2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSomeone today was sneering at Clinton's support from business.
I asked what was printed on that person's paycheck, making the assumption that there is a paycheck.
Bottom line in today's USA is that almost everyone's paycheck is either from or directly affected by corporate interests. It is a fact that the corporate world is alarmed at the prospect of Donald Trump as President. Trump is little more than a bankruptor of businesses. That's actually how he makes his money. That's pretty scary if you're a corporate entity.
We're all connected to the corporate world. I work for myself, but the person who signs my checks has clients that are incorporated. They're mostly, but not all, smaller corporations, but corporations nonetheless. I write copy for business websites for a living these days. So, every check I deposit comes from some business, and most businesses are corporations.
Donald Trump, in his rabid, maniacal whimsy, cares nothing about actual companies, except as targets for his looting. Of course corporations don't want him injecting insanity into global and local business. He's dangerous.
So, I ask everyone to look at their paycheck. What's printed a the top of that check? How is it related to the corporate world. While it's true that large corporations tend to be amoral, but not all corporations are. If you work for a living, there's corporate money in your paycheck. That's pretty much a given. Even if you work for a small business, it's customers probably work for a company with Inc. in it's name.
Our economy is corporate. It's our economic system. If the corporate world is afraid of Donald Trump, you should be afraid, too. That paycheck is evanescent, really. It could go away. Donald Trump would be glad to take it from you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)think
(11,641 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)think
(11,641 posts)for rigging markets or not?
Were laws changed for the banks that became felons or not?
http://fortune.com/2016/04/11/goldman-sachs-doj-settlement/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-rigging-lawsuit-idUSKCN0WU1E8
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-hud-big-banks_us_55c4f2f2e4b0923c12bcc4b1
At least 7 of these banks have given Hillary big pay checks for speeches for a combined total of millions of dollars.
Ignore corruption all you want but it's real and it's a problem.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Line hate America. Sanders has been a rabid socialist ranting on corporations and American success for 40 years....and he and his supporters want an idealogical purity test...this ain't Russia and ain't Europe....democrats are a big tent people...we embrace ALL...
think
(11,641 posts)And no. Being against corruption isn't an extreme point of view. That's just your opinion which seems to be based on right wing talking points.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Bernie did nothing to stop it while he was in congress
think
(11,641 posts)cash from them. And here you are making excuses for it....
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Take all the time you need
think
(11,641 posts)I could care less about filibusters. Bernie has supported sound policies to help end Wall Street corruption.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
Hillary won't even admit corruption exists on Wall Street:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/hillary-the-banksters-com_b_9164930.html
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)And did NOTHING...No filibusters...but blah blah blah placates his supporters....the man is a farce...a con man...who has run $200 million dollar primary and he is not smart enough and his people he hired aren't smart enough to google the rules of the state primaries..the most incompetent campaign I have seen....not smart enough to google
No way he can be president...
think
(11,641 posts)Bernie supports breaking up criminal banks.
Hillary works for them and gets paid millions to give token speeches.
Hillary's chief economic adviser, Gary Gensler, a former Goldman Sachs partner wrote and promoted the CFMA which deregulated derivatives and helped lead to the last economic crash. He did so as part of Bill Clinton's cabinet. And Hillary blamed Bernie for it:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34497-the-most-disingenuous-attack-on-bernie-yet
Eric Holder chose to be soft on bank crime. Care to comment on that?
Or you just going make this all about Bernie when he's actually trying to stop these banks from continuing to rig markets, screw their customers and lie to congress, etc etc...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Go figure.
Glamrock
(11,781 posts)A Glen Beck acolyte made this same argument to me 5 years ago....
It'd be deja vu if you'd have followed up with, "If we raise taxes on the wealthy, they'll just move somewhere else!"
azmom
(5,208 posts)Democrats. It's really unbelievable.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)SpareribSP
(325 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Self-policing. Write their own laws. Call their own fouls.
Disaster
Octafish
(55,745 posts)chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Except the part you left out, the part where her little corporate homies are predatory capitalists and fracking polluters.
And arms manufacturers.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Concerning them.....she cannot as she is beholden to them.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Her supporters are corporate hacks.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)the concept that corporate America needs and deserves protection.
Corporate America as you were so fondly going on about has crushed the lives and dreams of untold thousands of people in the last 30 years.
The last 15 have been particularly brutal as wages are moving backwards for most regular people.
Glad you got yours though and a big FU for the backhanded "making the assumption that there is a paycheck".
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillspeak
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)msongs
(67,193 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)..the undue influence that many of them have over how my nation is governed.
I work for two sole-proprietorship small business "S-corps" each with a single location. But of course both of those businesses are reliant on larger corporations to conduct their business. They're also in direct competition with (much, much) larger corporations.
So while I technically work for a couple corporations, I consider them more as entrepeneurships*. These businesses that I work for do not have the resources (i.e. money) to hire people to lobby even our local government, much less our state or national government. We can't afford to finance the election of legislators so we can get sweet-heart deals on property taxes and then just up and move to a different location when the tax holiday ends. We can't afford to put money into shadowy groups who can then use that money to influence voters.
And we definitely can't afford to pay ~$250,000 for a speech from someone who is very likely to be running for president in the next election, but is taking a convenient break from politics before doing so.
*As a funny aside, auto-correct tried to replace entrepeneurships with "entrepreneur's hips".