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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:34 AM

 

WSJ: "Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee"

Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee
A Sanders win in California would turbocharge the mounting Democratic unease about her viability.
By DOUGLAS E. SCHOEN * May 31, 2016 6:31 p.m. ET * Wall St. Journal

There is now more than a theoretical chance that Hillary Clinton may not be the Democratic nominee for president.

How could that happen, given that her nomination has been considered a sure thing by virtually everyone in the media and in the party itself? Consider the possibilities.

The inevitability behind Mrs. Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen.

A recent PPIC poll shows Mrs. Clinton with a 2% lead over Mr. Sanders, and a Fox News survey found the same result. Even a narrow win would give him 250 pledged delegates or more—a significant boost. California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders, and the experience in recent open primaries has been that the Vermont senator tends to underperform in pre-election surveys and over-perform on primary and caucus days, thanks to the participation of new registrants and young voters.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898

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Reply WSJ: "Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee" (Original post)
99th_Monkey Jun 2016 OP
grasswire Jun 2016 #1
CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #46
nc4bo Jun 2016 #54
SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #65
nc4bo Jun 2016 #66
arikara Jun 2016 #68
AzDar Jun 2016 #2
Jitter65 Jun 2016 #3
dchill Jun 2016 #4
AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #6
99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #9
sheshe2 Jun 2016 #16
Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #18
oberliner Jun 2016 #29
oberliner Jun 2016 #37
bravenak Jun 2016 #5
Reiyuki Jun 2016 #7
BzaDem Jun 2016 #8
w4rma Jun 2016 #10
Name removed Jun 2016 #52
Fawke Em Jun 2016 #62
99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #11
MADem Jun 2016 #17
BzaDem Jun 2016 #23
libdem4life Jun 2016 #70
Scootaloo Jun 2016 #14
840high Jun 2016 #12
sheshe2 Jun 2016 #13
MADem Jun 2016 #15
sheshe2 Jun 2016 #19
w4rma Jun 2016 #20
oberliner Jun 2016 #38
PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #48
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Cobalt Violet Jun 2016 #21
Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #26
oberliner Jun 2016 #39
lostnfound Jun 2016 #41
oberliner Jun 2016 #42
Fawke Em Jun 2016 #63
Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #22
BzaDem Jun 2016 #24
reformist2 Jun 2016 #30
YouDig Jun 2016 #25
Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #31
oberliner Jun 2016 #40
JCanete Jun 2016 #67
underthematrix Jun 2016 #27
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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:35 AM

1. kick nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:09 AM

46. In The End It IS OUR Solemn Hope That TRUTH AND JUSTICE WILL Prevail! Over THIS!

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:31 AM

54. Superficial observation of Hillary's head shaking back and forth

In a "no" motion in all the clips except during the debate.

She shook her head "no" as she was saying having a private email server was "allowed".

How interesting and telling.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:58 AM

65. From the Wall Street Journal

A great friend of progressive government and the Democratic Party.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #65)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:45 AM

66. But the WSJ did not make her shake her head no while her mouth said YES.nt

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:35 PM

68. I finally watched the video

As you say, those reporters are so upset, it looks like they are discussing a funeral which in a sense they are. If even MSNBC is talking like this, you know it has to be bad for Mrs Clinton. This is why I can't figure out Skinner's decision to get rid of us. So we leave, the socks leave because there's no more use for them; Mrs Clinton gets toasted however it happens, and the result is that this place quickly becomes a ghost town.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:36 AM

2. K & R

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:41 AM

3. And Bernie will NOT be President. nt

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:48 AM

4. Because...

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Response to dchill (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:54 AM

6. Because he isn't a corporate sellout

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:58 AM

9. Good answer n/t

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:00 AM

16. You deleted your last post due to a RW source.

Now you quote another. Good job.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:22 AM

18. Doug Schoen is not an RW source. He's a Clinton supporter!

(Schoen) has worked on the campaigns of many Democratic party candidates including Ed Koch and Bill Clinton,[2] and on behalf of corporate clients. He also did work for Senator Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and following her defeat became associated with the People United Means Action movement of disaffected Clinton supporters who refused to support Barack Obama.[7][8] Schoen was a consultant for Jeff Greene in the 2010 Florida Senate election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Schoen


That's why I think this post is so interesting. He was so pissed that Hillary didn't win in '08 that he refused to support Obama. And now he's saying Clinton may not get the nomination, when the Clinton campaign theme--and the only thing she's ever really had going for her--is her "inevitability"?

