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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:22 PM

If, and that is a big if, HRC should be replaced by

another democrat, then why not Kerry?
I read a lot about Biden, and now O'Malley,
but neither one has been nominated before.

Kerry, I fear , is not very well liked by the
Clinton clan, but he has proven himself as
an absolut superior SoS with success in
many areas. He is trusted by Obama, and
knows the country just as well as anyone.

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Reply If, and that is a big if, HRC should be replaced by (Original post)
sadoldgirl Jun 2016 OP
guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1
sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #3
guillaumeb Jun 2016 #7
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #27
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #8
roguevalley Jun 2016 #23
morningfog Jun 2016 #2
dchill Jun 2016 #5
sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #6
SFnomad Jun 2016 #10
BillZBubb Jun 2016 #14
SpareribSP Jun 2016 #4
Marr Jun 2016 #9
sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #11
grasswire Jun 2016 #15
karynnj Jun 2016 #37
Zynx Jun 2016 #13
Marr Jun 2016 #25
Zynx Jun 2016 #39
Zynx Jun 2016 #12
grasswire Jun 2016 #16
Zynx Jun 2016 #18
sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #17
Zynx Jun 2016 #19
onecaliberal Jun 2016 #20
brooklynite Jun 2016 #21
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #29
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #33
bigwillq Jun 2016 #22
bjo59 Jun 2016 #24
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #26
bravenak Jun 2016 #28
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #30
bravenak Jun 2016 #31
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #32
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #34
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #35
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #36
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #38
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #40
marions ghost Jun 2016 #42
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #43
madokie Jun 2016 #41

Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:24 PM

1. And why would a replacement candidate be needed?

This post seems to be a solution looking for a problem.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:27 PM

3. No, this suggestion has come up many times,

in case of a very serious effect of the FBI investigation.

My main question is : why then Biden or O'Malley,
when Kerry has more than the necessary
credentials.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:30 PM

7. Of the three names you mentioned, only O'Malley

actually campaigned. What makes anyone think that any of the three would do as well as the two current candidates?

As to the ongoing FBI investigation, if anything happens it does not appear that it will happen soon.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:06 AM

27. the indictment fairy is not coming.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:30 PM

8. Come on.

 

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:08 PM

23. no one who didn't campaign has the right to just

Step in and the people won't allow it. More estab. BS if they try

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:25 PM

2. Why not that dude who has gotten over 10 million votes?

 

You know, that other dude who out raised the Hillary machine throughout the primary?

You know that guy, what's his name? Why not him?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:28 PM

5. Barney... Bennie... No, that's not it.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:30 PM

6. Oh, dear, I do agree,but fear TPTB will

try everything and anything to stop him.

My question was only raised with respect to
Biden or O'Malley as the other establishment
choice.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:36 PM

10. Actually, thru Apr 30th, Secretary Clinton and BS have nearly raised the same amount

 

at least according to filings. And now, Secretary Clinton is still bringing in the money ... BS, not so much.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:46 PM

14. Those corporations are willing to shell out millions to get their candidate elected!

Ms. Golden Sacks is the woman for them.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:27 PM

4. I don't think anyone really could replace Hillary.

It'll be madness no matter who it is. I think the best bet really is Bernie, personally. Anyone else would make the system look ridiculously broken.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:33 PM

9. He already lost a presidential election.

 

And he hasn't run in this one.

I don't see why Hillary or any of her friends should be allowed to substitute another candidate in her place, should she withdraw. There are two people running for this spot. If one drops out, it goes to the other.

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Response to Marr (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:43 PM

11. Then why is Biden mentioned all the time

in case something goes wrong?

I don't believe that HRC would give up the
place in spite of an indictment, but if so
why not a very successful SoS?

Yes, to your question about his former run;
however, remember Nixon?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:54 PM

15. I have seen some question about Kerry's health recently.

I don't remember what it was, though.

Although there are plenty of questions about Hillary's health, too.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:36 AM

37. His health appears to be enviable for someone his age

His wife's health is possibly what you have heard of. Kerry DID seriously break his leg in a bicycle accident, but he was back to heavy travel in a month.

I do not think either the Sanders people or Clinton people would be happy with him. Sanders did praise his work as secretary. Not to mention, he is still very busy as Secretary.

The Clintons never liked him, probably do not forgive him for endorsing Obama and likely blame him for not stonewalling on the email to protect her.

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Response to Marr (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:46 PM

13. Viewed differently, her voters rejected the other candidate.

Her delegates would then be trusted to choose on behalf of her voters.

Under your logic if there was a candidate with 85% of the vote and some gadfly with only 15% and the one with 85% died they would have to nominate the one with 15%. That makes no sense.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:03 AM

25. If Sanders had 15% of the vote, yeah-- it would be like that.

 

He does not. It's a close contest.

