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Fri May 27, 2016, 04:12 PM

Which clinton campaign is more of a train wreck 08 or 16?

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Reply Which clinton campaign is more of a train wreck 08 or 16? (Original post)
SwampG8r May 2016 OP
brooklynite May 2016 #1
w4rma May 2016 #6
LenaBaby61 May 2016 #2
SwampG8r May 2016 #4
LenaBaby61 May 2016 #8
silvershadow May 2016 #3
onehandle May 2016 #18
RiverNoord May 2016 #5
joshcryer May 2016 #7
JonLeibowitz May 2016 #11
CrowCityDem May 2016 #9
jamese777 May 2016 #10
LenaBaby61 May 2016 #13
senz May 2016 #22
annavictorious May 2016 #30
B Calm May 2016 #12
jamese777 May 2016 #16
ThirdWayToTheHighway May 2016 #28
ThirdWayToTheHighway May 2016 #26
HumanityExperiment May 2016 #14
mythology May 2016 #15
Skink May 2016 #17
Mohammed_Lee May 2016 #19
m-lekktor May 2016 #20
B Calm May 2016 #24
karynnj May 2016 #21
senz May 2016 #23
okieinpain May 2016 #25
floriduck May 2016 #27
Bleacher Creature May 2016 #29
HooptieWagon May 2016 #31
jamese777 May 2016 #32
HooptieWagon May 2016 #33
jamese777 May 2016 #34
HooptieWagon May 2016 #35
jamese777 May 2016 #36
jamese777 May 2016 #39
Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #37
Garrett78 May 2016 #38
bigwillq May 2016 #40

Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:14 PM

1. Well, Clinton is WINNING in 2016...

Of course, Clinton DELIVERED her voters to Obama in 2008...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:17 PM

6. If she wins the primary, Democrats lose the presidency and she has zero coattails, so she squanders

 

an epic opportunity to retake Congress and many state legislatures. But, neoliberals are more afraid of progressives than neoconservatives, so they are perfectly fine with this. They only care about the billionaire bribe money.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:15 PM

2. In 2016, she's about to win the Dem nomination...

For the presidency, unlike when she lost out in the primaries to then Senator Barack Obama in 2008.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #2)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:16 PM

4. Counting chickens before they hatch

Its over for her

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #4)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:24 PM

8. Notice...

I used the word about.

Secondly, it IS about to be over for the 2nd place finisher in the Dem primary.

Using the word about again.

About:

"used to indicate movement within a particular area."

Hillary Clinton is moving towards the Democratic nomination for president.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #3)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:42 PM

18. What does that say for Sanders? nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:17 PM

5. I'm a Sanders supporter, and I find your OP tasteless.

 

Seriously, it's pure insult - not cool.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:17 PM

7. 2008, severely underestimated the caucuses.

Her low key campaign this time around has been relatively benign.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #7)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:27 PM

11. Except for all her lies, yes.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:24 PM

9. The only wreck was caused by running over Bernie's campaign.

 

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:24 PM

10. In 2008 she lost

In 2016 she's doing much better:
Primaries' total popular vote as of May 27th
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%)
Donald Trump: 11,266,041

Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824
Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672
Trump over Sanders: 1,057,152

Hillary Clinton: 1,775 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,499 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 42 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,297 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,541 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 26 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 89 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 842 delegates

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #10)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:31 PM

13. Nice...

June 14th can't come soon enough

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #10)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:03 PM

22. Hillary: 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie: 1487 pledged delegates

 

Bernie has 284 fewer pledged delegates than Hill.

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046916

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Response to senz (Reply #22)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:58 PM

30. Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries

 

Neither Democratic candidate had enough pledged delegates going into the convention in 2008.

It will be over for Sanders after the first roll call vote.

I know there are entitlement issues with Sanders and his supporters, but he's not going to be handed a nomination he didn't win.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:31 PM

12. 16 the year the DNC handed the presidency to Trump by pushing their un-vetted corporate candidate.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #12)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:40 PM

16. Refund

I'd take that crystal ball back to Walmart if I were you. No one can predict the future.

On October 22, 2012, the Gallup Poll said Romney over Obama 53-46, just weeks before the election.

Obama beat Romney by five million votes.

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #16)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:50 PM

28. Funny how there's outliers in polling

 

Care to take a look at the aggregate? Further, why would you choose someone that is tied for losing in the aggregate this far out and who never trends upward against someone who's way ahead? Seriously the Hillary shilling is impossibly illogical.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #12)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:47 PM

26. Correction:

 

Their vetted and proven to be terrible candidate.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:39 PM

14. ...both...

 

Here's why...

'08 she and her campaign couldn't overcome a 'grassroots' nominee, she thought she learned her lesson and prepared for it in '16
So far she's barely beating Bernie, so her ability to overcome is lacking to a larger degree... bad leadership shown

Now in '16, she's losing against national polling against TRUMP... TRUMP...
If she's so feckless and l;acking against him now, it's only going to get worse as they toss everything and the kitchen sink at the public

Trump 'wins' with PR, and using media against his rivals... he's much better than Clinton at that, she's lost that very large gap she had earlier against him....

