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Woman with classified info on her basement server decides (Original Post) Press Virginia Jun 2016 OP
IS that the same woman who ..... Uben Jun 2016 #1
Yup Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #2
You think she could have stopped them from buying Chinese imports, lol? bettyellen Jun 2016 #63
Yeah, also the same woman that voted for the Iraq War Broward Jun 2016 #7
Wrong! That lady is not going to be the next presiden of the USA. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #25
like my friend says... artyteacher Jun 2016 #27
I, and millions of others, never believed Bush. dchill Jun 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #32
And you probably think... dchill Jun 2016 #33
You are fucking disgusting. frylock Jun 2016 #50
...This is the second time I've ever been out and out fucking disgusted by a poster here. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #53
She practically admitted... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #43
This is digusting and an affront to victims of rape. frylock Jun 2016 #49
Yes...this venal incompetent might well be president. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #35
It's the same woman who blames Edward Snowden for outing the snooping on Americans by the NSA. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #54
THIS Is The SAME Woman Who Has A Veracity/Character Issue! NOT Good! CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #3
This is so painfully MFM008 Jun 2016 #4
This Whole Speech Thing Is Nothing More Than Another "Shiny Object" To DISTRACT The Public From The CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #5
^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ Period. End of sentence. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #26
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #65
+1000000000 azmom Jun 2016 #71
Foreign policy is one of her strong points, especially against Trump, and also obviously Bernie. YouDig Jun 2016 #6
wow. that's just a flat out lie. Exilednight Jun 2016 #8
Retroactively classified, sure. And there is some gray area, sometimes the same document YouDig Jun 2016 #9
thanks for admitting you lied. Exilednight Jun 2016 #10
You guys are getting really desperate. 6 more days! YouDig Jun 2016 #11
He didn't lie. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #18
either she did or she didn't send classified information. we now know she did. Exilednight Jun 2016 #37
The facts are in dispute DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #38
it's been established that material had its classification header Exilednight Jun 2016 #40
There is no evidence it was sent but I will be courteous and not call you a liar. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #41
"Mrs. Clinton said Sunday that the request to her staffer"... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #46
she had a responsibility, and she failed in it. Exilednight Jun 2016 #42
That the woman who edited the President of Brazil out of Downwinder Jun 2016 #12
She did that? I hadn't heard that one. Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #13
Hillary Clinton’s Memoir Deletions, in Detail Downwinder Jun 2016 #14
Of course it wasn't marked classified - it bypassed the government check! Plus she clearly asked on DebDoo Jun 2016 #20
She's the Secretary of State, she has the authority to classify and declassify, YouDig Jun 2016 #21
Since she had the power to classify emails she should also have the judgement to know what is DebDoo Jun 2016 #22
Now you're just flailing in desperation. YouDig Jun 2016 #23
Nope, you're projecting DebDoo Jun 2016 #24
IF ITS STATE DEPARTMENT CLASSIFIED, that's probably true Bob41213 Jun 2016 #34
How do you know she had that authority?n/t dgibby Jun 2016 #59
I wonder if it ever occurred to her minions... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #44
Do you also think her email server caused the Japanese tsunami? Hey, you never know. YouDig Jun 2016 #45
I think it is highly unlikely her server could have caused a tsunami... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #47
When a subpoena or NSL comes to a public server, you are not notified. Downwinder Jun 2016 #48
So you are saying... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #57
I don't hate Hillary but I think she is about as dumb as Nixon... Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #16
Yeah, she's really good at being responsible for thousands of deaths notadmblnd Jun 2016 #56
12 hidden replies. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #15
Am I on your ignore list, bro? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #19
Sorry about your fear of women MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #17
Please tell Hill to stop... she's killng me here. yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #28
Totally unqualified, totally disqualified. dchill Jun 2016 #30
It is damning to her claim of being strong on national security. Will it keep her B Calm Jun 2016 #31
One doesn't often see such an outright display of arrogance. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #36
There will be no Q&A. frylock Jun 2016 #55
That's right, I forgot. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #61
What a horrible JOKE... AzDar Jun 2016 #39
What is she going to propose? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #51
Its okay, see Press Virginia Jun 2016 #66
You forget-it was retro-actively classified. riversedge Jun 2016 #52
keep hope alive Press Virginia Jun 2016 #60
How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk elleng Jun 2016 #58
to make national security a campaign issue "against a man". NCTraveler Jun 2016 #62
It wouldn't matter who it was against. She's got some issues, right now, Press Virginia Jun 2016 #64
She is the national security giant in the field. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #67
of course she is...I mean, who else stores classified information on their basement server Press Virginia Jun 2016 #68
Tis a big world. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #69
Trump is a clown. But they'll both get us into a shooting conflict Press Virginia Jun 2016 #70
Only Hill supporters could turn gender into something totally boring senz Jun 2016 #72

