Barney Frank on MSNBC Just Now:

[CrowCityDem]

Barney Frank let it be known that he will not be harassed into submission by the Sanders' campaign. Not only did he aggressively fight back against the notion that he couldn't be impartial in adjudicating the rules (including explaining the very limited role the rules committee holds), he let fly a damning criticism of Bernie.

It was, if you pardon my paraphrasing, "Senator Sanders didn't realize black votes matter."

Ouch. Burn.

[bravenak]

1. Glad he said it!!!

Love Barney Frank!!!!!!

[Segami]

2. Fuck bankster Barney.......

[okieinpain]

3. lol. n/t.

[PJMcK]

6. No, thanks

Not my flavor, not that there's anything wrong with that.

[haikugal]

12. Barney's all in for the Hills and he likes his corrupt money too much to let anything change.

I agree...fuck Barney Frank and the thirdway!

[840high]

36. .that^

[frylock]

58. Word up.

[anotherproletariat]

4. Feel the Barn!! nt

[Justice]

27. Love it!

[bjo59]

5. Why would I ever want to listen to a word that insufferable buffoon says?

Wish he'd just sit in his cushy bank boardroom chair and leave politics alone.

[avaistheone1]

102. Barney is a bore and a sellout.

[elleng]

7. 'aggressively fight back against the notion that he could be impartial,'

JUST what we want, right???

[ebayfool]

13. Yup, that sounds like a truthy slip there! n/t

[ciaobaby]

8. Seriously, You don't have much of a memory do you ?

Bernie knew Black Lives Mattered back when Hillary was a Gold Water Girl.

[elleng]

18. LOTS of faulty memories around.

[ciaobaby]

23. Well it took me just a moment and then I realized what you were referring to....

The time Hillary "thought" their was sniper fire on the tarmac in Bosnia
HAHAHAHA - yet that's the one

[elleng]

25. I was referring to 'Bernie knew Black Lives Mattered back when Hillary was a Gold Water Girl.'

post #8 by ciaobaby.

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. Well ...

His campaign proved that he clearly did not believe Black VOTES mattered.

[ciaobaby]

77. and that is utter and complete bull shit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. You think so? Okay. The vast majority of Black voters, disagree with you.

[ciaobaby]

83. There are many reasons for that, but not one is that Bernie doesn't care about the black vote.

He cares a great deal about voting rights, about jobs, about the minimum wage, about the racist prison system that supports HRC, and about the thousands of predatory loans that ruined so many lives. For his entire career he has been a strong fighter and supporter of equal rights. If the message didn't reach the vast majority of Black voters, I am sorry for them. Maybe they need to listen to Nina Turner or Keith Ellison and many other Bernie supporters.
I don't deny anyone the right to support the candidate of their choice, or to be loyal to one they have known over the years. But that doesn't mean they (or you) has to deny Bernie his much deserved record on civil rights

this may help you understand what you refuse to acknowledge:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

[1StrongBlackMan]

85. No one (Black) would accept your pity and ...

I/we damned sure don't appreciate your condescending ass telling me the proper Black folks to listen to.

[ciaobaby]

90. offered no pity - I apologize if you think I was condescending - not my intent.

[ciaobaby]

91. looking back - I guess I should have stopped after my first response to you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. Yes. You should have ... sometimes, we get caught up ...

but, it's never a bad thing to self-reflect.

[Number23]

94. Now I remember why I stopped giving a fuck.

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. He/she did revisit her/his post and backed off ...

giving me a measure of hope.

Baby steps, N ... baby steps!

[UMTerp01]

9. Looks around to see any lies. No lies found. Frank is right!!!

[tonyt53]

10. Notice how the Bernie people never replied directly to that last line?

Pretty telling.

[haikugal]

15. That false trope was trotted out months ago and is still false. Fail.

[catnhatnh]

17. Okay

How about because old gay white Vermont Barney has a much better grasp of black politics than old straight white Vermont Bernie....Right...

[tonyt53]

29. Since your brought it up, yes a gay man does have some comparable experience.

[bravenak]

51. Agreed

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. I agree, too ... And clearly does the majority of Black voters.

Barney did pretty well with the Black vote ... Bernie? Not so much.

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. No one said anything about having an ... "

understanding of my life experience as a bi-racial man, the statement was an understanding of Black politics.

[mmonk]

11. Having a hack for billionaire bankers call us racists is not the way

to keep people in the Democratic Party.

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. Not campaign as if Black votes matter is not calling ANYONE a racist.

