Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee

[LWolf]

Since I read somewhere that OPs on the front page of GDP indicate whether or not it's "over:"

There is now more than a theoretical chance that Hillary Clinton may not be the Democratic nominee for president.

How could that happen, given that her nomination has been considered a sure thing by virtually everyone in the media and in the party itself? Consider the possibilities.

The inevitability behind Mrs. Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen.

Sanders supporters, if there has ever been a call to action, this is it.

With Mrs. Clinton reportedly soon to be interviewed by the FBI, suggesting that the investigation is winding up, a definitive ruling by the attorney general could be issued before the July 25 Democratic convention in Philadelphia. Given the inspector general’s report, a clean bill of health from the Justice Department is unlikely.

Finally, with Mrs. Clinton’s negative rating nearly as high as Donald Trump’s, and with voters not trusting her by a ratio of 4 to 1, Democrats face an unnerving possibility. Only a month or two ago, they were relishing the prospect of a chaotic Republican convention, with a floor fight and antiestablishment rebellion in the air. Now the messy, disastrous convention could be their own.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898

[Matt_in_STL]

1. As a Sanders supporter, I am content to let it all play out.

Nothing we do is going to change the minds of the players in this and, if anything, too many people go about it the wrong way and antagonize the situation. I'd like to see the FBI complete their investigation and present what they have. While I don't think there will be an indictment at all, I am betting the investigation itself is going to be pretty damning (as was the State IG report) and just provide the Republicans with an incredible amount of ammo. Her failure to interview with the FBI will already be fodder for weeks.

I am good with letting the process play out and if the superdelegates feel that Hillary is too damaged by the reports and scandals, they'll make a move. If they decide to keep her after all that, the outcome of the election is on them.

[madokie]

14. Hillary needs to do what is right

but as her history will show she very seldom does that. She needs to back away and go count her ill gotten riches in private. Leave the rest of the world alone.
It would be ok if she had a cogent vision for leading the USA but all she has is an unhealthy thirst for being the first woman president, period.

I remember years ago when I used to chase after the ole big mouth bass. As soon as I had one hooked you could just cut my line as I was finished. I'd done what I had set out to do which was to entice the fish to bite my presentation. Getting it into the boat just to release it wasn't any part of the thrill for me. Well thats how I see the pResidency for Hillary. She just wants the tittle and has no idea as to what to do with it once she gets it. The last person we need as President today is a Hillary Rodham Clinton. We gawdamn sure don't need slick willie back any where near the reigns of power. Contrary to what I used to think he was not a good President, in fact it was he who furthered the administration of st Ronnie more so than bush1.

[Matt_in_STL]

15. Agreed 100%

As we can see, Hillary won't provide information in very valid investigations into national security conducted by the State IG and the FBI. This just shows that she will do what she wants and better not be questioned about it. Her foreign policy is more of the same on that front. She'll do what she wants and everyone just better accept it.

At this point, the superdelegates are going to do what they are going to do, and Bernie supporters won't be able to sway them if they are in the Clinton camp. If they choose to stick with her, knowing the baggage and scandal she carries now, that's their decision. They, and they alone, will hold responsibility for any negative consequences of that decision.

[madokie]

17. True

trouble is they, (SD',) will ride off into the sunset with their ill gotten riches along with the rest of the war mongers and thieves. Never to look back to see the carnage left in their path.
My hope is there are enough of the SD's who give a shit to make sure this all doesn't happen

Hillary will never be President, its as simple as that.

ETA:
She'll rue the day she is elected if by chance she happens to be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. "She'll rue the day she is elected if by chance she happens to be."

She is one of the most emotionally strong public figures I have ever seen. What doesn't kill her only makes her stronger. She reminds me of my mom. My old man was an amateur boxer, veteran, and stevedore. But when it came to emotional strength and courage my mom was a rock.

[840high]

79. .that^

[NCTraveler]

2. I think millions of votes and hundreds of delegates...

Are the point.

[grossproffit]

4. Only Bernie's count.

[LexVegas]

3. ....

[Trust Buster]

5. How many identical threads spewing this Hail Mary theory do we need on DU ?

Is this what desperation looks like ?

[LWolf]

6. At least as many as we need telling us that it's "over." nt

[Trust Buster]

10. The threads announcing "It's over" are not Hail Mary theories. It's a fact.....LOL BIG DIFFERENCE

[dchill]

67. Wow. When your bubble bursts, it's gonna hurt!

[DrDan]

84. gonna hurt again - a painful repeat of Tuesday night

[Amimnoch]

99. not feeling the pain yet.

Tuesday kind of made the walls of that bubble pretty thick.

[840high]

80. So don't read them.

[Trust Buster]

81. I can bide my time until June 16.........LOL

[MohRokTah]

7. June 7

It's over June 7.