Uben

(7,719 posts)
1. IS that the same woman who .....
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jun 2016

...was Secretary of State, first lady, and senator of New York, and the next president of the U.S.A.? Yeah....seriously!

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
2. Yup
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:37 AM
Jun 2016

Its also the same woman whu thought invading iraq was a good idea, and spent a few years on walmarts board of directors and was silent as they fought unions and imported more and more crap from China.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
63. You think she could have stopped them from buying Chinese imports, lol?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

Do you have any idea of how shit works?

artyteacher

(598 posts)
27. like my friend says...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jun 2016

Blaming Hillary for Iraq is like blaming a rape victim. Bush lied to all of us and most people bought it. And Colin Powell who was coerced to pass on the lied was also a S o S, who used something worse than a private email server. He used Yahoo and aol mail, and it seems he deleted tons of emails.

Response to dchill (Reply #29)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
53. ...This is the second time I've ever been out and out fucking disgusted by a poster here.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

And the first time involved anti-Semitism.

/bye.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
43. She practically admitted...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jun 2016

...that she gave Bush support for the Iraq invasion in return for his largesse to NYC after 9/11. That statement of hers undermines her claim that she didn't know / was lied to by Bush et al regarding Iraq.

But not only did she vote for the invasion, she gave a fairly long and full-throated speech in support of the invasion. That is why I hold her more responsible than some others who voted for it -- but I do hold all of them, every last single one, partially responsible. Especially the Democrats who voted for it. SHAME on all of them.

There was at least a reasonable argument to be made for invading Afghanistan, although Bush managed to make a cock-up of that anyway. But Iraq, that was a pack of lies, and many in government and out of it knew so at the time.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
49. This is digusting and an affront to victims of rape.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary wasn't raped when she voted for Bush's IWR out of political expediency.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
35. Yes...this venal incompetent might well be president.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jun 2016

That's not exactly cause for celebration, although the putridity of her opponent ameliorates the horror of four more years of coproratocracy just a bit. I guess.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
54. It's the same woman who blames Edward Snowden for outing the snooping on Americans by the NSA.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

How hypocritical can you get?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
3. THIS Is The SAME Woman Who Has A Veracity/Character Issue! NOT Good!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:56 AM
Jun 2016

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
5. This Whole Speech Thing Is Nothing More Than Another "Shiny Object" To DISTRACT The Public From The
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:01 AM
Jun 2016
Growing fact that her poor judgement and inability to conform to basic rules as a government employee disqualify her for the office that she has sought for a... LIFETIME!

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
6. Foreign policy is one of her strong points, especially against Trump, and also obviously Bernie.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:11 AM
Jun 2016

Only people who truly hate her care about her having non-classified information in a not-illegal server that wasn't hacked. Notice that none of them care that Colin Powell had the same kind of non-classified information on an AOL account.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
8. wow. that's just a flat out lie.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:17 AM
Jun 2016

Many of her emails have been classified, some of which had their classification removed, and then later restored.

