2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow much $$$$ have Bernie and Jane cleared from this primary?
Does anyone know how much they're taking down in salary and how much is being funneled to related vendors etc?
This is probably more money than he's made in his life just from this primary. No wonder he wants to continue until the inevitable bitter end. There's too much money on the table to quit now.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)portlander23
(2,078 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Pathetic, considering he's the only actual Democrat and progressive for miles around.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Someone who won't take skim. If bernie wanted dough like that he could sell himself to the oligarchs. This thread is rot and an eye opener to the other side.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)portlander23
(2,078 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)If we are.going down this road lets.go.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)Seriously. Pit Mrs. Clinton's treacherous relationship with the truth against Mr. Sanders.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)I don't know why Bernie feels that he's above this kind of basic disclosure that's expected of serious presidential candidates.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)What's unprecedented was Mrs. Clinton going hat in hand to the financial industry in the run up to the primary and coordinating directly with a super pac, but sure, let's keep attacking Mr. Sanders on the corruption angle. Please.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Why would you make a statement about him and his long form birth certificate? You sound like Donald Trump.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Last edited Mon May 30, 2016, 07:56 PM - Edit history (1)
where's stands for "where is"... "where is" refers to just one tax return "where are" would mean more than one. If you are going to be rude please try to use proper grammar.
enid602
(8,614 posts)How does one 'proper grammar?' Sorry, my Bernese is a bit rusty.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)enid602
(8,614 posts)Not quite as much as I'll be on 6/7.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Never fails that when someone calls someone else out on grammar, they've made a grammatical mistake themselves.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Obviously, Sanders cannot pay himself, but he can pay his wife a lot of money for being involved in his campaign. That is why he won't release the tax returns. Considering that he has paid family before during his House campaigns, it's hard to believe that he has cashed in on some of the tens of millions of dollars that have come in.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)quite a lot from their "charity" to play Jethro Bodine, Double Aught Spy in Libya.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)constitutes charity, but thank goodness we got that "regime change" in Libya, right?
Autumn
(45,056 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)from sucking up to the banksters she hopes to, uh, "regulate." Bernie has spent his entire career in public service, has an income and lifestyle that reflect that fact, and has never been accused of corruption. Corrupt people tend to assume others are as corrupt as they are, which is probably where this is coming from - if it's not a Rove/Brock attempt to slime Bernie with the same goop that covers Hillary.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)He spent years without a real paycheck until he got elected Mayor and since then his income has all been from his elected offices. He has previously paid his wife and stepdaughter for working on his campaign, so it's not a stretch to think that he's doing the same in this presidential campaign. He's continuing to solicit donations when he has lost a race, so I question the motivation. I'm not corrupt and I'm not connected to Rove or Brock, so you're being paranoid there.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)IMHO. Again, there has never been the slightest whiff of financial misfeasance in the 40 years or so that he's been an elected official. If he ever wanted or tried to profit from his political career there is no evidence of it at all, anywhere. It is not illegal to pay family members for working on a campaign as long as the payments are properly accounted for, and there's no evidence they were paid more than their work was worth. If Jane is getting paid it will show up on the FEC report - and it will almost certainly be much less than Hillary made from a single speech at Goldman Sachs.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I get, I get, private sector is evil and working is something that is a corporatist scheme, etc. Different strokes for different folks, so whatever. However he spends his campaigns money is his problem and it doesn't effect me since I didn't donate to him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Bernie has not become rich, and there's no evidence he ever took advantage of his position to make money for himself.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)10% in taxes. Trump doesn't pay any income taxes and the Clintons pays 35%. I sure hope we can get the rich people to pay their fair share of taxes.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)his income is not anywhere near to either the Clintons' or Trump's. My understanding is that he paid 13%, not 10%, but neither percentage is necessarily strange; it would depend on the deductions. We have a progressive tax system so it stands to reason that the Clintons pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes. The only tax returns of Trump's that we know about, which were from the '70s, show no taxes paid because he deducted a lot of losses. What, if anything, he's been paying lately is unknown. I agree that the very wealthy should pay more taxes and should not be able to take advantage of offshore tax dodges or some of the other tax avoidance methods available only to the very rich.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)People who dedicate their lives to public service are leeches. You need to get a real job working for a good, upstanding American corporation or you aren't worth crap.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I mean real Ronnie, not the myth.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)On the bright side, nether Lincoln, or FDR, or LBJ or JFK or Carter would be elected these days as democrats.