So imo it's both, bu the trend is showing '16 will be a larger train wreck

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:39 PM

15. Neither

 

In 2008 she ran up against an exceptional candidate who had an exceptional strategy. It's hard to blame somebody for losing to Obama, especially with as close as the delegate count was.

In 2016 she had learned from her 2008 campaign and is beating Sanders by a much wider margin than Obama won with in 2008.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:41 PM

17. shes looking at a tiebreaker.

Already down a mini break to a guy that serves at 120.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:42 PM

19. 16 is more painful to watch at this point... n/t

 

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:47 PM

20. 08 because it doesn't get much tackier/craven than when she implied Obama might end up like RFK. nt

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Response to m-lekktor (Reply #20)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:28 PM

24. That Hillary quote was sick beyond any measure. That alone should had disqualified her from ever

 

running again.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 04:52 PM

21. 2016

Obama was a far stronger opponent and he had substantial support from one side of the Democratic party - including Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, and Durbin. Sanders had no one for a long time - and now has just Senator Merkley and a few people in the House.

Not to mention, Obama had more name recognition -- and all of it was good - from his 2004 speech.

In addition, Obama had many of Daschle's and then Kerry's operatives. Sanders had Weaver, who owned a comic book store and a relatively middle level Tad Devine.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:25 PM

23. Clinton has a longer history of failure in 2016.

 

Obama reminded us of her support for the Iraq War.

But now she has her abysmal record as SOS: the disastrous mistakes in Libya, Syria, and Honduras, along with her lawless disregard for national security and her lucrative "deals" with weapons manufacturers and third world countries.

She is more clearly incompetent and corrupt now than she was in 2008.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:40 PM

25. both of them equally. she should have had this mess figure out by now

instead we have to live with the bern.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:48 PM

27. Actually, she's been running since she left the White House. Few are as calculated as Hill. At

 

least she doesn't hide it.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 05:51 PM

29. These passive aggressive OPs are getting annoying.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2016, 06:34 PM

31. She lost in '08, but at least not subject of FBI criminal investigation.

 

Even if she manages to avoid indictment and get elected this Nov, there is a 100% certainty of her being impeached...brought upon by herself. So '16 would have to be the bigger self-inflicted trainwreck.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #31)

Fri May 27, 2016, 07:46 PM

32. Impeached?

If the Senate stays the same as it is now, 54 Republicans and 46 Democrats, it would take every Republican plus 13 Democrats to remove a president from office via impeachment. Its not gonna happen. Its nearly impossible to get 67 votes on anything in the Senate.

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #32)

Fri May 27, 2016, 08:02 PM

33. That's for removal from office on impeachment charges.

 

Impeachment is the filing of the charges. It only takes a simple majority of the House.
IOW, Bill Clinton was impeached by the House. The Senate didn't have the votes to remove him.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #33)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:26 PM

34. Yes I Know

Nobody who's left of center cares if the Republican majority in the House votes out a Bill of Impeachment against a Democratic President that can die in the Senate.

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #34)

Fri May 27, 2016, 10:34 PM

35. First of all, it neuters the president.

 

Bill Clinton got nothing done after his impeachment, even though it didn't result in his removal from office. He was so toxic Gore kept him out of his campaign.
Also, just because Republicans don't hold 67 Senate seats is no guarantee. A strong enough case could be made to persuade a few Dems to join in, especially if POTUS is abusing power and VP is relatively popular. This is what forced Nixons resignation...he was told several Republicans were going to vote with Democrats, Ford was an acceptable successor. So Nixon admitted defeat and resigned.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #35)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:00 AM

36. Bill Clinton

got his highest job approval rating the same week that the House passed the Bill of Impeachment and he finished his second term with the highest job approval rating of any president except for John F. Kennedy.

"PRINCETON, NJ -- President William Jefferson Clinton will leave office next week with the highest average job approval rating any president of the past half century has received over his last three months in office, but with low public ratings of his personal character, and with Americans expressing mixed feelings about his record of accomplishments and what he should do in the future."-- Gallup News Service
http://www.gallup.com/poll/2125/clinton-leaves-office-mixed-public-reaction.aspx

Clinton Receives Record High Job Approval Rating After Impeachment Vote And Iraq Air Strikes

Despite the fact that he is only the second President in U.S. history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, President Bill Clinton received a 73% job approval rating from the American public this past weekend, the highest rating of his administration, and one of the higher job approval ratings given any president since the mid-1960s.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/4111/clinton-receives-record-high-job-approval-rating-after-impeachment-vot.aspx

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #35)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:29 AM

39. 41 to 1

41 Democratic Senators have endorsed Hillary Clinton; 1 Senator, Jeff Merkley of Oregon has endorsed fellow senator Sanders. 3 Senators haven't endorsed anyone. All of those Senators are also superdelegates.
It is unlikely that Democrats would vote to impeach the person that they endorsed and voted for to be the party's nominee.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:06 AM

37. 16 - the investigation this time is worse plus social media is much more pronounced now.

However, she said some nasty ass shit in '08 like the Bobby Kennedy remark.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:21 AM

38. Which of your spouses did you beat more severely?

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:44 AM

40. 16.

 

She is just awful. Wipe it. With a cloth.

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