[Number23]

92. You would think that the people STILL screaming "stop calling me a racist!!111" would have long ago

realized how moronic and counter-productive they sound.

Frank didn't call anyone racist just like NO ONE has called Sanders a racist. What Frank did is very similar to what hundreds of other people have done which is to note that Hillary Clinton is winning the minority vote by a West Virginia mile and that one of the reasons for that is that Sanders has, for reasons that few understand, never put forth the outreach to minority communities to secure our votes.

Now, you and I both know this will mean absolutely NOTHING to these folks that love to shriek "racism!111one" anytime anyone attempts to discuss the racial elements in this race but it is what it is.

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. +1 ... For the seemingly, millionth time.

[oasis]

14. Barney Frank would be on my short list for Vice President.

[bravenak]

16. +1000

That man is a true Democrat!!

[Fawke Em]

80. If you're serious, then I'm happy that I'll be gone.

[Armstead]

45. Mine too...Vice President of Bosnia

(or substitute the far away nation of your choice)

[oasis]

59. Remember the advice of Vito Corleone "Keep your friends close

and your number crunchers closer".

[CentralMass]

64. Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco.

http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/28/franks_fingerprints_are_all_over_the_financial_fiasco/

[PJMcK]

20. Barney Frank has been a hero

Congressman Frank has served his country and his constituency very well. He has fought the progressive and Democratic fight effectively and fearlessly. While he may now be employed by an entity that many of us detest, we don't know a thing about what he does there.

It's disappointing to hear the vehemence directed at someone who has fought the good fight. As an analogy, let me offer this. My father worked as a chemical engineer in the paper industry. During the last 25 years of his career, his primary focus was on developing and implementing technologies that would drastically reduce the effluence from paper mills. Obviously, this is good for the environment. One time, I chided him for working "for the Man" since he was employed by major corporations. He responded that he was doing good work from inside the belly of the beast and besides, the money was better.

The heightened emotions of the Democratic Primary have been, at times, quite acrid. For me, Congressman Frank gets the benefit of the doubt.

[mmonk]

22. Good for a few million.

[PJMcK]

26. I hope so

Why shouldn't he be entitled to the same level of compensation? That's the free market at work.

However, my real point is that we don't know how Congressman Frank comports himself in his position at Signature Bank. Perhaps he argues the same views and attitudes that he masterly employed in the US House of Representatives against Republicans. As a Board Member, he has a say and a vote on all issues that come before that Board of Directors. Please remember that during much of his tenure in Congress, he was in the political minority and as an openly gay politician, he was subjected to public abuse yet he never shied away from fighting for the Democratic side.

So, in the absence of evidence that he is acting against the policies and views he has held for decades, he gets my support.

[JonLeibowitz]

30. You could say the same for anyone taking part in the revolving door

Finding situations where it is conceivable everyone is acting honorably doesn't mean that things are so.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Is Barney calling Bernie a racist?

[annavictorious]

54. But Sanders parachuted hundreds of white hipsters

into the South Bronx and Oakland! They sang "We Shall Overcome"!
And Sanders was in that one march half a century ago!

[Eric J in MN]

60. Are the people in these photos 'white hipsters'?

http://gothamist.com/2016/04/01/bernie_sanders_bronx_rally.php#photo-33

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. Bernie did a lot of stuff in the 1960s ...

but that was before SNCC failed to see the wisdom of his way to focus on economics, rather than, racism.

It was shortly after that ... Bernie moved to Vermont; and, his active participation in the Civil Rights Movement, faded.

[1StrongBlackMan]

87. No. De-railing, avoided.

[BootinUp]

24. All the Barney Frank attackers are attacking reality and usually with nothing but

name calling.

[Armstead]

47. Reality -- Bernie is not a racist and neither are 97 percent of his supporters

Nor is Bernie racially apathetic. Nor are his supporters.

[BootinUp]

49. You erected a strawman and beat it down.

Because neither Barney Frank nor I suggested anything along that line. On the other hand, demographics played a very large part of determining the outcome. The bottom line is people pick the candidate they feel identifies most closely with their views and supports thier issues.

Barney Franks main point in the interview was that the process for the nomination and the party platform and the rules committee was fair. He also said he favored more primaries over caucuses, and that he was not opposed to eliminating superdelegates.

[Armstead]

52. The Op contained the strawman...

"Senator Sanders didn't realize black votes matter."