QC
(26,371 posts)When I came here, back in 2001, I never imagined that DU would become a place where medicine and education were dismissed as "free stuff" and change was too hard.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Come on! That's petty nit-picking. They are just as valid as doctor, lawyer, candlestick maker!
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I have copies of both best sellers. That alone would have made them both rich. And I don't begrudge them their personal wealth since they earned it. They didn't steal it. They also didn't invent the concept of giving speeches for a fee. Public Speaking for fees has been going on for at least the past hundred years. There's a whole industry built around it. Why does Bernie and his supporters act like this is something NEW. And it's not illegal, so get over it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)and have become obscenely wealthy because of it."
This is all an indictment of the system, not any particular politician; but the fact that the Clintons have thrived for so long within this system and have become obscenely wealthy because of it should trouble any progressives who want to see meaningful reform. As former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich put it, Clinton is the most qualified candidate for president of the political system we now have, but Sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have.
What has been especially disturbing about the 2016 Democratic primary debate over money in politics has been the extent to which partisan Democrats have been willing to use right-wing talking points to defend their preferred candidate, dismissing big money contributions as inconsequential without concrete evidence of quid pro quo.
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/29/hillary_clintons_big_donor_problem_isnt_going_away_her_history_of_taking_wall_street_cash_exemplifies_all_thats_wrong_in_u_s_politics/
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)If she were, it would be in the campaign's FEC reports.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Candidates don't get paid for running for office. That's why most candidates are rich - if you aren't and you have no other source of income you can't afford to quit your job and spend all your time campaigning. Campaign funds have to be accounted for and candidates don't get a salary for campaigning. For Hillary it's not a problem because she's filthy rich already - though, sadly, the Goldman Sachs speeches gravy train had to be sidelined for now.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)But I don't believe Bernie does. The FEC changed the rules on that about 10 years ago to enable candidates who can't otherwise afford to take the time off to campaign to do so.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)Unlike.... Blah, fundraiser. Blah, you owe me. Blah, it's my turn. Blah, give me the keys to the White house.
QC
(26,371 posts)And that "the whining and moaning about sexism is off-putting as well"?
And that the election is "about picking the President of the United States, not some gender crusade"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6154682
woolldog
(8,791 posts)"She is focusing too much on speaking to women and addressing women's issues. This is alienating men. She needs to work on male outreach."
QC
(26,371 posts)What happened to make you change your opinion so radically?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6154682&mesg_id=6166441
woolldog
(8,791 posts)The tea party happened. Biden not running for the nomination happened. A lot of other shit has happened. It's time to close ranks QC.
I'm a pragmatist above all else.
QC
(26,371 posts)But I'm not sure how nominating the only other politician as distrusted and unpopular among the voting public as Trump is the way to avoid him.
Yes, I was hoping for Elizabeth Warren, but one consequence of the Clintons having such a grip on the national party is that virtually no one else was willing to run against HRC, only Sanders.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)This is why I don't support Bernie. The day he said the abortion issue was a distraction...I was done. I have heard nothing about equal pay, abortion, birth control...etc from Bernie. Also, I don't for wagging your finger in a woman's face...had it done to many times.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...equal pay, abortion, birth control...etc from Bernie, then you have not been listening to his campaign speeches, where he repeatedly mentions equal pay for equal work, and the absolute right of a woman to control her own body. In fact he led his speech at Liberty U by pointing out his position on abortion rights.