What kind of burr does he have up his nose? He didn't get hired this time? Could be. But he may also know stuff. He's a political insider fish with long feeler tentacles and lethal fins.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:33 AM

29. Wrong on both counts

 

Perhaps consider going beyond Wikipedia for your information?

He has been attacking Hillary continuously throughout this election cycle in some of the most vile right-wing sources (such as Newsmax and, in your OP, the Wall Street Journal.

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:49 AM

5. Exactly

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:54 AM

7. Possible, but there's not a lot of options

The only way I can see it working out is if the delegates vote to reestablish the original pre-1936 rule requiring a nominee receive a 2/3 majority to get the nomination. And that's only going to happen if the DNC establishment turns against her.


Granted, that just breaks the first ballot and doesn't guarantee Bernie automatically win afterward, though he would have a good shot. *Usually* in these kinds of messy conventions there is so much bad blood that an outsider (Biden or Warren?) are the only thing both sides can agree on moving forward.


Will it happen? If she continues to decline in the national and swing-state polls against Trump, I'll bet some people high up are considering backup plans.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:55 AM

8. Perhaps some people should take a look at who the author is before they K&R.

Schoen said that President Obama should not seek reelection in 2012. He has stated that the President has divided the country along partisan lines, and said that the Affordable Care Act had been a "disaster" for the Democratic Party.[3][4]
Schoen has been critical of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement. In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, he wrote, "President Obama and the Democratic leadership are making a critical error in embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement—and it may cost them the 2012 election."[3][10] He believes that the protesters represent "an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence," and that their common bond is "a deep commitment to left-wing policies."[3][10] Schoen believes that the Democratic Party should not appeal to voters who support taxing oil companies and the rich, but rather to voters in the middle who want lower taxes.[3][11][12][13]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Schoen

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:15 AM

10. Considering that the Clintons kept Schoen on as their political adviser and pollster from 1994-2000,

 

All of that garbage shows the Clintons to have some horrible judgement about who they want to advise them.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:42 AM

62. That further proves the poster's point.

The Clintons have some awful advisors.

Henry Kissinger springs to mind.

And David Brock.

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:22 AM

11. Can we please discuss the content and not the messenger?

 

I would really appreciate that courtesy. It would be very refreshing.

Can you tell me exactly where the article state an untruth?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:01 AM

17. This Fox News commenter does have a BIAS and that bias infects his "message."

You seriously want to hitch your wagon to the star of a guy who was insisting that the libertarians were going to be a factor in 2012, and who was saying Romney had a shot?

Feh! Someone with half-baked messages like that are packaging them up and selling them to people who want what they regard as "good news."

Sometimes, it's not "journalism." It's "content."

He writes "content," and it is shitty content, too.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:04 AM

23. Sure. Practically everything in the article is laughable.

The idea that superdelegates would vote against the pledged delegate winner is absurd. Even the article hypothesizes that she would end with at least 200 pledged delegates over his total. It is even more absurd given that historically, superdelegates were created to stop a candidate like Sanders -- not enable such a candidate.

If you took a look at who the author is (someone who believes that the main problem with the Democratic party is that it is way too far left), you might have been able to see that the entire article is one giant untruth.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:44 PM

70. Crickets. They are still hunting down the Messenger to put a bag

 

over his head. There is no discussion as to content. She doesn't Stand for Anything, much. I love Jon Stewart's production. Devastating...and absolutely true.

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:28 AM

14. The Democratic party never "embraced" OWS

 

What a laughable claim.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:24 AM

12. Kick with love for Bernie

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:25 AM

13. Holy Moly!

A recent PPIC poll shows Mrs. Clinton with a 2% lead over Mr. Sanders, and a Fox News survey found the same result.


Wow! Fox Snooze! Awesome!



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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:57 AM

15. Written by the same bozo who said "Bloomberg can WIN!!!!"

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/douglas-e-schoen-mike-bloomberg-win-article-1.2514087

How'd that work out for him? LOL!