June 16

A certain segment of DU will be required to either STFU or GTFO.

[IdaBriggs]

25. Skinner says the rules about not being assholes will kick back in --

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I'm looking forward to seeing how some people handle that requirement.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

63. thank goddess! this place has become toxic since they changed all the rules

And the alert attacks got worse.

I wonder tho, when they hit that button does everyone with too many hides get reblocked?
Does the slate get wiped clean and we all start over?
I've had 3 hides in the past 90 days, but only deserved 1.. what happens to those who have been alert stalked and by the old quota would be banned?

[Scuba]

9. "... voters not trusting her by a ratio of 4 to 1 ..." Her supporters have a reply for this fact ..

[Trust Buster]

12. Yes, they must trust Sanders even less. That's why Hillary received more votes than him.

Any more questions with obvious answers ?

[Smarmie Doofus]

20. She received more votes because she's a celebrity, got more media coverage....

.... and a lot of people want to see a woman president.

Period.

[Trust Buster]

23. Yeah, that must be it.......LOL....they're just not as wise as college kids....LOL

[Betty Karlson]

31. millennial bashing? really? You guys couldn't care aless about the future if you tried. eom

[Trust Buster]

36. I was responding to post #20. Go read it. That poster defined Hillary supporters with the

broadest of brushes. Damn right I responded in kind. Read all posts. Don't just cherry pick.

[Smarmie Doofus]

40. No, the "broadest of brushes" would be something like....

.... "because she's not Jewish". Which describes the motivation of a segment ( I think relatively small; but nonetheless very *real* chunk of Clinton's portion of the DEM primary electorate. As well as on this board. "Hymietown" anti-Semites,essentially)

But I stand by the big factors I identified in #20: celebrity/ media coverage/ gender. I'd add: unyielding support from the national party apparatus. ( A double edge sword there, however. I.E. That cuts both ways.)

And, hey... you should TALK to some millennials before you jump to conclusions about how "wise" they are.

[Trust Buster]

44. Youth lack wisdom. I didn't just invent that idea myself. And, post #20 WAS CHARACTERIZING

Hillary supporters with a broad brush.

[Betty Karlson]

49. Repeating a debunked argument doesn't somehow validate it. eom

[Trust Buster]

52. You debunked nothing. Post #20 painted Hillary supporters with a broad brush.

Pointing out that Sanders has targeted college campuses is a fact.

[Betty Karlson]

60. Now who is cherry-picking? It's Smarmie Doofus who debunked your nonsense.

And no matter how many times you accuse post # 20 of a broad-brush, your own even broader brush still stands: you were millennial-bashing. It's attitudes like yours that will imperil the future of the Democratic Party.

[Trust Buster]

62. Pointing out that the young lack a depth of wisdom is pointing out a fact of human nature.

[Betty Karlson]

70. again: repeating the same argument over and over again doesn't make it any more convincing.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

64. it all depends on how much shit life has thrown at them. i know many middle aged

without a bit of 'wisdom' and a few kids who have more than me.

But please, continue to label people as you wish.

[Betty Karlson]

41. No. Millennial-bashing is wrong, even in context.

If you feel that someone is sinking to new lows, don't sink to their level. If you do sink to that level, expect to be called out on it.

It's attitudes like yours which may doom the Democratic ticket in November. You don't get to take broad-brushed swipes at a whole generation and still receive their votes. If everyone under 35 feels like you have abondoned them, no amount of "I was just respondng in kind" will bring back their volunteer work, their votes, or their party memebreship.

[Trust Buster]

46. I stand behind my opinion that youth lack a depth of experience and wisdom.

That's always been the case. Nature demands it.

[Betty Karlson]

48. "Oooh those young whippersnappers, what do they know?"

Persisting in your folly is not an argument - it's an arrogance.

[Trust Buster]

51. You ignore the realities of human nature.

[Betty Karlson]

59. The reality is that 2/3 of millennials is completely done with 20th century politics.

Who are ignoring that reality? Clinton should not be nominated. Doing so imperils the GE and the future of the Democratic Party. The Superdelegates should do their bloody jobs and prevent the disaster that feels entitled to happen.

[Trust Buster]

61. The majority of registered Democrats do not agree with your opinion. That's called democracy.

[Betty Karlson]

69. The majority of registered Democrats account for about 15 % of all registered voters.

In a democracy, we call that a very small minority.

[Trust Buster]

71. In a Democratic primary we call that a majority. A majority your candidate failed to earn

[Betty Karlson]

73. I thought your side was thinking about the GE these days?

Color me surprised at the level of short-term thinking.

[justiceischeap]

89. I'd just like to say that you're discussing the results of the Dem Primary

So the majority of voters in the Dem Primary do, in fact, matter.