IOW you are spreading misinformation when you say "women don't matter to Bernie and his peeps".
And BTW, don't be wagging you finger in a woman's face either; I too have had it done too many times.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)I heard nothing of the kind...in fact, he did call abortion a distraction. He has no interest in Women's issues as far as I can tell. It is all about the banks...sick of hearing it.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...got it.
lmbradford
(517 posts)But if it isnt we will accomidate him. No big deal.
Trusting someone like Bernie is easy.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)profiting off the backs of investment bankers.
I do have a problem with Bernie and Jane profiting off the backs of schoolteachers and mechanics, all under the guise that he still has some sort of "chance" to be the nominee. It's disgraceful.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)victory.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)..."making them believe there is a democratic path to victory."
Then I guess Hillary is lying as well, since she clearly also believes there is "a democratic path to victory."
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)To equate him with her
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Hillary Clintons net worth is $31.3 million. Our Hillary Clinton net worth number comes from analyzing her 2015 U.S. Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollar" (It is possibly higher as mentioned in the article.)
Hillary Clinton net worth vs Bernie Sanders net worth: 59 times larger.
Hillary Clinton net worth vs Jeb Bush net worth: 1.5 times larger.
Hillary Clinton net worth vs Ben Carson net worth: About the same.
Hillary Clinton net worth vs median U.S. household net worth: 459 times larger.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)profiting off the backs of investment bankers.
I do have a problem with Bernie and Jane profiting off the backs of schoolteachers and mechanics, all under the guise that he still has some sort of "chance" to be the nominee. It's disgraceful.
riversedge
(70,187 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)supporter's opinion. Because I have skin in the game. This isn't that complicated.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Hillary's $625,000 paycheck for speaking at Goldman Sachs is almost double Sanders entire networth.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)it's not like cheney who started a war to cash in his haliburton stock options.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)to be clear - bribes.
Lokijohn
(46 posts)it was called bribery and corruption. $150 million dollars in 'speaking fees'. wow
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)think
(11,641 posts)CONOR FRIEDERSDORF JUL 31, 2015
The Wall Street Journals eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.
~Snip~
The article adds that there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clintons involvement in the case and the banks donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton. Maybe its all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasnt even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.
But even that wouldnt make accepting the $1.5 million excusable.
If youre Bill Clinton and your wife has recently intervened, in her capacity as a cabinet secretary, to help a giant corporation avert a significant threat to its bottom-line, the very least you could do, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety, is to avoid negotiating seven-figure paydays with that same corporation. This is particularly jaw-dropping because ultra-wealthy Bill Clinton has virtually unlimited opportunities to give lucrative speeches to any number of audiences not directly implicated by decisions that his wife made as secretary of state....
Read more:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)He is not "profiting" off our backs. It is a movement my friend, not just a campaign. Pay attention and you will see we are contributing not because we think he will win, rather because one should never give up until the game is over.
The game is not over!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)We contribute to his campaign because, win or lose, he has been starting a progressive movement that desperately needed someone to organize it and stir up enthusiasm. I'm happy to contribute even knowing that Hillary will most likely get the nomination. Bernie isn't lying to his supporters - he's telling them that he needs them to keep the movement going no matter who is nominated.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)We are making a movement. I send money because I choose to! It is still my money so anyone like the person above that judges how I spend my money is proof that he/she is not a true liberal if she/he believe they get to judge how other contribute their money.
-none
(1,884 posts)When Bernie, as you say, is profiting off the backs of schoolteachers and mechanics, that means he is beholding to them also, correct?
Who is more deserving of being represented by our representatives? Wealthy people preying on the rest of us for their riches, or us commoners, such as schoolteachers and mechanics, who are struggling to get by?
I think us commoners are more deserving of proper representation, over those rich enough that they can buy their own Congress critters and department heads.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Clinton made $3.15 million in 2013 alone from speaking to firms like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank and UBS, according to the list her campaign released of her speaking fees."