Here he is, in his Fox News gig, calling HRC the "favorite" for 2016:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/15/hillary-clinton-demonstates-why-shes-in-lead-at-second-democratic-debate.html
And saying she's locked it down in NY, game over:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/04/20/clinton-shuts-down-sanders-with-big-win-in-new-york-its-over-for-vermont-senator.html

Four years ago he was saying Romney was gonna pull it out....OOOOH, be very afraid, Barack!!!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/02/the-obama-romney-gap-is-narrowing.html

And he also predicted that the ever present Gary Johnson would be a factor in the Obama-Romney race four years ago....does ANYONE remember him making even a hint of difference? Anyone? Buehler? http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/12/gary-johnson-could-catch-presidential-race-by-surprise.html

This guy's specialty appears to be "Riling." He's got himself a big old spoon, and he likes to stir that pot!



I'm not going to lose sleep over his pronouncements. It seems like his stock in trade is finding out what a subset of people want/NEED to hear, and then writing an article that will make them want to click on it, read his soothing words, and feel better. I'll bet Karl Rove loved his cheery Romney reports too.


When Obama is able to endorse, and gets out on the campaign trail, all bets are off and it's game over. And no supers are going to flip--hell, the overwhelming majority of Sanders' peers--the people he worked with, day in, day out, for TEN long years, have said "Pfffffft. NO. Hell NO." If he can't get his own co-workers to back him, how's he going to get all those people his Brigade called up/emailed and threatened to suddenly think he's a good pick? I suspect many of them would rather set themselves on fire than flip to BS.


Anyway, I don't Douglas Schoen is very good at his job. He's always a day late and a dollar short.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:22 AM

19. Please stop doing this.

This hurts the Democratic Party and our front runner. Please stop quoting RW sites, this a 2nd for you tonight. Please stop. You deleted the last one when you realized it was RW. Stop!

Me. I have no children of my own, yet I have many nieces, nephews and now their sweet children that I adore. I do want Trump. He will destroy us far worse than Bush ever did. I do not wish this on the children that I love.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:29 AM

20. The author of the piece was Clinton's adviser and pollster for Clinton's entire presidency. (nt)

 

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Response to w4rma (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:25 AM

38. Dick Morris used to be a Clinton adviser too

 

Here's some more info about Schoen:

Pollster Doug Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat.” He loosely identifies himself as a Dem, but as someone who’s actively hostile towards Dems and the party’s agenda, Schoen is really only popular as a personality in GOP media. Fox News gets to tout its “balance” by inviting him on the air — Republicans who hate Democrats are joined by Democrats who hate Democrats.

....

After Schoen’s incessant condemnations of Democrats, and praise for right-wing Tea Party activists, his credibility has crumbled.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/doug_schoen_isnt_helping_his_r032892.php#

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Response to oberliner (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:13 AM

48. Sounds like an HRC DUer I know of.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:52 AM

21. If she gets the nomination you will have a President Trump.

She won't win the general with her major trust problems that just keep getting worse. Wake up!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:20 AM

26. Doug Schoen is not a RW source. He was a Clinton advisor,

both to Bill and to Hillary. Please see my link to his bio in wiki (in this thread). That's why this post should remain, and why it is a particularly interesting OP.

I don't object to RW sources when the link is merely informative, as with some of the posts about the Judicial Watch lawsuit, for reference to documents that are in the public record, and information that may affect the FBI investigation. We DO need to know what's going on. I hope you would agree. I don't understand efforts to make DU merely a propaganda site, and not an informative site. And if you don't know what ammunition Trump is going to use against Clinton, if she's the nominee, then you won't make a good advocate for her. Sanders doesn't use this kind of ammunition (the email server scandal, the John Kerry State Department OIG report). He specifically disavowed doing so. He's focused on the issues that directly impact peoples' lives. But Trump IS NOT FOCUSED ON those issues. He's a public policy idiot! So what is he going to use? Clinton supporters will need to know chapter and verse of what Clinton did, what laws some people think she broke and so on. Because you're going to be hearing about it 24/7 for a very long time.

Extending this "head in the sand" attitude to a Clinton advisor--Schoen--just because he says she may not be the nominee, is absurdly "head in the sand."

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:26 AM

39. He is a RW source. Dick Morris used to be a Clinton advisor too.

 

Pollster Doug Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat.” He loosely identifies himself as a Dem, but as someone who’s actively hostile towards Dems and the party’s agenda, Schoen is really only popular as a personality in GOP media. Fox News gets to tout its “balance” by inviting him on the air — Republicans who hate Democrats are joined by Democrats who hate Democrats.

