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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:59 PM Jun 2016

Someone today was sneering at Clinton's support from business.

I asked what was printed on that person's paycheck, making the assumption that there is a paycheck.

Bottom line in today's USA is that almost everyone's paycheck is either from or directly affected by corporate interests. It is a fact that the corporate world is alarmed at the prospect of Donald Trump as President. Trump is little more than a bankruptor of businesses. That's actually how he makes his money. That's pretty scary if you're a corporate entity.

We're all connected to the corporate world. I work for myself, but the person who signs my checks has clients that are incorporated. They're mostly, but not all, smaller corporations, but corporations nonetheless. I write copy for business websites for a living these days. So, every check I deposit comes from some business, and most businesses are corporations.

Donald Trump, in his rabid, maniacal whimsy, cares nothing about actual companies, except as targets for his looting. Of course corporations don't want him injecting insanity into global and local business. He's dangerous.

So, I ask everyone to look at their paycheck. What's printed a the top of that check? How is it related to the corporate world. While it's true that large corporations tend to be amoral, but not all corporations are. If you work for a living, there's corporate money in your paycheck. That's pretty much a given. Even if you work for a small business, it's customers probably work for a company with Inc. in it's name.

Our economy is corporate. It's our economic system. If the corporate world is afraid of Donald Trump, you should be afraid, too. That paycheck is evanescent, really. It could go away. Donald Trump would be glad to take it from you.

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Someone today was sneering at Clinton's support from business. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2016 OP
always remember Corporations are people too - SCOTUS said so azurnoir Jun 2016 #1
It's the corruption. Can you say that word? think Jun 2016 #2
Uh, regardless of what you think, most are not corrupt. Weird how a good explanation passes by you. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #6
Did Goldman Sachs just admit to defrauding thousands clients or not? Are 14 TBTF banks being sued think Jun 2016 #11
The leftist extremist hate business...hate capitalism and bottom beachbumbob Jun 2016 #3
No. Some don't like it when Goldman Sachs & the other TBTF banks rig markets and no one goes to jail think Jun 2016 #4
That's SEC and DOJ issues... beachbumbob Jun 2016 #10
Hillary would appoint the people who oversee those banks if president. Yet she took millions in think Jun 2016 #12
tell me all the filibusters Bernie has done on wallstreet issues beachbumbob Jun 2016 #13
Bernie speaks out plenty about Wall Street issues. Hillary takes the money and opposes Glass Steagal think Jun 2016 #16
Sanders had opportunities to ACTUALLY do something as a senator beachbumbob Jun 2016 #18
LOL. Hillary takes millions from the same banks rigging markets and Bernie's the conman. Good grief think Jun 2016 #27
Many of them like to link to RT (Russia Today) network videos. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #29
Jesus christ Glamrock Jun 2016 #5
And they accuse us Bernie supporters of not being azmom Jun 2016 #28
You just stepped on some toes. Good for you, from one small business owner to another. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #7
My paycheck is something I earn, not something I'm a slave to. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #8
And your point is...? nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #20
So there should be no separation between Corporations and the Federal Government? GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #9
Fear for your evanescent paycheck. Nice. Really. Octafish Jun 2016 #14
Republican Underground is thataway ---> chascarrillo Jun 2016 #15
"We'll close this factory if you unionize!" CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #17
Yeah, almost all true cliffordu Jun 2016 #19
And you actually believe that they will all go away if Bernie is elected? For real? nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #22
Nope. Bernie can open the dialogue needed cliffordu Jun 2016 #30
It's about time Democrats reached out to the bysiness community. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #21
This was the standard GOP argument against OWS AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #23
I am the subject of this little missive and what I was sneering at was libtodeath Jun 2016 #24
Note the OP avoided using the word 'corporate' instead using 'business' AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #25
Here but not in the thread he was so proud of that he had to start this one. libtodeath Jun 2016 #26
bernie can get us all jobs at Lockheed Martin. He spends a ton on them every budget after all nt msongs Jun 2016 #31
I do not hate corporations as a concept, but I do hate.. aidbo Jun 2016 #32
Great response. /nt think Jun 2016 #33
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
6. Uh, regardless of what you think, most are not corrupt. Weird how a good explanation passes by you.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016
 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. Did Goldman Sachs just admit to defrauding thousands clients or not? Are 14 TBTF banks being sued
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

for rigging markets or not?

