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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:57 PM

The MEN of America are poised to hand the reins of the country to an orange-coiffed, piggish man-boy

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by BooScout (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Ok, my original thread was about the general election

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027872174#post54

but it got locked and I was told to re-post it in GDP, because apparently everyone on this board has terrible reading comprehension.

So, here it is again:

And everyone knows they are stupid enough to do it.

This election is going to split the country along gender lines. And the majority of men in this country are going to vote for this idiot, this thief who doesn't pay his bills, who doesn't know anything, and who thinks he can just coast along by seat-of-his-pants answers, like a kid trying to bluff his way through a book report on a book he hasn't glanced at.

The only question is will enough women vote for Clinton, and will few enough men vote for Trump to create a big enough gap for a Democratic victory.

My gender should be ashamed of this - and if you know men in your lives who might be voting for this asshole, please do what you can to change their minds.


I was referring to this poll: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-majority-americans-dislike-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-n578926

which shows that if the election were held today, a majority of men would vote for Trump.


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Reply The MEN of America are poised to hand the reins of the country to an orange-coiffed, piggish man-boy (Original post)
ProfessorPlum Jun 2016 OP
saltpoint Jun 2016 #1
Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #2
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #4
Kentonio Jun 2016 #15
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17
Kentonio Jun 2016 #26
TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #28
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #29
Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #3
bettyellen Jun 2016 #7
moriah Jun 2016 #13
kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #5
Old Codger Jun 2016 #6
bettyellen Jun 2016 #8
moriah Jun 2016 #14
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #22
djean111 Jun 2016 #27
brooklynite Jun 2016 #9
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #10
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #23
Seeinghope Jun 2016 #11
CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #12
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #16
Vattel Jun 2016 #18
TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #19
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #24
TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #25
99Forever Jun 2016 #20
sibelian Jun 2016 #21
jkensett Jun 2016 #30

Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:59 PM

1. I wish Bobby Thomson's home run

had been mentioned.

I think that would make just about any thread more readable.

Personal opinion.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:05 PM

2. Well, I suppose you could kill them all

 

Or perhaps realize that they have their own set of issues and concerns that you could try to address in order to compete for their votes.

Nah, that's crazy talk.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:08 PM

4. Yes, many white men don't like the fact that women and racial minorities

 

are equal in status such that they compete for jobs.

Those who have privilege resent losing it. That's why they vote Republican.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:21 AM

15. Yes of course.

 

A hatred of women and racial minorities is the only possible reason a white man might have for not voting Dem. Because of course being born into outrageous levels of privilege ensures that white men across the country all live lazy, entitled lives without any of the humble financial worries that actual people face.

Am I doing this right?

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:29 AM

17. when they choose instead to vote for Trump, yes sexism and racism is a likely factor.

 

white men are the most rightwing voting race/gender demographic in the country.

Why do they vote Republican so much? Look who runs the Republican party, top to bottom--white men.

It's identity politics.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:05 AM

26. Our party has been talking the same crap about why white men keep voting Republican for decades.

 

Yes for a small minority it is indeed racism and sexism, but for a huge swathe of working class white men its purely because they don't feel represented by either party and the Republicans aren't the ones who sit and insult them regularly by calling them racists and sexists.

Why exactly do you think populist movements keep attracting that demographic? It's because they generally feel like no-one is listening to their problems and that when they try and raise their issues they're told by Dems that they're self entitled and privileged and that they should shut up while real problems are addressed.

We lose tens of millions of votes every election because of this short sighted stupidity.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:15 AM

28. +1

Glad to see another person see's what I see . This drubbing of an entire section of society is getting a little old . People are not homogenous , not even white men .

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:16 AM

29. lol, the poor oppressed white men, right up there with the war on Christmas

 

in terms of the oppression sweepstakes

white men are raised with a sense of entitlement that no other members of society do

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:06 PM

3. I will not through action or inaction, support the Trumpenfurher.

And I am a man.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:59 PM

7. I thank you- some men I know are anti-Hillary and tellingly unable to verbalize why.

 

I'll get them before November, none are stupid enough to vote for Trump at least.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:13 AM

13. Thank you.

Like #NotAllChristians, sometimes the #NotAllMen hashtag needs applied.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

5. Wouldn't be a problem if old folks (both women/men) didn't vote for Clinton

Shame that the old folks are always the ones holding back progressives.

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Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:57 PM

6. This old "folk"

 

Isn't holding any progressives back..I am 75 and all in for Bernie.. Generalizations are generally not true..Including this one

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Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:00 AM

8. If old folks didn't vote no one would, lol.

 

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Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:19 AM

14. Then get more younger people to come out, and not just for Presidential elections.

Get them to work as poll workers for their counties, as the people who have done the work for years to help us vote are getting older and the next generation has to step up.

Don't try to blame older people for the outcome of this primary just because they turned out and that's who they supported more, on average.

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Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:50 AM

22. progressive = diverse coalition != mostly any one ethnicity.

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Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:14 AM

27. I am 70. A woman. I voted for Bernie, and will be leaving the Democratic Party if Hillary is the

 

nominee. Generalizations are foolish. Shame that you use them. Cannot take anything you say seriously.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:01 AM

9. But the women are not...

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:07 AM

10. It's a shame that there's nothing, nothing at all we democrats can do to avoid this fate. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:50 AM

23. They can vote for her en masse in the general election

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:08 AM

11. You mean BOZO THE CLOWN!

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:06 AM

12. ProfessorPlum—The chart indicates a Hillary underperformance…

 

across the board (but with exception of women).

For one example, the African-American vote should not be under 90 percent for the Democratic nominee. Barack Obama won his first election by +7.26 and carried 95 percent of blacks. With re-election in 2012 by +3.86, he carried African-Americans with 93 percent of their vote nationwide.

When John Kerry lost the popular vote in 2004 by –2.46, he received 88 percent of the vote from blacks. A Republican getting at least 10 percent of the African-American vote nationwide will win a presidential election—and this was true with George W. Bush, who demonstrated this as he received 11 percent of their vote in 2004.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:24 AM

16. He's an abysmally crappy candidate, whoever we run should be able to beat him easily.

If whoever we run can't for some reason, I think that may in fact point up some deficiency with whoever it is that we run.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:30 AM

18. meh, not that much of a difference between men and women.

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:37 AM

19. So now men are the new Nader .

Adults own their own misfortunes ... unless they are politicians then it's everyone else's fault . Enough of the assertions that ALL men are the problem . Stick that far up the farside .

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Response to TheFarS1de (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:51 AM

24. correction, white men... lets all tell the truth and shame the devil

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:05 AM

25. What devil ?

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:48 AM

20. You have it exactly backwards.

The problem ISN'T crappy voters. The problem IS crappy candidates.

Given the choice between two arrogant oligarchs, both with significant legal, moral, and ethical issues, there are many of us that will not be guilt tripped into being "brought to heel" by either of them.

Nominate the wrong candidate, lose the election. That's how elections work. The blame for that loss falls on those that force the wrong candidate on the rest of us.

Beside multiple Clinton fans have told me many times, they neither needed or wanted my vote. I'm happy to oblige.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:49 AM

21. Bait for "MRA" hunting.


All candidates platform on constellations of factors, isolating a single factor and supposing its inherent monolithicity without any established relation of cause to effect isn't politics, PP, it's more like horoscope reading.

Get over your misandry, eh? It doesn't do anything.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:34 AM

30. meme to summarize the gender split

Hopefully once the primary is settled and she's the nominee, women will rally behind Hillary in more solidarity. I found this meme that captures my feeling about the "woman's card."

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