...

After Schoen’s incessant condemnations of Democrats, and praise for right-wing Tea Party activists, his credibility has crumbled.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/doug_schoen_isnt_helping_his_r032892.php#

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Response to oberliner (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:57 AM

41. Is it an odd pattern, that Clinton advisors turn into rightwing detractors?

Wonder how that works.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:00 AM

42. There have definitely been some unsavory characters

 

No argument here on that score.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:44 AM

63. She will, too.

She'll send our kids to war and strip them of their Social Security with wide support of Third Way Dems and Republicans.

Both she and Trump are HORRIBLE for the Middle Class.

Cut me quick or cut me slow - it still hurts.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:03 AM

22. Whatever you think of Doug Schoen...

...and he was a Clinton operative for many years (see my comment above and the wiki cite), he makes an interesting point--one I've been thinking about, too---in the quoted part of the article, above. (I can't access the rest of the article. Anybody want to summarize it for me?)

California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders, and the experience in recent open primaries has been that the Vermont senator tends to underperform in pre-election surveys and over-perform on primary and caucus days, thanks to the participation of new registrants and young voters. --from the OP


Sanders tends to underperform in pre-election polls because (in my view) pollsters are not adequately covering new voters and young voters, and then he seems to overperform when it comes to the actual voting. It's gotten so, whenever I see a poll about Sanders, I automatically add about 10 pts, without thinking about it, because he so often gets more votes in caucuses and primaries--sometimes a lot more--than is predicted.

Schoen also says "California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders." I'm a native Californian, been here a lo-o-o-ong time, 71 years, and active in Democratic politics since I was 16. California has registered TWO MILLION new voters as of the reg deadline of May 23. Most of these are young voters, most registered Democratic. Also, Sanders has been extremely energetic in traveling up and down this big state and is drawing thousands of people to rallies everywhere he goes. The enthusiasm is palpable.

He just tied Clinton (coming from way behind) in recent polls, and, to me, this means he's going to win California by at least 10% and probably much more, given those registration figures. And I'll tell you this about Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein--and our whole roster of corporate Democrats: Californians are far more progressive than our leadership, and chafe under our party leadership over their acceptance of corporate rule, and, in the case of Feinstein, corporate-warmonger rule. California voters are perfectly capable of rejecting these leaders' Clinton endorsements. We don't have party bosses here. We are an eclectic and ever-changing population, with constant immigration from other places, and a natural rebellious instinct. And we also have a long history of populism that I would say is, at long last, resurgent. We smashed the Railroad "robber barons" long ago, and created the most progressive government in the country. And we may be about to do that again, for the nation as a whole.

The handwriting is on the wall: Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Alaska, Colorado...next California. The renewal of our democracy starts here in the west, as it did once before.

Schoen may be a political hack, but even political hacks can be right every once in a while. And I think this may be his one good shot at it. I think he's right about California and right about the polls underestimating Sanders, and why. TWO MILLION new voters, most of them young, most of them registering Democratic--and most of them probably missed by the pollsters.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:08 AM

24. So what? He could win California by 20% and still not have a prayer at being nominated.

(He is not going to come close to winning California by 20%, by the way. The polls have been pretty correct on average this season. You should also ask what Washington, Hawaii, Alaska, and Colorado have in common, that California does not.)

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:33 AM

30. The polls have been spot-on. Especially the exit polls! Can't wait to see the California exit polls.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:16 AM

25. No surprise that right-wing media is cheering for Bernie.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:39 AM

31. How does a Clinton operative (Schoen) "cheer for Bernie" by saying...

...Clinton may not be the nominee?

Whatever you think of Schoen, he is NOT a RW source. He worked on campaigns for both Clintons, for many years.

WSJ sucks, it's true (myself, I call them the "Wall Street Urinal" but Murdoch didn't write this, as far as we know. Murdoch editors may have their own reasons for publishing it, but Schoen wrote it. It's his byline. And he's a long time Clinton political operative.