[AtomicKitten]

28. Sounds like Frank proved he cannot be impartial.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Bernie's campaign picked the wrong guy to mess with

LOL

[yallerdawg]

32. If you can't find a single Democrat you agree with...

like Barney Frank - then maybe, just maybe you're not a...

[TheKentuckian]

43. There is a duopoly operative, for practical purposes we have two options of party

Trying to deal with the least offensive one or stopping the most offensive one doesn't require anyone to agree with Frank.

You seem to want the benefits and privileges of being half of the governing structure but none of the hassle and negotiations of holding people beyond a tiny perspective to your side. Well, get busy changing election laws and probably the constitution or deal with some push beyond your perspective.

[yallerdawg]

53. I understand how this all functions.

I'm not the one whining about it.

It wouldn't matter to me which candidate won the nomination - I know what I do in November without reservation.

No one has to convince me to go along with the Democratic consensus.

Nixon, Reagan, Bush did that years ago. I don't forget.

[TheKentuckian]

65. I thought maybe I responded to the wrong person but it was you who said

" If you can't find a single Democrat you agree with...

like Barney Frank - then maybe, just maybe you're not a..."


My point stands as stated. No one has to agree with Barney or anyone else literally ever and yes you will get unending push back and down right mutiny when insisting on at least partially representing what the opposition is 100% devoted to, you want the the phony, only expanding to right fake big tent then a bunch will be kicking and screaming the whole way because that is the only option we effectively have.

[yallerdawg]

67. Where is the Democrat you do like?

That's the question.

"Clinton sucks. Obama sucks. Democratic senators suck, House reps suck..."

We have a Big Tent, but you got to enter it to be in it!

You're not in it if you stand outside and throw rocks at it all day and all night!

[TheKentuckian]

97. Well, we have circled back to the original response then.

I don't have to like any of them(not that is exactly the case for me personally, I think there is a handful or two of pretty good Democrats though only a few are really great), I have only to be more appalled by the circus barking racists, theocrats, anti tax loons, Birchers, and neocons, that's it

[chascarrillo]

34. Barney Frank: Trans lives don't matter.

See his decision to exclude transgender people from ENDA and his current refusal to apologize for it.

[840high]

37. .+1

[treestar]

38. .....

"Chad Griffin’s one of those people whose political judgment seems to be off," Frank said. "The fact is that HRC, and I, and everybody else were for an inclusive bill in 2007. The issue was we did not have the votes for an inclusive bill. It wasn’t a failure of will. Then the question was, was something better than nothing? Was it better to pass a bill that was protective of lesbian, gay and bisexual people or pass nothing? We tried very hard."

It seems it was a matter of what could pass.

[Dem2]

44. Practical considerations don't matter to the "all or nothing" crew

Many of them think we need to become destitute in a Nazi-like Trump presidency, then have a bloody revolution versus making incremental changes.

[B Calm]

35. Bankster Barney

[Tortmaster]

39. That's seriously funny shit from Barney Frank!

It's also funny reading The New York Daily News editorial board interview of Senator Sanders because the Senator has no clue what's in Dodd-Frank.

[TimPlo]

69. Love reading post like this

Because it really screams out someone who had no clue. If actually read the full interview you would understand that NY Daily News board did not know difference between the Dept of Treasure and Federal Reserved. And then go on to say Sanders did not know about Dodd-Frank. It is so funny that low information people repeat talking points for so long.

[Tortmaster]

70. You need to write better.

And The New York Daily News interview is there, forever, for the world to see. Here's a snippet:

Daily News: Okay. Well, let's assume that you're correct on that point. How do you go about doing it?

Sanders: How you go about doing it is having legislation passed, or giving the authority to the secretary of treasury to determine, under Dodd-Frank, that these banks are a danger to the economy over the problem of too-big-to-fail.

Daily News: But do you think that the Fed, now, has that authority?

Sanders: Well, I don't know if the Fed has it. But I think the administration can have it.

Daily News: How? How does a President turn to JPMorgan Chase, or have the Treasury turn to any of those banks and say,Daily News: Okay. Well, let's assume that you're correct on that point. How do you go about doing it?

Sanders: How you go about doing it is having legislation passed, or giving the authority to the secretary of treasury to determine, under Dodd-Frank, that these banks are a danger to the economy over the problem of too-big-to-fail.

Daily News: But do you think that the Fed, now, has that authority?

Sanders: Well, I don't know if the Fed has it. But I think the administration can have it.

