Maybe his balls will someday grow big enough to stop Trump on the campaign trail and give him the same grilling?

[B Calm]

16. Never to trust the Oligarchy would be the lesson learned!

[Blue_Tires]

41. He's going to go through life not trusting anyone then

Since most of us are connected to it in some shape or form, either through friends, relatives or occupation...

[B Calm]

44. Good lesson then.

[Matt_in_STL]

32. I'm sure if Trump interrupted his meal he would get the same treatment

This kid didn't approach Bill, he didn't ask to speak to him. He was approached and when Bill didn't like the views this kid had, he threw a tantrum. I'm with the kid - don't interrupt me while I am eating my Mexican food.

[Autumn]

36. I love that restaurant. I'd be pissed if my food got cold

[Blue_Tires]

37. So anybody who stops to say hi

while you're eating gets the pissy shit treatment?? Ok...

[Matt_in_STL]

43. Friends, no. Family, no.

Tantrum throwing, glad-handers, yes.

[CorkySt.Clair]

49. Berners don't criticize Republicans

Even those that come in orange.

It's not in their DNA.

[Jester Messiah]

52. Oh wow, is gonad talk cool here now?

Or if I said somebody doesn't have the tits to stand up to an argument, would I get an all-7 hide?

[pinebox]

15. My God it's awful that some normal person spoke to a former President

about their concerns! THE HORROR!

[cali]

22. Most newbies here are hilly and Brock fans

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. I'd say they are more enamored with Brock than with Hillary.

[cali]

45. I take you at your word. Welcome.

[redstateblues]

55. That's a BSS myth.Plenty of lo poster newbies for Bernie in the last month

[Renew Deal]

24. People like Josh Brody are more upset with the politics of the 90's than the politics of the 00's

They are republican enablers just like the fools that voted for Nader.

[DebDoo]

39. They're upset because they see it happening all over again. By refusing to acknowledge the problems

Of the past you admit you're willing to do it all over again.

[Renew Deal]

46. It's happening again because of the same ridiculous rationalizations

The same "no difference between the parties nonsense." They were suckers then and they are suckers now.

[vintx]

50. It's happening again because too many dem voters seem happy with Republican lite

New democrats are assisting with the rightward shift of both parties.

It ends this year.

[tritsofme]

25. I was impressed by the moxie of this young man.

Debating substantive issues and opposing the policies of a former president to his face takes quite a lot of guts.

I'm quite sure the only reason Bill stuck around that long is because he was impressed and enjoyed the conversation.

[yodermon]

26. Yeah! tell that little SHIT where his place is!!

Respect my Authoritahh!
Way to reach out to the next generation there bruh. Please proceed with that, um, philosophy.

[KeepItReal]

28. I'm a actual Brotha for Bernie. Where's my nomination?

[Trust Buster]

30. He sounds unhinged and selfish. I'm shocked.....LOL

[islandmkl]

33. "What the fuck do you know about history?...I was THERE when it all happened!"

"Uhh, sir...that is exactly what I am talking about."

[mindwalker_i]

35. This post is sexism USED by a Hillary fan

Unfortunately, that's quite common, even while whining their heads off about everything against Hillary being sexism.

However, there is a strong theme to this post that people should be deferential to Democrats (big D, tm). In this case, Bill Clinton. There's this feeling that people shouldn't question Democrats, shouldn't disagree with them. "Shouldn't question nobility" is what this translates to, and it's exactly the wrong attitude in a democracy. The same idea is behind the anger at people who question Hillary and her past decisions, or who question her disregard of rules when it came to e-mail.

[CorkySt.Clair]

42. He just has a sad because he knows his college loans won't be written off

Since Bernie lost.

Most of the Berners are in it for themselves in one way or another. They all have some "angle" to play that usually involves getting something for nothing.

[vintx]

51. Don't feed the trolls!

Just a friendly reminder

[jillan]

53. In regards to your SEXIST post - in order to be treated with respect

You have to earn it.

Something the Clintons don't seem to understand.

[redstateblues]

56. Yeah-8 years of peace and prosperity-It was awful I tell you

all those millions of new jobs and rising income. Hopefully we won't have to go through again.

[tonyt53]

58. People of all groups had hope - something they had been missing for years.

[Todays_Illusion]

57. It is a shame your dismissal of the youth vote is the outstanding point of this post. nt