If Hillary a corrupt politician drops out of a race because they've been caught in some criminal act, it's absurd to expect their little political faction to be allowed to just insert a replacement.

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Response to Marr (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:45 AM

39. That's absurd, but I'm glad you confirmed the absurdity of your thinking.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:44 PM

12. Biden is the obvious choice if it comes down to that.

He's been tested nationally and will continue Obama's legacy.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:55 PM

16. well, maybe a good portion of Democratic voters...

...don't place a lot of importance on Obama's legacy, as demonstrated by their vote for a "revolution."

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Response to grasswire (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:57 PM

18. More support continuity.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:57 PM

17. Yet, he has lost 2 times already and never

made it to the nomination.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:00 PM

19. He has been vice president on a winning national ticket twice.

Plus trial heats back when he was discussed showed he was the strongest of the three.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:01 PM

20. None of those people received even one vote this primary season. It would NOT

Be appropriate in any way shape or form.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:02 PM

21. I've been told he's another DLC warmonger who's vote for the IWR was unforgivable...

...perhaps I got that wrong...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:21 AM

29. nope, you're 100% right on that. Good thinking!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:08 AM

33. He's tan, rested and ready

The best way I can think of to get Sanders supporters to give up on the election and stay home would be to parachute Biden into the nomination, nothing would more clearly and obviously make Bernie's point about the corruption of the establishment.

So I suspect it's a done deal...

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:06 PM

22. No to Kerry.

 

He already ran and had his chance. And he lost. To Bush.

No, thanks.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

24. I guess if you like things the way they are then you'd hope that someone who hadn't run in the

primaries would be shoved ahead of the only candidate who promises to work overtime to reverse the corporate takeover of our government and the candidate who has been awarded 46% of the pledged delegates thus far in the primary season. If the party powers can just pick anyone they want to run for president in a general election, why hold primaries at all? In fact, why hold national general elections at all? Why not let the corporations who already write our laws simply choose who they'd like to live in the White House? (I'm sure it'll come to that eventually anyway.) That kind of "democracy" would be so much better for the "little people" who could then be left to post their selfies and pictures of kittens on Facebook in peace.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:04 AM

26. It would overturn the will of the voters

and Trump would win for sure. Sorry Hillary is the nominee...geez you guys are such haters...Bernie is not worth it.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:14 AM

28. O'Malley!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:21 AM

30. The people (of Iowa) have spoken out for O'Malley!

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #30)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:25 AM

31. I really like him

 

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:56 AM

32. I think Biden is the logical choice.

I like Kerry, but I don't think they would turn to him if Biden is available.

I have a few issues with Biden, not the least of which is his track record as enthusiastic proponent of the drug war.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:19 AM

34. Yeah, the logical choice, Spock would be thrilled

I'm having trouble thinking of anything that would more perfectly make Bernie's point regarding the corruption of the establishment than parachuting Biden (or anyone else) into the nomination.

Which is why I think it's damn near certain to happen.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:22 AM

35. Like I said in the other thread, then they start to try to figure out how to spin or justify it.

But, yeah.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:27 AM

36. I've been thinking all along that the establishment would rather Trump than Sanders

Parachuting another candidate into the nomination will clinch it for me.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:42 AM

38. See, I kind of think that the robot is running around with no head, at this point.

For both parties.

I don't think there is any great plan- Hillary was the one who had the big plan, and got the decks cleared and all the party apparatus lined up--- but if it turns out she's a damaged candidate, then everyone is left standing around not knowing their lines or even what the name of the play is.

How they would explain bringing Biden in to the millions of people who have voted for Sanders is just beyond me. But I do suspect such a scenario would involve something like that.

Very weird times.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:01 AM

40. I think Boxer gave the purest indication of what the establishment thinks of Sanders

Hillary *has* to stay in until the convention else Sanders is something close to the default nominee, since that is unthinkable then a lot of behavior becomes more explicable. Remember HRCs lawyer pointed out she is not legally obligated to answer questions, that sounds like a way of stalling the investigation.

Parachute in a loser, blame the Berniebros for the loss, hunker down through four years of Trump and you're golden is what's going through some minds.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:11 AM

42. I have to agree

that some Hillary backers would rather see Trump than Bernie.

They wouldn't admit it so it's hard to quantify.

But I think it's a likely possibility.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:20 AM

43. I wonder if Deez Nuts is still available.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:11 AM

41. Where do you come off with anyone except the present 'other' candidate

who I suspect if not for shenanigans and outright stealing by the dnc/dws crew would be the front runner as I type. Yes I mean Senator Sanders. You know the guy who packs the house time after time day after day no matter where it is he is appearing, yes that guy

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