Daily News: How? How does a President turn to JPMorgan Chase, or have the Treasury turn to any of those banks and say, "Now you must do X, Y and Z?"

Sanders: Well, you do have authority under the Dodd-Frank legislation to do that, make that determination.

Daily News: You do, just by Federal Reserve fiat, you do?

Sanders: Yeah. Well, I believe you do.

It gets funnier after that. I especially liked the Editorial Board question: "Do you believe or do you know?" That was very embarrassing for the Senator.

[all american girl]

98. Wouldn't that had been his job to correct them and then give his answer? Just because

the reporter is wrong, is not a good reason to give a clear answer on the main part of your platform.

[TimPlo]

100. So you are picking apart Sanders interview skills

Talk about petty. I mean anything to distract from real issues like a FBI investigation, Nope important thing is how well can a President bullshit in a interview instead of answer questions honestly.

[all american girl]

103. Well, I just think that if you are giving an interview and the reporter

misstates something, it might be a good idea to clear it up. I would hope that he wouldn't be bullshiting the interview if it's the main part of his platform, but could answer the question. That's what I was responding to...nothing about the FBI...

[TheKentuckian]

40. Because lying, swift boating banker lovers are so neutral?

[grasswire]

41. Nobody believes anything he says any more.

He needs to just sit down. He's a fool.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

68. The first of those statements is not just objectively false but very obviously objectively false. NT

[nc4bo]

42. I could never understand a damn word he says.

It always sounds like he has pea gravel and road tar in his mouth when he's talking.

Always did

[Dem2]

46. Isn't making fun of a person's speaking manner kind of small?

Trump made fun of a person who had issues communicating, nice job.

[nc4bo]

50. Repeat.....I have an EXTREMELY difficult time understanding anything he says.

Why? Because of the reason given above.

[NCTraveler]

48. I'm not big on a number of things Frank has done over the years.

But he is on target coming back at Sanders for what they did. Keep bringing it Frank.

[CentralMass]

55. Frank IMO is a short fused vindictive "stretcher of the truth"

Not a good choice for the convention. Wall St must have picked him.

[zappaman]

56. Maybe Governor Jerry Brown can move over a little so Barney can fit comfortably under the bus.

[CentralMass]

63. Yes if everyone only knew that taking bank money made Barney a better regulator.

They would understand.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/12/bank-reform-barney-frank-wall-street-213412

[Eric J in MN]

57. Bernie Sanders did more town halls

...where most of the audience was black than Hillary Clinton did.

[bobbobbins01]

61. He was considered one of the most corrupt members of the house.

So this comes as no big surprise.

[Eric J in MN]

62. Who interviewed Barney Frank? NT

NT

[aikoaiko]

66. Barney Frank proves that he is buased with "Senator Sanders didn't realize black votes matter."

No one is harassing you Barney -- you've been a good attack dog for the banks you work for. I remember when you were great.

[SidDithers]

71. DU rec...nt

Sid

[GeorgeGist]

73. What a stupid, stupid man.

[Dem2]

74. He's one of my favorite Democrats ever

Always loved Barney.

[TheFarS1de]

75. That was very kind .

My definition of the low sell out is somewhat more charged

[Fawke Em]

79. Banker Barney.

Meh...

[all american girl]

99. Question-is being on a bank board bad, or is it that anyone who works at a bank bad?

[Number23]

86. The second Sanders decided to go after him for the irredeemable "crime" of not supporting him

I've been waiting for Frank to say something.

This is pretty good but we all know Frank is holding back. Speak your mind, Barney! Don't bite your tongue. Let it alllllllllllllllll hang out!

[Number23]

89. Here is the video. One thing I didn't know is that not only did the Sanders camp want Frank/Malloy

removed, they have actually threatened to slow down the Convention if they don't get what they're asking for.

There are no words for how low this man has sunk during this primary.

http://www.msnbc.com/kate-snow/watch/barney-frank-bernie-sanders-claims-bogus-696134723830

Frank also notes that Sanders has "never been to a Democratic convention" which may explain some of his obvious confusion.

[all american girl]

101. Bernie is making me very tired.

If it's not one thing it's another. When my kids were younger they acted this way if they were in trouble or wanted to get their way...deflect until something stuck so they could get their way or not be in trouble. I'm too old for this shit.

[auntpurl]

104. You know, if you're trashing Barbara Boxer, Jerry Brown, and Barney Frank in the same week

you might be applying a purity test that EVERYONE will fail. Including your own candidate. You also might not be a Democrat.