2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton’s Emails Now Might Finally Take Her Down
Note the author's mini-bio before responding with the jerking knee:
Dan Metcalfe is a registered Democrat who has long said that he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November if she escapes indictment and manages to become the Democratic presidential nominee. He served as Director of the Justice Departments Office of Information and Privacy for more than 25 years, during which time he handled information-disclosure policy issues on the dozens of Clinton Administration scandals that arose within public view, as well as two that did not. Since retiring in 2007, he has taught secrecy law at American Universitys Washington College of Law.
To us, knowing that there are no applicable penalties within the FRA (or in the FOIA, for that matter, which Ms. Clinton also blatantly circumvented), the primary significance of the IG report is that it so flatly and persuasively belies nearly every public defense that she has uttered on the matter, from her extraordinary news conference at the United Nations on March 10 of last year to even her initial stunned reactions to the IG report itself this past week.
No, her self-serving email set-up was not allowed under the State Departments rules. No, she was not permitted to use a personal email system exclusively as she did. No, what she did was hardly just a matter of her personal convenience. No, there is no evidence that any State Department attorney (other than perhaps Secretary Clinton herself) ever gave legal approval to any part of her special email system. No, everything she did was not fully above board or in compliance with the letter and spirit of the rules, far from it. Yes, she was indeed required by the FRA to maintain all official emails in an official system for proper review, delineation, and retention upon her departure. Yes, her private server equipment was in fact the subject of multiple attempted intrusion attempts (i.e., hacks), including by foreign nations. The list goes on and on. (Note that this does not even include Ms. Clintons many serious misstatements about her handling of classified or potentially classified information.)
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If youre a do-or-die Clinton supporter on the other hand, you look at the IG report as a damning blow to your candidate, as you must, but you console yourself with the fact that it is in effect a civil law indictment of her, not a criminal law one. After all, only the Department of Justice can take that latter step and it is clear to you that Ms. Clinton had no intent to break any criminal law so shes still got that going for her, right? But what if youre a more mainstream member of the Democratic Party, one who views him- or herself as a keeper of the flame and cares above all else about a Democratic victory in November both nationwide and locally, up and down the ticket, so to speak. You, my friend, are simply scared to death, terrified even, for reasons that are truly unprecedented.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)P.S. No one goes to jail for violating FOIA.
15 more days until those who don't prefer Clinton to Trump leave us Democrats alone
dchill
(38,464 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)Where I'm at...nothing but pouring down rain for 3 days....I need some sun!!!!!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)FBaggins
(26,727 posts)It takes some serious spin to turn him into a Reaganite. I suppose he registered as a Democrat so that he could cover it up?
15 more days until those who don't prefer Clinton to Trump leave us Democrats alone
Did Skinner say anything about sticking our heads in the sand at that point too? Threads like this don't go away during the general election... because they're real sources that we'll have to deal with - not RW rags shilling for Trump. Posts that say "I knew that $&%&$& was going to cost us the election - I'm voting for Trump!" will get blocked (as they should always have been) , but not threads like this.
P.S. No one goes to jail for violating FOIA.
Seems like he's got your number, eh?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The fact that he refers to this as "civil law indictment" shows he's an utter hack.
Those trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee will not be welcome here in 15 days.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)We don't get to wish away bad news. We can call him a hack, but his resume says exactly the opposite. He put it in quotes and said "in effect" - it's clear what he meant and that he doesn't think there is such a thing. Entertaining that he has you pegged so clearly.
Those trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee will not be welcome here in 15 days.
Sigh. But what about all the loyal, longtime DUer Democrats who you imagine are "trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee" and fail to pass your purity test? It's clear that there are lots of those on DU. Skinner isn't going to hamstring DUs finances by banning the overwhelming majority of DUers just because they preferred the more progressive candidate.
For the record... I've made clear that I'll be voting for Clinton in November (absent a Deus-ex-Machina moment) and was long-ago banned from the Sanders group for failing to drink the cool aid that Bernie wasn't really a socialist.
Her email "scandal" will certainly be an ongoing issue throughout the campaign that Democrats will have to deal with. We won't be hiding those threads if they're from legitimate news sources. We'll no doubt hide the ones from new posters who are suddenly "concerned" that something Hannity said was going to hurt us... but the issue doesn't go away just because her strongest supporters want to play all three monkeys at once.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Or criticizing him for Jeremiah Wright after the primaries were over?
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)There was no primary/general season nonsense on DU in 2012.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)then we have our nominee. At that point, no pissing in the pool.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)"No pissing in the pool" does not mean that we don't discuss the news and what impact it could have on the race or how to deal with it.
We would not be helping our candidate win the election by pretending that some issues don't exist.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)report as a "civil law indictment" has an explicitly hostile agenda.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)And he didn't do that. Did you even read what you're replying to? He was referring to her "do or die" supporters who have to deal with the IG report by concentrating on the fact that it isn't a criminal indictment - as you just did. Nowhere does he pretend that there is such a thing as a civil indictment.
Such articles aren't going to magically go away in two weeks. Posters who are still trying to kill her candidacy will be gone (and good riddance), but mainstream news doesn't cease to exist just because it's inconvenient... just as Bernie didn't cease to be a socialist just because the Bernie group decided to ban anyone who admitted it.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Eyes blurred with tears perhaps.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)There's no need to make it personal like that (on either side really).
Implying that Clinton supporters know (or should know) that she's a crook and are broken up about having to stick with her is just as inappropriate as taunting Sanders supporters (the clear majority on DU from what I've seen) when he eventually has to step aside.
We can't hide bad news just because we don't want to deal with it... but we also can't continue to snipe at each other. A national version of that nonsense is more likely to give us President Trump than the email scandal.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)charges that were never legitimately proven to be true.
He probably didn't have enough money and/or power.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Was he even criticized by anyone for it? No?
Pray harder the Indictment Fairy can't hear you.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That suggests she is held to a higher standard than you or I.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)No matter how often you repeat that lie, it still will never be true.
After she is indicted, I wonder what your position should be? Should she continue to run, so she can pardon herself?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)yet the Cult of Hillary still clings to Her Majesty's lie. I guess if Hillary said it, it must be true, or at least that's how they see the world.
I guess if Hillary gets tossed in the slammer they'll think she's just visiting...
Bottom line, she broke the law. Now it's just a matter of whether she'll be indicted, impeached, or both...
Linking fairy pictures doesn't alter the reality that Hillary has self-inflicted political wounds that will end her career in shame.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I expect no less from the Sanders campaign and his desperate followers
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)That one of a very ugly guy with a girl's clothes, unflattering camera angle and even uglier wings ... does not do any "fairy " any favors...especially the subject at hand.
The others look more appropriate. JMO.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hopin the FBI will save them because America rejected their fantasy land BS.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)sweet.
IGNORE.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If you can still see this
frylock
(34,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Try and keep up ffs.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...a Bush II appointee would let Mr. Colin Powell get away with it (that is, if your allegation is in fact true)?
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:30 AM - Edit history (1)
I'm well-stocked with popcorn. And as a real-time follower of Watergate, I know how to wait for the last shoe to drop. It might be an Imelda-Marcos-closetful of shoes this time.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)All the ROFLMAO's in the world are not going to make THIS go away.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Trump is right there with them too, praying to the Indictment Fairy.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Normally, I'd feel some degree of sympathy, but I'm going really enjoy the show.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)We are fucked. And no, this piece, far from being "Pro Sanders" comes out and says that Sanders is also a bad choice to run against Trump...
This is getting very, very scary.
As I have said, a train wreck. In slow motion. And denial or ear-plugging is not going to help.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)now and June 16.