"While Clinton has given paid speeches to many groups, Wall Street banks and investment houses made up a third of her speech income.
She even made more money speaking to UBS and Goldman Sachs than her husband Bill did. Goldman Sachs in New York paid Bill $200,000 for a speech in June 2013 and Hillary $225,000 for a speech in October of that year."
2014 was an even more lucrative year.
What are these firms expecting to get when they pay $225.00 for a 40 minute speech. ?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)But that's why I'm asking. Hopefully someone knows the answer.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Presupposing guilt is embarrassing.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)its validity.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)kind of creepy to use him as the avatar and the name
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)The money belongs to the campaign committee, not the candidate. According to the FEC's rules a campaign committee is allowed to donate the funds to charities or political parties; or contribute $2000 per election to other candidates; or save the money in case the candidate decides to run again. The candidate doesn't get a nickel.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Well, they don't so deal with it.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Get a life. The family doesn't get any money from campaign funds.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Jane has a paid position with the campaign.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/bernie-sanders-used-campaign-donations-pay-family-members-2000-2004/
tabasco
(22,974 posts)MONTPELIER Rep. Bernard Sanders wife Jane was paid about $30,000 from 2002 to 2004 for work on his campaigns, while his stepdaughter Carina Driscoll got about $65,000 over a five-year period ending last year, a Sanders aide said Wednesday.
$10,000 a year for wife for 3 years while working on campaigns.
$13,000 a year for step-daughter for 5 years while working on campaigns
A friend of Chelsea Clinton made $275,000 in five months while working for the Clinton Foundation.
It takes some nerve to complain about those expenditures by Sanders while the Clintons take graft and influence-peddling to new heights with their "foundation" aka slush fund.
"Much of the Foundations money goes to travel ($8.5 million in 2013); conferences, conventions and meetings ($9.2 million); and payroll and employee benefits ($30 million). Ten executives received salaries of more than $100,000 in 2013. Eric Braverman, a friend of Chelsea Clinton, was paid nearly $275,000 in salary, benefits, and a housing allowance for just five months work as CEO that year."
Why the Clinton Foundation is so controversial
http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/02/economist-explains-4
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)THIS one is about Bernie and HIS cashflow.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'm all ears. Links and sources for all the scathing facts, please.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)and we'll go from there.
Actually no, you're not the least bit interested, and I'm not playing fetch for you anyway.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)That's all ya' got? LMAO.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Ya' got nuthin.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)There has been so much of it. It's disgusting.
QC
(26,371 posts)has been deployed against Sanders right here on an ostensibly liberal site.
It's sickening.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)According to that article, campaign staff directly benefits from ad buy revenue. HRC capped the amount for her staffers, Bernie did not.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)for any of the consulting firms that take a percentage of the ad buy revenue.....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-is-biggest-spender-of-2016-so-far--generating-millions-for-consultants/2016/04/28/600170ce-0cf2-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html
nadinbrzezinski
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...for the presidential campaign.
The campaign pays its vendors as does the Clinton campaign and most presidential campaigns. Have you objected to any other campaigns paying vendors?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)DeeDeeNY
(3,354 posts)This is beyond ridiculous.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)hit 'em all honey
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Do you think only rich people should run for office?
This is shocking in how classist and rude it is.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)I thought my ignore list was complete, but let's add one more.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Pretty obvious with the college thing that they may not handle funds well...unless they had an accountant with a familiarity of election law...there may be trouble.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...that a back bencher, lifelong Democratic Socialist like Bernie Sanders can beat the Clinton machine in fund raising, by appealing to individuals all over the country and convincing them to make repeated small donations.
Well suck it! Because that is part of the political revolution Bernie has been talking about.
A lot of us are DONE ever giving money to the DNC, who use it to suppress progressive candidates, and who funnel the money back to HRC anyway these days.
Yep, a new day has dawned. The road ahead may be bumpy, but Bernie has shown us that it is possible to carve out a new road and pave it ourselves, and that is what we shall do.