As far as your concern for millennials goes, I've seen more than a few posts in DU indicating that Hillary only has elderly and retired supporters. I'm happy to hear mid-40s is now considered elderly among millennials.

[Different Drummer]

72. Agreed. n/t

[LWolf]

18. That is going to be

the lasting image in my head whenever I remember Clinton supporters.

[upaloopa]

27. That group looks like the ones thinking Hillary will not win the nomination next week.

[pinebox]

28. This isn't about her winning next week, it's about the FBI investigation

[SidDithers]

11. Sure, if you believe what a Fox News analyst, and NewsMax columnist...

writing in the Wall Street Journal, has to say.



Sid

[Dem2]

13. I saw a Breitbart version on this on reddit just now

I see what the right is doing - feeding stories that gullible "progressives" will repost in hopes of discouraging Hillary supporters as much as possible. They're evil geniuses and those carrying out their plans are dreamers.

[gordianot]

22. The right wing has enough information for endless discouragement.

Democrats handed them the ammunition out of sheer arrogance and greed.

[Dem2]

32. Ahh, I see we have built in justification to ally with the enemy

Sorry, you aren't fooling me.

[gordianot]

35. There would be no need to fool you when you're already there.

[Dem2]

38. I don't despise either candidate, I like them both.

Keep tying yourself into that Gordian Knot to justify these right-wing attacks.

[gordianot]

50. I do have a problem when you needlessly make yourself vulnerable to right wing attacks.

Then have the audacity to complain about right wing attacks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. Patronizing your opponents has worked so well for you and your associates so so far.

SMH

[gordianot]

93. Whether something works or does not does not really matter.

Your or my opinions do not matter. We are all being taken for a ride. I am going to win my free lunch from a (now longer term) Hillary supporter she is going to be the nominee no matter what and will stay in the race no matter what happens.

The funniest part is even I am going to vote for Hillary. Democratic since birth is a good description of me. In my 63 years there are 2 Democrats I despise one was Warren Hearnes guess the other one(s)? The online DU version of Hillary supporters are fascinating where the real life versions are far more rational. The ability of Democrats to alienate other life long is something I would never have predicted. Donald Trump who may be the worst politician to ever stand for high office is predictable in a Republican sort of way. Keep up the rationalization of Bernie Brothers, entitled millennials, BoB's, and now my favorite nothing burgers. When it comes right down to it I do not care who is the Democratic nominee I am along for the ride.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. Trump has made me forget, at least for the moment, how bad his GOP predecessors were.

At least they had the respect, for the most part, to save their bigotry for private consumption.

[gordianot]

97. Trump is vicious he means his insults without remorse.

Once he gets off the "Mexican Judge" his goal will be the destruction and prosecution of Hillary Clinton win or lose. Fascism via the Republican Party has come to America.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. I like Hillary's chances in a street fight.

[gordianot]

100. Street fight is right.

Trump is going broke, the real financial assets of the Clinton's are greater than Trump. This is a real fight.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. I know Trump's net worth is exaggerated ,likely by a lot, but I doubt the Clintons are richer.

[gordianot]

102. Hillary's speaking fees total are around 21 million.

Says nothing about investments etc..

Trump has more assets but billions in loans. He is basically a care taker self promoter who does not make that much. Someone likes him or he would have been out in the street years ago. I have always wondered about the Russian mob bet he does get along with Putin.

[gordianot]

104. I hit the wrong link.

In real fungible ready cash assets Clintons probably are wealthier. Watch Trump go after Clinton wealth and ability to make money but the old glass house analogy applies.

[BillZBubb]

33. You have a very poor understanding of the situation. The gullible people believe Hillary.

The right isn't feeding stories that the left doesn't already know about. In some cases the right is behind the curve.

Hillary supporters should be discouraged BY HILLARY. She's lied to you and let you down, but still you blindly march in step.

[Dem2]

37. Spin and spin

It's become obvious to all that this is excuse making for a very simple motivation - promote MY candidate at ANY cost.

[BillZBubb]

39. Project much? You know Hillary has been constantly lying about the server, correct?

You obviously aren't stupid, so you know that. If someone lies to you about such things, is it not reasonable to suspect they may be lying about other things?

Now, allow yourself to consider that there are facts that support a belief that she has been lying about other things just as vigorously.

I have a long list of reasons why I could never support Hillary, but at the moment the potential of an FBI recommendation for her indictment is at the top of the list. How could it not be?

That's not spin, it's reality.

[Dem2]

66. I lied about deleting emails after leaving my last job.

Put me in cuffs, sir.

Bernie doesn't give a crap about her emails. I don't give a crap about the emails. This is why I like Bernie.