The official Count n statement about hacking states that the server wasn't hacked, THAT SHE KNOWS OF. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of cyber security.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
9. Retroactively classified, sure. And there is some gray area, sometimes the same document
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:21 AM
Jun 2016

will be classified by one agency and not by another. Sometimes a document will be classified at the same time that it appears in the press.

But nothing marked classified at the time was on her server. Same as Colin Powell, some emails were later determined to be classified. It's a bureaucratic problem, not a security problem.

As far as the hacking, its looking like the private server kept her info safer than it would have been in a government server. The state department actually did get hacked. Even classified documents got leaked. But nothing from her server.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,540 posts)
18. He didn't lie.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:06 AM
Jun 2016
thanks for admitting you lied.





Calling folks liars on an anonymous medium displays an abundance of pusillanimity and a paucity of courage.



Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
37. either she did or she didn't send classified information. we now know she did.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jun 2016

When it was classified is irrelevant since some of it was classified but stripped of its heading and then found to be classified at a later date.

He claims she didn't, yet facts say otherwise.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,540 posts)
38. The facts are in dispute
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jun 2016

godhumor who has actually worked with classified data explains it better than I ever could.

It begins with Post #34:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251984914#post34


The facts certainly aren't clear enough to call someone a liar.

If i said I had the looks of David Beckham and the intelligence of Stephen Hawking I would be lying.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
40. it's been established that material had its classification header
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

Removed and sent via email. That is not in dispute. What's in dispute I'd who made that decision. The SoS can not make that decision unilaterally.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,540 posts)
41. There is no evidence it was sent but I will be courteous and not call you a liar.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016

There is no evidence it was sent but I will be courteous and not call you a liar. This is fairly arcane stuff and it's easy to get lost in the weeds:


A State Department official said Sunday it has found no indication that the document in question was sent to Mrs. Clinton using nonsecure fax or email, although “there was a secure fax transmission to Secretary Clinton shortly after this email exchange.”


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/01/10/hillary-clinton-says-nonpaper-email-a-nonissue/



If you read the entire blog there is an innocent explanation.



ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
46. "Mrs. Clinton said Sunday that the request to her staffer"...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jun 2016

..."didn’t amount to an order to violate laws on handling classified material, and said the email was never sent in any case."

If she knows for a fact that the information was not classified, why did she feel compelled to add that it was never sent?

Little things like this are, shall we say, suggestive.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
42. she had a responsibility, and she failed in it.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016
When her use of a private system was first revealed, she told reporters, “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email.” At other points, she has said that none of the emails was “marked classified” at the time she sent or received them — a point she reiterated Friday in a CNBC interview.

But government rules require senders of classified information to properly mark it. And the inspector general for the intelligence community has said that some of Clinton’s correspondence contained classified material when it was sent — even if it was not labeled.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-on-her-private-server-wrote-104-emails-the-government-says-are-classified/2016/03/05/11e2ee06-dbd6-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html

It was her job to make sound decisions, which she failed to do.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
20. Of course it wasn't marked classified - it bypassed the government check! Plus she clearly asked on
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jun 2016

At least one occasion to strip the classified header so that she could send it non-securely.


And please, stop trying to speak for everyone. Some of us do care. And we care a lot! This is a serious problem and it's scary that your blind devotion can't/won't admit it.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
21. She's the Secretary of State, she has the authority to classify and declassify,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:21 AM
Jun 2016

and she has the authority to determine that transmitting a message insecurely is more important than waiting for the secure system to come back online.

The cluelessness of people going after her for that is something to behold.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
22. Since she had the power to classify emails she should also have the judgement to know what is
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jun 2016

Classified. And the judgement to know unplugging a server for a couple minutes isn't a security fix

Bob41213

(491 posts)
34. IF ITS STATE DEPARTMENT CLASSIFIED, that's probably true
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jun 2016

If it's not her classified material, she has no authority. And obviously she had no authority over the classified info the OIG reported on because he unequivocally said that was classified, it was classified at the time it was sent, and it's still classified.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
44. I wonder if it ever occurred to her minions...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jun 2016

...that her non secure server (especially for the first 2+ months she used it) may have been used as a conduit to hack the government servers?