And, as a matter of fact, it IS a surprise, coming from him. Please get informed! I'm so tired of Clinton supporters who don't know anything, don't research, don't think, can't argue from an informed viewpoint, and post these repetitive, one-liner "talking point" knifes-in-the-back as if they were meaningful thoughts.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:27 AM

40. He is not a Clinton operative, he is a "Fox News Democrat"

 

Who appears in print in Newsmax (a vile far RW source) and on the Glenn Beck show.

Along with being a regular contributor to the WSJ and has a residency on Fox News

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Response to YouDig (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:14 PM

67. They cheer the loudest for him when he can't win, and yes, as a Bernie supporter,

 

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I'm saying they don't think he can win. They just want to bloody Hillary a little for the GE. They don't actually want to go toe to toe with Sanders, because his hands aren't tied behind his back on matters of government and big money collusion like Hillary's are(I'm making believe that she has any interest in addressing these issues anyway), and at the end of the day the powers that be are okay with a Hillary Presidency, and they're the ones that sign the checks for the media personalities and producers.

Rest assured, when it comes down to it the media will eventually be in Trump takedown mode. They would barely have an option even if they wanted him to win because his foibles are too documented and too frequent for them to keep covered up, which would make them look like obvious shills. W was easier. His handlers just did their best to keep him from talking off script about policy, and the media never took the GOP to task for it.

If somebody else were running, then yes, 2/3's of the media would be in full Hillary take-down mode, and MSNBC and the other DNC outlets would be in full GOP candidate take-down mode, and at the end of the day, the top .01 percent would have big fat grins on their faces no matter who wins, because the house always does.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:20 AM

27. FOX HATE NEWS and WALLY WINGNUT print news

are both owned by Australian Rupert Murdoch

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:30 PM

69. Rupert who??

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #69)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:27 PM

71. Yes that's him Rupert Murdoch. Wingnut extraordinaire

And I see HRC took a pic with him. Good for her. She understands sometimes you have to hang out with the trash

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:30 AM

28. Why do people post articles by right-wingers writing in right-wing news sources?

 

Douglas Schoen is a political analyst for Fox News and a columnist for Newsmax. And this article is from the Wall Street Journal.

It is strange how frequently these right-wing sources are posted at DU these days.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:42 AM

32. Strange, indeed, that anyone would post a CLINTON OPERATIVE's article at DU!

Don't Clinton supporters READ? Did you read this thread? Do you know who Doug Schoen is?

Jeez.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:21 AM

36. Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat"

 

Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat.” He loosely identifies himself as a Dem, but as someone who’s actively hostile towards Dems and the party’s agenda, Schoen is really only popular as a personality in GOP media. Fox News gets to tout its “balance” by inviting him on the air — Republicans who hate Democrats are joined by Democrats who hate Democrats.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/doug_schoen_isnt_helping_his_r032892.php#

From the same article

After Schoen’s incessant condemnations of Democrats, and praise for right-wing Tea Party activists, his credibility has crumbled.

(That was 2011)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:48 AM

33. GO BERNIE!

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:24 AM

51. Sanders GONE

Tic....tic.....tuesday.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:51 AM

34. Stew all the other states

Last point wins

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:20 AM

35. Notice the Wall Street Journal longing for a Bernie Sanders victory

 

Now why would the WSJ want to have a its sworn enemy, Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton for the democratic nomination???

These are things the berners should ask themselves but of course they won't.

They are just thrilled to death the the WSJ and fox news and most hardcore right wing haters all hope Sanders beats Hillary. They except the right wing love without question.

DUH

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:04 AM

43. "DUH" is a perfect summary of your post

 

Bernie sworn enemy of WSJ? Source? WSJ is not Wall Street.


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Response to jack_krass (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:23 AM

59. Oh ok

 

The Wall Street Journal doesn't represent Wall Street, gee thanks for clearing that up.

Who knew the WSJ were a bunch of leftist socialist revolutionaries?

I learn the darnest stuff from Sanders fans!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:08 AM

45. Share the part of the article that says Biden could replace her

with Warren on his arm (VP).

If that coup were to be attempted then you can bet that Bernie's
supporters would stand by him and Warren would be revealed
to be an establishment wonk (stepping all over our democracy and
participating in the charade).

According to Schoen, a loss for Clinton (in California) would not only demonstrate her weakness as a national candidate, but could also turn the tide of opinion in the embattled Democratic National Convention and among wavering “superdelegates” — party bigwigs with an independent vote.