[Demsrule86]

75. I know they repost

slanderous shit by right wing hate sites.

[Dem2]

76. WU

[pdsimdars]

16. There are at least 22 emails they have identified that were at the TOP level of the Top Secret

How did they get on her private, in home, non government, non secure server?
You can't just email them because if you tried to email classification to a non government address it sets off an alert.
That information had to be taken off of the secure government server and put onto Hillary's non government server.
And people think this is really no big deal? Ask someone in the intelligence community.

[gordianot]

19. This entire mess is the fault of the Democratic Party.

The DNC was bought and paid for. Money is obviously flowing well and the for sale sign needs to be taken down for the Democratic Party. Money just sucked all of the ambition of the Democratic Party. Thank you Citizens United and Supreme Court.

[reformist2]

21. Why is this happening now??? I just got my pro-Clinton lobotomy!

[gordianot]

24. We are about to be thrown out to fend for ourselves on the mean streets.

The paper work needs to be completed before you get kicked out.

[BootinUp]

26. That wsj article is a joke. lol.

[BillZBubb]

29. Hillary's lawyer, Kendall, just ran a "she doesn't have to testify" claim up the flagpole.

If she refuses to testify to the FBI, she should be rejected by the Super Delegates. It's that simple. They should make that clear to her in private.

They don't have to support Bernie, but they should not back Hillary. Refusal to testify will be as bad for her and the party as a recommendation for indictment. If the Super Delegates back her then, the results will be on them.

[justiceischeap]

91. You don't "testify" with the FBI

you're interviewed. Places you do testify are before Congress or a committee, in court or at church but not the FBI.

[Betty Karlson]

30. K&R for (uncomfortable) truth

[JudyM]

34. Re: call to action... Bernie supporters *outside* Cali who want to help him w/Cali, pm me!

I'm working with the campaign and anyone who is willing to commit 5 or more hours from your home, on your own schedule, you can be very effective in helping him by joining this team.

Rallying time!

[valerief]

42. We can only hope Bernie is the nominee. nt

[oberliner]

43. The Wall Street Journal is so popular here today

Strange.

[WhiteTara]

55. Rupert Murdock has shown himself to be quite

the journalist.

[seabeyond]

45. Seriously? The only way the loser can gain a win, and look at those jumping on board.

[workinclasszero]

47. You wish...Hillary beat Bernie's ass anyway you look at it

[tonyt53]

53. But you left out the line where the vote would have changed if somebody hadn't cheated

Bernie-ites are certain of it!

[lunamagica]

57. +1 this needs to be posted every time they came up with their pretzel logic. #FeelTheMath

[workinclasszero]

58. Everytime till the 15th when the board turns democratic once more

Berners hate facts.

[Stuckinthebush]

85. That day can't come fast enough

This forum is a looney bin

[WhiteTara]

54. And the sun might not come up and we might all

be dead in the morning.

[NorthCarolina]

56. She might be the nominee by hook or by crook, but all the polling data,

and probably even the magic 8 ball, predict that Hillary will never be 45.

[workinclasszero]

68. Hey I might win the lottery too!!

Wee!!!

[Thinkingabout]

74. We know the DNC nominee will not be the candidate with fewer delegates,

The candidate with fewer delegates is Sanders. Problem solved.

[Danika]

77. Rip off that Bandaid, Mrs. C

I believe that in the end, this election cycle will be one for the history books. I would not want to be in Mrs. Clinton's shoes right now. IMO, she needs to hold a media/news conference and rip off that bandaid. Her delay is feeding the declining voter confidence.

[840high]

82. She needs to stop lying. Immediately.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. Seven more days and then DU's Fifth Column will belong to the ash heap of internet history.

[democrattotheend]

78. Why did this have to all come out now?

Why not six months ago, when the majority of Democratic voters still had a meaningful choice?

[Derdog]

83. #threadfail

[Trajan]

103. #brockemployeefail

#immediateclicksky

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Schoen's already insipid screed was written before Clinton walloped Sanders in the Golden State

You like apples?

Out of the ten most populous states in the Union Clinton beat Sanders in nine of them, eight of them by double digits!*


How do you like them apples?


You still like apples?

Hillary Clinton's nearly 4,000, 000* vote lead was built on the votes, labor, and support of people of color and women over forty. The Vermont independent isn't wresting the nomination from them. We won't let him.


How do you like them apples?


*estimates from memory.

[Vinca]

92. It's a valid point, but it's useless to chatter about. Just let it play out.

Anything can happen, but roiling the waters in the interim is a waste of time and energy.

[oberliner]

95. So good of the Wall Street Journal to be looking out for Democrats!

It's amazing how people these right-wing sources are among some folks here as long as they criticize Hillary.

[NCTraveler]

96. Oops. nt.