You do not know that "nothing marked classified at the time was on her server", that is just what she and her team claim.

The fact that she now appears unwilling to talk to the FBI is telling, to say the least.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
47. I think it is highly unlikely her server could have caused a tsunami...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016

...whereas an improperly secured server that communicated on a daily basis with people using government DOS servers might be an avenue of attack for a hacker.

Of course I don't know, but if people with zero apparent knowledge about computer security will insist on claiming that government servers are less secure than Clinton's server, I will counter with my own hypotheticals, TYVM.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
48. When a subpoena or NSL comes to a public server, you are not notified.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jun 2016

It would not be necessary for a Government server.

If it came to your private server, you would know.

So, yes, a private server could be more secure.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
57. So you are saying...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

...that her server was more secure from government oversight?

I guess that may be true. But that, of course, says nothing about the kind of security that protects against hackers.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
16. I don't hate Hillary but I think she is about as dumb as Nixon...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:01 AM
Jun 2016

...and his deciding to tape every word he said in the Oval Office.

I'll admit there's an argument for having a snake as President to survive in the vicious snakepit that Washington DC has become, if I thought the snake could do us some little bit of good--say, $12/hr for the peasants--but you've got to be a very, very clever snake, and know how to wipe your server completely. For that incompetence alone, she shouldn't be commander-in-chief of anything dangerous.

And do please notice that I am "one of them" who doesn't give a crap what Colin Powell did. He's not asking for my vote!

I will not vote for a dumb snake. A smart one...???...I could be persuaded.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
56. Yeah, she's really good at being responsible for thousands of deaths
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

Syria, Libya, Honduras. Thousands dead as a result of her foreign policy works.

You must be so proud.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
31. It is damning to her claim of being strong on national security. Will it keep her
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jun 2016

from winning the nomination at the convention, sadly no.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
36. One doesn't often see such an outright display of arrogance.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jun 2016

I wonder if any reporters will have the guts to call her on it? Probably not.

I would imagine that is seen as a big FU to those in the agencies investigating her.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
55. There will be no Q&A.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary only does interviews over the phone now so we can't see her tells when she lies.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
51. What is she going to propose?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jun 2016

Leaving entire banks of Government servers wide open so any foreign enemy can access them at will?

With leaders like her, who need fucking foreign enemies?

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
66. Its okay, see
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jun 2016

because we can always retroactively classify the information later.

They'll never expect it

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
60. keep hope alive
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jun 2016

and forget about the stuff that wasn't retroactively classified to the date it was sent.....because of a review that didn't happen when it was supposed to.
Just forget about IG's request to the FBI being based on items that were classified at the time and remained classified when he reviewed them.
Forget the 22 e-mails that were too secret to release a single sentence....because that SURELY had nothing sensitive in it until someone other than HRC looked at it.

elleng

(127,174 posts)
58. How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

'Throughout her career she has displayed instincts
on foreign policy that are more aggressive than
those of President Obama — and most Democrats.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?_r=0

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
62. to make national security a campaign issue "against a man".
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

There. Fixed it for you. Kept it in line with how you started the sentence.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
64. It wouldn't matter who it was against. She's got some issues, right now,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

when it comes to credibility on National Security.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
67. She is the national security giant in the field.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jun 2016

You really think people are going to give Trump the edge in national security overall? Wow. That is a statement but it says nothing about Clinton.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
68. of course she is...I mean, who else stores classified information on their basement server
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

if not a national security giant.

Look at all the great work she did with Libya....I mean wow. That's some National Security bona fides right there.


 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
70. Trump is a clown. But they'll both get us into a shooting conflict
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

she can't help it and he's too stupid to stop talking.

The only difference will be Nukes will be off the table with one of them.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
72. Only Hill supporters could turn gender into something totally boring
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

just stamp gender-related words all over every Hill-related discussion.

Y'all have set feminism back to its pre-70s levels.

Bleah.

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