Specifically, Schoen argues, Sanders could seize the opportunity to change the convention rules to force superdelegates to cast their ballot for whichever candidate won their state. (In many states, Sanders won delegates at the ballot box, only to lose to Clinton overall because of her superdelegate lead.)

In addition, he says, Vice President Joe Biden may be eager to enter the fray.

Schoen writes:

A Sanders win in California would powerfully underscore Mrs. Clinton’s weakness as a candidate in the general election. Democratic superdelegates—chosen by the party establishment and overwhelmingly backing Mrs. Clinton, 543-44—would seriously question whether they should continue to stand behind her candidacy.

There is every reason to believe that at the convention Mr. Sanders will offer a rules change requiring superdelegates to vote for the candidate who won their state’s primary or caucus. A vote on that proposed change would almost certainly occur—and it would function as a referendum on the Clinton candidacy. If Mr. Sanders wins California, Montana and North Dakota on Tuesday and stays competitive in New Jersey, he could well be within 200 pledged delegates of Mrs. Clinton, making a vote in favor of the rules change on superdelegates more likely…

Mr. Biden would be cast as the white knight rescuing the party, and the nation, from a possible Trump presidency. To win over Sanders supporters, he would likely choose as his running mate someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren who is respected by the party’s left wing.

In addition, Schoen writes, Clinton faces increasing pressure from the FBI investigation into her personal e-mail server and apparent conflicts of interest involving her family foundation and her performance as Secretary of State.

Schoen is a Fox News contributor, and has worked for the Clintons in the past.

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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:29 AM

53. Wow...thanks for the info. And he's still got a job?

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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:02 AM

56. Yet another example of the ongoing interventionist policy that Clinton

continued in Venezuela through out her term as SoS - tried damn hard to discredit Maduro, and looks like Kerry has taken up the gauntlet. This surprises you that Schoen was involved in this kind of vote interference?

Editing to add a reference: http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/11733 This is from last year. Read the whole article to get an idea of her support for interference.

In other comments, Clinton waded into the contentious murder of opposition parliamentary candidate Luis Manuel Diaz who was shot at a political event last week.

Opposition spokespeople immediately moved to blame the death on Chavista groups, but information since released by authorities suggests that the murder was related to turf wars and unsettled scores between rival organised criminal groups.

Diaz himself had spent three years in prison awaiting trial for his connection to a double homicide and had received a series of death threats since he was temporarily released.

“I am outraged by the cold-blooded assassination of Luis Manuel Diaz on stage at a rally last week,” stated Clinton.


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As former Secretary of State for the Obama administration between 2009-2013, Clinton’s tenure coincided with an increase in funding for political opposition groups in Venezuela from institutions such as the National Endowment for Democracy– which in return receives an annual appropriation from US Congress through the State Department.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:35 AM

57. I didn't say I liked Schoen. And I did know about his escapade in Venezuela.

I'm a frequent blogger in the DU Latin America forum. I figured at the time that it was just more Clintonism (because of Schoen's association with the Clintons). What I heard next was that Penn and Berland had kicked Schoen out, because of Schoen's disreputable behavior in the Venezuela election.

This STILL doesn't mean that he doesn't have a good point about California and the impact of a Sanders win in California. He does. And I was surprised that he wrote it--since he was a Clinton operative for many years--and surprised that I agreed with him on anything.

I'm not endorsing him, nor the Wall Street Urinal, nor Murdoch, nor Faux News! Jeez.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:44 AM

58. Shoen bad, Clinton good. Therefore don't listen. Lalalalalala

I'm not familiar with Shoen's work. I just get a little ticked off when someone's (his) actions are attributed to the enemy camp, when equally damaging actions come from the top of their own.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:43 AM

61. If that's what you call familiarity, yes, I am. I am also familiar with the crystal city on the moon

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:09 AM

72. #FAIL nt

 

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Response to Derdog (Reply #72)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:19 AM

73. Member since..... today. Bye troll n/t

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:15 AM

76. The Wall Street Journal LOL.

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #76)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:20 AM

77. I wonder why the anti-Hillary crowd never asks themselves...

if Hillary is so corporate-friendly and in the back pocket of Goldman Sachs, why is the Wall Street Journal always attacking her? Logic, it fails them.

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