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Thu May 26, 2016, 05:55 PM

Fellow Liberals, Letís Stop Doing These Things

From Slate:

I count myself among the many silent liberals who have largely kept their feelings on Bernie versus Hillary to themselvesópartly because each speaks to me in different ways. But largely because, faced with the specter of a hateful orange man suffering from personality disorders that should have been disqualifying being elected president, the war between the Bernie people and Hillary people always felt like a luxury I couldnít afford. Itís not that I donít care which of them is the Democratic nominee. Itís just that I care far more about staving off the apocalypse. Also, my response to the very existence of Donald Trump as a serious contender for the presidency has been one of anger. I am angry almost always. Pouring more kerosene on the anger strikes me as pointless.

That said, I have been taken up short by the number of comments and scoldings I have faced, from close friends and casual acquaintances alike, for voicing even a hint of support for one or the other in recent months. The tone hasnít merely been dismissive and furious; the message beneath has almost universally been that I am a moron.

The 2016 campaign has been focused on rage. Donald Trumpís cunning redirection of his supportersí economic and racial fury into electoral support has been well-documented. But the fury on the progressive end of the spectrum has been harder to pin down. Some of us on the left seem to be suffering from many of the same symptoms we deride in Trump supporters: outrage with the political process; over-identification with our anger and under-identification with our commonalities; and a pervasive sense that anyone who doesnít agree with us suffers from debilitating false consciousness.


Read the whole article here: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/fellow_liberals_stop_doing_this_stuff.html

Whoever the nominee is, can we please set aside petty squabbles of minutiae and decide that we need to #votebluenomatterwho? There is never going to be an ideal candidate for -everyone- on the left. Progressives have fare too many ways of being progressive to be happy with just one person, but to pretend now, after everything we've seen not just in this primary season, but in the years leading up to it, that "the parties are the same" is absurd.

Does Hillary have issues that progressives find extremely problematic? Yes.
Does Bernie have issues that moderate liberal voters find extremely problematic? Yes.

Is Trump a better choice than a blue ticket?

Not just no, but fuck no.

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Reply Fellow Liberals, Letís Stop Doing These Things (Original post)
Saviolo May 2016 OP
Actor May 2016 #1
Saviolo May 2016 #2
Dem2 May 2016 #3
LonePirate May 2016 #4
Saviolo May 2016 #6
99Forever May 2016 #5
Saviolo May 2016 #7
99Forever May 2016 #8
Shandris May 2016 #9

Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:00 PM

1. You have a typo there "there is never going to be an ideal candidate" not idea

and boy is that true.

Bernie comes closest.

But to walk away from the whole shooting match and let Trump take over, yes, that is insane.

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Response to Actor (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:02 PM

2. Great spot, thanks!

Corrected!

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:06 PM

3. Damn is that right on target

that could have been me writing that article:

That said, I have been taken up short by the number of comments and scoldings I have faced, from close friends and casual acquaintances alike, for voicing even a hint of support for one or the other in recent months. The tone hasnít merely been dismissive and furious; the message beneath has almost universally been that I am a moron.

The 2016 campaign has been focused on rage. Donald Trumpís cunning redirection of his supportersí economic and racial fury into electoral support has been well-documented. But the fury on the progressive end of the spectrum has been harder to pin down. Some of us on the left seem to be suffering from many of the same symptoms we deride in Trump supporters: outrage with the political process; over-identification with our anger and under-identification with our commonalities; and a pervasive sense that anyone who doesnít agree with us suffers from debilitating false consciousness.


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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:09 PM

4. Sound advice. Hopefully those "principled" supporters of a certain candidate will soon see the light

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #4)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:16 PM

6. It is my fervent hope

That this sinks in on both sides.

Bernie still has a very narrow path to the nomination, and I know plenty of people in California who are pretty unhappy that the Clinton camp thinks that they don't matter in the slightest moving forward.

By the same token, that path is -incredibly- narrow, and increasingly it looks like Hillary will be the nominee. But I'd love to see some "congrats on a good campaign, Bernie" or "look what you've accomplished in this primary" instead of smug self-satisfaction. Bernie supporters are already frustrated, and that's not helping build any bridges.

Can we meet somewhere in the middle, and boost liberal and progressive agendas together instead of both sides saying, "My liberalism is better/more pragmatic/more possible/purer than yours!"

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:12 PM

5. Another lameass loyalty pledge attempt.

You want my support and vote? EARN IT! And childish, pathetic scare tactics ain't gonna cut it.

No fucking candidate or political party owns my support or vote by default. NONE. ZERO. NADA.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:24 PM

7. See, here's this part of the article:

Some of us on the left seem to be suffering from many of the same symptoms we deride in Trump supporters: outrage with the political process; over-identification with our anger and under-identification with our commonalities; and a pervasive sense that anyone who doesnít agree with us suffers from debilitating false consciousness.


It's not a loyalty pledge, it's an effort to dissuade the tribalism that's tearing the *discourse* apart.

A Bernie supporter posts something, and Hillary supporters post pages of

A Hillary supporter posts something, and Bernie supporters post pages of derision.

Look, I get the frustration. I really wanted to see Bernie win the primary race. And while he still can, it's increasingly unlikely. I'm as frustrated as you are at the way the system is set up, but we've got to direct the anger in a better direction than other liberals.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #7)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:21 PM

8. I'm not frustrated. I'm not angry.

I'm done enabling phony fucking politicians to lie to me. Hillary is no liberal. Not by a long shot.

And I'm still not taking your loyalty pledge. Period.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:33 PM

9. "Our commonalities."

 

"Bernie supporters are all EVIL WHITE MEN!!! WHITE!!! THEY'RE WHITE!! DID YOU HEAR ME, THEY'RE LIKE TOTALLY WHITE OHMYGAWD I CAN'T EVEN DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TERRIBLE THAT IS!! THEY'RE WHITE!! AND MEN!!! MEN, OF ALL THINGS! AND WHITE! DID I MENTION THEY'RE ALL RACIST WHITE MEN WHO HATE WOMEN AND ARE LIKE TOTAL MISOGYNISTS, LIKE SOME GUY WHO CLAIMED ONLINE TO SUPPORT BERNIE SENT A DEATH THREAT!!"

I'm sorry, I must have missed our 'commonalities' amongst all that. You were saying something about 'minutiae' and 'petty squabbles'?

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