Were laws changed for the banks that became felons or not?

http://fortune.com/2016/04/11/goldman-sachs-doj-settlement/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-rigging-lawsuit-idUSKCN0WU1E8

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-hud-big-banks_us_55c4f2f2e4b0923c12bcc4b1

At least 7 of these banks have given Hillary big pay checks for speeches for a combined total of millions of dollars.

Ignore corruption all you want but it's real and it's a problem.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. The leftist extremist hate business...hate capitalism and bottom
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

Line hate America. Sanders has been a rabid socialist ranting on corporations and American success for 40 years....and he and his supporters want an idealogical purity test...this ain't Russia and ain't Europe....democrats are a big tent people...we embrace ALL...

 

think

(11,641 posts)
4. No. Some don't like it when Goldman Sachs & the other TBTF banks rig markets and no one goes to jail
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

And no. Being against corruption isn't an extreme point of view. That's just your opinion which seems to be based on right wing talking points.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
12. Hillary would appoint the people who oversee those banks if president. Yet she took millions in
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

cash from them. And here you are making excuses for it....

 

think

(11,641 posts)
16. Bernie speaks out plenty about Wall Street issues. Hillary takes the money and opposes Glass Steagal
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

I could care less about filibusters. Bernie has supported sound policies to help end Wall Street corruption.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/

Hillary won't even admit corruption exists on Wall Street:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/hillary-the-banksters-com_b_9164930.html

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
18. Sanders had opportunities to ACTUALLY do something as a senator
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

And did NOTHING...No filibusters...but blah blah blah placates his supporters....the man is a farce...a con man...who has run $200 million dollar primary and he is not smart enough and his people he hired aren't smart enough to google the rules of the state primaries..the most incompetent campaign I have seen....not smart enough to google


No way he can be president...

 

think

(11,641 posts)
27. LOL. Hillary takes millions from the same banks rigging markets and Bernie's the conman. Good grief
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie supports breaking up criminal banks.

Hillary works for them and gets paid millions to give token speeches.

Hillary's chief economic adviser, Gary Gensler, a former Goldman Sachs partner wrote and promoted the CFMA which deregulated derivatives and helped lead to the last economic crash. He did so as part of Bill Clinton's cabinet. And Hillary blamed Bernie for it:

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34497-the-most-disingenuous-attack-on-bernie-yet

Eric Holder chose to be soft on bank crime. Care to comment on that?

Or you just going make this all about Bernie when he's actually trying to stop these banks from continuing to rig markets, screw their customers and lie to congress, etc etc...




Glamrock

(11,781 posts)
5. Jesus christ
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016


A Glen Beck acolyte made this same argument to me 5 years ago....

It'd be deja vu if you'd have followed up with, "If we raise taxes on the wealthy, they'll just move somewhere else!"

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
9. So there should be no separation between Corporations and the Federal Government?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

Self-policing. Write their own laws. Call their own fouls.

Disaster


cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
19. Yeah, almost all true
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

Except the part you left out, the part where her little corporate homies are predatory capitalists and fracking polluters.

And arms manufacturers.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
30. Nope. Bernie can open the dialogue needed
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jun 2016

Concerning them.....she cannot as she is beholden to them.

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
24. I am the subject of this little missive and what I was sneering at was
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

the concept that corporate America needs and deserves protection.

Corporate America as you were so fondly going on about has crushed the lives and dreams of untold thousands of people in the last 30 years.
The last 15 have been particularly brutal as wages are moving backwards for most regular people.

Glad you got yours though and a big FU for the backhanded "making the assumption that there is a paycheck".

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
32. I do not hate corporations as a concept, but I do hate..
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jun 2016

..the undue influence that many of them have over how my nation is governed.

I work for two sole-proprietorship small business "S-corps" each with a single location. But of course both of those businesses are reliant on larger corporations to conduct their business. They're also in direct competition with (much, much) larger corporations.

So while I technically work for a couple corporations, I consider them more as entrepeneurships*. These businesses that I work for do not have the resources (i.e. money) to hire people to lobby even our local government, much less our state or national government. We can't afford to finance the election of legislators so we can get sweet-heart deals on property taxes and then just up and move to a different location when the tax holiday ends. We can't afford to put money into shadowy groups who can then use that money to influence voters.

And we definitely can't afford to pay ~$250,000 for a speech from someone who is very likely to be running for president in the next election, but is taking a convenient break from politics before doing so.

*As a funny aside, auto-correct tried to replace entrepeneurships with "entrepreneur's hips".

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